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New School BMX 2004 - Now => New School Park, Street & Dirt => Topic started by: perry on March 21, 2008, 12:37 PM
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damn
slow speed , no pressre and it caught and snapped , 6.5mm in a 6mm hole :tickedoff:
its a hss bit too , but its ox platinum and its noticably harder to drill and grind
i thought id enlarge some holes id previously made since i had some new bts , shame they are nearly all blunt now
what are some good bits without spending serious money ? i had some ti coated in the past that lasted a while but i doubt even those would last long with this steel
can you tell the mrs is away ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/100_0462.jpg)
ill weigh it once ive finished if i can find some scales
anyone know the weight of a 2005 250s in ox platinum ?
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why drill it matey :shocked:
just put on some lighter clothing :D
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why do anything lol
to see how far i can take it
ive shortened the rear end to 13.6 too
its a spare frame and i want to get a bike thats lighter in both weight and pocket as my old blackbike stood me in at £1500 but im determined to get it lighter than that one
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done for now :)
i did lose the 9.5mm too >:(
still to do
larger hole in the bb
larger holes in the headtube
tempted to cut out the gusset / put some small holes in the top tube and remove whats left of the seatstay bridge ( that might be detrimental though )
weighed it on the scales very inacurately at 5.4 lbs which is what the current model weighs lol and that hasnt got the gusset anymore and i have cups inserted , not to mention the latest has a much lower toptube
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/Picturexfvbcbvcvb001.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/Picturexfvbcbvcvb002.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/Picturexfvbcbvcvb003-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y165/imperry/Picturexfvbcbvcvb005.jpg)
a fresh coat of gt85 and its ready to be built
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let me no if it folds up or cracks
as i have a 250 thats battered to death
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will do , thats why its raw :)
when i cut the bridge last year to try a short rear end i thought it wouldnt last as all i ever do i drop off things , 180s both ways ( badly lol ) and brakeless tyre taps . so the rear shouldave snapped off by now ;D
a testament to standards build quality . ive only ever seen one crack and other than that the weak headtubes ( everyone had a sta or trailboss where i lived and most died with a flaired headtube )
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Waste of a decent frame if you ask me. :(
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billy bodger :daumenhoch:
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hows it a waste , whats changed the ride ? its been in this state for near enough a year
id never sell it as it has no value
theyre ten a penny
it would be more of a waste if i bought a frame with a short rear and didnt like it
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perry you must understand that laz has sbc running in his veins
so its like sacrilege
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;D
itl cheer him up that the only one ive seen crack was a mid 90s that is still being ridden to this day , just gets rewelded , it is battered to fook though
i picked it up cheap because i hate anything other than euro bb , for me at least , its no weaker so far but is a better ride because of the changes :)
i know of a nos shorty , its not cheap at about £400 though :-\
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the tubes look quite large diameter, maybe cut them all out and reweld in smaller diameter ones :daumenhoch:
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does it whistle when ya do big airs lol
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big air :2funny: im in lincs , stand on a kerb and the wind blows you off it
oh if only i had access to a tig and space to put a jig :)
ill do it one day , id start by putting the bottom bracket lower , then ditch the 25.4 seattube for a larger thinner tube , tiny 4mm dropouts , got a few new ideas for a seatclamp too
nobody ever cut metal that can recommend bits :(
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what about making a piect to weld in to the top triangle
like a flat arty bit
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fookin hell!
i'll tell you now that sbc runs deep inside me too so i don't like what you've done. thats my opinion!
