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Title: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 01, 2022, 04:23 PM
I was going to just post in "I am working on" but I would clog it due to the ideas going through my head.

I wasn't going to ride a 20 any more. Lots of reasons, but mainly arthritis and being over weight. Any way, since being diagnosed they have given me painkillers. Well, I asked for them. And it has been life changing. They are not like, strong painkillers. Co Dydramol, which is an opioid but not a strong one. It's just enough to take me from "Ouch F no" to "Oh go on then". Whilst away I rode the crap out of my Metal and I had the best time I have had riding in years. Mostly because the only ailment I had after losing two stone was just tiring myself out, without feeling like I wanted to cry due to knee and shoulder pain afterward.

I also took stupid amounts of money on my holiday too. Probably due to my anxiety, but I had the grand old visions of "I am going to fine dine at 100 quid a day every day !" forgetting that I don't like to be out in public places alone  :LolLolLolLol: so as the days went by I found that Tesco's special pizzas with king prawns and etc were more than good enough  :LolLolLolLol:

So then I am like "Find another mid school frame". But I know the only one left is the Kink Rev B, and I will likely never find one. However, having had so much fun riding the Metal I thought balls, let's build the polar opposite. So no brake, 4pc tall bars, freecoaster etc. So that I can basically have the best of both worlds. Looked at quite a few frames but when I found a U.S made S&M for 360 quid I just had to.

(https://i.imgur.com/QWS8Nhd.png)

I've totally been into red lately on new school rides. Mostly because kids don't want bright red frames. That is probably why it was on sale, but hey their loss and shit.

I already had cranks. Never even rode them, just mounted to my CW which I do not want to ride due to its rarity and it having lots of white on.

(https://i.imgur.com/iprrHTV.jpg)

I wanted to use them on my Ruben next year, but they won't fit. The Ruben is Spanish, and the biggest BB you can get is 22. These are 24. I thought I could switch them with the cranks on the Kink, but when I got those off I soon realised they were 24s too.

Cheap pedals, a fiver. But I love the design, they look nice and chunky and you can't beat a fiver.

(https://i.imgur.com/vtOEU9z.jpg)

Had this sitting in a packet.

(https://i.imgur.com/76jyuUY.jpg)

It's 28T. Again, I did not want another 25. Probably mad going brakeless on a faster bike, but I never was one for brains  :LolLolLolLol: Again though it was there, my mate put a lot of time into it and it's really cool.

I got this recently for 20 quid. Super soft, which was weird because the one on the Metal is harder (also BD mid)

(https://i.imgur.com/pfirVVY.jpg)

I removed this from the Metal last week and replaced with a polished one.

(https://i.imgur.com/neveqNL.jpg)

Have had this ages. Not been on a bike in ages either. Never used.

(https://i.imgur.com/OZbgfkd.jpg)

These just need a good scrub in the sink.

(https://i.imgur.com/tIyLc24.jpg)

But have tons of life left in them. Headset was half price with the frame, so a tenner.

(https://i.imgur.com/VzW2sQt.jpg)

Will order the spacers Toby found at some point also.

Now the bars are going to be these.

(https://i.imgur.com/Al03Ley.jpg)

And I was going to paint them just  satin black. Note I said I was. It would have been a lot of work, as the spatter is not flat. However I had an idea, after studying the frame. I realised the decals were a rip off of the Sega logo, and the characters on the HT are a rip off of Tails and Knuckles. Proper awesome. So that got my brain working. "Hmm, can I leave the bars as is and do something nutty with the fork?". Yes, yes I can. This is the fork here.

(https://i.imgur.com/0qebffT.jpg)

A very, very expensive fork set. They were 170 quid, just like anything else Demo/Volume make. They are however a bit tatty. Perfect physically, but minor scratches and the decals are tatty. So that sent me down another rabbit hole. "Where can I get Demolition decals". Well, you can get them free from Demolition for postage (about 8 bucks) but they are out of stock. Same goes for Volume. So that was out of the window really.

What if, however, I did something mad though?. What about white, with the Sega colours (red yellow and blue)? And then the idea hit me. White fork, with two pin stripes painted in in red and yellow, and then......

(https://i.imgur.com/mVABH1U.png)

In.

(https://i.imgur.com/6KDYEe0.png)

And then inside the fork leg....

(https://i.imgur.com/4LZGoaH.png)

And then lashings of clear. I already had a brand new can of fire engine red left over from the Kink, and then I spotted Graff City had removed shipping for the weekend. So,

(https://i.imgur.com/N2oNlEQ.jpg)

Whilst this will be a lot of work in masking and time it will be a lot less work than having to refinish the bars, and ruin the decal on the bars. It will also be much more fun, which is what I like.

For the wheels I bought this NOS for 35 pound.

(https://i.imgur.com/kggC4hJ.jpg)

It's an oval rim RANT on a sealed RANT female hub. It looks like the old Araya, and is exactly the same as the gorgeous Shadow Orbis I have on the front of my race bike (because Shadow and RANT are one of the same).

