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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Stella Dave on August 08, 2007, 11:58 PM
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Can anyone help with wot parts made up this bike please?
Need to know all parts please.
Have mailed dordy as he built one but no reply as yet.
What type of tuff pads as I have been offered some but want correct ones!
Was rear Tuff alloy hubbed? I know the front wasn't.
Were the forks standard with streetbeat?
Cheers guys.
(http://andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/Bar%20Jump%20Kelloggs%2085.jpg)
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plastic hubs front & back, I remember seeing him at meadowbank in edinburgh on this bike in 1985
redline 401s, ez bars, mushrooms, shimano dx - gold? I have pics of this bike somewhere
the f&f were bought as a set then, the forks had wee arrow shaped cutouts on the dropouts and broke easily!!
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i'm sure i've got the full spec somewhere from freestyle bmx where he tested the street beat. i'll try and dig it out in a bit.
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meadowbank?? really?? cool.
Wonder if I seen him in Aberdeenshire! too long ago.
Cheers, good start.
I've bought F&F from ginnys, will forks be correct?
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cheers trev, if a jobs worth doin...
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Right Dave, here you go...
Frame: Skyway Street Beat, 4130 Chrome moly
Forks: Skyway Street Beat, 4130 Chrome moly
Bars: Skyway EZ Freestyle, 4130 Chrome moly, twin crossbrace
Grips: Sharp X1
Wheels: Skyway Tuff 2. Rear Coaster
Brakes: Dia Compe MX1000 front and rear
Brake Levers: Dia Compe Tech 3
Pedals: Shimano DX
Cranks: Redline Flite
Seat: Elina Flyte Tech
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brill, cheers mate.
This is gonna be pricey!!
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rear coaster?!?
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hahaha, i've just been reading the test report.
"one thing's for sure, you'll never break a Street Beat frame, no matter how good at thrashing you are: this one is solid."
i wonder if they like to take a look at some of my old street beats... :LolLolLolLol:
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rear coaster?!?
yeah, Neil rode a coaster brake on flatland and ramps when he was on skyway. when he moved on to Holeshot, that was when he switched to freewheel.
I wonder whether Dordys / Madall's one had a coaster?
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Okay call me thick here but coaster brakes...those are ones you pedal back to brake right?
Whys he got MX's on rear also?
Not up to speed on coasters.
Chances of getting sharp x1 grips?
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Okay call me thick here but coaster brakes...those are ones you pedal back to brake right?
Whys he got MX's on rear also?
Not up to speed on coasters.
Chances of getting sharp x1 grips?
yeah, a coaster brake is a back pedal brake. you can pick one up of ebay for around £20.
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Weren't they 400 flites?
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Weren't they 400 flites?
I don't know enough about flight cranks to be able to tell ya, but the test just said Redline Flite.
If I get a chance, I'll try and scan the pictures in, and some of you experts can confirm....
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Just flites apparently, different thing going by the guide on Ebay.
"Many people do not know the differences in the various versions of REDLINE Flight cranks.I will try to provide a basic tutorial covering this topic.I will be adding more detailed pics very soon to help in identifying the many versions listed below.
First off let's start with the original REDLINE Flight cranks.These can be identified by having a six splined spindle and no pinch bolts.These were made available to the public in 1980 and are known as "FLIGHT CRANKS" they are somewhat scarce(compared to other Flight crank versions) and used a threaded (28T) spindle.REDLINE did list the part number for these as 401 but did not advertise them as such in any known advertisements or catalogs.
Around 1981 REDLINE 401 and in 1982 the 400 Flight cranks were introduced.
The 400 Series (sometimes mistaken for the original FLIGHT cranks) were a budget version of the Flight crank introduced in 1982 and had a fixed spider,no pinch bolts and accepted a square tapered spindle (larger than a standard size spindle also fit DB TURBO and SUGINO 400 cranks).They also came with a threaded sealed bottom bracket set.The cranks were made for REDLINE by SUGINO.
The 401 Series accepted a six splined spindle had full wrap around pedal bosses and wrap around pinch bolt bosses.Introduced in 1981 these are very similar to the original FLIGHT cranks accept that they do have pinch bolts.
