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New School BMX 2004 - Now => New School Park, Street & Dirt => Topic started by: zed4130 on March 13, 2008, 02:09 PM
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My mate across the road from me picked this up from the dump for £3 :shocked: its got profile cranks and bb, it had a very chewed up profile ring, a icle one ;) its got a fly front hub and a araya aero rim, back one has been changed at the mo, but he wants a 13 tooth at the back so is going to get a flip flop joby, he got a new seat and post ,and hombre back break green one :daumenhoch: anyway were not sure what the frame is ? this is the number, well kind of as some has been grinded off ??? poss its been knicked at some point me thinks ;) heres the number, HAM?? 0 9871 and here are some pics, thanks as always
paul
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture050.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture043.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture042.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture039.jpg)
and heres the forks, 10mm poss SaM ? anyone know :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture045.jpg)
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kinell! :shocked: score!
dunno what it is, but definitely doesn't look POS-ish.
nice find!
Brian :daumenhoch:
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for some reason i cant get federal out of my mind :-\
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did fit bikes do a hamilton bike ? its got hamm in the number ???
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I'm no expert but the chainstay/bottom bracket bit looks like a "Proper"
Trev would know...or one of the many Proper owners on here.
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pretty sure hamilton hasnt ridden for fit
ive ruled out fit as even though the gusset is similar the fit one covers more of the downtube , thats on the flows and seris 1s , the 2s had euro bottom brackets
its not a federal and neither are the forks ( there is too much dropout below the leg )
any idea on top tube size ?
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or it could be a FIT, look at this one, it's not the same, but maybe there are various versions.
Van Homen (HOM?)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/p70/simonjturner/thebollax011.jpg)
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the only fits that used a cable guide and not just a cable stop were the flow and those were a split type not a solid tube , plus their gussets come up to half way on the downtube whereas this doesnt
im sure 414 industries ( the seatpost ) is owned by anthony revell and came stock on some complete bikes but i cant seem to remember which ones
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Federal Im Sure... I Think They Made A Hamilton Frame
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the federal had a toptube gusset , no chainstay yoke ( a straight up double diamond frame ) before it went internal/hiddenset it had a notable flare to the headtube
it was also notable because it was short in both the front and the back
ive just remembered that the front wheel is a " northern john " spec sold by alans a few years ago
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Im not sure of the tt lengh we isnt in at the mo , so i cant measure it, here is a pic of the seat tube, looks abit different than the fit ? this bike has a US bb, and a normal headset, its been painted over in white, the bike looks like it was black, :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture044.jpg)
and the dropouts ,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture041.jpg)
and under the bb
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture047.jpg)
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pretty sure its a federal division, 1st gen about 2000ish, I had one for a while, hated it coz it was to long.... think they had a problem with them as cyclone were knocking them out for £140 even tho they had just been released... rrp £210..
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pretty sure its a federal division, 1st gen about 2000ish, I had one for a while, hated it coz it was to long.... think they had a problem with them as cyclone were knocking them out for £140 even tho they had just been released... rrp £210..
ill have a flick through some 2000 mags :daumenhoch:
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but wernt federal using a toptube gusset in the early 2000s and wasnt it later they changed them to seatstay mounts ? did they have a straight headtube or were they ring reinforced ? , i remember them all having a caliper hole :-\
ive got a bit of a headache now lol i wont be beaten though
would you believe i was looking for mutinys when i found this ???