For a rear wheel I wanted a FC. Not got one on any bike. Problem is I could not find one in red and a red wheel would have been a Cinema on a regular hub. So I decided to switch it up and go polished.

(https://i.imgur.com/jBBsWYK.jpg)

Cost me 130. The hub alone is 170. BSD Westcoaster. It's used, but in very good condition. For the BB I have a Primo Churchill, and for the chain I got this.

(https://i.imgur.com/kha8OOf.jpg)

Also to tidy up the wheel I got these for 3.50.

(https://i.imgur.com/4vSfNoN.jpg)

Some decals, not sure if I will use these or not.

(https://i.imgur.com/6KKe3Cu.jpg)

Grips.

(https://i.imgur.com/t4JF6Vr.jpg)

And that should about do it. I may convert it to brake, but at this time of year no one is around any way. So it may work out OK.

Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 01, 2022, 06:27 PM
Didn't get up til 2, but it felt much warmer today. Yesterday was horrible. Realised it was indeed much warmer, at 19c, so manually sanded out the fork and put on the etch. The shitty part is now done.

(https://i.imgur.com/OmknhzQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/He3S18g.jpg?1)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 02, 2022, 12:14 PM
Sorry to junk up your thread, I'll take down if you want.

Here's a few additions to enhance your build  :LolLolLolLol:

Socks, because a man can never have enough socks  fistblump
Carry case, for your puncture kit and tools  fistblump
Valve caps, just to carry on the theme  fistblump

What would you do without me  :whistle: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 02, 2022, 02:26 PM
You evil temptress  :LolLolLolLol:

I will deffo be rolling with that theme now tbh. Plenty of colour too :)

Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 02, 2022, 03:47 PM
Right. Executive decision made, I don't want to die  :LolLolLolLol:

Got this. Will probably paint it in red.

(https://i.imgur.com/XlFSZ5f.png)

Didn't want to go stupid on a brake. I just wanted the one that works the best. I had this on the CW, and it worked amazingly. Then I put on a Evo, and it was a bastard. This brake was designed purely for new school to clear everything and work. Easily the most dialable brake you can get tbh.

(https://i.imgur.com/3M7jpJk.png)

And a cable.

(https://i.imgur.com/4SBJrCi.png)

I don't think the plate will work at the bottom due to the short back end. So I will need to drill a hole through the bridge at the top, and put it inside. I have a trick to make that look super clean too. Only other issue is the cable stop. I don't want to drill one in, as the last one I did failed with rivets. I spotted this the other day, will work perfectly.

(https://i.imgur.com/vhwoQQb.jpg)

I can't order one until the frame comes tomorrow though, as I need to get the right size. At least it can be removed if I ever want to. Will quite probably paint that red or something too.

I already have a brake lever I pulled from the Metal. SNAFU, really nice one.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 02, 2022, 03:51 PM
Oh and finally... I have this sprocket in the loft.

(https://i.imgur.com/kLNuTdb.jpg)

I thought it was a 25t. Any way, by the time my brain computed it was a 28t I was down and it was shut. I think I am going to use that though. Just simply as it's really nice and it's polished, so will carry the back wheel and brake a little better IMO.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 02, 2022, 06:36 PM
This is going to turn out nice  fistblump
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 02, 2022, 07:49 PM
Thanks dude. Just trying to use up the valuable parts, because I hate selling stuff.

Quite fancy a red stem, and could take the Fly off the Pork but I really can't be arsed. It's a pisser because it has a gyro, potts etc.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 02, 2022, 10:08 PM
What about polishing this up, it would break up the frame and bars nicely  fistblump

Good price too 👍🏼
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 02, 2022, 11:08 PM
This has literally just popped up too, ripe for a refinish  fistblump
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 02, 2022, 11:51 PM
I have a Jarhead on the T1. Same colour too, and IIRC it was cheaper than that. Edit in - yeah I have seen that  polished one. Very nice, but they are ton weights tbh.

I had decided earlier I was deffo going to get a different stem. But I was swinging between red or yellow or gold. For some reason I just don't like that Haro sprocket. I really can't explain why, but every time I fit it to some cranks it just doesn't do anything for me. Same with the Graveyard one I had made. I really don't know if it is because they are so plain. I did get it down (the Haro) and I have fitted it, but I just don't like it. So I had already decided to replace it and get a stem.

I then spent all day going around finding sprockets and stems but nothing really popped out. I found a S&M X man or something in red, and a S&M Enduro in red, but I already have an Enduro. IIRC the pair was about 150 quid, so a lot. Especially for something I already have. And I didn't want to overdo it on red either.

What I wanted was a Profile stem. But none in red ffs. After spending hours upon hours searching I found a pair. Gold Profile, front loader.

(https://i.imgur.com/nVxyFAt.png)

Again, I wanted something different (gold and front loading and profile). The ONLY concession I had to make in the end was this.

(https://i.imgur.com/a3Qdyjz.png)

In the fact it is a 25t.

However, this turned out to be by far the cheapest combo. Mostly because I added both to my cart on Source for 115 quid, and it then popped up with a 10 pound off voucher. So 105 all in, which was the cheapest combo I have looked at all day.

