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Title: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: jimwise68 on March 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
Had a brief discussion with Flaz last night about how things aren't selling at the moment (£1400 Skyway Grafs aside).

I got a bargain PK Ripper Looptail but my redline stuff has not had much interest and nor has his 400 crankset.

is this down to Redline stuff not being wanted or a general downturn in BMX prices or are people worrying about unnecessary spending in a dodgy economic climate?

Thoughts please?
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: wildwood1971 on March 19, 2008, 11:32 AM
I think its to do with a number of factors to be honest. Prices have gone through the roof lately and to me its turning into a rich man's game. I can't afford or justify the cost anymore. £250 for mx1000's is just silly.
I think also a lot of people are bracing them selves for a recession so naturally hobbies are the 1st thing to suffer in a bid to keep heads above water.

With the growing interest in old school you would expect demand to increase but i don't see that happening - i agree its harder to sell on parts than it was last year and i'm relatively new to the hobby, so i guess anyone that has have been into it for years would have noticed an even bigger change.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: munners on March 19, 2008, 11:33 AM
I just think people are keeping their stuff at the mo. There's hardly ever any 'really' nice bits and bobs that are in the for sale section these days. Always the same sort of gear ie DC 901's etc.

I also think that Redline f+f's are a bad seller. I think that GT's are too. Not sure why? :uglystupid2:

400's were a 'wanted' item about 2 months ago as a few people had Laserlite builds and they needed them. Maybe they have them now?

If there was a  GEN 1, TA, Kuwi Laserlite, Harry Leary, Ripper, Quad etc up for sale on here they would sell instantly.

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: dj_benice on March 19, 2008, 11:34 AM
Post xmas blues still, coupled with adrenaline junkies needing their hit of powder in the winter months, all back to usual come summer I reckon ;)
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: zed4130 on March 19, 2008, 11:35 AM
I think the prices have gone stupid, and its defo a rich mans game these days, im going to stick to my nuschool now, and leave the OS bikes to the rich and famous   :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: jimwise68 on March 19, 2008, 11:46 AM
I also think that Redline f+f's are a bad seller. I think that GT's are too. Not sure why? :uglystupid2:


Got to agree there. Think they are more sought after in the States, had loads of interest from American and Australia peeps on my redline stuff on the bay.

Funnily the PL20 is a lovely big frame so feels more like a cruiser than a cramped BMX. So is totally usuable as a rider. Probably why the americans like them.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: munners on March 19, 2008, 11:51 AM
I also think that Redline f+f's are a bad seller. I think that GT's are too. Not sure why? :uglystupid2:


Got to agree there. Think they are more sought after in the States, had loads of interest from American and Australia peeps on my redline stuff on the bay.

Funnily the PL20 is a lovely big frame so feels more like a cruiser than a cramped BMX. So is totally usuable as a rider. Probably why the americans like them.

Ive just now finished my 102b and its a REALLY small f+f. I feel really cramped when im sitting on it. Not a nice riding position.

 I deffo think that the UK market are not into Redlines and GT's as much as the yanks. They are a real US brand name over there which is probably why both are still in business!! ;)
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: perry on March 19, 2008, 11:53 AM
i hope it does fall through the floor

itl give the people that buy stuff as an "investment" a decent kick  :)

after all it wont effect the people who build these bikes to recapture their youth as after all they wouldnt want to sell anyway , so what if they bought something for £100 and its current "value" is only £50 , is there any loss in the fun of ownership

of course something like a ta will still get a decent price but will it be the guy who had one when they were new and wants to show their children what it was like , the guy that desperately wanted one but couldnt afford one new but now has enough disposable income to fulfill the dream or will it be the guy jumping on the bandwagon expecting it to increase in value and will just pack it away in storage never to be seen again

same thing has happened to old fords , a mk1 escort rs2000 will go for £10000 and even 4 door mk2s have reached £2000 , you couldnt give them away in the 90s lol
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: RATTY on March 19, 2008, 11:56 AM
I think that the bread and butter OS stuff is levelling out price wise, I have a load of stuff I need to sell in order to fund my racing but the first two bikes I put up didnt even attract an offer :-\.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: munners on March 19, 2008, 12:02 PM
i hope it does fall through the floor

itl give the people that buy stuff as an "investment" a decent kick  :)

after all it wont effect the people who build these bikes to recapture their youth as after all they wouldnt want to sell anyway , so what if they bought something for £100 and its current "value" is only £50 , is there any loss in the fun of ownership

of course something like a ta will still get a decent price but will it be the guy who had one when they were new and wants to show their children what it was like , the guy that desperately wanted one but couldnt afford one new but now has enough disposable income to fulfill the dream or will it be the guy jumping on the bandwagon expecting it to increase in value and will just pack it away in storage never to be seen again

same thing has happened to old fords , a mk1 escort rs2000 will go for £10000 and even 4 door mk2s have reached £2000 , you couldnt give them away in the 90s lol

