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Steve P:
Worth adding that link to your favourites . . . always comes in handy when building wheels

Cheers

Steve  :daumenhoch:

Moose:

--- Quote ---Ideally, 184mm spokes with long nipples must be used when building Z's on hi-flange hubs. Doing so will ensure an adequate cross pattern and a much stronger wheel

You may get away with using 182mm spokes, again with long nipples, as this will only reduce the number of crosses when you lace the wheels

I reckon the 180mm spokes will be too short. Remember, this is a total difference of 8mm across the effective rim diameter and coupled with the extra thickness of the Z-rim the use of long nipples will not help much

I would return the spokes to Alans and order 184mm with long nipples instead

Hope this helps

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Not sure I agree with everything you've said there. Using DT Swiss' calculator and SUzue high flange hubs as a guide, thier recommendation is 182mm for the front and 182/181mm for the rear. This is based on using 14mm nipples, the shorter the nipples the longer the spoke (184mm for 12mm nipples).

harris:
they sent the short nipples 182 front 180 rear so i will at least change for longer nipples, :daumenhoch:

Steve P:

--- Quote from: Moose on February 19, 2006, 07:29 AM ---
Not sure I agree with everything you've said there. Using DT Swiss' calculator and SUzue high flange hubs as a guide, thier recommendation is 182mm for the front and 182/181mm for the rear. This is based on using 14mm nipples, the shorter the nipples the longer the spoke (184mm for 12mm nipples).


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My help has been based on my own experience of building three sets of Z-Rims with hi-flange hubs . . . they all laced perfectly using 184mm spokes with long nipples !!!

Moose:

--- Quote ---they all laced perfectly using 184mm spokes with long nipples !!!
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting that 184mm laced perfectly and you have far more experience than me at wheel building.

All I was trying to say was that, i wouldn't necessarily send back the spokes (not before measuring the hubs anyway) as the 182/180 combination may be sufficient depending on the measurements.

Don't you think it would be better for Danny to measure the hubs and use one of the calculators and see if his hub measurements make any difference. If Danny still has doubts, he can voice them with 'Alans' whilst he's getting them to swap the nipples.

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