Obviously being U.S made helped make the decision too.

Just noticed. Apparently Imperial sprockets are 22mm max. I will need to send that to my pal to machine out to 24.

Normally I would be pissed at this news, but I have a pair of these and one needs machining to 14mm, so I will send them both down together.

(https://i.imgur.com/t0BBL7k.png)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 02, 2022, 11:55 PM
Nice, they will pop and hold together on the build. It's a bling ting  fistblump
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 03, 2022, 12:04 AM
I also took advantage of Sources sale today.
Sano detangler, Sano upper cable and Odyssey G3 lower cable for the Hangover. I wanted the Sano set up from day 1.
Odyssey G3 and slick cable for the Hellcat. Less than 65 notes and free shipping.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 03, 2022, 12:44 AM
Yeah I'm digging prices at the moment tbh. I guess the lockdown crash  has happened now and things are back to normal so they have to make it worth buying stuff.

Biggest score here was the frame though. I noticed about 5 shops hadbit for sale but as soon as I bought it they all went out of stock. even 4 down were selling it. So I guess that's why the delay (coming tomorrow should have been Friday) and a lot of shops selling 4 down stock all do the same thing. I like source though, as their free socks are the shit. Really good quality nicely made socks.

Plus the half price headset was banging too as I needed one.

Funny thing is when I built Manuel some guy on the BMX forum said it would look shit with yellow grips and a red seat, failing to consider that red white and yellow are the S&M colours ffs.

Looks even better now with the red pedals hahahaha.

My Metal is dark, mean etc. I want something bright and happy man


Talking of happy..... Weighed myself earlier. I am now 16 stone. So total weight loss is closing to 3st.

13 was my ideal weight for most of my adult life, bit I'll take 14 if I can get there.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 03, 2022, 12:55 AM
I was happy with my haul but will be getting stickers because I am a cheapskate  :LolLolLolLol:
Congrats on the weight loss, that's impressive. I haven't hit the scales for over a year, not sure I want to either.

Yeah, your build, your rules  Company colours always work,  fistblump
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Mikku on October 03, 2022, 11:12 AM
I don't log on for a few days and what happens??? You decide to ride again AND build another bike!!! LMFAO!!! :2funny:

As always, am looking forward to following the build. :daumenhoch:

Congrats on the weight loss btw. :4_17_5:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 03, 2022, 12:35 PM
It's here  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/zllqETC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QjA8IjL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fZQ1n2J.jpg)

Needs a good clean. There's black bits all over it. Messy factory lol.

(https://i.imgur.com/PnW7J5m.jpg)

Headset and stickers.

(https://i.imgur.com/cfSoyI7.jpg)

And back to waiting for more parts lol.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 03, 2022, 02:41 PM
OK let's talk about my idea for making the brake plate look nice and clean.

I wanted it at the bottom, but with a 25t that will not be possible. So I am going to put it under the rear stays. However, I DO NOT want a ugly frigging nut sticking out the top.

So basically I have one of these.

(https://i.imgur.com/2ZEMJ6D.jpg?1)

They are used on race bikes. Sadly it's not a TI one as I bought that because the other one was too short. So what I need to do is drill a 6mm hole through the brake mount on the rear stay, then enlargen that hole (I think it's 8mm, but I will vernier the crap out of it) and  then nothing sticks out. It is threaded, but it has a allen slot inside it. At which point I will need to cut this bolt down here...

(https://i.imgur.com/XlFSZ5f.png)

Which should leave it looking clean AF, with nothing sticking out.

Obviously I had trouble doing that on my road bike, because I had no access for a drill. However, in this instance the bigger hole needs to be on the top so it will be a piece of piss.

For the cable stop I am going to use one of these.

(https://i.imgur.com/6ECSCVX.jpg)

Which I managed to find yesterday. It was the M4 screws I couldn't bloody find. Hence my needle in a haystack comment. However, I did find a bag of these.

(https://i.imgur.com/7LjDSI6.jpg)

I can't vernier them as the batteries are dead in it ffs. However, I am pretty certain they are M4, just longer. Which I will take. I will drill a hole and tap it later in some plexi or something and test it.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 03, 2022, 05:27 PM
The scary part is done. God I HATE doing these things.

(https://i.imgur.com/UpFl37S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tTEvS9p.jpg)

The bridge will be a piece of piss, because I can actually get straight clear access to it.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Mikku on October 04, 2022, 09:58 AM
Frame's looking good mate! Much better than fine dining! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 04, 2022, 02:05 PM
Oh I do enjoy fine dining, but yeah, not a patch on a new bike  :LolLolLolLol:

Nothing has arrived today. PO were on strike on and off, so I would imagine there will be delays.

To be fair I do need to go back home any way. Not been home since I got back from holiday, I just came straight over to mum's where it all gets delivered so I can get it out of the way. Am going home tomorrow, where a few parts are. Namely the tyres that need a good scrub and the brake lever, seat and post. I also have some wiring work to do there fitting network sockets that I promised I would do 4 years ago (to myself) so I can get the hell off of wireless.