I think that what you will find is that the REAL collectors bought there stuff ages ago, so even if the floor falls through they will still show a profit! i know people who bought  DC MX1000's for £6.50 a calliper! Even if they went down to £20 for a MX1000 calliper then they are still on top.  I wouldnt wish anyone bad luck when it comes to earning money. Most of us on here only do it for the hobby not for the profit.


One thing that you have to remember (and it is relevant)..........my old TA cost my dad £360 back in 1984. What is that worth now in todays money? £1100? So financially the bmx hobby we are in isnt too ridiculous when you look at it like that!
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: perry on March 19, 2008, 12:11 PM
"Most of us on here only do it for the hobby not for the profit."

thats certainly what ive found  :4_17_5:

i dont want people to think im against anone selling anything , after all were bmxers , we have a habit of " ooooh thats nice i want one of those " and then selling it shortly after for somethin else that catches the eye  ;D
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: virtualmeuk on March 19, 2008, 12:16 PM
From a newbies point of view...... I was new to all this OS BMX before xmas and was trying to relive my childhood through my old bike that i uncovered in the garage at my folks house. I could'nt beleive the prices stuff was fetching so thought it was worth doing up. Now i have done it i have no more money and no more parts to buy so will only change small parts as and when i get cash or a better upgrade. For me i have seen a flurry recently of stupid prices on bits and its just to much for me to justify paying the prices so am using lower spec parts on another build i am doing to get it finished. I think that people who are new to this OS BMX get a shock at the prices and are put off a bit by them. I Have only been able to justify my spending as i have owned the bike from new and therefore has a big chunk of nostalga attached to it. I wouldnt spend the kind of silly money on a bits for a normal OS build that i had no connection with so i have therefore stopped buying bits till i can find some bargains.

I am sure that the prices like anything will peak and then drop for a while and slowly creep back up over time. They cannot keep going up as it is getting way out of most 'normal' peoples reach at the moment and untill prices start to fall into the reach of 'normal' income people i think it will stay a bit stale. Once people start to see prices within there reach i think the market will pick up and be back where they are now in a few months.

I think the biggest problem is that if somone sells a set of say mx1000's for a silly price to somone who has more money than sence and is desperate for them to finish a build or to furnish a childhood dream then everyone thinks that there mx1000's are instantly worth that amount of money or even a bit more. Trouble is that not everyone is prepared to pay sill prices for stuff.

At the end of the day there must be a 'Ceiling' price for say a set of MX 1000's that no one in there right mind will pay any more for and i think that we are about there at the moment.

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: Swivel on March 19, 2008, 12:24 PM
Definately agree with you here Nick. People are hording the good stuff that's for sure and nothing cheap enough and minty ever comes up on the for sale section anymore, either it's very used or the same NOS stuff i.e. Seat clamps/901's etc...

Stuff is definately getting harder to source now, I've been requesting a freestyle stem for about 3 weeks on the wanted bit and still no luck getting a minty one... people just ain't parting with the good stuff anymore  >:(

I have a few unfinished bikes and would love to see them done and its getting harder and harder to get the parts now without spending a fortune and I really cannot justify that to myself anymore, i'd much rather put the money towards a holiday for me and the wife instead of buying two sets of MX1000's! Just ticks me off that something so readily available like a freestyle stem, which 6 months ago would have been very easy to find, now takes weeks and weeks and even then they are used and need work. This old school game is getting very tough! :)

I just think people are keeping their stuff at the mo. There's hardly ever any 'really' nice bits and bobs that are in the for sale section these days. Always the same sort of gear ie DC 901's etc.

I also think that Redline f+f's are a bad seller. I think that GT's are too. Not sure why? :uglystupid2:

400's were a 'wanted' item about 2 months ago as a few people had Laserlite builds and they needed them. Maybe they have them now?

If there was a  GEN 1, TA, Kuwi Laserlite, Harry Leary, Ripper, Quad etc up for sale on here they would sell instantly.


Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: jimwise68 on March 19, 2008, 12:27 PM
I definitely am not in it for the money. I enjoy sourcing the parts and building the bikes that I used to love when I was younger and some that have caught my eye this time round.