In the very late 1980's or early 1990's REDLINE changed the design and these cranks were known as simply FLIGHT cranks again (not 401's).These cranks look similar to the 401 Series (also accept a six spline spindle) but the pinch bolt bosses were welded on and the pedal bosses were not the full wrap around version.They also came with a non-threaded spindle and sealed bearings.These cranks are commonly mistaken for the older more valuable 401 Series but are not considered to be true old school items.They are considered Mid school by most knowledgeable collectors.
Later in the evolution REDLINE came out with the double pinch Flight cranks.These are easily distinguished from the earlier old school versions by the double pinch bolts on each arm.These are not considered old school.
Some people also mistake REDLINE PROLINE cranks for Flights but they are easily distinguished by the fact that the arms are wider and don’t have a channel for the REDLINE decal on the backs of the arms.They also have an 8 spline spindle.All the old school Flight cranks mentioned above did have this channel."
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(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/California%20Test.jpg)
(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/California%20Test%202.jpg)
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v432/Lazarou63/ruff.jpg)
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D'oh!
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Here's some more...
(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/Bar%20Jump%20Kelloggs%2085.jpg)(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/BMX%20Weekly%20Centre.jpg)
(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/Crowned%20%26%20Chopped.jpg)(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/KOSP%2085.jpg)
(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/King%20Of%20SkatePark.jpg)(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/Me%20And%20My%20Bike.jpg)
(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/Southsea%20Skyway.jpg)
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looks like normal OS tuff pads.
Your right, DX's do look gold!
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I see 401's in the Southsea pics and 400's in the Kelloggs pics he must have used both but when i picture a Neil Ruffell replica i see 400's.
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also he started with white EZ bars then it looks as if he switched to chrome...
so depending on which cranks you get would then depend on which bars you got to make it correct i suppose...
be careful as you may have to buy green grips on a certain model....
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I'd go for the Kelloggs bike personally.
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I'd go for the Kelloggs bike personally.
me too. :daumenhoch:
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v521/fischflo/ruffelldetail.jpg)
dordy´s orange beat: http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php'mforum=firebird&t=134&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&mforum=firebird
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hrmpf
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Nice one, thats one of the ones I have pics of.
Dordy has One piece crank and Wellgo's, I presume this is because parts are unavailable?
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dordy's had a coaster
i think it flipped him over the bars one time at southsea
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The seat in the pic is a white Kashimax Aero not an Elina. The Kashimax will be one of the harder bits to find, virtually impossible or ££££.....Try alans for the grips. Good luck :daumenhoch:
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I thought one of pics looked like Kashi, Aero maybe?
Redline Flite on Bay :shocked:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BNIB-REDLINE-FLIGHT-CRANK-UNOPENED-BMX-SEALED-BEARING_W0QQitemZ170137304792QQihZ007QQcategoryZ109118QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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dordy's had a coaster
i think it flipped him over the bars one time at southsea
lmfao...now that was funny, he said he then spent hours trying to clean the tyres
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fookin hurt too lol ;D.
I wonder whether Dordys / Madall's one had a coaster?
yeah i had the coaster tuffs on mine.
the grips were mushrooms on his bike not the sharp ones. but the sharps are a better orange to match.there was a nos pair in the for sale section.
he has 2 different bikes.
the one with the chrome bars at southsea was because he bailed on a big big air and bent his so if i remember right swapped a set of campbell prolite.
silver dx's.
panrancer freestyle tyres.
mx 1000 with centre devices changed front to potts mod.
kashi aero either orange or white
skyway freestyle stem think firebirds got my old one for sale
ermm think thats it.
i could'nt afford the flite at the time but if i was gonna get a set it would have been the ones with the black chain wheel.
breaks the colours up nice.
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I thought one of pics looked like Kashi, Aero maybe?
Redline Flite on Bay :shocked:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BNIB-REDLINE-FLIGHT-CRANK-UNOPENED-BMX-SEALED-BEARING_W0QQitemZ170137304792QQihZ007QQcategoryZ109118QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
This is the guy thats making a fortune out of the double pinch flights, they are not the era correct ones for old school builds and only cost about £80 straight from the states anyway :police:
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I`d have to say as well that imo they`d stopped making the 400`s by the time that Neil rode for Skyway, I can remember getting my first set of flights from Surrey Skates Dec of 82 and they were 401`s, then got a another set when Prter Hawkins took over the Skyway trick team in late 83, but these were 401`s too, Neil never joined Skyway untill late 84 so surely he`d have got 401`s too ???