So I guess riding it by the end of this week wasn't realistic any way  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 04, 2022, 02:39 PM
Well just as I was about to give up Yodel rocked up  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/VyKZDxy.jpg)

Not going to use the bar ends on the grips as I found these.

(https://i.imgur.com/CPMpqUq.jpg)

Don't want to use alloy ones on riders any more. They just get smashed to bits and damage walls you lean them on (like in house walls).
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Mikku on October 05, 2022, 11:16 AM
Yodel?!? I had to look that up because my first thought was this:-
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 05, 2022, 03:05 PM
haha no usually you see the van, go outside and have to yodel up the street whilst they look around confused and just get back in the van and F off.  :LolLolLolLol:

They should call it whistle, as you may as well when it comes to any chance of getting your parcel  :LolLolLolLol:

That said I can understand the frustration. RM are dick bags.

Any way, more completely unnecessary stuff. Firstly I am getting along fine with a 200mm seat post. Mostly thanks to the meds (I can actually get back up off the seat on my Metal now). So I got this.

(https://i.imgur.com/YMoKxDd.jpg)

I also went all spoiled kid and got these. That said they were on sale for 26 quid each, which IMO is cheap. It's a lot less than 40.

(https://i.imgur.com/Bvpj2ZU.jpg)

To be fair I have wanted a set for ages, and this will be the last modern bike I will ever build. Hence the splurge on posh parts.

This is the lever I will be using. Again, top drawer.

(https://i.imgur.com/8Rqox3W.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 06, 2022, 01:03 PM
Well I had an idea. Usually ideas get expensive  :LolLolLolLol:

I don't want to have to have the sprocket drilled. It's giving me anxiety. So basically a 19mm set of cranks would be ideal. However, one problem... The only cranks I have that are 19mm are 8 spline. IMO not fitting of a bike of this calibre. So, I was thinking about buying some Profiles. Then I realised I have a set on my STA. Problem is the STA is American BB, and I don't have any cups to fit bearings into to be able to put the Eclat cranks on it. But hang on, yes I do ! the 2hip Root Down I just stripped has those cups in it !


So yeah, I am going to fit the Profiles to the S&M, and put the Eclat on the STA. Just saves drilling out the sprocket and potentially ruining it (because there is a step around the hole that would end up awfully thin). And plus, they are US made Profile, so perfect :D
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 07, 2022, 10:14 AM
Change of plan again. A set of Demolition Medial V3 came up on Ebay. He wanted 40 quid. They are super strong, and 19mm. Tatty, though.

(https://i.imgur.com/vb21aBb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nlrQszZ.jpg)

But as tatty as they are I don't see any dents or gouges. After doing some digging it appears they were made in several colours.

(https://i.imgur.com/2QQfsvC.jpg)

White being one. I am pretty sure I have a black Demolition decal from the brakes I bought. Any way, yeah, didn't want to spent 230 quid on the same thing pretty much (Revolt) so I got those. Then did the final order from Source.

(https://i.imgur.com/NIbeXYg.png)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 07, 2022, 12:11 PM
A pic of them in white...

(https://i.imgur.com/uX7zOM8.png)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 11, 2022, 07:06 PM
Well I got over a day early. Pretty much everything has arrived. Checked over the Demo cranks and physically they are absolutely perfect. Axle comes out very easy, no dents at all just a small crease in the back of the pedal boss in one side which is miles away from the threads.

Sadly that was where my luck ended. Tried to strip them and nothing happened. So I cracked out the belt file and within about ten seconds my last belt snapped. *sigh*. It's crap like this I wanted to avoid. Lost my rag for a bit, but have ordered (hopefully) stronger better belts that won't fly off after ten seconds.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 11, 2022, 10:24 PM
F me you can tell when you are having one of those days... Loaded up the plotter with the blue vinyl and it chewed it up  :LolLolLolLol:

That said it was crap vinyl, because I could not find the good 3M stuff in blue at a size that would not cost me a oner. So I cut it in the cosmic black (it has glitter in) that the cranks decals were done from. I then sat and sorted through it all. Shit job, but someone has to do it.

(https://i.imgur.com/QJuS7zu.jpg)

Might start tackling the fork tomorrow, but when my mind is in this state everything I touch will turn to shit. We'll see.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 12, 2022, 01:51 PM
Rear wheel needs to be taken apart, cleaned and greased etc. Will get to that soon, not going to rush right now.

(https://i.imgur.com/QQ5TbtZ.jpg)

Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 12, 2022, 03:20 PM
Brake conversion is complete.

(https://i.imgur.com/0u0v9yt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/G4uM3PQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7pXxkH0.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 12, 2022, 08:20 PM
Well I had a much better day today. In fact, I smashed it. Got the brake conversion finished without a single mark, the Ti shank fitted fantastic and it looks super. I also got my order of really strong belts for the file, and didn't lose a single one taking off all that powder coat. It only took about 5 minutes too. Got down the etch primer and I am really happy with how they are coming along. Will give them a sand tomorrow and put some white base down. The axle and bolts scrubbed up nice too. Deliberating now whether to order Ti bolts tbh...