But been watching ebay and sale stuff on here and it is either not selling or selling at a far reduced rate to what it was a few months back.
i know at this time of year it slows down but it seems to have gone a bit beyond that.

Fair play that a TA or Gen 1 will always demand a premium but have seen rare stems and even MX1000s go for a ridiculously cheap price. its obviously good that prices have come down some degree. But just wondered the reasons behind it.

I personally was thinking that it was simply because of the economic climate being a bit unstable.


Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: OrgasmDonor on March 19, 2008, 12:39 PM
ive gone off the boil for os stuff n moved onto midschool stuff as its a whole new world to me basically and i like to ride my bikes into the ground. the prices did hit a high recently i reckon and now peeps want top dollar for everything, but those peaks are peaks so when the prices fall no one seems to want to part with stuff, which is understandable, hense no real bargains anymore. also the want for the big gun bikes, TA's n SE's etc has deemed GT's and the like as undesirable, there are loads n loads of underated frames out there, all victims of fashion at the mo, IMO
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Rombloke on March 19, 2008, 12:51 PM
all it is jim is flaz wants too much for his cranks....simple....

thats why they aint selling

jeez he only had em up for sale for a few days anyway...lol



Dave
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: jimwise68 on March 19, 2008, 12:53 PM
all it is jim is flaz wants too much for his cranks....simple....

thats why they aint selling

jeez he only had em up for sale for a few days anyway...lol



Dave
;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: etriedes on March 19, 2008, 01:00 PM
I've found it better buying from the states lately, ( i'd rather buy from here ) parts are more available and cheaper with the exchange rate .. even with the postage cost it can still work out cheaper than buying from here .. ideally i'd like to trade parts but your lucky to even get any trades on here lately .. so it looks like i'm stuck with long waits for deliverys from the states ..
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Zippy on March 19, 2008, 02:14 PM
If things don't sell it's because either they're too expnsive or that nobody is after that particular item at that particular time.

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: stuntmaster on March 19, 2008, 06:15 PM
If things don't sell it's because either they're too expnsive or that nobody is after that particular item at that particular time.



exactly and with the credit crunch watch out for stuff to drop as the bubble will burst soon and stuff will sell cheaper as it`s spare income this game is and what with other things taking priority bmx will take a back step
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: jackel on March 19, 2008, 06:28 PM
If things don't sell it's because either they're too expnsive or that nobody is after that particular item at that particular time.



exactly and with the credit crunch watch out for stuff to drop as the bubble will burst soon and stuff will sell cheaper as it`s spare income this game is and what with other things taking priority bmx will take a back step
wish it would hurry up i,m waiting to do another build :)
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: PHIPPSIO on March 19, 2008, 07:52 PM
Another short timers perspective, when a rare part goes up for sale at a silly price, people justify the cost cos they know somenone is going to need it pretty bad and it wont hang around. The problem is that then becomes the market rate to anybody selling a similar part a week later or in some cases they want a bit more cos theres is black or blue whatever. Also when biagio runs out of something its generally time to make hay if you have rare stuff. I bought a nos green master from him last June for £200. Alans has just flogged one on the bay for over £400 today....thats not a bad rate of inflation

Mx1000's are also a good example though, every time a set came up it seemded to be a little bit dearer than the last set, never settled down that cost........... have no fear though, just look around your houses, lofts and garages, spare bedrooms , we wouldnt all have ended up with so much stuff if it was so easy to resist buying those bits, maybe just another couple of minutes considering it :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Trev on March 19, 2008, 08:13 PM
i'm not an old school collector and i don't really watch the prices of stuff too much. sometimes read about it on here, that's about it.
the way i look at it, those with lots of disposable cash who decide to build old school bikes will raise the price of certain parts. if they want it and can afford it, they pay the stupid prices that everyone else can't afford. i don't know how many really rich collectors there are (i'm talking millionaire status here). but say there were 10 of them. once they've all got what they want, then the prices of that particular item will drop.

buying stuff now to make a profit would be very risky. yeah prices are silly now. but will they go up even more? who knows. i'm sure if you try to remember back a couple of years ago, you may have thought the same thing. with everything, there has got to be a limit. whether we have reached that limit or not, don't know...
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: ron burgundy on March 19, 2008, 09:19 PM
Most Redlines don't make big money...  only the special ones ;)

You've got 4 days to go Jim, loads of time for last minute bidding...

