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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Mid School Ref Stickies => Topic started by: condor96 on February 04, 2010, 09:06 AM
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due to popular demand by quite a few people, im putting up this guide to i.d. all big daddies. ill be putting up alot here, and im sure ill add more as time goes on.
but here goes :daumenhoch:
/////a little history. the big daddy is the signature frame of the god of flatland, kevin jones. throughout the early 90s,kevin was very elusive and really the only place to see him ride was to buy a dorkin vid and see all the new stuff he was doing,along with all the other top riding by the other plywood hoods, but alot of people really wanted a flatland bike with his name on it. somewhere in 92 peregrine got together with kevin for a signature frame. the prototype came out very similar to craig lepaige's (also plywood hood alumni) signature peregrine frameset.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC13030.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/KevinJonesPeregrineLepage.jpg)
the kevin jones peregrine frameset never went beyond the prototype.
late summer/early fall 92, hoffman runs the idea across jones about a signature frameset and a spot on the team. the deal with jones on the team is there is no deal,meaning he doesnt do the sprocket jockey shows,b.s. contests or even be in hoffman bikes videos, kevin designs the framesets and gets a royalty off everyone sold. kevin jones and brett downs design and draw up the bluprint for the big daddy on kevins parents pool table. the design was 50/50. blueprints get to hoffman by nov 92.
early 93, kevin is first riding around and spotted on his black prototype big daddy.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC11177.jpg)
chase g on his black prototype
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/chase_bs_emaus.jpg)
////summer of 93,production frames are available,in chrome or green. made by s.e.(only one batch of s.e. made big daddies were built),no serial numbers, 3/16th rear dropouts,two cable guides, the "marlboro" box bb wishbone and the coaster brake bracket on the bottom of the chainstays. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY AND I DO MEAN ANY PICS OR SCANS AT ALL OF THESE FIRST GEN BIG DADDY DECALS,PLEASE PLEASE CONTACT ME.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10527.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10772.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10792.jpg)
frame
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/bigdaddy2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/DSC00336.jpg)
forks, 1/4 dropouts (notice how the bend is curved on the legs compared to ramp room forks that are more kinked)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/100_0233.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/100_0303.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/100_0317.jpg)
day smith in ride bmx
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/DaySmith_smithD93.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/BDdecals.jpg)
bmx plus test
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/scan0002-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/scan0001-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/scan0003-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/scan0087-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10715.jpg)
ridebmx uk
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/Ride10_2a.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/Ride10_5a.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/Ride10_7a.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/Ride10_8a.jpg)
mirra on one in 93
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/koc93md.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/mirrakoc93.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/jhkj.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/mirranohander.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10771.jpg)
chase g in 93
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC11289.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/b93r4gc.jpg)
matt gipson on one, bs comp sept 95
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10758.jpg)
here are some others. also if you watch in madd matt you can see that in some parts alot of the team was still using s.e. made stuff with later decals at the time as production had not yet moved in house into the ramp room.
jay on an s.e. with later decals
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC11183.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10504.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10840.jpg)
kevin jones in 95 on an s.e. with later decals
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/kjonesridenov19951copy8ga.jpg)
kevin again. 93
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10818.jpg)
////may 94,production starts in house in the ramp room.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC11272.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/hoffmanramproom2a.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10837.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10844.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10846.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10915.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10991.jpg)
the big daddies were a primary focus during the summer of 94 as alot of people wanted to get their hands on one. very similar to the s.e. made bds. rear dropouts got upsized to 1/4 inch, and lost a cable guide with new decals. the very very earliest ramp room bds came with the coaster brake bracket on the bottom of the chainstay.i think this is where the misconception on s.e. vs ramp room big daddies came from. i dont think these came with serials (if somebody has info on it lmk)
this is a hoffman bikes file photo taken in early 94.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/bdfilepicse.jpg)
frame
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/2857_71708265993_711120993_1816672_.jpg)
(the one in the back)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/DSCN0525.jpg)
this is when they started coming with a B4xxxx serial number on the inside of the left dropout(even tho this gen ran until mid 95,they still got a B4xxxx serial number), the coaster brake mount went onto the seatstays instead of the chainstays. forks got a kink on the leg instead of a curve. colors for ramp room stuff is almost endless as ive seen loads of different colors.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/b40154.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/b40154a.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/b40154b.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/b40154c.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/BD1.jpg)
feb 95 ride bmx ad
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/RideMagFeb95.jpg)
spring 95 ad (also kevin in the backround on his prototype)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P8049822.jpg)
95-96 product guide (shows mid 95 product)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/hb9596PG3.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/hb9596PG4.jpg)
day
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC11833.jpg)
this ad is later in 95,but its still showing earlier product.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10430.jpg)
/////mid 95. the big daddy started getting some updates. i call these the "transition" models,2 different versions and it was a running changeover that happened fast. this is when they stopped putting serials on the frames and the "marlboro" bb box went away to the rounded wishbone. the earliest of the two didnt have a coaster bracket and it was the last of the earlier decals as the new ones were being phased in.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/whitebd.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/whitebd7.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/whitebd2.jpg)
then right after that the other version of the transition model came out, with the new decals, and the coaster bracket back with the rounded wishbone,but the last of the curved rear dropouts.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/Picture153.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/dsc01124_copy0_lg.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/95bigdaddyred.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/IMG_3519.jpg)
////early fall 95. october 95, the last ramp room version of the big daddy comes out, with the straight edge rear dropouts.