Any way, got this done earlier. Very happy I did not have these refinished now. Far too nice tbh.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ravxqcx.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 12, 2022, 10:27 PM
Right, cranks.

(https://i.imgur.com/WFk9dQb.jpg)

Fork.

(https://i.imgur.com/zxEufTH.jpg)

Hopefully I can get the white base down tomorrow on both.

I also found out why Demolition cranks are so eye wateringly expensive. Because they are brick shit houses. Not only that, but the axle is hollow. Which Profile want over ?100 for. They are also threaded for a removal tool, instead of having to just smash them off YOLO style like Profiles. Which I always absolutely hated. The hardware needs a quick blow over, but again like the arms physically they are all perfect.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Mikku on October 12, 2022, 11:59 PM
Coming along nicely! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 13, 2022, 12:39 AM
Coming along nicely! :daumenhoch:

Thanks. Cranks are not going to be perfect as trying to remove all of the powder would have lost me all of the welds, but they'll still be really nice.

I still have a ?25 can of clear coat. Proper smack button 2k. Don't know if it'll still work but I might try using that. Will give a better finish and be super hard wearing.

Was a bit paranoid about throwing bright coloured stuff on it but tbh that's exactly what I wanted. The Metal is cool and all but a bit too muted and cool. you know? What the 99% would want.

I really miss my Proper sometimes with its wild colour scheme that worked well. Was much happier to ride.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 13, 2022, 02:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jJwWxms.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mu7T14N.jpg)

Good enough. 1 footer. Once the clear goes on and I put the helicopter tape down the front sides and decals they'll be more than good enough.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 13, 2022, 03:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TdsZ7yK.jpg)

Light wet sand then I can begin masking up for the pin stripes.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 13, 2022, 07:56 PM
Looking good man !
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 13, 2022, 08:43 PM
I loved the fork before but god it looks so good in white.

Bugger me bikes are so bloody boring now.

I had an idea earlier. I've got this "helicopter tape" stuff. Given how severely rubbed the crank arms were I decided to design shapes to cover the outer faces. You'll barely see it and this stuff is as tough as nails. It's a bit of a dick to cut with the plotter but I got there eventually.

Mate shipped out the sonic decals first class, but postal strikes eh. Ungrateful twats they are.

Ah well. I have wet sanding and a F load of masking to do in the meantime.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 14, 2022, 05:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/XQaTW0U.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SmFol7i.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qNjR5hN.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 15, 2022, 03:54 PM
OK the Sonic decals came today. I must have been rushing when I gave him the dimensions, as they are a lot smaller than I had planned. Totally my fault, because when I'm bad like this my brain just doesn't work properly. So I had to redo the "sega" Demolition logos smaller. Which was an absolute nightmare to weed out. I ruined one, had a brown pants moment where I thought I would not have enough vinyl but thankfully I managed to get two out. TBH this is probably a better way to do it, as it means I can have both Sonic and the Demolition decal in line.

The fork is now outside hardening, the clear went down about an hour ago. Just went out to put a fourth wet coat onto the face of the crank arms (the bit that gets all the wear) and the fork looks lovely. So that is a relief. Will get some pics later when I bring it all in.

All I have left to do now is mask off the fork once it has dried and paint the steerer. My life is a lot harder now that mum had fake grass put down. I can't go anywhere near it with paint or ETC, as it wouldn't grow out.

The seat post I ordered is taking forever. I remember I ordered something from there before and apparently they don't hold the stock. So it is saying 28-30 October FFS. I would cancel but I am 10 days in now. Problem is without a seat on the bike I can't really build it. My stand was sacrificed long ago for painting on, and I don't have a spare pivotal post here. So, I just grabbed a close out seat/[post combo.

(https://i.imgur.com/iSMnP7Z.png)

It was 13 quid delivered. I don't see myself keeping it on there, but it will do for now. At the worst I will have to bring over the 300mm Blank Pivotal post I have and paint it gold. But I am hopeful the KHE one will arrive.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 15, 2022, 04:40 PM
Cranks.

(https://i.imgur.com/AiETbgh.jpg)

Fork.

(https://i.imgur.com/myv7ezw.jpg)

Just need to paint the steerer red tomorrow. And blow over the hardware.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 15, 2022, 08:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6ksWE7u.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rRK6qCP.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Mikku on October 16, 2022, 10:21 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I love your builds!! I take so long to do anything, procrastinating over this, that and the other but you just get on with things. It's inspiring!! :bow:

Forks and cranks came out amazing btw! :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 16, 2022, 02:34 PM
Thanks dude. The cranks are far from perfect. The worst part is around the bottom of the pedal bosses. Had I continued on I would have ground off the welds. The weather just isn't at a stage where I would want to sit out on the back step for hours now. Plus the left side arm has a dent in the pedal boss at the back. Which is absolutely fine, as the pedal thread is 1/2" away and the pedal stops before that. I could have cut it off and it would have been fine, but again it's all time. Time I don't want to dedicate right now because it's getting cold and I am fighting the weather continually.