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: thebigdog on March 19, 2008, 09:47 PM
I think you also have to take in to account that places like Vert Ego do not have that much left, Ruewheels has pretty much gone, there is not that much worth having at Alans and as far as I know its not like they will be getting that much more good stuff from Shiners.
You only have to go back a year to be able to get pretty much any colour Tyre you wanted from any of the above. Seats were easy to get, clamps, chains, headsets and brakes were all available in pretty much any colour. Haro frames were still about in boxes and so to were Beats, Trickstars and the odd Quad.

Its all pretty much gone and that has a big impact on new people coming in to the scene. It is very hard to build a nice bike from scratch now and you have to be prepared to sit and watch all the ebay listings and get lucky on forums like Rad to get the bits you need.

If people are getting pi$$ed with paying the high prices they will lose interest and if nobody new is coming in then parts will begin to come down in price as the market gets smaller.

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Tefore on March 19, 2008, 10:00 PM
maybe my thought of reason here is wrong here but if these items were not high value we would not want to collect them. otherwise we would all be riding around on aero reflex's?.





or shall i get my coat
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: jackel on March 19, 2008, 10:04 PM
i,d love the prices to drop ive got quite a few bits but truth be known i,d like a few more bikes to push my gobi over the edge. ive got my eye on a couple at the moment and if prices drop coolio the bits i need will be cheaper :( dont think it will though but never know
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: stuntmaster on March 19, 2008, 10:10 PM
big dog there loads of stuff still out there that a lot of peeps keep hold off  , i know of a least 5 peeps who have loads of mx1000 and won`t sell them  and people like biaggio still have loads but he only sell the stuff he doesn`t want .i must admit i have 7 crates full of old skool stuff but won`t sell any of it as most of it is for long term projects and untill those projects are done that stuff will never see light of day  .
recession or not most people will keep the stuff than sell as most peeps took a long time looking for a certain bit
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Waxintaxin on March 19, 2008, 11:06 PM
Its a strange one for sure
Prices are up and down like a yo yo in the last 6months , but they rose steeply just before that ,so maybe adjusting to take into account that stoopid 6 months of silly prices is right and proper

yes  i think its about time for the market to drop some , and collectors who only have bought recently ,who may only be collecting short term , may dump there stuff to ensure they dont lose out
but collectors who will never sell stuff ,will always exist and as more of these type of collector joins the hobby  then supply drops and prices rise

the question is how many potential collectors are there still out these ,as this more than anything will dictate prices

the good stuff is gone , and only ltd ammounts of lower priced items remain ,so do the math

i reckon 20% drop in prices in the next year, but a ripper is always worth 350 to someone , maybe not 600 as we have seen, but unless we are all skint as the crunch turn into a major disaster,its got to have some value to someone

i
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Trev on March 20, 2008, 12:11 AM
well this site is an indication of how many people are out there. we are constantly getting new members aboard. some come in, have a browse then disappear never to be seen again. some just like the memories, some new school. some will want just the one OS bike to build. but then they may get "the bug" and want more.
i'd say maybe 10-15 in every 100 new members will want to build at least one OS bike.  Out of that maybe 2 or 3 will want to build more.
i can understand the serious collectors wanting to hoard stuff as they'll know how hard it is to come by this sort of stuff, so won't want to risk selling something that they might need in 6 months or a year later and end up paying 2 or 3 times the amount and spend forever waiting for it to come along.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Brandy Truffle on March 20, 2008, 11:21 AM
I've been registered on Rad since end Oct,so about 4 and half months. Age 39. Raced from late 82 until early 86 when serious collarbone injury finished me off.

I actually found Rad via a link from an ebay members auction purely by accident,took alook at the museum and the rest is history.

In just these few months i've seen the price of a Kashimax Aero go from 45-50 to 100 quid. I bought a red and yellow for less than 50 each and the blue was 60 not a couple months ago. All bagged & 'NOS' (another word i'd never heard of before RAD). I needed some brakes,obviously MX1000 were the caliper of choice from that era,so i bought a few of those. Even 3 months ago i was paying 20 quid for a used caliper in great condition and 90 quid a pair 'NOS'. I bought a rarer set of Blue for 110..now they'll fetch upwards of 160-70 plus if the right people are interested.

My personal experience and fook it,i'm gonna name names here,is there are some people on RAD who will do you a good deal and will bend over backwards to help you find what you need.. stand up Matt Bigdogg,Jai SEBmxer,Andy Funmonster,Crazycraig,Pete Dj Benice,Jimwise.. All guys that dont know me from Adam personally,but in the spirit of RAD have sourced me some otherwise (to me) unobtainable parts at very fair prices. I'm sure there are more,but these are just some i've dealt with.