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Oh, Lazarou could you enlarge that scan of Trevs so I can read it please, I`ve tried and havn`t got a clue :idiot2:
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sorry slightly off topic,i've got a t'shirt with ruffell doing a cherry picker but they've put a head of jesus on instead of neils,i wondered where they got the idea from
priv
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sorry slightly off topic,i've got a t'shirt with ruffell doing a cherry picker but they've put a head of jesus on instead of neils,i wondered where they got the idea from
priv
i've got a t-shirt of god, but they've put my head on instead of gods.... :angel:
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I'm pretty sure those DX's are gold!
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Tech 3 & MX1000, silver or chrome anyone?
DX's, gold?
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sorry slightly off topic,i've got a t'shirt with ruffell doing a cherry picker but they've put a head of jesus on instead of neils,
I love that T-shirt print. Its so good!
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DX's are silver and so are the brakes, Neil used 401's and an orange Kashie Aero post Kellogs.
Here is mine
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/SL700230.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/SL700222.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/SL700529.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/SL700530.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/SL700534.jpg)
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Wow! nice...
Is that Haro tyres?
Wot crank wheel is that? Redline?
Grips?
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Just spotted the guide for Redline Flights -
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=26518.0
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Wow! nice...
Is that Haro tyres?
Wot crank wheel is that? Redline?
Grips?
Redline flights 401's and Sharp Grips
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cool cheers, the while redline thing is very confusing!
Where did you get Sharp grips?!?
Whereabouts are you mate? Seen your Saltire flag.
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cool cheers, the while redline thing is very confusing!
Where did you get Sharp grips?!?
Whereabouts are you mate? Seen your Saltire flag.
Dallas Texas at the moment but normaly North of Inverness
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Paint code anyone??
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Thats why I got an orange one from Ginnys.
Too much hassle getting a raw one Tango'ed.
Chris :D
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I can still get it done way cheaper using local powdercoaters. F&F was only £50
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Probably would work out at £113 to uk, then theres a chance of import duties.
But i got some other stuff at the same time, to save on postage.
I worked it out, a raw frame £65 + £40 powdered + postage to and from powder coater £20.
Probably a bit more if not the same?
I went for Ginnys to have the proper orange (as far as i know - correct me if im wrong - from Ginnys).
Just the way I went. Not trying to diss your build or anything mate.
If it turns out well then my Brother is after one also, so may go your route and get a raw frame to start with.
Chris :daumenhoch:
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I CAN GET A FRAME POWDERED FOR 20 QUID, BUT IF U WANT A SPEC' COLUR, JUST BUY THE POWDER AND ILL GET IT DONE :daumenhoch:
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Probably would work out at £113 to uk, then theres a chance of import duties.
But i got some other stuff at the same time, to save on postage.
I worked it out, a raw frame £65 + £40 powdered + postage to and from powder coater £20.
Probably a bit more if not the same?
Frame $55 Shipping $50 = $105 = £52.50 all goin well with customs that is!
Getting Frame, forks and EZ bars powdercoated locally for £45
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Have pm'd madall but can someone please measure downtube decals and fork decals??
Thanks!
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sack that, sorted!
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i used this to get my ral code for my gt and the match was spot on for me,
hope this helps you out,
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/ral.html
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mmm, RAL 2003 Pastel orange looks about right. Anyone confirm if they used that?
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what i done with the one madalls got now was sent a brake pad with the bike and missfits craig matched it perfect to it.
the colour matched spot on with the tuffs too.
if i remember right it was an american ford colour.
i sent some touch up paint for it to madall a bit back that had the paint code and name of it on the box.
might help you :daumenhoch:.
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cheers man!
Think this is gonna be a Ruffell inspired bike rather than rep as the parts are way out of my budget and I would like to use the bike without worrying too much about expensive parts!
What crank could I use as good alternative? Profile maybe?
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get some of the new flights from the states
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how much are they and where from??
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I have a set in the house twin pinch but need a ton for them posted bud
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I'm just gonna get new ones from States. Cant afford that much.
