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What is a mongoose 2 / there's no such thing as a motomag model....let's discuss

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Redline:
I can see this thread ending up like the infamous Redline Proline thread on here..... fookin epic  :2funny:

John

kdw712:

--- Quote from: Bob_Acid on August 12, 2009, 05:09 PM ---So Kev that would make the Mongoose with the step down dropouts about the mk10, there were a few variants wer'n't there.  :-\

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bob not quite  ;)

mk 1 had the flat style rear drops
mk 2 had the step down drops ( as per your frame)
mk 3 had no gussets
after that

who cares  >:D

however in the mark one style there was a model called mongoose II  which was one of 4 standard models


* mongoose
* mongoose II
* mongoose motomag
* mongoose freemag          not wheel

bobafett:

--- Quote from: kdw712 on August 12, 2009, 07:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bob_Acid on August 12, 2009, 05:09 PM ---So Kev that would make the Mongoose with the step down dropouts about the mk10, there were a few variants wer'n't there.  :-\

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bob not quite  ;)

mk 1 had the flat style rear drops
mk 2 had the step down drops ( as per your frame)
mk 3 had no gussets
after that

who cares  >:D

however in the mark one style there was a model called mongoose II  which was one of 4 standard models

mongoose
mongoose II
mongoose motomag
mongoose freewheel


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So Kev you agree then that the mongoose II and mongoose 2 are two different things ?  ???

i.e.

mongoose II = standard mongoose frame 1979-early 1981 but diiferent spec components (alloy wheels, freewheel, caliper brakes)
mongoose 2 = 1981 onwards - change in dropouts, serial style and decal style/position

?  ???

kdw712:
john

yeap i do agree

there was what we call a mk 1 mongoose called the mongoose II its in the catalogues
as was the mongoose motomag

then the drops changed and we refer to those as mks two for easy id
mongoose didn't call them that

though the gusset less supergoose was called the supergoose III in some ad's

and then theres all those weird / odd ball ones as the styles changed and the parts bins played catch up

bobafett:

--- Quote from: kdw712 on August 12, 2009, 08:48 PM ---
then the drops changed and we refer to those as mks two for easy id
mongoose didn't call them that


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Exactly "mongoose II" was a model name for a complete bike with a certain spec sold by mongoose but "mongoose 2" is a label that we as collectors give to the changed style of frame in the second half of 1981 onwards  ;)


.......but  :LolLolLolLol:

Is it not dificult with those cross over frames to just put it down to the drop outs alone as the one item that says "right that's a mongoose 2" ?  ???

I look at Paul's (snav69) 1981 goose and my 1981 goose above, BOTH of them with July '81 serial numbers both with 2nd gen style serial numbers and both with second gen survivor decals and it's hard for me to just say "oh mines a mongoose 2 and paul's is a mongoose 1" as they could both possibly qualify as a "2" depending on the criteria you use  :-\

Your thoughts mate ?  ???

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