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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: ED209 on December 02, 2015, 12:23 PM
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I've been over BMX building since MK ... happens every year ::) but I was lucky enough to get offered THE prototype sliding post Zima frame from Olly Hall ... who seems to be even more over it than I was! LOL
Apparently this is a really lightweight frame!
So the chrome one I had has found a new home and this is my winter project now :)
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I'd like it to end up something like Sen's as the frame is going back to raw ...
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Its currently in the hands of Old Father Time .. aka Phil Sawzall who is fettling some brake mounts and cable guides back on. He's also making me a new seatpost :-) I need to get all the chrome bits stripped and raw then off to SBD to get any non brazed welds coloured up ... then back to me for s special take on the decals ... then a clear coat.
I've got all the bits saved from my last Zima with the addition of some raw G-Sport bars >:D
I've got it all planned out you see :slayer:
* U P D A T E D *
All done :-)
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Ace :4_17_5:
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Nice one Ed looking forward to this one :daumenhoch:
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Not talking to you anymore :yahoo_silent:
Looking forward to this ya nipple tweaker :daumenhoch:
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very cool ED 8)
where the hell did a find a pair of g sport handle bars from :shocked:
been looking for another pair for ages and never seen a set for sale
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Well cool Edwardo :coolsmiley:
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:chin: :popcorn:
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Nice piece of Uk mid history. Im sure itll look great. 8)
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very cool ED 8)
where the hell did a find a pair of g sport handle bars from :shocked:
been looking for another pair for ages and never seen a set for sale
got a pair offered from Olly when I bought the frame ... pricey but theres no way I could say no :daumenhoch:
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Going to be a great build. :daumenhoch:
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mmmmm its all brazed :smitten:
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Are you going to get 990's put back on? Or run it with a bolt on brakes?
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Are you going to get 990's put back on? Or run it with a bolt on brakes?
Phil has brazed the mounts back on for me ... but there was no sign of cable guides so I'm not having any
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Are you going to get 990's put back on? Or run it with a bolt on brakes?
Phil has brazed the mounts back on for me ... but there was no sign of cable guides so I'm not having any
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When she's ready to go to SBD give me a shout :daumenhoch:
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When she's ready to go to SBD give me a shout :daumenhoch:
cheers Gaz ... but as a prototype I think she has to be raw, rough and ready :)
That said I will need to Dan to colour up the welds on the forks to make them looks brazed to match the frame :angel:
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Steve mentioned this frame in the June 1994 Ride mag when they did a focus on the workshops of Xposure and Zima.
If it was 15 months old in June 1994 then it was built in approx March / April 1993
I've not seen or held the frame yet but Olly told me that Steve built this prototype out of lighter tubing than the normal Zimas. There's been a couple of mentions in Ride about Zima building some lightweight trails frames so this could have been Steve's experiment into lighter weight frames as well as the sliding post ... I will have to ask him :daumenhoch:
The first production model had an intergrated seat post clamp but the prototype has a seperate clamp. I'm not sure if its one Steve made or if he just borrowed it from something.
The original Zima post was missing but new radster Trav77 had one so he did me some pics for Phil to make me one.
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I'm guessing your gonna keep this one then Ed... what with it being a bit special and that. :chin:
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Nick I wouldn't have sold the first production one if Olly hadn't offered me this ... :4_17_5:
My WAL and this are keepers ... there's nothing else I want to build so thats me done after.
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Class :daumenhoch:
I WILL get one of these, even if it kills me!!!
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The seat clamp was custom made Edward his dad machined it and id say it's half the weight of a normal Zima it's not much diff to today's frame weights when you pick it up your eyes and brain get confused as you expect the normal back pain but it's like lifting a can of Stella :daumenhoch:
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The seat clamp was custom made Edward his dad machined it and id say it's half the weight of a normal Zima it's not much diff to today's frame weights when you pick it up your eyes and brain get confused as you expect the normal back pain but it's like lifting a can of Stella :daumenhoch:
Thanks for the info Olly lad ... I get confused as Authur Negis Sawzall says its a anchor and it put his back out :surprise:
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Also unlike your sliding post Zima this 1's seat tube is full fat size, it has a plastic shim
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Also unlike your sliding post Zima this 1's seat tube is full fat size, it has a plastic shim
mine was full fat size too! I had to get a fat shim for it
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Little update :
Finally got my Zima forks, Reaction Boa and Gsport bars off young Olly :daumenhoch:
Forks are off to be dechromed :-)
Phil has finished rebrazing the brake mounts on so the frame is heading back to me next week ... things are happening :-)
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Look forward to seeing this finished!