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mines are brand ew in the box lol
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Got my Orange beat frame, forks & tuff2's from Ginny today. They look very very nice.
Going to be a Ruffell inspired bike like Stella Daves, as cash is tight.
Watch this space. Chris ;)
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im doing one to lol :D
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gees! all these Orange beats being done.....my green one will be rare soon! :LolLolLolLol:
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Well that's four now! >:( ;D
I'm gettin bit concerned, ordered my F&F on 8th and tracking site still says collected at beaver falls! Does that mean it hasn't left the US?? As last time I ordered stuff it was tracked right across.
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yeah it should say left america, then you'll have to wait while our rubbish postal service hang onto it for another two weeks before sending you the letter asking for £100 duty and tax! >:(
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Think you could be right this time :'(
Been very lucky up till now with stuff.
Really hope not as I dont have penny to my name!
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Just arrived but no customs docs in clear envelope! Did you guys have any?
She hasnt marked it childs bike or nowt as instructed.
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so i take it you never paid any duty or tax then?? i ordered some tuffs through her and they were all marked up correctly......not a penny to pay :daumenhoch:
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Just arrived but no customs docs in clear envelope! Did you guys have any?
She hasnt marked it childs bike or nowt as instructed.
If it`s arrived you should be ok, usally if there`s anything to pay you have to pay it before it`s released :daumenhoch:
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Andy (McNulty) had my favourite Ruffell rep
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Skyway/Neilruffellreplica.jpg)
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what happened to Neil ruffell. By the sounds of it he died?
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Andy (McNulty) had my favourite Ruffell rep
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Skyway/Neilruffellreplica.jpg)
Yeah, have that pic. Wot Spider is that??
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can anyone help with orange mushies for less than £20??
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can anyone help with orange mushies for less than £20??
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOS-80s-MUSHROOMS-GRIPS-ODI-Orange-color_W0QQitemZ130144870666QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64644QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
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for less than £20??
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seen them, want cheaper and not from far east if poss
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Andy (McNulty) had my favourite Ruffell rep
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Skyway/Neilruffellreplica.jpg)
Yeah, have that pic. Wot Spider is that??
Those are redline 400's :daumenhoch:
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Andy (McNulty) had my favourite Ruffell rep
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Skyway/Neilruffellreplica.jpg)
Yeah, have that pic. Wot Spider is that??
Those are redline 400's :daumenhoch:
God, these things are confusing. I thought the first flights weren't attached to spider and that was later cheaper ones?
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400's had the spider. 401's, no spider :daumenhoch:
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Andy (McNulty) had my favourite Ruffell rep
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Skyway/Neilruffellreplica.jpg)
Mine too :smitten:
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and mine 8).
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I've decided to do an orange streetbeat as my 1st bike and am going to order a raw f+f from the usa, just wondering what colour orange I need to get it powdered to get the authentic look? Think I'm going to do a look a like becuase some of the parts look a bit steep price wise. Is there anything I should ask the seller in US to put on the package to try and avoid any problems with customs or will they know the score and sort this for me?
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If you order from Ginnys she puts down details which should get it past customs.
Ive just had one of her Orange StreetBeats sent over. But she does do raw frames also.
If you look on cheap streetbeat thread, think £65 delivered from vert-ego or £52 from US Ginnys.
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=41708.0
http://home.comcast.net/~ginnyrini/gr2.htm
Chris
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Would be interested the Ral code which is a good match.
http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/ral_colour_chart.htm
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Think that's like four or five more orange ones now, may have a rethink now!
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If you order from Ginnys she puts down details which should get it past customs.
Ive just had one of her Orange StreetBeats sent over. But she does do raw frames also.
If you look on cheap streetbeat thread, think £65 delivered from vert-ego or £52 from US Ginnys.
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=41708.0
http://home.comcast.net/~ginnyrini/gr2.htm
Chris
If i order some Tuffs and a few other bits from Jinnys will they be delivered by Royal Mail or by USPS themselves becuase I've seen there vans driving about over here?
I was also looking at some of the new Redline cranks on ebay and was wondering whats the difference between the Us,Europe and Spanish versions? Would I need a US version with the Skyway being an american bike?