in answer to your question i believe the 250s weighed in at 5lb 6oz in original format. or 5.4 lbs depending on what trickery you wanted say to make the frame sound lighter. which seems to be what most bike companies seem to be doing lately
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its my opinion that the terrible 1 rides 100% better so once i got that the standard was a liability ;D
i lack a mig and space to use it but i could have a mate weld me in a small plate , the cut in half bridge is far from neat and likes to collect dirt but was the only option
this is my kerb nibling bike so anything goes , ill be cutting the gusset out tommorow if its sunny :)
its awful for trail riding but i have my unmollested t1 for that , ill never cut the t1 its far too nice ;)
every pair of measuring equipment seems different ;D im not bothered about specifics , i can tell its notably lighter in the rear and thats good enough
you got those lugs welded on yet lazychubs ;)
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no not yet perry as forgot to take em to work lol
just telling me bro that ya gave em to me
cheers again :daumenhoch:
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no problem , any time :)
you know i want pics when its done :)
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no problem , any time :)
you know i want pics when its done :)
will be taking the t1 to work tue so hope it will be done by wed
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It does seem like loads of work and effort to make a nasty looking frame that is still above 5 lbs. Aint there loads of frames below 5 now, off the shelf? Why not get one of them and then get busy with the drill (obviously money is the reason there, no need to answer that)
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(obviously money is the reason there, no need to answer that)
:daumenhoch:
this was a £50 ebay bargain bought based on its euro bb , 20.5 toptube and i knew standards were strong :)
ive been waiting all eek for my latest purchase that got posted today ::) >:(
i wont be cutting that :) and itl even get a brake :shocked:
the only frames i can think of that would fill its place as a "street" bike ( ie not bothered about dents , scratches etc ) would be a coyote or an inertia and i know the inertia would be strong as i was mates with ant i lived up the road from there
a lot of this is my mates trip to spain years ago but 56 seconds in is ant on his old lengthy , then again at 2 mins />
punkus is 14 and at 9 was riding lee musselwhites cracked london bikes />
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i might go back one day lol
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Perry, your problem drilling is likely to be a sizing issue as much as owt else. If you're after say, 6mm holes, then your pilot drill only wants to be 2.5-3mm tops.
Also, drilling by hand is always more of a pain. I would suggest you standing over the work and looking down on it. This would be more stable for you and less wobbling means less broken drill bits.
Dormer Jobber bits should be fine for the job, plenty of lube and try and find the optimum cutting speed if you can.
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cheers twobob :daumenhoch:
i always go in increments and stand over the item if possible , i try and go slow but not too slow
the bits i used are silverline hss that were £6 so hardly quality and not a great loss lol
im sure there is a correct lube but would a water dispersant ( wd40 , gt85 ) be ok or even a chain lube ???
can i regrind the tips of the ones i didnt shear ? i usually rasp them on my angle grinder which works fine for a while , is there a better way ?
i wish i had a pillar drill :'( and a welder and a bench grinder and a lathe and somewhere to put it all too lol
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;D ;D ;D You can never have too many tools ;)
As for drilling speed, the smaller the bit, the higher the speed and conversely so with bigger bits. Assuming your drill has a variable speed trigger, play around till you find the cutting speed. you'll feel it, ther bit wont be spinning or grabbing and the swarf will be long strands.
For lube, good old fashioned engine oil, or 3 in 1 will do the job. Even grease at a push.
You can reface your dead drill bits. It's bloody hard to explain though. In a nutshell;
The back of the face must be lower than the front, and the little straight line you can see across the point on the bit, needs to stay in the middle, so dont go crazy on the grinder. It's all in the wrist action.......
You can buy yourself a drill press. They're cheap enough. Basically a device to mount your pistol drill in to turn it into a basic pillar drill. Check out Machine Mart :)
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:4_17_5:
i know what im doing in the morning , very well explained , i know what you mean :)
i wish i had space for what i want but all i have is a shed sized "conservatory" thats full of lawnmover , edge trimmer , dry sump , a 1300 xflow engine , my old 1660 block a few heads and numerous car tools , most of my car stuff is infact under the bed , ive got a nitrous kit under there with 2 bottles , springalex rally wheel a rare 7" 1/2 rs 4spoke wheel , alloy group 4 radiator and probably some other stuff ive forgotten i own hence my drilling in the kitchen lol all the bike stuff is scattered around the spare room
this house it far tooo small :'(
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It certainly appears so :D
How's the loft looking?? plenty of room up there..... ;)
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lofts full of the people were renting the house off stuff , and a christmass tree ::)
there is a garage in a block around the back but we havnt got that either , but i do park my cars in front of it which is a ball ache when they want something out of it as one of my cars lacks a battery
but its cheap here ( compared to south devon at least lol ) so with a bit of luck we might buy a place next year and my garage will be amazingggg :)
in my eyes ill be buying a garage with a house on the side for convienience :2funny:
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Yip. I see my next home as a toybox with living quarters in it :daumenhoch:
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theres a perfect ed roth pic of ratfink ( a giant rat ) sat on a hotrod in a garage with a serving hatch titled " food hole " with mrs ratfink peering in 8)
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Haha, excellent. Food hole ;D
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euro bb 250 would have made it a waterford right?