They're very clean. And they have paint on. I also fitted helicopter tape down the faces so the paint won't wear off. So yeah, they'll do. It's not a show bike and was never supposed to be.

Just finishing my coffee now (late start but at least I am sleeping now) and then I am going to jump in the loft and grab the new bolts etc. Then at some point today I will mask the fork and blow the steerer tube over red in case you can see it through the stem. Weather doesn't matter on that as I can literally walk it straight in the house and set it down in here to dry.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 16, 2022, 03:44 PM
Steerer tube is now red and drying. Had a little fun....

(https://i.imgur.com/WVna73R.jpg)

Absolutely gorgeous. Those pedals are the best fiver I have ever spent. The ones in the pic were solid red, but these are trans, which just pops even more.

(https://i.imgur.com/3Qdc3WW.jpg)

I am now finally reaching the part of this that I enjoy.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 17, 2022, 12:00 AM
Well that escalated quickly  :LolLolLolLol:

Decided to have a wrench. I then realised that I had put the cable stop a bit too close to the seat tube.. Uh oh..... After moving the brake plate away from it (it was in the as close as possible position) and a lot of tinkering.. Well it still didn't work  :LolLolLolLol:

It was at this point I realised I could take the stop off, thread the other hole and flip it around. At this point it was perfect. Phew. The pads literally just make the rim, and this wasn't helped by the fact I didn't buy a half link chain. But, it all works lovely, and well, it works.

So I built out the rest, but wasn't happy with the freecoaster. It felt gritty and wasn't engaging all that well. So, I took it all apart, cleaned it up, smothered the internals in fresh grease and rebuilt it. It too is now much better. The larger bearing is gritty, though, so I will probably replace it as it is annoying. Like, I am enjoying the silence as the song once said. And I can hear it.

There are a couple of things I need to do. Obviously I need a seat on it, which is bloody aggravating (I fooking hate drop shippers  :angrysoapbox: ) and it needs a split crown race. The fork is tapered, and the one I got with the headset doesn't fit. So right now that is just a bit cobbled together.

(https://i.imgur.com/7Ghgyed.jpg)

Obviously totally crap night time pics.

(https://i.imgur.com/6Hy8Xpa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/e0OTr9P.jpg)

The bar pad is going too. I just threw it on there. Kinda sucks that pickings are so bad right now, as TBH that wheel shall be going too (the rear. Polished does not suit it at all, and a front polished wheel wouldn't do it justice). But like I said, right now there is hardly anything around. I would also love a gold brake, but one doesn't exist with that sort of clearance and reach. That however is fixable, if I can find the right spray paint. Might change the brake cable outer for a white one, too. I think I have some....
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 17, 2022, 12:10 AM
Argh bollocks. I knew I had a good idea for that rear wheel !

If those holes go all the way through it needs shiny red ribbon like the Pro Class. Will look a lot better then. Will take it back off tomorrow and have a prod.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 17, 2022, 03:42 PM
Right. I looked at the wheel earlier. The holes don't go through. There is another wall under there.

It's rock and hard place really. I buy a red or gold wheel, the brake destroys it. So I think I am going to leave it be. If a nice polished front wheel comes along I might get one, but doubt it.

In other news the seat and post combo shipped today. Apparently so did the fooking gold one  :LolLolLolLol:

That said I am not complaining. It intrigues me how steep the front end is on this, how short the rear end is and how lovely and tall the bars stand. Can't wait to give her a good rip.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 18, 2022, 08:19 PM
Well I suppose in future if something is taking forever to arrive just order something else. Sure enough the fooker will turn up first !  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/oSzBfDQ.jpg)

Was almost worth the wait.

(https://i.imgur.com/rEdYLiN.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: brettypeeps on October 18, 2022, 09:18 PM
Looks great  fistblump

I am not normally a fan of Camo tyres but they work well on that  explosion
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 18, 2022, 11:32 PM
Thanks dude.

I was torn for a while on whether to get a red rear wheel. The problem is that after 40 odd years of BMX I know that coloured rear wheels will look like shit after a few rides.

There's also the fact that the rear wheel on the bike is a 300 quid wheel, and having played with it I've come to the conclusion before even riding it that I'm going to like it.

TBH the Metal is a similar story. I had black wheels on that and within a few rides the rear was wearing badly on the braking surface.

So I put on polished wheels. Which imo are the best wheels to use. They look almost as good as chrome, but won't peel, and you can get the brake rub off very easily.

So, with front wheels being much cheaper than rears, especially freecoaster wheels I am going to either but a polished front wheel or get one built. Source have stock of the Fly Lunar Lite which is the same but not as strong, so I think I'm going to get one built. It won't look as nice as red wheels or gold, but they won't turn to shit after a few rides.

Sadly talking of riding it. I can't . Turns out the bellend I bought the fork from removed the fookin crown race, even though it's specific ONLY to that fork. So I have to get one made, or I'll destroy them.

