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Is This the real Deal?
MartyC:
--- Quote from: KeithyT on April 03, 2012, 10:53 AM ---Ooh nice. :coolsmiley:
I think this is where the Kuwahara frame identity gets confusing at times though.
I'd say this is a 1982 KYZ looptail cos of the serial number and it's chrome, yet it does not have the second smaller gusset hole (which the KZ-1, KZ-2 always have and KYZ usually has). It could have had the hole filled I guess(?) ready to create a looptail E.T. but then got left with chrome finish?
The only way to tell would be to compare the weight with an E.T. the half cro-moly KYZ would be lighter than the High tensile steel E.T.
There are some really interesting posts on BMXmuseum about all this (especially Gooser who has really done his research and knows his stuff)
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Wow how did you arrive at this?
--- Quote --- It could have had the hole filled I guess(?) ready to create a looptail E.T. but then got left with chrome finish?
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That has to be the most unlikely scenario ever :LolLolLolLol:
It's a KYZ which as far as I know didn't have the extra hole, that bike is almost 100% og, have a look at this ad from Jamies Kuwahara site:
KeithyT:
Yeah I've seen that ad, and yes as a newbie I didn't know if the chrome finish could be applied to a filled in hole. OK unlikely, BUT I'm sure I've read that people do get rid of the smaller hole in KYZ frames and then powder coat/paint in E.T. colours...
Perhaps I have been reading Goosers info on bmxmuseum too much. He is not UK/Europe based and the KYZ he knows had the same right hand smaller gusset hole, and this is shown on the original 1982 factory spec sheet from Kuwahara (and it was called the KE-1 which is another story and leads to even more confusion as we all call the original 1979 Kuwahara bike a KE-1).
There was one that sold on the bay recently that looked almost identical to the ad and sicura's bike above. It was a 1982 chrome looptail AND had the right hand gusset small hole. I'll link it in a mo'
EDIT: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120880557465'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
MartyC:
--- Quote from: KeithyT on April 03, 2012, 02:52 PM ---Yeah I've seen that ad, and yes as a newbie I didn't know if the chrome finish could be applied to a filled in hole. OK unlikely, BUT I'm sure I've read that people do get rid of the smaller hole in KYZ frames and then powder coat/paint in E.T. colours...
Perhaps I have been reading Goosers info on bmxmuseum too much. He is not UK/Europe based and the KYZ he knows had the same right hand smaller gusset hole, and this is shown on the original 1982 factory spec sheet from Kuwahara (and it was called the KE-1 which is another story and leads to even more confusion as we all call the original 1979 Kuwahara bike a KE-1).
There was one that sold on the bay recently that looked almost identical to the ad and sicura's bike above. It was a 1982 chrome looptail AND had the right hand gusset small hole. I'll link it in a mo'
EDIT: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120880557465'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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Yeah, deffo too much time on the consipracy site ;)
According to Jamie's site http://www.dreamgate.ne.jp/kuwahara/ that model is detailed as "An old advertisement from around 1984 out of a UK BMX magazine featuring the KYZ bike with ACS Z-Rims. The KYZ or sometimes called the KY Thrasher depending on your part of the world used the same frame as the ET bikes but in chrome and featured a chromoly front half and forks with a high-tensile steel rear frame with loop tail. The riders name is Ralph Tribe from the UK."
So you are close but I would "imagine" they just used the left side gussets on both sides for these and the ET frames and didn't weld them up or fill them with anything and for the late ones used the ones with the holes in as that may have been what they had available (this happened a lot bitd). Only the good old boys think that anything surreptitious would be done to "fake" a frame when in actual fact that rarely happens. Another reason why I stay away from that place.
KeithyT:
Cool. 8) Anyway we both agree it's a 1982 KYZ looptail.
I didn't realise the BMXmuseum was a place of such ill-repute :daumenhoch:
MartyC:
--- Quote from: KeithyT on April 03, 2012, 03:15 PM ---Cool. 8) Anyway we both agree it's a 1982 KYZ looptail.
I didn't realise the BMXmuseum was a place of such ill-repute :daumenhoch:
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Agreed ;)
It's probably not [that place] but everytime I have been on there I have seen keyboard warriors, trolls and flamers who seem to think that without having been there and seen it for themselves actually know what happened in bike shops and factories and that only their opinion is right the one. I don't like being in places where it's primarily negative so I stay away ;)
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