this is the earliest pic i have of a team rider on one,matt gipson november 95 bs comp in daytona (notice the straight edge drops)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10802.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7239705.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7239709.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7239710.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/Big_Daddy_111.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/bdyellow.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/DSC_0399.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/big_daddy_complete_1_lg.jpg)
/////mid 96. ramp room production is shut down and all bikes are now made in taiwann. started getting serials again starting with a hkf. hb stamped ht gusset,14mm rear dropouts, rounded instead of capped stay ends with a slightly different shape of dropout. fork legs got a curve instead of the kink. dropouts were 3/8 axle slots but a slightly different design.
97 product guide (showcasing mid 96 product)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/1997HoffmanBikes7.jpg)
mid 96 ad
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P6249600.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/mid96bd.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/mid96bddrops.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/mid96bdfork.jpg)
///early 97. last version of the bd. the big daddy stays almost the same. serial now starts with a kf, and the forks get a rounded bottom fork leg with the big dropouts with 14mm axle slots. in the mid 97 product guide they are listed as the classic series,a limited re-release of 96 models (even tho they are slightly different from 96s)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/100_2011.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/97bdcinn.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/BigDaddy06.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/97bd.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/2499880574_38cec3be3e_b.jpg)
there you go, that should about do it. hope it helps anybody id a frame.... or just enjoy a good read :daumenhoch:
if anybody has anything to add, a pic or anything........... if anybody has any articles or test especially, please please add :4_17_5:
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I just enjoyed a good read, that was spot on! must have taken ages, well done bro. Someone should sticky this up
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I just enjoyed a good real, that was spot on! must have taken ages, well done bro. Someone should sticky this up
x2, really enjoyed that, smart post :4_17_5:
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X3 top read & info there :daumenhoch: You Da Man!!!
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Thanks for posting this Adam. Great information.
Wasn't Kevin woking on a frame back in 90 when he was riding for Wilkerson? Like a shorter version of the Riot?
I had a Big Daddy a few years ago. It had the coaster tab under the chainstay like the SE made frames, but with 1/4" thick dropouts and one cable guide.
This is the only pic of it. (the purple one in back)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h230/bigal91z/DSCN0525.jpg)
I also have a first gen SE made frame with a serial number.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h230/bigal91z/DSCN1159.jpg)
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figured you would like this post ;)
i think kevin might have been working on something with wilkerson when he was on the team, but im unsure of if anything came of it.
that purple one is a bit of an oddity ??? probably a very early ramp room. does it have a serial? ramp room stuff seemed to get tweaked every other day sometimes.
i dont think that serial on your s.e. is factory. of the 5 total ive seen in my life, yours is the only one ive seen with a serial. i havent seen an s.e. condor with a serial either.
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Yop post that! loved reading about the Big Daddies and love those frame sets and decals :smitten:
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thanks for taking the time and putting all this info up condor 96 learned a few thing from this ;) the only other bit of info i wanted to know is about frame numbers and id'ing the dates :daumenhoch:
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Fantastic post!!!!!!! :) Helped me identify my pride and joy, everything adds up to an early ramp room build coaster mount on seatstay, upsized dropouts but no serial number ???
Has been powder coated at some point in its life could this of concealed the number?
Also looks strangely similar to the black bike pictured about half way down the thread and i am pretty sure the guy i bought it off (ebay) sent me a pic of it built up and it had a very similar set up. Was this you? or do you know where pic came from?
Bought it about two years ago with the intention of just building it up with some old bits i had lying around but when it came through the post i realized how good it was and its taken me till know to finish the build with parts that do it justice! Still want to change a few bits especially the bars but i am more than chuffed with it. Build was slightly hampered by a mk2 street beat oh and a house buy!
Think i might have some articles some where i will scourer my mags and post them up if i can find them.
Anyway thanks for post, great read!!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/u310/sweeney_023/IMG00330-20100207-2142.jpg)
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glad it helps :daumenhoch:
the serial could be concealed by powdercoat as the serials are not real deep and powder is thick.
i think that picture is one of almasterb's or rarman1's, i cant remember whos it is or if they still own it, i just used it because its a real good looking bike and pic :daumenhoch:
yeah, if you can find any articles in any mags, please post up :4_17_5:
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Sweet work fella - another great reference guide.
Thank you for taking the time to do it.
:daumenhoch:
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Good job that man :daumenhoch: friend of mine has a Chrome SE frameset, sure it has a serial, I'll ask him to check for me....?
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Excellent, excellent post, thanks!! Very informative.
Here's a better photo of my '93 found a while ago for just 30€.