Then you have some members putting stuff up at crazy prices then,what? to save face? saying "SOLD". (Think Brakes...) Do me a favour.It makes you look like a desparate twat as they havent really sold..and if they have at that price then the buyer must be just as bad! Dont even get me started on the w4nker who was shill bidding his stuff on ebay and still has the nerve to come on here.

The good people of this forum have the power to somewhat dictate what these parts go for.. yet there seem a few who just take the p155.

I've found it interesting that (the majority) of people i've dealt with,or look at their profiles on here) are 35-42, which would make them in their teens freestylin or racin in the early mid eighties where we call Old School now. All the demand for parts is commin from this age group of people mostly and as time moves on and peoples interest wanes,family takes over etc etc who is going to wanting to build these bikes from that era. It seems only the people who really lived it back then are interested in building or reliving the bike they had. Will mid school as is now become the new old school.... ultimately yes, i hear kids talk about old school bmx's now and they are referring tp early mid 90's! They dont give a fook about what came before.

People sitting on gear are going to be in for a shock sooner or later i think. 250 quid for a set of brakes is just taking the p1ss. Where can it go.

What i spent on a set of Flights for my build in December was more than my whole race budget during 1984.Crazy! I know it's ultimately all about supply and demand but it doesnt make things any easier to swallow when you're not in it for the money,you just want to build a couple of nice old school bikes you either had in the 80's or desparately wanted but couldnt afford.

With 2 members on ebay spending between 2 and 4k each last month ALONE on purely old school parts,i dont see the prices of top end stuff slipping while they are (crazy) enough to keep digging deep. (How much stuff do they need?)

So,cutting all my rambling and babble above out, i've seen prices rocket in the few months ive been here, to the point where just one part i'd like is the same as the amount of money it would cost to send my little boy to France for a tennis coaching school holiday,or my little girl a years fees for Dancing lessons and i've seriously got to stop.Think. Wonder whether it's time to bow out already. (..and i was having such fun as well..)
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: perry on March 20, 2008, 11:55 AM
regarding all the mid skool stuff

in the 80s it was a very big sport , bikes were common place everywhere . dont forget its nt just peole interested in bmx that will be buying that stuff its people inteested in items from the 80s in general as bmx was a big part of it for a lot of people

in the 90s it was only the people that loved riding that stuck at it , sure it picked up more from 95 ( when i got into it ) but there is a far fewer percentage of people that had bikes then and it was a far from rosey image to the general public having a load of grunge kids smashing benchs and whatnot . it wont hold as high a significance to the era as it did in the 80s

sure there will always be the people like me that want to build a bike that they couldnt afford from the 90s but its far less

i doubt a primo rod will ever have a high worth

i might pick up an s&m laf to keep in the box for future nostalgia though  :-[

maybe i should snap up hundreds of odyssey hazard lite rims and hubs for a future business  :2funny: :angel:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: darkersomeday on March 20, 2008, 12:22 PM
as one of the very first to show an interest in the O/S bikes i've seen more changes in price than 99% of the members on here :daumenhoch:
haro master bikes,brand new, boxed £200 anyone? :LolLolLolLol:
back in the mid 90's folk used to give me old school bikes for free just to get rid of them! i bet theres a few on here that have come out of my loft :LolLolLolLol:

in the last 10/11 years prices have just gone up and up as more people get involved, like rich said, stuff is running out, people that build/resto bikes to w@nk about usually see them as their "work" so they keep them,

there are still great bargains to be had, just not whats currently trendy or seen as "classic" (ie mx's)
it actually forces people to be more creative in the parts they use, having stuff re-annodized etc,

we've even seen "retro" bmx's brought out to cater for those less choosey about their bikes "heritage"
its the way of the world unfortunately :-\

for me though, tbh, the only area of all this malarkey that still offers any kind of real excitement building and sourcing wise is the mid school and even thats on the rise :'(

pretty much ALL the old school bikes have been done to death, so much so that folk are getting desperate to find frames like the holeshot just because they havent been seen as much as the others! nothing to do with whether or not they were actually any good!






 
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: brass monkey! on March 20, 2008, 12:46 PM
Yeah, for sure as the credit crunch hits, people are gonna curb spending big, if the prices don't fall only a few are going to be able to afford to pay, and on an ebay auction prices will eventually fall as it takes 2 high bids to make a good market price…,

Disposable income is the key to any hobby, so when push comes to shove (and I Mean big shove; Utilities bill up, council tax up, food bills up, mortgage rates up, lending up….i could go on !!) you need to make compromises. For now I've no plans to buy, or sell….sh!te ain't it !

Just got my new Council Tax bill in today, UP 4.7% ! FFS !!  