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parcelforce worldwide will probably deliver to you,
streetbeats need a US bb, the cranks on ebay dont come with US bb ask them if they are a 19 or 20mm spindle as 19 is profile size and 20 is D20 from alansbmx
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ask them if they are a 19 or 20mm spindle as 19 is profile size and 20 is D20 from alansbmx
:daumenhoch:
I knew about the US bb but explain this please! Is 19 or 20 ok?? me not follow :buck2:
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got me f/f bars so far silver mx900s redline 400s still need orange tuffs but we be gettin there bit by bit :D
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Ive got my,
Orange frame & forks built up, with orange tuff2's/pads and white tyres, orange grips, mx seat clamp, seatpost, stem, decals waiting to go on.
Cant afford 3pc crank yet, so got redline 1pc for time being.
Need white ez bars, white seat , brakes, pedals, black 44t chainring and chrome spider.
Thank god its just been payday. Spent up last month. Chris :D
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/SL700529.jpg)
My one is for sale if anyone wants it
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you gotta price??
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It owes me over 750
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My Ruffell Replica Beat - latest pics of Skyway projects
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k28/chrishil1/latest.jpg)
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that orange beat is looking prety good so far mate :daumenhoch:.what build have you got for the aqua one?
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Aqua - looking at black skyways - whitewall tyres, but havent got anything for it yet.
The orange one has cost a fair bit so far. Waiting till next month now, to buy more parts.
Chris
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Lookin good!
Pickin up my bars on Wed when up in Aberdeen then get F&F, bars and stem coated. 8)
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is there gonna be a orange street beat lineup at mk08? ???
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quite possibly! Def goin with the orange again as my mock up of Baby Blue didnt look great.
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Can anyone help with headset?? Wot make/model it?
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Also, wot TPI of pegs do i need for new sealed tuffs from Ginnys? Will 24TPI fit??
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Anyone help with the Headset make please?
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dunno m8 im puttin a black 125lp on mine decided not to go for an exact rep as i dont want to fail misrably so im goin for a bit of a new twist to a neil ruffel rep
still orange cos i reckon its one of the coolest colour schemes out there :daumenhoch:
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:LolLolLolLol: Whats the group definition for a load of StreetBeats?
Whatever it is there'll be one at MK08
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a hareem of streetbeats. 8)
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How's the build going dave, is yours painted yet or are you on Dans waiting list? Are you still going for orange? What stem are you using? Cheers,
Simon
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/SL700990_edited.jpg)
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mr madall do you still got the orange aero seat? if so how much ???
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How's the build going dave, is yours painted yet or are you on Dans waiting list? Are you still going for orange? What stem are you using? Cheers,
Simon
Nothing built as yet, F&F, bars and stem goin for powder this week hopefullly. Still goin for Orange as I love it!
Got the proper Skyway Freestyle stem but it's chrome hence the paint job. Once painted pretty much just gotta build it which I can prob do in couple hours.
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mr madall do you still got the orange aero seat? if so how much ???
still have it in the bag, It owes me a ton though so thats the only problem...
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Does anyone know 100% what the decals are on bars? I bought Skyway ones like most folk have put on but this pic looks like EZ decals!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a382/DaveSimpson/ruffellsmall.png)
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haha, my build is back on track. Kinda lost the inspiration for while.
Tryed to keep it as close as poss till i can afford Kashi, flights and find sharp grips.
Have found a spider to mock the fixed flight one. Pics up very soon!
Still unsure of bars decals, correct tyres, tape on frame, seat post (not Ody)
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Funny readin through this again, I've learnt a lot! :D
Finishing my ruff rep for the end of month to take to Burner Bash, It's taken a long time sourcing
correct parts but I'm very happy with the bike and how close it is to the original.
Still not got 400 Flights and maybe never will with the price they are but I've got a good match.
Just polishing up the brakes and restoring the DX pedals and it's pretty much done.
Pics will be up soon! 8)
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Great, i'd like to see that :daumenhoch: Mine is finished (just about). People still debate about what the correct parts are though. I know he changed bars, grips and crank. Get some pics up when you're done.
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From the pics both 401's and 400's were used, the 400's were made by Sugino and sold as a cheaper option to 401's in the early to mid eighties.