nipple washers yes or no on z rims

[kalex]

i'll be lacing some z rims when i can work out what length spokes to get. ( i have used the threads on here, but i did a trial run using measurements from my already laced ukai's and according to the spoke calc, my spokes are 5mm to long on front and 8mm to long on the rear). my z'ds came out 186mm f and 189mm r. as there is nothing wrong with my ukai's i may just order 194's. going to be on a 3 cross pattern.

anyway do i need to use nipple washers or not

[Dark Diggler]

What hubs are you using?

[wildon]

anyway do i need to use nipple washers or not

nah

[kalex]

What hubs are you using?

i've got a choice either sr or suzue both sets are low flange loose ball, i've tried 2 different spoke calc's and they all come out within a fraction of a mm of each other.