seems a shame to go to all that trouble to build a precision bmx frame only for some amateur fiddler to hack the fook out of it,
what did you cut the fooking dropouts with? a cricket bat? :LolLolLolLol:
and those "holes" that you've hacked into the seat tube, ffs, why not just buy a grim reaper?!!!
drilling the headtube? AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :LolLolLolLol:
for what? to drop maybe a gram in weight ???
but the brake bridge really polishes it off for me, its thoroughly hideous :daumenhoch:
so congratulations, that is without a doubt THE worst "modified" frame i've ever seen, scrap metal.
mig welder?
fooking cig welder more like :LolLolLolLol:
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Ah, "Darkersomeday", there he is .... back at last! :smitten:
Say it like you see it >:D
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wanna buy me a replacement then :2funny:
why do people car soo much about metal tubing :2funny:
nearest i can find , there are literally hundreds of ratfink cartoons but you get an idea of the style https://www.mooneyesusa.com/Store/index.php?cPath=161_170&osCsid=9da0ebf3d50c76a9a0cf5e2cc69b911a :)
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cool Ratfink Hotrod T-shirt :daumenhoch:
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why do people car soo much about metal tubing :2funny:
i car about the sheer waste,
it just seems such a shame to wreck what is after all one of the very best bmx frames ever built, you say you wouldnt do the same to the T1 so why is it ok to fook up a standard?
my old man used to say "if a jobs not worth doing right, its not worth doing" :daumenhoch:
how much do all those metal filings actually weigh dude?
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yeah , i love that kinda thing :)
would love to get my hands on the moon vans too 8)
it was on ebay , not like i went out of my way to track down a standard , as the banger boys say to the purists when they race a "rare classic " you should have bought it yourself :2funny:
nur nur nur nur nur :)
as a good mate of mine once said " a bmx is just a tool , it doesnt need to be perfect "
edit - its less wasteful in this conditon and being ridden than discarding it because i didnt like it
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tell you what i thinks funny, paid at skatepark today with a twenty they had no notes so i was given a stack of coins which i rode with in my pocket for three hours.
How many people that are obsessed with bike weight ride with coins etc in there pockets???????? everyone to there own but people drill frames, why if you ride with a 5p in your pocket.
Mind you, bike weight????????/body weight???????????? ......relative...........................can worms open.
I have been drinking so apologies in advance.
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edit - its less wasteful in this conditon and being ridden than discarding it because i didnt like it
i'd have passed it on to someone else to use rather than "discarding" it :daumenhoch:
and it'd look a fookload better than when i got it!
not worse :LolLolLolLol:
onions?
g-sport ben's riding this now ;)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/dirtbikesurvivor3.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6245.jpg)
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the best bit of weight saving advice i ever got was...
"just take a good shit before you ride, thats nearly a pound right there"
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yeah that crossed my mind too.