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Look forward to seeing this finished!
hope I can do it justice to your vision Olly :daumenhoch:
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I doubt it Edward but I'm sure it will be nice
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I doubt it Edward but I'm sure it will be nice
tw@t ... thats the last time I try and be nice to you fatty
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I doubt it Edward but I'm sure it will be nice
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lovely brazed mounts :daumenhoch:
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Yummy!!
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Its here >:D
anyone else got a 2kg Zima? no ... you sir? ... no .... madam? .... no?
WELL I FUKKING HAVE HAHAHA :slayer:
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That was quick for a heavy load!!!
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That was quick for a heavy load!!!
its light as fook you old bugger!
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Its here >:D
anyone else got a 2kg Zima? no ... you sir? ... no .... madam? .... no?
WELL I FUKKING HAVE HAHAHA :slayer:
Send it back to Phil & get him to weld more stuff on the anorexic bastard
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Its here >:D
anyone else got a 2kg Zima? no ... you sir? ... no .... madam? .... no?
WELL I FUKKING HAVE HAHAHA :slayer:
Send it back to Phil & get him to weld more stuff on the anorexic bastard
It still fat so you will love it ... its just doesn't need Geoff Capes to get it out the shed
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Its here >:D
anyone else got a 2kg Zima? no ... you sir? ... no .... madam? .... no?
WELL I FUKKING HAVE HAHAHA :slayer:
Send it back to Phil & get him to weld more stuff on the anorexic bastard
It still fat so you will love it ... its just doesn't need Geoff Capes to get it out the shed
Light Zima just isn't right, best nail heavy bits on or it'll blow away
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So I've got this Zima prototype frame ... I bought it towards the end of last year but it only arrived the other day ... sold the one I had but kept all the parts thinking they would go on to this new one ... but now its in my hands things are not so straight forward!
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First of all it LOOKS like a normal Zima ... but when you pick it up its a shock ... the frame only weighs 2kg!!! This frame is THE one and only lightweight Zima.
The tubes are the same diameter as a normal Zima but really thin... the dropouts are also made of much thinner material ... its all round a much more light weight frame.
Phil Sawzall has been putting some 990 mounts back on it for me and when I was chatting with him he screwed my build ideas up by saying "its a light as a race bike ... why not build it as a race bike".
Olly told me that Steve built it as a jump bike ... so I've given Steve a shout on Facebook to find out how he thought it should be built... but the more I think about it it doesn't feel right to build it as a freestyle bike ... its just too light to handle it... unless it was just built out of lighter materials because it was just a prototype for the sliding post model ... but then why would the sliding post version need a prototype? its exactly the same other than with a sliding seat post ... hopefully Steve can answer some of these questions.
Also Sen has a set of Zima forks that are s h o r t leg with no peg mounts ... maybe they were made for this frame?
So ... do you think I could build it as a race bike ... or a trails bike ... or should I just stick to a freestyler?
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What's wrong with having a lightweight freestyler :daumenhoch:
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What's wrong with having a lightweight freestyler :daumenhoch:
theres nothing wrong with it as such ... but the build philosophy behind the Zima was strength through big fat heavy as fook tubes ... this is something different :daumenhoch:
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Here's Sen's forks ... never seen Zima forks like this before
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Those forks look lush!
I guess the lines were getting blurred between race/ freestyle / trails by this point...
I would just build it as an all rounder with nice parts I reckons...but I know fook all about mid school :idiot2: :idiot2:
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Get them forks off Sen and build it as a race bike :daumenhoch:
Then when you realise you don't like it, sell it to me :whistle:
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No race bike should ever have 990 lugs on it in my opinion
Lightweight freestyler :daumenhoch:
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No race bike should ever have 990 lugs on it in my opinion
You'd be surprised how many NBL and ABA mains were won with bikes that had 990 lugs. :daumenhoch:
Ed, its not a race bike. Start and end of it. :)
Saying that everyone builds Zimas the same. Id sugest it needs Sens forks, 2pc bars, and 2 pegs on the one side. Build it into a proper mid trails / street / park bike, not a tank for tanks sakes.