Ah well, patience is a virtue.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 18, 2022, 11:34 PM
Looks great  fistblump

I am not normally a fan of Camo tyres but they work well on that  explosion

Yeah I'm also a coloured tyre hater but I just wanted to put lots of colour on it.

My mate calls them the seagull poop tyres lol.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 18, 2022, 11:59 PM
Yeah, decision has been made.

(https://i.imgur.com/QmWnkz4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/NyomL21.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bztKk12.png)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 19, 2022, 03:49 PM
I like, I also like the red front wheel too. Nearly bought one for my Hellcat. What put me off was matching it up with a rear too.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 19, 2022, 04:03 PM
You can get half decent red rear wheels.

Source does their own branded Jet, and unless you are hercules a single wall rim should be fine. They're on sale ATM, too.

https://www.sourcebmx.com/products/jet-bmx-rear-generate-cassette-wheel-rhd?variant=20050419220591

There was also a Cinema for 150 but they are all sold out now. TBH a single wall is fine for pretty much everything. I just don't want to wear off the braking surface as it tends to go all patchy and nasty. Silver wheels will always be the best for keeping them decent looking, and by the time I had a freecoaster built on the only red rim I can find now (a 50 quid Proper) it wouldn't be worth doing. TBH that was mostly why I removed the ODY Quadrants from the Metal (they were black) and put the Haro SATA on it. Because the worst I would ever need to do is just magic eraser it off.

The main thing here was building another rider. If I wasn't riding it that Jet wheel would have gone on there. Thing is in my mind I need to justify spending what I have on a rider. Meaning shorter TT, far shorter rear end (it's over an inch shorter in the ass) steeper head tube, taller bars, freecoaster.

The Kizz was made using Rebel contender geometry for the mid school lot. Which is fine, but it feels like a mid school bike. I just fancied a complete switch up tbh, and at the end of the day if I am spending what I have I want to ride it 100%.

Good thing is if I hate the FC I can just switch the wheels out onto the Metal and vice versa, without ruining how either of them look.

But yeah, after all that work and nailing the amount of white and gold I do want matching rims.

BTW didn't go into the cost breakdown of the front wheel.... The rim was 79.99. No getting around that. However, the front hub was on sale for 22 quid and the spokes were like 19. Throw in a free build and yeah, it wasn't bad at all. Another thing that bugged me was the black spokes on the front wheel. Problem is black spokes are the cheapest, so will pretty much come on any ready built wheel.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 20, 2022, 03:32 PM
OK so I need a crown race made because the bellend who sold me the fork 14 months ago removed it, and it's specific to this fork.

(https://i.imgur.com/eek7RZV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/pKsL8wG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/g8B2PVg.png)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on October 20, 2022, 04:50 PM
Yes, hate it when stuff like this happens. I bought a lovely nos built set of wheels about 18 months ago. Big city rims on Shimano DX hubs (the black mid school version) at a great price. The cassette was missing a few bits including the most important lock ring. The seller did find a few spacers for me and forwarded them on which was cool. I had to pay a score for a lock ring and have it shipped from Portugal. I was still happy with the total cost I guess. Nice wheels for my Cannondale one day.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 20, 2022, 08:46 PM
I got the Stay Strong one on there  :LolLolLolLol:

It measured 29.05. Not the 28 I thought it did. So it was 1mm too small to go over the taper. So I put on the heat proof gloves, put the belt file inside it and rotated it until I had taken enough out (took 3 attempts) before smashing the bastud on.

I doubt I will get time to ride it now, but at least when I am ready hopefully it should be too. Got some family stuff going on now (not good). If the wheel arrives tomorrow as it should I should be able to get some decent pics mind. Not going to change the brake cable to white now. I tried lining some up with the frame but it stuck out too much. I think yellow would suit it better, but again that's just cosmetic stuff.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 21, 2022, 01:42 PM
Bloody hell. I think Source have elves  :LolLolLolLol:

I ordered the wheel pretty late on Weds. By the time I had got up it had shipped. I then started crapping myself, thinking they'd sent it in bits. Opened the box and there were some spokes in a bag. I totally crapped myself. Then I realised there were only a few. Took the wheel out, and thankfully it was whole  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/kflp4Aj.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/MCR52yG.jpg)

Needs a good clean now. There's red grease everywhere from continually having to take it apart. But, it's done ! woohoo. Will do the proper pics soon.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 21, 2022, 03:59 PM
Clean and pose. Before it pisses down again.

