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a.m:
I hope Paul will make the right decision
friends say that he does not want to return my bike

YGT:

--- Quote from: Gish on December 13, 2015, 12:52 PM ---He even accused me of doing the damage myself to get money from him WTF !!!!

--- End quote ---

I am afraid, this can be quite common from dodgy sellers.
I had a similar incident a few years back where the seller made multiple mistakes, resulting in damage etc. I too was met with a barrage of false accusations and abuse.

Eventually I simply called up my credit card company and sent them the information.
They refunded the money, and the seller came crawling back with a less venomous tongue.
But got into a hissy fit when he realised he would need to both pay and arrange the return shipping.

Since paypal appear to ruled in your favour for a refund against the seller (against the sellers wishes)
Its clear a judgment has been made.

As others have stated, don't under any circumstances arrange shipment of the frame back.
If you wish for the seller to have the frame returned, inform the seller they will need to arrange for its collection via courier or shippers account number. Nothing else.

The seller will have to arrange everything, and pay for everything direct.
As any payment made to the buyer to cover the shipment could cause future problems.

Gish:
Manuel went crying to his friend today like a little French baby
So after a discussion with his friend I told him I would give him £200 or nothing simply becausè of his cheek and bad attitude on Saturday night.
Manuel morale of the story is if you play with fire you will get your fingers burnt 

a.m:

--- Quote from: YGT on December 14, 2015, 03:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gish on December 13, 2015, 12:52 PM ---He even accused me of doing the damage myself to get money from him WTF !!!!

--- End quote ---

I am afraid, this can be quite common from dodgy sellers.
I had a similar incident a few years back where the seller made multiple mistakes, resulting in damage etc. I too was met with a barrage of false accusations and abuse.

Eventually I simply called up my credit card company and sent them the information.
They refunded the money, and the seller came crawling back with a less venomous tongue.
But got into a hissy fit when he realised he would need to both pay and arrange the return shipping.

Since paypal appear to ruled in your favour for a refund against the seller (against the sellers wishes)
Its clear a judgment has been made.

As others have stated, don't under any circumstances arrange shipment of the frame back.
If you wish for the seller to have the frame returned, inform the seller they will need to arrange for its collection via courier or shippers account number. Nothing else.

The seller will have to arrange everything, and pay for everything direct.
As any payment made to the buyer to cover the shipment could cause future problems.

--- End quote ---
paypal does not give reason paul !!!!!!!!!
Paul made a false declartion to retrieve his money
he has declared paypal, someone had usurped his account

downlowmatt:
Ok this is really ugly. The history of me getting involved is as I bought a skyway TA from Manuel recently and had no problems whatsoever.... Manuel just called me via facebook as I speak French. So the situation is now as follows: Paul (Gish) has reported his card stolen to paypal (a false statement) so that paypal have now refunded him the £270 he paid for the frame. He then sent Manuel (a.m) £200. I think it is highly unfair that Manuel has been reported as a thief when Paul has used this underhand / retrospective tactic. In effect the deal is done, Paul has had his £70 refund, Manuel is blocked. You be the judge.

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