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No race bike should ever have 990 lugs on it in my opinion
Lightweight freestyler :daumenhoch:
well that was the other red herring Rob ... before I had felt how light it was I saw that it had the hole in the seat tube for the 990 ... Olly had asked Phil to put lugs on and I thought it needed them too ... but I kind feel the same about a race bike ... but I'm sure some trails bikes had them?
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No race bike should ever have 990 lugs on it in my opinion
You'd be surprised how many NBL and ABA mains were won with bikes that had 990 lugs. :daumenhoch:
Ed, its not a race bike. Start and end of it. :)
Saying that everyone builds Zimas the same. Id sugest it needs Sens forks, 2pc bars, and 2 pegs on the one side. Build it into a proper mid trails / street / park bike, not a tank for tanks sakes.
It will never be a tank Jon :-)
I feel the same .. it just can't be a race bike ... but I'd love to build it really light!
I'm in negotiations with young Sen-dog about the forks ... he needs some persuasion tho! :surprise:
2 piece bars and rear break only I like ... not sure of pegs on a trails bike?
Waiting for the reply from Mr Geall to see what he can add :-)
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In one of the interviews ride mag did with Steve I'm sure he mentions doing the normal type of fork pictured further up the thread. I reckon it would look killer with those forks, straight rear cable, front potts mod, pegs one side & a set of slam bars :daumenhoch:
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In one of the interviews ride mag did with Steve I'm sure he mentions doing the normal type of fork pictured further up the thread. I reckon it would look killer with those forks, straight rear cable, front potts mod, pegs one side & a set of slam bars :daumenhoch:
Hey Shane ... yep I'm feeling that look :-) some 95ish Slam bars would be cool ...
deffo straight rear cable ... still in two minds on a front brake ... comign round to the pegs one side idea and you and Jon are advocates ...
I think you are right about the forks being mentioned in a advert ... I will check the catalogue too ... will have to work on Senny to get the forks ... full body massage maybe :daumenhoch:
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I just checked the Zima 'catalogue' and Steve had offered these s h o r t legged forks on there as an option ... so maybe not 'specifically' made from this frame but still would look cool ( and a bit different ) IMO
Here's Sen's forks ... never seen Zima forks like this before
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don't build a race bike build a trails bike, 2pc bars etc Steve always rode 2pc bars, it was build for trails his dad told me him self
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don't build a race bike build a trails bike, 2pc bars etc Steve always rode 2pc bars, it was build for trails his dad told me him self
Thanks Ol :angel:
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By the way them forks that Sen has used to be mine, the guy I got em off had Steve make em as he kept snapping his pitch forks on his dirt bike I say build a trails bike, :daumenhoch:
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No race bike should ever have 990 lugs on it in my opinion
You'd be surprised how many NBL and ABA mains were won with bikes that had 990 lugs. :daumenhoch:
Ed, its not a race bike. Start and end of it. :)
Saying that everyone builds Zimas the same. Id sugest it needs Sens forks, 2pc bars, and 2 pegs on the one side. Build it into a proper mid trails / street / park bike, not a tank for tanks sakes.
This is all correct.
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Paint it pink & give it Mrs Ed :teef:
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With Tuffs ;D
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Well the debate is over ... thanks to the man himself Mr Steve G.
Me ... "Hi steve - hope all is good with you 🏼 you know I got your prototype frame from Olly .... can I ask you a couple of questions about it? 😇 did you build it to be a jump / trails / race bike ... I want to build it up but didn't want to build it as a freestyle bike if you had designed it for something else. Also were there special forks that went with this frame? A guy I know has some s h o r t leg Zima forks with no peg bosses ... where they for something special like this frame? Cheers 🏼"
Steve ... "Hey Ed. ... the frame is just a lighter version of the original ... so freestyle. As for the forks , people wanted different style forks. The s h o r t er legged ones were what someone ordered 'cause they wanted them like that. Like to see pics once you finished it"
So ... all sorted ... full back on track for a freestyle build with a big nod to various Zima builds from the past ...especially Steve's builds :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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👌 and how I would have built it! ;) don't run a boa tho get some ad lugs brazied onto the forks :daumenhoch: be different
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👌 and how I would have built it! ;) don't run a boa tho get some ad lugs brazied onto the forks :daumenhoch: be different
but what would I do with the lovely Reaction Boa I have? I can't think!
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👌 and how I would have built it! ;) don't run a boa tho get some ad lugs brazied onto the forks :daumenhoch: be different
but what would I do with the lovely Reaction Boa I have? I can't think!