2019 S&M NBD Dave Krone/Kareem Williams signature frame.Flat red. Converted to brake.
Demolition Concorde V2 fork, painted white with pin stripes and custom decals
Stay Strong headset red
Profile Acoustic stem gold
Volume Mad Dog bars in confetti finish
SNAFU Anchor lever RH
Demolition Axes grips red
S&M Hoder bar ends
Odyssey SLIC cable red
KHE pivotal seat post. Gold, 200mm
Bone Deth Spider mid padded seat
Demolition Medial V3 cranks in white. Hollow 19mm axle
Demolition Axes bottom bracket, 19mm
Profile Imperial sprocket. Gold, 25t
Black Label Graduate pedals, trans red
Front wheel - Fly Lunar Lite laced to Fly Classic front hub. Stainless spokes.
Rear wheel - Fly Lunar laced to BSD Westcoaster freecoaster. Stainless spokes. Vocal red nuts.
Cult Vans red camo tyres F&R. Cult rim strips.
Federal 2.4" tubes
United valve caps
Mission 990 brake plate
Mission Cease brake with Kool Stop pads

(https://i.imgur.com/Y2oUUJY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Rh7q13d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ATku6WG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i6cLIdB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3MAwIZ6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/svRYHwp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OGEV62R.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/03Dqk0F.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/An6Q9yW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fuciWE4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Vzos3dU.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 21, 2022, 07:06 PM
OK. Given this has been a "try to make it all killer" build I decided to invest a tiny bit more. AKA, pissing money up the wall  :LolLolLolLol:

I hate the top cap. I hate those 1/4" drive top caps in general as unless you are really lucky they end up crooked and look like dog shit. It's also a pain to do it up, given I don't have a 1/4" arm. Only 1/2 and the very small one. So I have to dig around for a tiny adapter.

So I got an S&M one. That will look good no matter what.

(https://i.imgur.com/CWE0TWb.jpg)

Currently there is no issue with the brake. It pulls like you would pulling a mugger off your granny, but as the pads wear it won't work. This is because of two reasons. Reason one, I put the stop a little bit too close to the seat tube. However, that would never be an issue if I were able to custom make the straddle. Sadly it's balls. Literally.

(https://i.imgur.com/3M7jpJk.png)

And a barrel cable will not fit. So you can't change that at all, unless you have knarps.

(https://i.imgur.com/Pganh2V.jpg)

So change it I will. I can then bring the whole hanger back, leaving tons more room for pullage. Talking of which... I tried a white cable against the frame but I didn't like it. I like how the red sticks out against the bars. So I decided to keep it red. What I did do, though, was buy a proper linear cable. The other one was 3 quid, and is not. I prefer linear.

(https://i.imgur.com/o5b9cOB.jpg)

Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Mikku on October 22, 2022, 10:55 AM
Clean and pose. Before it pisses down again.

2019 S&M NBD Dave Krone/Kareem Williams signature frame.Flat red. Converted to brake.
Demolition Concorde V2 fork, painted white with pin stripes and custom decals
Stay Strong headset red
Profile Acoustic stem gold
Volume Mad Dog bars in confetti finish
SNAFU Anchor lever RH
Demolition Axes grips red
S&M Hoder bar ends
Odyssey SLIC cable red
KHE pivotal seat post. Gold, 200mm
Bone Deth Spider mid padded seat
Demolition Medial V3 cranks in white. Hollow 19mm axle
Demolition Axes bottom bracket, 19mm
Profile Imperial sprocket. Gold, 25t
Black Label Graduate pedals, trans red
Front wheel - Fly Lunar Lite laced to Fly Classic front hub. Stainless spokes.
Rear wheel - Fly Lunar laced to BSD Westcoaster freecoaster. Stainless spokes. Vocal red nuts.
Cult Vans red camo tyres F&R. Cult rim strips.
Federal 2.4" tubes
United valve caps
Mission 990 brake plate
Mission Cease brake with Kool Stop pads

(https://i.imgur.com/Y2oUUJY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Rh7q13d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ATku6WG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i6cLIdB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3MAwIZ6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/svRYHwp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OGEV62R.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/03Dqk0F.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/An6Q9yW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fuciWE4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Vzos3dU.jpg)

Those tyres clash with the flowers! It's making my eyes hurt!! :D

Apart from that, me likey! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 22, 2022, 03:22 PM
Haha good I hope they fall out  :LolLolLolLol:

It's amazing how much this build divides opinion tbh. Like everyone seems to hate colour these days. Amazing really.

The good thing is if people hate it and it divides opinion like that then I definitely got it right.

It's happy. I've built quite a few now that are not, so it was time.

Got a load to do at home now. Like, home home. Need more wall sockets for the network and my server so have to do that, and then I have a big upgrade for my cinema system planned and got too, but again needs labour. Nothing stock here!

That said when I go back I can finish it up and ride it back, because I just lugged about 30kg of equipment up the bloody stairs.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: pickle on October 22, 2022, 10:02 PM
Those tyres need to go in the sea!
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Mikku on October 26, 2022, 12:01 PM
Those tyres need to go in the sea!

 :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: pickle on October 26, 2022, 06:55 PM
You know I'm right though  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on November 03, 2022, 01:02 PM
Will get this finished this weekend. Had a bit of a nightmare with a new AV cabinet.
Title: Re: S&M NBD.
Post by: Midschoolfool on November 05, 2022, 06:41 PM
Ugh.

The knarps did indeed work, and the brake is now absolutely evil. Problem is the top cap. Demolition used M25, and even though their listings for the Concorde say it is M24 it is not. So the S&M top cap doesn't fit. Another nice upgrade for the Kink  :LolLolLolLol:

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