Personally I think the 'buzz' has diminished too..,

I remember the euphoria of getting my first build done (Hutch Trickstar), and although I've put almost a dozen builds together since then I feel you get a diminishing return each time.

Haven't bought much this year..,.

…and I just got a promotion at work, but even my 12% pay rise and 4.5% cost of living increase on top of that hasn't tempted me so far…., I am waiting to find out how much my mortgage is going to increase first (in June)!
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: thebigdog on March 20, 2008, 04:38 PM
big dog there loads of stuff still out there that a lot of peeps keep hold off  , i know of a least 5 peeps who have loads of mx1000 and won`t sell them  and people like biaggio still have loads but he only sell the stuff he doesn`t want .i must admit i have 7 crates full of old skool stuff but won`t sell any of it as most of it is for long term projects and untill those projects are done that stuff will never see light of day  .
recession or not most people will keep the stuff than sell as most peeps took a long time looking for a certain bit

I know there is stuff out there but its in peoples own collections and a lot of it is not for sale.

If you take Haro tyres as an example, 12 months ago you could get pretty much any colour from Vert-Ego, Skatepool, Rudewheels, Alans Rainers Etc Etc and they were all under £40 a pair  :daumenhoch:
12 months later you can get Green, Pink, Radberry and with a little extra work you might find some White  ??? If you want any other colour you got to wait for someone to sell on Ebay, Rad or some other forum.
Shiners were supplying all the shops above with Haro tyres and now they can not as they do not have any.

Last set of Blue Haro tyres I sold on Ebay went for £96, the set before was £85 but what I think will happen is....... they will come right down because people will find it too hard to get stuff to build a bike and they will find something new to amuse them.

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: se-bmxer on March 20, 2008, 08:56 PM

If you take Haro tyres as an example, 12 months ago you could get pretty much any colour from Vert-Ego, Skatepool, Rudewheels, Alans Rainers Etc Etc and they were all under £40 a pair  :daumenhoch:
12 months later you can get Green, Pink, Radberry and with a little extra work you might find some White  ??? If you want any other colour you got to wait for someone to sell on Ebay, Rad or some other forum.
Shiners were supplying all the shops above with Haro tyres and now they can not as they do not have any.

I can vouch for that, im in Shiners very week due to my job with Se bikes when i first started going im there in 2003 there were loads of Haro's Hutch's SE's F&F
Haro tyres and panaracer freestyle tyres in all colours. The only thing left regarding Haro's F&F is the odd paint damaged ones, no hutch's or SE's that they are
selling. Not so long ago they had loads of Haro Group 1's RS1 F&F there are none now. That also goes for the more common items that are sold on Radbmx
like stems, seatclamps, 901's, etc things are drying up and when it does prices will rise for nos stuff. You only have to look Vert-Ego, Skatepool, Rudewheels, Alans
there stock is running out, soon it will just be the crap stuff being sold.

Theres loads of Aero Reflex's left if anyone wants a cheap build, i think theres around 80 left  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: its33 on March 20, 2008, 09:31 PM
and in 5 yearst time you wont be able to give it away,fashion,FASHION,RETRO COOL
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Tefore on March 20, 2008, 09:56 PM
as one of the very first to show an interest in the O/S bikes i've seen more changes in price than 99% of the members on here :daumenhoch:
haro master bikes,brand new, boxed £200 anyone? :LolLolLolLol:
back in the mid 90's folk used to give me old school bikes for free just to get rid of them! i bet theres a few on here that have come out of my loft :LolLolLolLol:

in the last 10/11 years prices have just gone up and up as more people get involved, like rich said, stuff is running out, people that build/resto bikes to w@nk about usually see them as their "work" so they keep them,

there are still great bargains to be had, just not whats currently trendy or seen as "classic" (ie mx's)
it actually forces people to be more creative in the parts they use, having stuff re-annodized etc,

we've even seen "retro" bmx's brought out to cater for those less choosey about their bikes "heritage"
its the way of the world unfortunately :-\

for me though, tbh, the only area of all this malarkey that still offers any kind of real excitement building and sourcing wise is the mid school and even thats on the rise :'(

pretty much ALL the old school bikes have been done to death, so much so that folk are getting desperate to find frames like the holeshot just because they havent been seen as much as the others! nothing to do with whether or not they were actually any good!