Send the fooker here :daumenhoch:
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I still think you should do a fairly basic build up of it. It's a prototype so build it like a test rig :daumenhoch: Bare metal, mismatched parts & nothing too blingy on it!
That said, you'll make it look good whatever you do with it :coolsmiley:
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I still think you should do a fairly basic build up of it. It's a prototype so build it like a test rig :daumenhoch: Bare metal, mismatched parts & nothing too blingy on it!
That said, you'll make it look good whatever you do with it :coolsmiley:
You've nailed what I'm going for Shane ... its gonne get ridden for sure :daumenhoch:
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I still think you should do a fairly basic build up of it. It's a prototype so build it like a test rig :daumenhoch: Bare metal, mismatched parts & nothing too blingy on it!
That said, you'll make it look good whatever you do with it :coolsmiley:
You've nailed what I'm going for Shane ... its gonne get ridden for sure :daumenhoch:
Sounds good to me! Looking forward to this Ed :daumenhoch:
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I still think you should do a fairly basic build up of it. It's a prototype so build it like a test rig :daumenhoch: Bare metal, mismatched parts & nothing too blingy on it!
That said, you'll make it look good whatever you do with it :coolsmiley:
You've nailed what I'm going for Shane ... its gonna get ridden for sure :daumenhoch:
Sounds good to me! Looking forward to this Ed :daumenhoch:
Can't decide between the Gsport bars or Geoff Cain's 'Milky' Bars with the chrome Zima forks on the raw polished frame ... trying to match the colour of the polished copper brazing to the decals ... I might get the chrome stripped off the forks to match the Gsport bars later ... but that can wait :daumenhoch:
I've got some ACS True 100 tyres on the way from the states to run on my PE Engineering / Peregrine wheels ... Jive or Ame grips ... negotiating for a Pro III stem but I've got a inverted DK in reserve ... gonna drop the gyro but still run a Reaction Boa and potts mod ... ACS levers
Phil Sawzall is making me an extra fat seatpost ... not sure on what yet ... the frame came with a custom machined seat post clamp ... GT for the peds cranks and chainwheel
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Any progress Ed? Gagging for a look I am :LolLolLolLol:
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Any progress Ed? Gagging for a look I am :LolLolLolLol:
Its too cold in the shed & I keep getting told off making too much noise when the telly is on "nono"
... its coming tho!
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Bring the shed into the house, you'll be nice & warm then :daumenhoch:
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Update :
- frame rubbed down with emery paper to give a nice 'raw but rough' look ... all the cooper brazing polished up
- trial decals on thanks to Skidders Sen ... need to find a slightly different gold tho
- survivor white ACS True 100 tyres arrived
- rebuilding the wheels to have ACS RL Edge rims on the PE hubs
- fat as fook seatpost tube sourced by the Sawzaller
... hoping to get it a bit more built tonight :daumenhoch: pics to follow
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Dont come back until you are armed with pictures. :2gunsfiring_v1: :LolLolLolLol:
These descriptive updates are insufficient....
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Dont come back until you are armed with pictures. :2gunsfiring_v1: :LolLolLolLol:
These descriptive updates are insufficient....
Where's the legendary MSJ patience!
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Yeah I'm with you John !
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Dont come back until you are armed with pictures. :2gunsfiring_v1: :LolLolLolLol:
These descriptive updates are insufficient....
Damn straight!
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here you go then ... wingers >:D
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Looks super cool that Ed. :coolsmiley:
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Agreed. Loving the bars :daumenhoch:
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Already seen that pic! Boo!!!
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Nice to see a pic Ed :daumenhoch: Looks really good so far!
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Zimas are cool as fook :daumenhoch:
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Looks the nuts that Ed. You still going with the white acs tyres?
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Looks the nuts that Ed. You still going with the white acs tyres?
I wanted to ... I tried them ... they didn't work. It just looked too 'late 80s' ...
I'm got a pair of original V Monsters on there at the mo but a pair of 2.1 Comp STs would be what I need :angel:
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That's a shame, always liked the look of those tyres on mid stuff. They available then?
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That's a shame, always liked the look of those tyres on mid stuff. They available then?
maybe :daumenhoch:
they just didn't look right on a dirty English prototype :slayer: :slayer: :slayer:
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That looks real good :daumenhoch: Needs all black tyres on it though I reckon :LolLolLolLol:
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That looks real good :daumenhoch: Needs all black tyres on it though I reckon :LolLolLolLol:
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Still waiting for some better pictures!!