Until the correct decals show up one day, i am going to use a set of 95 decals on it.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v196/Timo2Fresh/BigDaddy93/93_SE_bigDaddy002copy.jpg)
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Im stoked now I know what year my ride is. its the same as the white one with purple decals
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Hi Guys,
I love Big daddy's! I have a 95 ramp room s/n B40110, quite unique as it has a kind of gold smoked chrome affect? Does anyone know anything about this? I did speak with another dude on here that to had a smoked chrome one and our serial numbers where with in about 10.
Also my mate had an SE made big daddy which we only found out recently due to pictures of it, but unfortunately it was stolen back in about 1999 from Hackbridge in South london. Long shot but if anyone bought a chrome stickerless big daddy off someone moody round that way theres a big possability it was his. Bike theifs should be stoned in public!
D
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Hi I have a question about the BD decals. I've noticed on the 95 ones with the yellow flowers, some seem to be green flowers including the ones on my frame! theres a pic of black frame in this thread with green flowers as apposed to yellow. Is this mean't to be or is it discolouring of the sticker?
Dan
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Hi I have a question about the BD decals. I've noticed on the 95 ones with the yellow flowers, some seem to be green flowers including the ones on my frame! theres a pic of black frame in this thread with green flowers as apposed to yellow. Is this mean't to be or is it discolouring of the sticker?
Dan
they had quite a few different colorways for the decals. paint color choices were also very very numerous :daumenhoch:
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great info, well chuffed helped me identify mine, no serial number, two cable guides, round thinner dropouts, will post some pics soon, did anyone get old off the old decals?
kind regards
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great info, well chuffed helped me identify mine, no serial number, two cable guides, round thinner dropouts, will post some pics soon, did anyone get old off the old decals?
kind regards
its a priority currently in the works. its been very tough to be able to find any artwork or pictures of those decals but im recreating them :daumenhoch:
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Excellent I loved reading about all Hoffman stuff, thank you for taking the time :daumenhoch:
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graet info ! 8)
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Heres my sugar baby to big daddy reto project FOR SALE EARLY JUNE!!!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ac149/nosher70/myhoffman.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ac149/nosher70/26052011167.jpg)
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mine is an odd colour as well copper,it goes dull fairly quick but once polished turns brass/copper colour.
just started refreshing it today.
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I had one like that where the chrome was thin. Nearly half the frame was nickel coming through. It looked great polished, but would tarnish quickly.
I put this 93 together a year ago. It's a replica of the bike Kevin rode in "Wheelies".
The frame from Zippy back in 2008. Thanks Simon!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h230/bigal91z/df004444.jpg)
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nice replica mate 8)
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just applied some fresh decals,mines hasnt any chrome on the frame not anywhere just the forks.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/IMG_4268.jpg)
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this was on facebook earlier
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/z203/garran01/bigd_zps5382ed7b.jpg)
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Here's a quick pic of my Big Daddy
(http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac305/gordy80/Big%20Daddy%20Mk2/2eea45b1ffcb5ca82384e2604bcc2c0f_zpsbe546a78.jpg)
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My se made daddy
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Keep the forks under 24-7 guard!
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very nice mate,are those penegrine bars cut down ?
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Sure are....my wife bought them for my birthday in the 90's...got them home and cut the baby's down.....wife just laughed at me....was in to the Jesse p look....
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Some old pics of the daddy
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Last pic it had the cut q's.....other pics are building up in my moms kitchen....then my fav set up in my moms garden...that's my oldest daughter in the background...she is 25 this year....when she was a kid she rode the daddy when we went out together..
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Daddy
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Daddy
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Oops....carnt see my daughter.....but that's my old doberman....sorry the pics are dodgy..I'm new..!
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Very groovy pictures 8) is that the same set of forks thats been floating about in the US?
Here's another.......
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac244/skidmark_photo/9b2b40c228531f2a046fea6c365407c5_zps16806022.jpg)
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No bought frame and forks from custom riders new...only used the forks for a while then put my 91 ground master forks..then kore forks which are still on the bike...had the frame powder coated in late 95..used bike till 2001.. Then swopped to new bike...
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are you going to build it up to the same spec as in the old pics?
very cool if you can can those mk1 decals too 8)
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Always thinking of building up...would like to have it green again....have bought a nos odyssey cd...still have the cranks and one piece mks graphites...seat and post....perigrine clamp....you never know....I ride a yellow strowler now....keep hearing of a re -issue of the daddy......colony prody kinda thing...I hope so....oh still have the brakes...
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Dccatt- Thanks for sharing the old photos, really cool to see another 93 BD, the story and how you built her up ;)
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I've got an original green FF . Those pictures with original decals are priceless mate. Any chance you have close ups. I created my own based on everything I could find . Head tube badge still eludes me. Please contact me I'd love to share pics. Regards Shiznitme.
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Thought I'd add mine to this awesome site. '94. Think the FF once belonged to Olly. Much love went into this one. My favorite bike no question. Thanks for looking fellas.
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