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ive had a tipple too , feel the love :smitten:
people are only seeing the holes and not reading that i have shortened the rear end to 13.6 , in order to do that the bridge had to be cut , cutting it out may have made the rear too weak and cracked the seatstay at the seattube weld
the holes were and still are an ongoing experiment to see how much metal i can remove before my personal style of riding destroys the frame ( which it hasnt so far :daumenhoch: ) i have yet to find a frame i am 100% happy with , if i want to attain that ill have to go custom and if im paying custom prices im going to want to give exact gauge thickness , specific angles and lengths , if i have to " waste " something in doing that then so be it
sure i could have bought a felt but it wouldnt have had a comparable build quality
if you complain , let me use your wonderfull machineshop , ill clamp it down and mill it out with a pillar drill , ill also lasercut a 4mm plate to replace the gopping cut bridge
why shorten the rear ? for a change , to see what it would be like , at slow speed it makes the bike nimble and quick but adversley its twichy landing in a downslope and pulling up at speed takes concentration , ive learnt this at the expense of a grinding disc :)
everyone had a chance to own it , it was an auction , £1 would have taken it out of my hands but its my possesion and if i feel like cutting it into individual tubes to gauge thickness ill damn well do it ;)
i can assure you that this frame will one day be thrown away due to " going too far " i just want to see how far that is :daumenhoch:
im not even into the whole weight thing , there is no way i would ride this over a set of doubles , it lacks the balance in the air and landings need to be gentle to stop it looping out ( that fraction in the rear makes a big difference ) im a believer in lifting some weights , eating properly and stretching instead of taking a sander to your tyres but why carry around weight thats not doing anything and on this bike which ill only use for tech street im going to see how far the strength/weight can go
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ive had a tipple too , feel the love :smitten:
people are only seeing the holes and not reading that i have shortened the rear end to 13.6 , in order to do that the bridge had to be cut , cutting it out may have made the rear too weak and cracked the seatstay at the seattube weld
the holes were and still are an ongoing experiment to see how much metal i can remove before my personal style of riding destroys the frame ( which it hasnt so far :daumenhoch: ) i have yet to find a frame i am 100% happy with , if i want to attain that ill have to go custom and if im paying custom prices im going to want to give exact gauge thickness , specific angles and lengths , if i have to " waste " something in doing that then so be it
sure i could have bought a felt but it wouldnt have had a comparable build quality
if you complain , let me use your wonderfull machineshop , ill clamp it down and mill it out with a pillar drill , ill also lasercut a 4mm plate to replace the gopping cut bridge
why shorten the rear ? for a change , to see what it would be like , at slow speed it makes the bike nimble and quick but adversley its twichy landing in a downslope and pulling up at speed takes concentration , ive learnt this at the expense of a grinding disc :)
everyone had a chance to own it , it was an auction , £1 would have taken it out of my hands but its my possesion and if i feel like cutting it into individual tubes to gauge thickness ill damn well do it ;)
i can assure you that this frame will one day be thrown away due to " going too far " i just want to see how far that is :daumenhoch:
im not even into the whole weight thing , there is no way i would ride this over a set of doubles , it lacks the balance in the air and landings need to be gentle to stop it looping out ( that fraction in the rear makes a big difference ) im a believer in lifting some weights , eating properly and stretching instead of taking a sander to your tyres but why carry around weight thats not doing anything and on this bike which ill only use for tech street im going to see how far the strength/weight can go
so you're not bothered about saving weight but spent hours hacking holes in a frame just to see when it will break?
right......ok...... ???
then you'll throw it away,
o....k...,
you wanted to try a short rear end so bought a trails 250, that makes perfect sense too....
wouldnt it have been easier just to have bought a short rear end frame instead? :LolLolLolLol:
with all the finesse and elegance of the "work" you done on that standard i wouldnt let you in a pet shop, nevermind a machine shop
but seriously though dude "tech street" ? its 2008 mate! you cant go around saying things like that! :LolLolLolLol:
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what did you cut the fooking dropouts with? a cricket bat? :LolLolLolLol:
fooking cig welder more like :LolLolLolLol:
joe: i fookin love you! :2funny: :2funny:
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ahhh your missing the point
i bought it for its euro bb
i decided to shorten it 6 months after , 6 moths after that i enlarge the holes , why make it neat to impress someone on a forum who wants an argument because they have "wasted " their own possesion , it can give out at any time while being ridden , i dont see a point in spending hours polishing it
we dont all have money to throw around when we want to try something a bit different
ill let you hold my drill and cheap bits while standing in my kitchen anytime , if you can do a better job id love to see it :angel:
you seem to be holding too much value to my rusty steel , let go fella , relax , its all a bit of fun :daumenhoch:
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i know what youre saying dude i really do! its just a lump of metal that belongs to you and if you want to pointlessly drill holes in it you've every right to do so! however "freudian" it might appear :daumenhoch:
i think you have to appreciate though that this is a bmx bike oriented site, if you try that shit with an old hutch or haro etc, you stand a good chance of getting banned :LolLolLolLol:
many of us on here appreciate what rick and standard did for the bmx world and the high quality of the products that they put out, you cant put pictures of a hacked up, made ugly fooking frame and then not expect some gypsy to come along and fettle your arse ;)
if it were up to me i'd have banned you just for publicly typing the words "tech street",
but by far the most heinous thing thats slowly risen its vile head is the positive conotations made towards the EURO bottom bracket.
tbh, i find the mere metion of the thing upsets me to the point of nausia, the tiny bearings, the woefully fine threads, the bike shop shafting, sorry "facing" :LolLolLolLol:
actually, whilst were on the torrid, fetid subject,
why the fook did we ever see the euro bb on a bmx bike?
lastly, unfortunately i wont be taking up your offer of "fiddling with your cheap bits" in your kitchen or anybody else's for that matter, if i'm in a bits fiddling mood i want them fiddled by a professional,
not some love-jockey with a bastard file.
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its a 2005 not a 1995 your making it sound like ive chopped your childs hand off
yeah its bmx , alll about fun , not forcing your fascism on people because they dont want to farm out the work on their precious possesions to a 3rd party because they are scared of screwing in a cartridge bottom bracket . i use the english thread 68mm bottom bracket because it means i can utalise a range of cranks i want to use and not be forced into using a bmx specific part
but your one of those people that wont listen to other views no matter what they are so im riding off to the other side of the park and leaving you to it
i wont be rushing to knock on you any time soon :daumenhoch:
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its a 2005 not a 1995 your making it sound like ive chopped your childs hand off
sorry two of my pages must have been stuck together. when did 1995 come into it?
can't really speak for joe as he obviously has his own mind and is very passionate. for me, as a standard enthusiast. you bought it as it had a euro bb. now i have no problems with the euro bb as my bullitt has been ridden for four years and has never had a problem. for me, i have no problems with modifications, i had to do my dropouts on my bullitt as it had an issue with grinds. the bottom part would bend in making it difficult to get the wheel out. but they were shaped in reflection of the rest of the frame. and noticibly on your 250s there is a lack of 'finess' and tools can not be blamed! "a bad workmen always blames his tools" and all that. your frame could have still been done to look quite tasteful with the modifications undertaken but sadly it looks dangerously half assed.
now i'm not really trying to get at you, what i'm saying is you can't put up a frame in that condition and not expect it to be slated, afterall the majority of this site are into restoration and making things look beautiful
example: this is the original shape
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/FFST6689.jpg)
this is after i modified them
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/IMG_6026.jpg)
all done with a £20 angle grinder and a £4 file!
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each to their own :)
thanks joe on the heads up on these suckers
amazing to think that in another town in another part of the world someone is having the same thoughts
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ill spare you all any future pics :daumenhoch:
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:) On the subject of holes,anyone seen the ad for Hitman bikes in the new Ride? Sorry,but if I was forking out serious money for a new frame,I`d not be wanting it drilled to buggery...
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(http://www.drsplatter.com/Locandine/DrillerKiller.jpg)
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its only a standard anyway. ;D
spotted this on retro rides perry, i quite like what youve done, removed material from stress free areas (apart from the gusset perhaps).
keep up the good work.
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its only a standard anyway. ;D
>:(
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:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
i dont know what im more surprised about
that someone actually aproves
or team sano is on retrorides
so what car ya got ??? :)
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nothing as retro as that^^
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