 








dont forget them haro masters . the first sets for sale included flights.lol
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: magna13 on March 21, 2008, 09:04 AM
I Also Think The Prices Have Gone Mad!, Raleigh Aero Pro F+F Fetch Lots Of Money, £1400 Skyway Graphites, £127 Sugino Maxy Cross Pedals, £100 One Peice Crank Sets, £1000 Skyway T/A's, £500+ For A Hucth Plate,£250 JT Racing Helmet, And $800 For Profile Gen Two's. I Could Be Here For Day Listing The Expense
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Waxintaxin on March 21, 2008, 09:42 AM
but prices are falling
so anyone collecting to make money could get burned  ;D
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: magna13 on March 21, 2008, 09:45 AM
but prices are falling
so anyone collecting to make money could get burned  ;D
:LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on March 21, 2008, 10:01 AM
ive had some real bargains recently. prices are dropping definately. i havnt built anything for ages, but now prices are coming down, ive started building the odd thing.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: QUADROPHENIA on March 21, 2008, 10:09 AM

spoke to radman about this yesterday and there has deffo been bargains to be had over the last 6 weeks, so bit of luck they will keep going down and stay down
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on March 21, 2008, 10:09 AM
http://bp0.blogger.com/_ZGnRdpJcsGY/RlhafIFWvcI/AAAAAAAAACY/joJGR_F5qu0/s1600-h/BuildingCollapsing.jpg
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Waxintaxin on March 21, 2008, 10:14 AM
I know , I got some black tech 3s for 22 quid a set
and these have been silly money for awhile
it seems that disposable income and ressesion are closely linked , and hobbys go first
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: crazycraig on March 21, 2008, 10:19 AM
i was only laundering cash anyway  :(
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Waxintaxin on March 21, 2008, 10:21 AM
LOL

Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Gashead on March 21, 2008, 10:22 AM
Deffo seen a price drop on a few selected items !

Think a bargin time is looming  ;)
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Rombloke on March 21, 2008, 10:46 AM
the price hike is deffo over, i got these the other week for £35, ok they needed a clean....but hell.....

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/newbrakes001.jpg)

yes...dc 1000's and tech 3's.....

the arsehole is gonna drop from this stuff

Dave
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: jimwise68 on March 21, 2008, 10:49 AM
the price hike is deffo over, i got these the other week for £35, ok they needed a clean....but hell.....

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/newbrakes001.jpg)

yes...dc 1000's and tech 3's.....

the arsehole is gonna drop from this stuff

Dave

Dave, give you £350 for em  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on March 21, 2008, 10:55 AM
yeah, theyre a bit rough, but i could do with a set, ill give you 50 quid plus post.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Rombloke on March 21, 2008, 11:07 AM
yeah, theyre a bit rough, but i could do with a set, ill give you 50 quid plus post.

i do actually have no use for these phil. we can sort a price out, it wont be no £250 thats for sure...i'll pm you my pp details

Dave
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: snav69 on March 21, 2008, 11:13 AM
Did you paint the tech 3's yourself  ??? If so , what did ya' use  :-\

 :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: harris on March 21, 2008, 11:58 AM
phil if you have no luck with dave i have a 9.5/10 rear mx1000 in black
no cable,pads  or lever but £35 if you need it matey  pm me  dan
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on March 21, 2008, 03:12 PM
phil if you have no luck with dave i have a 9.5/10 rear mx1000 in black
no cable,pads  or lever but £35 if you need it matey  pm me  dan

pm sent.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Why isnt this working on March 21, 2008, 05:12 PM
Might aswell put my pennys worth in.
It seems to me that prices have gone up more so for smaller components. I mean £100 for a kashi, £250 for 1000's its just ridiculous and such a shame as its pushing so many people i know away from old school builds. Also noticed how much frame and fork sets fluctuate in price from time to time. Ive seen good loopy PK's at the moment going for as little as £220 !!. Rewind 2 years ago and it would be double that plus. I would tend to agree with people who think its to do with the globel econemy situation, with such uncertanty surrouding it your not going to be chuckin dough at your bmx hobby and definatly not whilst prices are as bonkers as what they are now!.

si.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: WARDY on March 21, 2008, 05:25 PM
Keep your peepers on these two items