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Nice bike shit pic... sort it out Edward. :whistle:
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no 'finished' pics until its finished :-)
and it won;t be finished until Master Phil has done my seat post ... so 'patience' :angel:
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Told you! White tyres are old school
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Told you! White tyres are old school
The ones I had weren't ... so I tried them and I prefered something else :4_17_5:
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Thanks to Skidderz Sen for the cutting ... this is my bike :-)
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(In an inner, yet faraway floaty voice) Ed, this is your conscience speaking, do not stray from the path you are on, do not put knobblies & race parts on that Zimaaaaaaaaa.
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(In an inner, yet faraway floaty voice) Ed, this is your conscience speaking, do not stray from the path you are on, do not put knobblies & race parts on that Zimaaaaaaaaa.
... I hear ... a voice .... remove the Comp IIIs you say! ... and I'd just finished puttin all the parts from my TNT on it too ... bummer.
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(In an inner, yet faraway floaty voice) Ed, this is your conscience speaking, do not stray from the path you are on, do not put knobblies & race parts on that Zimaaaaaaaaa.
... I hear ... a voice .... remove the Comp IIIs you say! ... and I'd just finished puttin all the parts from my TNT on it too ... bummer.
Ed, it's your conscience again, stop messing around with that old lump of metal and send the frame to Shane, you have his address, do it, doooo iiiiit......
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Gotta get the brazing polished to match the decals ... anyone wanna lend me a dremmel :-)
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Its been a total bitch but I finally made some headway on this in the last 24 hours ...
Bought a TNT freestyle stem ... it doesn't fit the Zima forks I had
Bought some new Zima forks .. ultra HTF short legged ones from Sen ... the TNT won't fit them. They have been cut so the gyro won't fit.
The PE Hubs are too wide at the front to fit in either set of Zima forks.
Tried to get a decal set to match the brazing ... no gold matched. No spray I could find to spray my own colour matched. Thanks to Sen again for finally finding me one.
I've had the angle grinder going for hours LOL had to grid the stem shaft down 4 times before it fitted... finally got it on and I hadn't put the gyro on ... nearly got a hearnia pulling it off.
Ground the hubs down so they fitted as well.
Got some 90s 1.95 V Monsters or 2.0 ACS True 100s ( coming from the states )... both black and tan ... see which works best.
Its finally coming together :daumenhoch:
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Ha ha if building bikes was easy everyone would be doing it
Ive ran into stuff like this many times over the years
I like your style tho get the grinder and hammer out true midschool tools
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Ha ha if building bikes was easy everyone would be doing it
Ive ran into stuff like this many times over the years
I like your style tho get the grinder and hammer out true midschool tools
its been the ardest one I've done ... but rewarding when it comes togther :-)
The old angle grinder and hammer have been in full effect this weekend!
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No grinders & hammers needed with British engineering, surely?!
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No grinders & hammers needed with British engineering, surely?!
surely LOL
this is how I do it ... I ripped the tights tho
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Mmmm nice......props for running the gauntlet of a scorched b-bag for an extra thrill fistblump
P.S. Would you send me your panties when you're done with them? Unwashed of course.
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Mmmm nice......props for running the gauntlet of a scorched b-bag for an extra thrill fistblump
P.S. Would you send me your panties when you're done with them? Unwashed of course.
yes mate for course ... you are my type of buddy :coolsmiley:
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All done :-)
and it got MK16 Mid School Freestyle SnS Winner :4_17_5:
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fistblump :daumenhoch:
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I know........, I was there :teef:
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I know........, I was there :teef:
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Who's that dodgy looking dude larging it with that legend?
Edit: I've just realised it's Bob Haro.
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Who's that dodgy looking dude larging it with that legend?
Edit: I've just realised it's Bob Haro.
:) love you Shanus
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explosion real nice ed
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Found a new picture of my Zima that I hadn't seen before ... taken by Matt Dyer at MK16 :daumenhoch:
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Out of winter hibernation and dressed in white Jives with silver Shimano DX fistblump
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So rad :daumenhoch: someone needs to make a modern version of those levers!
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now that is beautiful :daumenhoch:
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now that is beautiful :daumenhoch:
Thanks Ace ... I started with a bike like yours 9 years ago and its taken 9 years of learning from RADBMX and working my way through different builds to get to this :daumenhoch:
I'll never put as much effort into a build again ... so I kinda envy you just starting off :angel: