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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: oldskooldayz on September 10, 2011, 08:33 PM
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Hi peeps
i got a set of Acs z rims for resto the other day and need a bit of help as the last time i owned these was donkeys years ago :daumenhoch:
right they look like the have been painted or sprayed with a clear liquid of somekind, the hubs were originally gold but they haver started to peel :'( yet are showing a nice clean chrome underneath
spokes are shot but who cares they will be changed anyway
so after i strip them down can anyone suggest what i could use to get whatever is on them off without damaging them please
all help welcome thanks :daumenhoch:
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Aquablasting - did you see the skyway I had done ???
it will clean them also.. 8)
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Aquablasting - did you see the skyway I had done ???
it will clean them also.. 8)
cheers for that but who does it or where can i get it done
any other forms of cleaning peeps that i can do at home incase
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dont quote me on this but nitromors should work and i think its safe to use on nylon parts best check tho
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acs hubs were never anodised due to the differant metals in the alloy preventing them from being so, they were a sort of plastic laquar coating which easily peels off, best thing for them is having them painted again in white or black (original colours), or just polished up.... ;)
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Aquablasting - did you see the skyway I had done ???
it will clean them also.. 8)
hmmmm i,ve got some blue zeds with a slight fade
i wonder :coolsmiley:
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dont quote me on this but nitromors should work and i think its safe to use on nylon parts best check tho
Will ask about a bit on that :daumenhoch:
acs hubs were never anodised due to the differant metals in the alloy preventing them from being so, they were a sort of plastic laquar coating which easily peels off, best thing for them is having them painted again in white or black (original colours), or just polished up.... ;)
Thanks i never knew that so easy repair on them then :daumenhoch:
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not sure it will sort the fading out but it will remove paint and Knacker lacquer..
My powder coater does it, check yours locally. ;)
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I've got a set of white Z's that I'm going to do red, they were grubby and a bit too "yellow" banged em in a long dishwasher cycle with a finish tablet
Came out lush :smitten:
Hubs, you can strip and rub over with this stuff
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCOTCH-BRITE-RED-3-PADS-9-X-6-INCH-PADS-GUARANTEED-/280632007677?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item4156f89bfd
so the finish is "brushed"
But before you do that........take it to a firm that mixes paint and pops in in a spray can.
Look on car resto forums they'll point you in the right direction.......................or at a push take it here
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ACArticleDisplay'storeId=10001&langId=-1&articleId=701009&categoryId=245348 :'(
And get them to mix a colour for you and sorted :daumenhoch:
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I've got a set of white Z's that I'm going to do red, they were grubby and a bit too "yellow" banged em in a long dishwasher cycle with a finish tablet
Came out lush :smitten:
Hubs, you can strip and rub over with this stuff
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCOTCH-BRITE-RED-3-PADS-9-X-6-INCH-PADS-GUARANTEED-/280632007677?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item4156f89bfd
so the finish is "brushed"
But before you do that........take it to a firm that mixes paint and pops in in a spray can.
Look on car resto forums they'll point you in the right direction.......................or at a push take it here
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ACArticleDisplay'storeId=10001&langId=-1&articleId=701009&categoryId=245348 :'(
And get them to mix a colour for you and sorted :daumenhoch:
got a local car paint shop so will get them to do just that :daumenhoch:
dishwasher i will give it a go when the wifes at work on monday otherwise its the dog house :LolLolLolLol:
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i take it once cleaned it would be wise to re dye them, anyone know what colour blue they would have been ?
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I own a Body shop drop me a pm i'll send you some scotch pads bud :daumenhoch:
Darren
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I would not dye em - see what they are like, mine were dull bitd....
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i'll be doing some white Z's on Monday i'll get a pics befor and after , fingers crossed as i'm gonna try something different i'll let you know on the out come , :daumenhoch:
Darren
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I own a Body shop drop me a pm i'll send you some scotch pads bud :daumenhoch:
Darren
cheers darren :daumenhoch:
I would not dye em - see what they are like, mine were dull bitd....
would they look sill re dyed then ? is it just better to clean them as much as poss and leave as is ?
i'll be doing some white Z's on Monday i'll get a pics befor and after , fingers crossed as i'm gonna try something different i'll let you know on the out come , :daumenhoch:
Darren
cool keep me posted mate
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its getting the colour right, if they look dyed they can look crap... but all z'd faded so they look like what the are 30 year old rims. :smitten:
A good clean, new decals job done - but thats just how I feel about it.
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its getting the colour right, if they look dyed they can look crap... but all z'd faded so they look like what the are 30 year old rims. :smitten:
A good clean, new decals job done - but thats just how I feel about it.
cool im down with the original look and feel and they are for a rider as well so fingers crossed they clean up a treat :daumenhoch:
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The colour on your wheels looks pretty good to me - if you dye them, you might end up with navy blue which looks rank IMO. That discolouration on your rims is a hard build-up that can be scraped off with a craft knife, then smoothed off with wet and dry. Try scratching off some of the build-up - should come off easily enough...
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I will give it a go and update if it comes off :daumenhoch:
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I have done some Z's for agayguff - they had brake rub that had worn in and gone hard - cuts and digs into the rim
i scraped the brake rims away to clean and then went through a three stage wet and dry paper sandaway - i then had to get the original shape back and make them smmoth and look like were back in the day - then stuck them in bleach for a week to get them back to white (just waiting for swivel to send me some decals to finish it off)
you can see that if you put in the hard work, you can sand back to mak them look clean again and back to the right colour - it just takes time - the smoother you get them they will look a better colour as the is more solid
cheers B ;)
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I have done some Z's for agayguff - they had brake rub that had worn in and gone hard - cuts and digs into the rim
i scraped the brake rims away to clean and then went through a three stage wet and dry paper sandaway - i then had to get the original shape back and make them smmoth and look like were back in the day - then stuck them in bleach for a week to get them back to white (just waiting for swivel to send me some decals to finish it off)
you can see that if you put in the hard work, you can sand back to mak them look clean again and back to the right colour - it just takes time - the smoother you get them they will look a better colour as the is more solid
cheers B ;)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNC18528.jpg)
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B your resto work is always impressive fella and they look well sweet :daumenhoch:
im about to strip the wheels now and make a basic start to see what direction i need to take with these puppy's
cheers for all the advice so far chaps :daumenhoch:
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Take them all apart - carefully and slowly as not to make the holes/nipple to spoke any bigger (they do get bigger when used as the wheel flex's it moves the spokes)
give them a good wash - theis will get some of the dirt out and grease off so you can see where to start - a dish washer is good for this or just a bucket of hot soapy water
Sit out side and get a good lock on with one hand and use you knees or feet to lean on
don't go to higher grade of wet and dry - the smother you start the easier it will be to get it smooth - 600 - 800 -1200 - you can use a razor/stanly blade but i'm guessing you don't need to reshape them and get them back to white and they are blue (but it is up to you and you need to know how to get the best out of a blade and how it works the item and not dig in or cut lines )
do one side with one grade of wet and dry - then go onto the other side and the same with the other rim - this way you will feel with you finger when you get a good smooth finish and both will look the same
just keep working down the grades til it's silky smooth - you learn as you go on through each grade
any prob pm me
cheers B
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Right some great advice on this topic so big thanks again :daumenhoch:
i dont want to start useing a stanley on them in a big way as i dont think i have the skills to do what is required so will take it very slowly and use one on selected small area's :daumenhoch:
i have just stripped them and they are now ready for the dish washer, i actually asked my wife if it was ok to use her most valuable machine and the answer was simple
if you break it your doing the dishes for the rest of the year and buying a new one :LolLolLolLol: i just fooking hope it dont damage the wheels i told her :LolLolLolLol:
again she replied why dont you just put the whole fooking bike in :LolLolLolLol:
anyway stage 1 underway peeps :daumenhoch:
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Now i went down the lazy bastartd route of just cutting the spokes with wire cutters ::) ( they were shot bent and loads wouldnt undo )
but i am faced with a little bit of a prob and that is the front hub has a buckle in it one on each side of the hub
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one is a good 8-10 mm out the other side is about 4-6 out, is this a case of put them in a vice and straighten out with a plier type tool ?
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Just took them out of the dishwasher and they look the same ;D
But and a BIG but I have found a split in one of the rims and am mega pissed off now :'(
they are hanging on by 5mm each side of the outer rim and 7 mm inside rim
can i fix this to ride them or is it goodbye sweetheart ?
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as you can see with a little pressure i can open the rim up
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That rim is scrap mate.
And in future, remove the freewheel while the wheel is complete!!!
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rip z rim :'(
i'd have a go at fixing that..not to be ridden on though...ill have them if your going to chuck them
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that zds had it mate :'( and as the ruler says u should have taken the free wheel of before you cut the spokes .....
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If you try and straighten that front hub you'll run the risk of fracturing or stressing the metal unless you relief the metal first with heat.....but it takes practice doing it on thin alloy
And that sprocket is going to be a sod to remove on a high flange Hub.................unless you have the tools :coolsmiley:
If you want a hand LMK :daumenhoch:
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Truly gutted about the rim being split and i would love to fix it but i will just keep my eyes open for a spare one
as for the freewheel i will get it off as a mate of mine has a handy little vice type clamp and has done it before
i was just being mega lazy as usual
how much does a split z rim sell for then :LolLolLolLol:
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And that sprocket is going to be a sod to remove on a high flange Hub.................unless you have the tools :coolsmiley:
A freewheel remover is a great purchase, and they are very cheap.
First you will need to build the hub into a wheel though. Thankfully it's a high flange hub and you can get the spokes past the freewheel though.
Don't have to go nuts getting all the spokes tight though, a slack build will do to hold the hub still while you wind of the freewheel.
If you dont have a freewheel tool, and the freewheel is expendable, just crush it in a vice and turn the hub off it.
Still need to build up the wheel though!
The hubs are soft, so vicing the hub could squish it.
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as they are acs hubs i will get it dont right as said above ::)
not worth fooking up when they can be saved
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
exactly :'(
need to find another one now
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Gutted for yer mate :( thats the sort of thing that would happen to me not a good day is it for wheel resto them white skys too :tickedoff:
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It's luck that it has showed up now and not after they have been rebuilt and ready to go on a bike
well have a check of the other one and see what that is like
sorry for you mate and it's a shame - put up a wanted add and see if any one has a single one
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Wanted add is up and waiting
i think it was hidden when it was laced up and tight and when i looked over them originally they just looked like they had a few deep scrapes
also as z rims are made with 3 joins i also thought at first it was one of the joins untill they came out of the dish washer then :shocked: :'( :tickedoff:
fingers crossed another will appear
the rear is sweet as so at least i have one and 2 large flange acs hubs