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/grace_n_versus.jpg)
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ooooh new pics :)
i can see why you think its been pinched , no one was tried to get rid of the numbers with a screwdriver or anything lol
the crimped not capped end of the stays suggest its not american made to me
i wish companys kept a timeline of their stuff , its hard work looking for differences in frames when every photo on the interweb is damn 08 >:(
t1 had a nice timeline on their old site but they ditched it a while ago :tickedoff:
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aint got a clue what it is Paul....but great find for £3! :shocked:
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cheers guys , so ive looked through some mags, and all the federal's ive found have the brakes on the chainstays , this just shows you how genetic these frames are, ive got a feeling this bike is from around 03-04 ish, as just has that look to it, ??? and yeah rob he got a right bargain, everytime ive helped him do something onit ive noticed another cool part, sad thing is ,this bike must of been owned by a kid who loved it, as he put some nice bits on it :-\
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looks like its been stolen at some time as serial no has been stamped over
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looks like its been stolen at some time as serial no has been stamped over
:LolLolLolLol:
catch up we know that :LolLolLolLol: ;)
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looks like its been stolen at some time as serial no has been stamped over
:LolLolLolLol:
catch up we know that :LolLolLolLol: ;)
lol didnt read the posts just looked at picts
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im knackered
been through everything i can think of that has the traits that set it apart but everything has an ever so slight difference
the nearest i can find is
http://www.alansbmx.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=5688
click on the pic and comparfe it side by side
its not it exactly because its tooo new but it shows 2hip are using if not the same then very similar gusset/stay caps / rear end / etc . it could be a 2hip complete from a couple of years ago
but whatever it is its still a set of profiles for £3 ;D
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looks like its been stolen at some time as serial no has been stamped over
:LolLolLolLol:
catch up we know that :LolLolLolLol: ;)
lol didnt read the posts just looked at picts
im knackered
been through everything i can think of that has the traits that set it apart but everything has an ever so slight difference
the nearest i can find is
http://www.alansbmx.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=5688
click on the pic and comparfe it side by side
its not it exactly because its tooo new but it shows 2hip are using if not the same then very similar gusset/stay caps / rear end / etc . it could be a 2hip complete from a couple of years ago
but whatever it is its still a set of profiles for £3 ;D
no worries mate i do that all the time :LolLolLolLol:
perry, because this had some nice bits just made me think its something goodish , but the features are so similar on these nuschool bikes makes it hard , i keep seeing pics, and thinking thats it, then notice some little differences, :-\
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so are these SaM pitchforks ?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture045.jpg)
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my fbm livewire had a similar gusset and rear stays
but looking at the serial no does look like a federal
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yep , me and a mate used to be excellent at spotting parts
im certain its a 2hip :)
been looking at their site and if you look at the one between the pork and the playboi ( the dirty coloured one ) you can see the chainstays are slightly kinked just like in your pic with the bottom bracket
http://www.2hip.com/products_frames.html
a mate had a pork for years and the quality and depth of the welding and the way the stays are capped is very similar
if you look at the playboi complete you can just about see the downtube gusset
http://www.2hip.com/products_bikes_playboi.html
their stems are also chunky , the dropout on the forks are the same and there is a cable gude near the headtube
it may not be any of these models or even last years but it shows 2hip have been using these frame quirks
:)
edit , i doubt they are pitchforks as all the one i remember have had a slightly shorter dropout below the leg as i remember always catching he weld on the edge of the leg on grinds , to me out of all the aftermarket forks ive seen they remind me of volumes , but you might never know until you ine them up against some others and see the shape of the legs
but you could take a pic of the wedge welded in to the steerer as that is a good way of telling forks apart ( or at least it was lol )
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well looks like me macniel i had aswell as me fbm
macniel
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v340/lazychubs/bikes/6f4c0e47.jpg)
and fbm
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v340/lazychubs/bikes/ac164bb6.jpg)
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the macneil ( im guessing ruben ? ) has a different seatstay junction and the chainstays join at too shallow an angle
the fbm is chainstay brakes but very similar :) got a pic of the bottom bracket area ?
your house has allllll the toys :)
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I thought the same as you perry about the forks, as the drop outs do look shorter on SaM :daumenhoch: ill see if i can find a older 2hip to compair,
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but saying that :-\
http://www.libicycle.com/LIB2/forks/sandm_pitchfork_t.gif
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whip the stem off and see how the top of the forks are.
S&M forks have a round nut welded in the stear tube, about 10mm down from the top. It comes with a simple bolt (about m8) and they are often hollow (although you can only just get a cable down there).
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sadly both have been sold off so no bottom bracket picts
and yes my kids do have to many toys
theres not enuf room to ride in the garden now lol
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whip the stem off and see how the top of the forks are.
S&M forks have a round nut welded in the stear tube, about 10mm down from the top. It comes with a simple bolt (about m8) and they are often hollow (although you can only just get a cable down there).
cheers alex, ill try and pop over to his tommorow and have a look , :daumenhoch:
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fit series 1?
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got a couple of feelings on this! took me bloody ages and can't find any pics to backit up. but, i first got the feeling of either federal division or nation. definately one of the early ones! the more outrageous thought is a pashley. used the wishbone and gusset on there frames but can't remember what the stays look like!
two things that may help is the frame weight and toptube length!
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??? i did think it could be a fit joe, but the seatstays dont go over to the tt , like a fit frame, C.B the only feds ive found have the brakes on the chainstay, i havnt any pics of a pashley , :daumenhoch: thanks guys
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right then ;D
federal hamilton , has conventional chainstays , cable guide isnt near enough to the headtube
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/hamilton.jpg)
fit van homan signature , has reinforced headtube , no cable guide ( just a stop ) seatstays join the seattube too far forward , gusset is too large
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/vanhoman-frame.jpg)
fit series 1 , same discrepancies as the homan
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/fitseries12.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/fitseries13.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/fitseries1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/fitseries11.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/fitseries1foster.jpg)
note how the gusset wraps around too much of the downtube
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/fitseries1fosterheadtube.jpg)
federal nation , its not a federal nation lol
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/federalnation.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/2002federalextention.jpg)
federals changed each year and they did change to seatsay brakes when peoples chainrings got smaller
federal division , toptube gussets
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/federaldivision.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/federaldivision2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/federaldivision3.jpg)
pashley 20mhz , its just not lol
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/pashley20mhz.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/pashley.jpg)
kye had a signature pashley , i remember it as i rode with him a few times and it had built in chain tensioners , also dylan clayton had a signature ( dark cyde ) which from memory had v brakes ?
its allllll in the details :(
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Now i thought we'd have had enough new skool lads on here to have this put this one away by now....
Props to perry for doing all the homework. i thought it was a pashley.
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i can see where everyone see its a certain frame from each detail but every one has another that shows it isnt
an old mate of mine was just as fanatical about the ever so slight differences in parts we would bore our fellow riders whenever we saw another bike as we would compare specs until we were happy with what we thought it was
" im saying kink "
" nope the dropout is 5mm too long "
" ahhh "
:2funny:
trouble was from about 2000 - 2006 they were pretty much the same and nearly allll black lol
we knew what each part was in each video and magazine , we were nutters lol
im still leaning towards an older 2hip
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WOW thabks for all that perry mate, i know how much agro it is doing pics, this is a right hard one, i originaly though dk 6pack, as i had one and looked the same, but as you say it all the little bits, i noticed the extra cable guide , i thought the holes might help, as there is 2 under the brake bridge, as you say perry, between 2000 and 06 there all abit the same, :-\ thanks again mate, :daumenhoch:
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Perry on this old skool site, we revel in those slight differences :daumenhoch:
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:)
it seems to be from the early 2000s which is where my knowledge is best , so it annoys me that i cat just say its a --- ----- :'(
DKs have biggers dropouts ;) thought of those too
i feel sorry for the people who will be doing this in 5 or ten years time , theres little to no documentation on companys stuff on the internet now so in the future itl be even harder to tell what an unstickered black frame is >:(
each year the bmx industry forgets about its older stuff :'(
i cant find any information on the quantitys of the terrible one signature bikes or any info whatsoever on the metal burmas , its hard work scouring old mags that have little to no information in them
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just bin it Paul......it's a POS! ;)
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just bin it Paul......it's a POS! ;)
:LolLolLolLol: too be honest justin just would love to know what it is, he wants to get stickers for it etc, but its no easy task this, maybe impossible , funny though , just shows you ,you could sticker something up from that era and even now as what you want :LolLolLolLol: so shall we make it a fit serries 1 then ;) looks kinda like one :LolLolLolLol:
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mightaswell ;D if our many years cant work out exactly what it is then the average 14 year old down the skatepark wont be any the wiser :2funny:
would be good to get a toptube/chainstay measurement and when its stripped down for paint get a look at the blow holes in the headtube and bottom bracket
rub some of the white off and see if the blacks paint or powder :)
lets not mention what the bars might be :2funny: :-X
no matter what it is he has paid a tenth of the price of the front hub alone 8)
its going to be an great trail bike :daumenhoch:
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mightaswell ;D if our many years cant work out exactly what it is then the average 14 year old down the skatepark wont be any the wiser :2funny:
would be good to get a toptube/chainstay measurement and when its stripped down for paint get a look at the blow holes in the headtube and bottom bracket
rub some of the white off and see if the blacks paint or powder :)
lets not mention what the bars might be :2funny: :-X
no matter what it is he has paid a tenth of the price of the front hub alone 8)
its going to be an great trail bike :daumenhoch:
:daumenhoch: cheers perry, sadly it probably wont hit the trails that often, :-\ ive asked if he can come out to play on sunday , but i dont think he will be alowed out ::)
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course he wont , hell be tooo busy stripping it down and painting it ;D
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course he wont , hell be tooo busy stripping it down and painting it ;D
he hasnt finnished the curtis, and he's had that for months , his missis keeps on at him about finishing the diy around the house :LolLolLolLol:
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is that old curtis bmx or new curtis mtb ?
i always wanted one but couldnt justify £500 on a frame t45 or not lol my old trailstar did me fine
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is that old curtis bmx or new curtis mtb ?
i always wanted one but couldnt justify £500 on a frame t45 or not lol my old trailstar did me fine
its a OS bmx perry, ill post pics one day when its done, i will be about 80 by then :LolLolLolLol:
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Some Mongoose completes had frame numbers starting with HAM I think maybe 2-3 years back. The problem with identifying most new school stuff is that its all so similar it's hard to tell different companies stuff apart these days. Those forks look very similar to what came on the Mongoose Legion 2007 but that was orange and you say this one was probably black originally.