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Shimano-DX-Pedals-New-Old-School-BMX_W0QQitemZ330219759078QQihZ014QQcategoryZ56197QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MX1000-OLD-SCHOOL-BMX-DIA-COMPE-WHITE-BRAKE-SET-NOS_W0QQitemZ310032815748QQihZ021QQcategoryZ33503QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: dct on March 21, 2008, 06:30 PM
i picked up a pair of alloy hubbed white tuffs in great condition for 85.00 posted

i think prices are coming down at moment  :4_17_5:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: Sparky24 on March 21, 2008, 07:19 PM
i got back into bmx due to raleigh reissuing the tap, but when i got it realised how crap the the parts were. in my mind i was picturing the original with mx1000, kashimax aero, tange grips. i decided to strip it get argos cycles of bristol to custom spray it black/white tange grips(in white £35) black mx1000 on the front with blk tec3(£90) white mx1000 on the back (£110) blk kashimax aero (120) and acs z wheels with comp 3 tyres(£250) dia comp seat clamp (£40) and the original cost the bike £300 it does not take long to realise that spending has gone out of control, but i had a image of how the original looked, thats what i built and thats the prices i paid. it is called supply and demand. on top of that there was the stem,pad set,bars, seat post,pedals,b&b, chain ring,arms, and due to chopping and changingbits and bobs , my build has just set me back £1650.if you want to see it it,s on burner world,s images, sparkys tap2007.

















 
         
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: dct on March 21, 2008, 07:21 PM
fook mme sparky thats a few quid - when it you get the stuff from vert ego ????
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: Sparky24 on March 21, 2008, 07:32 PM
a lot of it came from vertego, he had it, i wanted it and chose to pay it!!
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending
Post by: its33 on March 21, 2008, 09:37 PM
your shout ,i prefer to source and hunt things that are the lowest price,its part of the game
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: matt on March 21, 2008, 09:52 PM
prices are deffo coming down, i bagged myself a set of 401s for £95 a couple of weeks ago
it wasnt that long when people were paying up to £300 for a rechromed set  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: 80sdave on March 22, 2008, 09:27 PM
All the stuff im buying is for my own personel collection, no interest in selling it on for a profit etc but no matter how much i want it im realistic and i am not spending stupid money on somthing, i think we all set values personally to an item we are after just like buying on evilbay but on the other hand stuff is getting very rare which i feel makes people panic buy.
ps i have an old sock that my mate reckons bob haro used once gotta be worth  a grand any takers. :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: moley on March 22, 2008, 09:36 PM
Just the one sock.

It depends what it was used for and whether it can be cloned!!!!
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: 80sdave on March 22, 2008, 10:04 PM
I reckon if you sold one on here for £50 some bayer would get wind of it and their would be a hundred on evilbay next week straight from china onwashed since 1984 etc.
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: pkradman on March 23, 2008, 09:14 PM
the price crash continues   ... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170203491420&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=007
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: harris on March 23, 2008, 09:20 PM
 :shocked:  dame that is a bargain
good score
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Bettyswallocks on March 23, 2008, 10:20 PM
Bargain......  :-\

They looked fooked....  :(

20 years ago they'd have got binned, starting to think this is getting to expensive for me i've a loopy ripper that'll never get built up the way prices are going...  >:(

Maybe i should start storing new school stuff for 20 years..... fly cranks, early non full wrap, uncracked  survivors before they redesigned them full wrap.....  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Dark Diggler on March 23, 2008, 10:29 PM
Best send that ripper my way then Webby  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Bettyswallocks on March 23, 2008, 11:18 PM
Best send that ripper my way then Webby  :LolLolLolLol:

At the current rate of inflation its gonna be me pension....  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: hunterdubber on March 24, 2008, 10:35 AM
I don't there's a bubble bursting

You've always been able to pick up a bargain

I seen 401's with BB go for under a ton last year 
and just paid £260 myself last month for arms and BB rechromed

You get lucky sometimes

but like most people you see the going rate on items and pay it on the Bay
or maybe they a bit sway on here

If you got a build on , you like to get the bits
and better  be prepared to pay

I think things maybe only slightly slower
as the market on all retail is  ( shopping ,houses ,etc )at this time of year

Soon things will start picking up faster as it gets more towards Summer and people start doing builds for MK08
whether it be
Show and shine  or OS race
get your bits now and beat the rush

But I'll be ahead of ya
making a complete bike a month at the mo
and not selling any yet


Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: munners on March 24, 2008, 10:47 AM
ive seen some bits and bobs go through the roof recently on the bay! Like has been said......you will always pick up a bargain on the bay if you hunt hard enough!
Title: Re: Is the BMX OS bubble beginning to burst or are people worried about spending?
Post by: Jt on March 24, 2008, 11:09 AM
the best prices has brought more stored/garaged/knackered stuff to market.

the good stuff seems to be holding up ok...

also, there are some people who consider the top of the tree has been reached and therefore roll out their good stuff and punt it...good luck to em!

bigdog done quite well over the last few months!

if your buying shit to restore, its a buyers market...if your wanting stuff mint, tis a sellers market.

good job there are plenty of lazy people with money :daumenhoch:
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