To conclude: I've been no help whatsoever :LolLolLolLol:
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Some Mongoose completes had frame numbers starting with HAM I think maybe 2-3 years back. The problem with identifying most new school stuff is that its all so similar it's hard to tell different companies stuff apart these days. Those forks look very similar to what came on the Mongoose Legion 2007 but that was orange and you say this one was probably black originally.
To conclude: I've been no help whatsoever :LolLolLolLol:
:LolLolLolLol: no you havnt :LolLolLolLol: but i know what your saying, my mates bugging me now, he wants to know , ::)
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what about steve (HAM)iltons federal sig frame ? ???
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memory like a sieve zed , check previous page lol
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memory like a sieve zed , check previous page lol
:LolLolLolLol: oh yeah perry i forgot ??? memory what memory :LolLolLolLol:
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what was this thread about again ?
i cant remember what were trying to id anymore
it was a kettle wasnt it :-\
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what was this thread about again ?
i cant remember what were trying to id anymore
it was a kettle wasnt it :-\
:LolLolLolLol: yep a white kettle, :LolLolLolLol: we are all still none the wiser :D
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I'm actually thinking this is a DK now - take a look at this 2008 frame on this bike here:
http://www.mailordercycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m21b25s191p7207&z=7977
There's loads of similarities, check the ends of the seat and chainstays, the wishbone at the bb, the downtube gusset. It could be a DK complete say maybe 2007 or 2006 - earlier would probably had larger dropouts. The fact it has a US bottom bracket and small dropouts suggest its not that old but maybe a lower end complete bike which has obviously had upgrades.
Tell your mate I'll buy his Profiles for £5 so he's £2 in profit already :LolLolLolLol:
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I'm actually thinking this is a DK now - take a look at this 2008 frame on this bike here:
http://www.mailordercycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m21b25s191p7207&z=7977
There's loads of similarities, check the ends of the seat and chainstays, the wishbone at the bb, the downtube gusset. It could be a DK complete say maybe 2007 or 2006 - earlier would probably had larger dropouts. The fact it has a US bottom bracket and small dropouts suggest its not that old but maybe a lower end complete bike which has obviously had upgrades.
Tell your mate I'll buy his Profiles for £5 so he's £2 in profit already :LolLolLolLol:
it's defo not a dk, i had a 04 6pack, and dk's have a gusset at the top, plus the older ones say dk on the wishbone,and the brkae bosses are different, and under the bb it would say 6pack etc, plus ive got a 07 4pack today, and they still have the top gusset , other than mines got a spanish bb,and a internal hset, :daumenhoch: although this was my first gues aswell
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture052.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/Picture053.jpg)
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Pah - foiled again :LolLolLolLol:
It was the seatclamp that got me thinking cos it seems strange to put a big dk seatclamp on aftermarket
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Pah - foiled again :LolLolLolLol:
It was the seatclamp that got me thinking cos it seems strange to put a big dk seatclamp on aftermarket
:LolLolLolLol: thats the old one from my 6pack ;)
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Ah I see - throwing me red herrings :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
There's a possibility its from a We The People complete actually.
This is too difficult for my old brain - I'm off to the pub :D
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Ah I see - throwing me red herrings :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
There's a possibility its from a We The People complete actually.
This is too difficult for my old brain - I'm off to the pub :D
i dont blame you mate :LolLolLolLol:
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There's a possibility its from a We The People complete actually.
i was thinking the same, could be an early wethepeople 4-seasons :daumenhoch:
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funny joe ,i was looking at some wtp yesterday and thought the same thing, surly the holes in the frame would be a give away ???
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:LolLolLolLol:
5 pages! you'd think we'd have it pinned by now :daumenhoch:
i'm going to have to go through every copy of ride to i.d this fooker arent i?
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please do
ive gone through all mine but i gave away loads before i moved so i cant guess acurately without seeing each yearly change of each model by each manufaturer
youl have fun though , find pics of stuff youve forgotten about :daumenhoch:
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:) Not a W.T.P. 4 Seasons,as they didn`t have a wishbone.The plot thickens!
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ive gone through loads of mine 00-06 but loads at my mate across the road, ive got him looking , well it is his bl##dy bike :LolLolLolLol:
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i'll have a butchers through :LolLolLolLol:
this is what made me think FIT, similar cable stop placement, the mystery frames chainstays dont look as "boxy" the look like they curve more?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/fit_series_1-1.jpg)
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is there a "finding fee " to whoever can truely identify it :P
fit flow is damn close but look closely at that guide and its split
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is there a "finding fee " to whoever can truely identify it :P
fit flow is damn close but look closely at that guide and its split
how does that sound Z? a teat for the finder? :LolLolLolLol:
maybe some radbmx.co.uk stickers? :LolLolLolLol:
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sounds like a good idea ;) better ask the mods :LolLolLolLol: