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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: bigsman on January 19, 2010, 01:42 PM
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Ok answer me this radsters...why do some 80s graphites have chrome flanges as opposed to the gold?
Was it as simple as you had the choice when you bought em? Or was it something cool like team issue being chrome or what?
Cheers
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graphites should have gold flanges , as thats what they came with as standard , I have seen team issues with coloured hubs white tuffs with blue hubs but never seen graphites with plain alloy hubs tbo so maybe they got replaced or polished since the 80s or they are just tuff 2s not graphites
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graphites should have gold flanges , as thats what they came with as standard , I have seen team issues with coloured hubs white tuffs with blue hubs but never seen graphites with plain alloy hubs tbo so maybe they got replaced or polished since the 80s or they are just tuff 2s not graphites
Interesting...I've got three! 2 of em arrived with no anno on them and are on the og rivets and have the expected yellow writing on the inside of the rim. They look and feel right for graphites but I take your point. The third has always been a bit suss as it has been de-riveted and bolted at some point...but it has the gold graphite flanges. Or at least it did until I stripped and polished it to match the 2 fronts I have!
Is what you say gospel or is there any other possibilty?
Cheers again
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i would think taking the gold anno off a proper set of graffs would fook em up for a collector.
was'nt the graffs a more black/grey colour too ?.
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Pics would be helpful, I'e never heard of silver hubbed Graphites, they were always gold. Mattdub (I think) once posted up a pictoral of the various versions of Graphites with the different Campagnolo hubs, etc be good to see if I can find it :).
Here it is:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=72175.msg750997#msg750997
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I have seen Graphites with Silver flanges - I don't think they were common place though.
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I may be wrong but didnt they say graphite on the flanges ?
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plus we are a tad fussy on these things but bitd skyway did all sorts of stuff with product and as such you can see many TAs with no cut outs on the drop outs and 2 left fork dropouts etc , it was a case of what was left etc in the factory
i wouldnt be suprised that flanges were not annodised and were not annoed in time and just stuck on as they needed to sell sell sell
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I remember seeing some graphites with silver hubs stamped 'Graphite' on them - are these what you're talking about?
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I may be wrong but didnt they say graphite on the flanges ?
The ones that I've seen did - Yes
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I may be wrong but didnt they say graphite on the flanges ?
The ones that I've seen did - Yes
Cool stuff, you learn something new about this old hobby everyday :daumenhoch:
Bigsman, get some pics posted, would be great to see your fronts :daumenhoch:
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Ok doky the thot plickens...
You asked for piccies so here goes:
Wheel 1 : Front graphite? Sold to me as team issue a fair few years ago. Arrived with mucho more damage than expected but kept as a nice 'thing'!
Flange
(http://i48.tinypic.com/i5al9u.jpg)
Rim
(http://i48.tinypic.com/30d8j89.jpg)
Has '029' written on inner rim and '153/402' stamped on outer rim..couldn't pick up detail on camera
Wheel 2: Front graphite? Bought as a single from ebay to replace wheel number 1 when I realised it wouldn't be useable. Great nick...very little damage
Flange
(http://i47.tinypic.com/dn21qp.jpg)
Rim
(http://i49.tinypic.com/5mmich.jpg)
Wheel 3: Rear graphite? The dodgiest of the 3...arrived with wheel number 1 and tho in good nick the flange had been derivited and bolted altho as I said it was originally gold still. The writing on the rim of this one is white rather than yellow and it just looks different to the other 2.
Flange
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ihqelg.jpg)
Rim
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2rnwxs8.jpg)
So gents whats your take on these then??
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Yeah still learning all the time-love this site :smitten: every time I have a blast on here I pick up new knowledge :daumenhoch:
Not seen silver flanged grafs be nice to see some visuals :D
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Cool...maybe the gold anno has been stripped from them ? Just a thought like :buck2:
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I was talking to this about another member ages ago and i think i can breifley remember the story? im sure why they're silver is because when Skyway would run out of OG alloy flanges and couldnt wait for more to be made, they'd fit pre-anno graphie flanges just to make wheels up, the wheels themself im sure are normal skyway plastic and not the Graphite type. so really you have a set of normal alloy hub tuff's... im sure... :-\ :-\
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ohh sorry just realised the yellow writing inside the rim! :shocked: :shocked:
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I was talking to this about another member ages ago and i think i can breifley remember the story? im sure why they're silver is because when Skyway would run out of OG alloy flanges and couldnt wait for more to be made, they'd fit pre-anno graphie flanges just to make wheels up, the wheels themself im sure are normal skyway plastic and not the Graphite type. so really you have a set of normal alloy hub tuff's... im sure... :-\ :-\
I am sure the G painted on the inside of the rim denotes Graf Zak?
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I was talking to this about another member ages ago and i think i can breifley remember the story? im sure why they're silver is because when Skyway would run out of OG alloy flanges and couldnt wait for more to be made, they'd fit pre-anno graphie flanges just to make wheels up, the wheels themself im sure are normal skyway plastic and not the Graphite type. so really you have a set of normal alloy hub tuff's... im sure... :-\ :-\
I am sure the G painted on the inside of the rim denotes Graf Zak?
Yep my mistake, just noticed them pics :LolLolLolLol: well this is a little strange? pre-anno flanges? :shocked:
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I was talking to this about another member ages ago and i think i can breifley remember the story? im sure why they're silver is because when Skyway would run out of OG alloy flanges and couldnt wait for more to be made, they'd fit pre-anno graphie flanges just to make wheels up, the wheels themself im sure are normal skyway plastic and not the Graphite type. so really you have a set of normal alloy hub tuff's... im sure... :-\ :-\
I am sure the G painted on the inside of the rim denotes Graf Zak?
Yep my mistake, just noticed them pics :LolLolLolLol: well this is a little strange? pre-anno flanges? :shocked:
I just couldn't Imagine someone buying Grafs with normal alloy looking hubs...paying all that dough even back in day you would want the world to know "Hey Check me Grafs Bitch!"
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I was talking to this about another member ages ago and i think i can breifley remember the story? im sure why they're silver is because when Skyway would run out of OG alloy flanges and couldnt wait for more to be made, they'd fit pre-anno graphie flanges just to make wheels up, the wheels themself im sure are normal skyway plastic and not the Graphite type. so really you have a set of normal alloy hub tuff's... im sure... :-\ :-\
I am sure the G painted on the inside of the rim denotes Graf Zak?
Yep my mistake, just noticed them pics :LolLolLolLol: well this is a little strange? pre-anno flanges? :shocked:
I just couldn't Imagine someone buying Grafs with normal alloy looking hubs...paying all that dough even back in day you would want the world to know "Hey Check me Grafs Bitch!"
I'd be a little dissapointed :-\ i mean the gold is what makes the Graphite!
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Agreed Fella :daumenhoch:
Do love them normal white tuffs that Jay done anno Blue hubs,really gave me the BMX twitch they did...post some pics again Jay :smitten: :LolLolLolLol:
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:daumenhoch: I also liked them Tuff's of JAY's, something very different :daumenhoch: pukka!
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:daumenhoch: I also liked them Tuff's of JAY's, something very different :daumenhoch: pukka!
Just the coolest...real attention to detail on a sextacular build :4_17_5:
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:daumenhoch: I also liked them Tuff's of JAY's, something very different :daumenhoch: pukka!
Just the coolest...real attention to detail on a sextacular build :4_17_5:
Was certainly something special :daumenhoch: come on JAY put me & sweetbeats outta our misery and show off that class build :4_17_5:
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Come on Jay gimme da BMX Storker :LolLolLolLol:
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Cant you weigh each wheel and compare the weight against a normal tuff,
as i believe the graphite just means they are lighter
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didn't mike d have a white pair with gold hubs?
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Already been done a few months back...they are marginally lighter.
Gonna get shot done for this but I prefer the chrome/metal look to the gold. As a rule I don't like gold components on my bikes I think they look a bit...tacky >:D
I know they're maybe not for purists but there you go!
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didn't mike d have a white pair with gold hubs?
Mike D and other factory/sponsored riders could get what they want,sure Jay said Dominguez had his own Hubs coloured by himself...don't quote me though.
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You can clearly see that in wheels two and three that the annodising has been removed, theres marks left by some sort of abrasive ;)
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i thought you could see where its been rubbed up (ooh err missus) :D
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i understand anyone thought process who would actively take off the gold anno? ???
surely that's gotta be up there with painting Tuffs?
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Like I said personally I think the gold looks tacky...gold ano on bikes is like fake bling to me. :idiot2:
Besides the point tho - wheel 3 was de-annod by me so my polishing skills obviously need work :LolLolLolLol:. In my defence though that hub is bolted on and since I had a front which was bare metal I didn't want a mix n match chrome front and gold rear...yeuch. Wheel 2 came to me like that and I dunno about the ano being removed...maybe but like you guys I'm not sure why someone would when the wheel is otherwise near perfect...strange.
I think its still possible that you could get em like this from the off..sounds like skyway did a few specials back then and didn't always stick to the rule book. In my head these are now even rarer than common or garden graphs :D
...might consider a swap for some tacky gold campy hub jobs tho ;)
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did they actually make the white ones with blue hubs? i thought i read somewhere that MD just coloured them blue himself?? ???
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did they actually make the white ones with blue hubs? i thought i read somewhere that MD just coloured them blue himself?? ???
I saw a pic in maybe Freestylin' or BMX Action and Mike D's hubs did look painted to me, the rivets were blue also.
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did they actually make the white ones with blue hubs? i thought i read somewhere that MD just coloured them blue himself?? ???
I saw a pic in maybe Freestylin' or BMX Action and Mike D's hubs did look painted to me, the rivets were blue also.
My mate done his red tuffs gold on his goose in the 80's with metalic gold marker...looked great from about 40 yards :LolLolLolLol:
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might drill holes in me steel hubbed to make em lighter :LolLolLolLol:
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Years ago a US eBayer called Golo55? used to sell NOS silver Skyway hub kits and they had Graphite stamped on them. :-\
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Years ago a US eBayer called Golo55? used to sell NOS silver Skyway hub kits and they had Graphite stamped on them. :-\
Are you sure they had Graphite stamped on them? I know I bought one, so tomorrow I can pop in the garage and try and find it.
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Years ago a US eBayer called Golo55? used to sell NOS silver Skyway hub kits and they had Graphite stamped on them. :-\
Are you sure they had Graphite stamped on them? I know I bought one, so tomorrow I can pop in the garage and try and find it.
100% yes, I bought a couple of sets but they went on wheels/builds that are long gone. Wish he still sold them as they are handy things to have. You might as well dig yours out anyway to see if yours are the same.
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Years ago a US eBayer called Golo55? used to sell NOS silver Skyway hub kits and they had Graphite stamped on them. :-\
Are you sure they had Graphite stamped on them? I know I bought one, so tomorrow I can pop in the garage and try and find it.
100% yes, I bought a couple of sets but they went on wheels/builds that are long gone. Wish he still sold them as they are handy things to have. You might as well dig yours out anyway to see if yours are the same.
I'll have a butchers tomorrow - I noticed the other day golo is still selling OS
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i had a single front graphite couple of years back,
was original silver colour, graphite stamped in the hub, and gn serial in the correct place.
Was deff untouched and hadnt had a hub replacement.
The previous seller was either the 1st or 2nd owner, and mentioned Skyway Pro's who were given them, could ask for gold or Natural silver.
I sold it, as prefer the gold all day long.
:4_17_5:
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Blue hubs ?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v472/billstup/sobel-1.jpg)
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just looked through an old bmx bi weekly and they were on about grey
graphites with blue hubs.they did talk a lot of cack sometimes though.
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I have a NOS hub in silver with Graphite stamped in.
I did here that the skyway team used graphites with silver hubs so they looked like regular tuffs, the Graphites were mega money back then.
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I have a NOS hub in silver with Graphite stamped in.
Me too! :shocked: Ozone was right, it's the one (a rear) I got from golo55 ages ago.
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Cool, I've been looking for some Skyway team graphites for a while now, they definetly made Graphites with the silver graphite Hubs, I helped restore a set some years ago, let me know if you ever want to sell ;) ::).
Mike Dominguez told me he actually just painted his hubs blue himself, Skyway did do a few different things with tuffs though, Rich Sigur ran blue tuffs with silver graphite (campy II ) hubs in and i've seen quite a few sets of white with gold graphite hubs in, most of the early Haro team ran these, Bob Haro, Ron Wilton, Rich Sigur, etc.
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This is a picture of Rich Sigur's actual wheel , it was given to a guy in the US by Rich, not so long ago....Cool.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q66/harogenone/sigur_tuff_3.jpg)
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Blue tuffs with gold hubs :smitten:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q66/harogenone/1981ad.jpg)
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Chris (wish id kept my TA) has a white tuff with 1st gen campy hub which Bob haro ran on his Master 84 :smitten:.......Ok i'll finsh now, back too Graphites with silver hubs :-[ ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q66/harogenone/DSC02407.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q66/harogenone/IMG_0001_edited-8.jpg)
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I had a set of graphs and from memory where team issued. Deffo had silver hubs, got some spare hubs with them at the time. They where damaged at the time and could be ones from the first page of this thread, pretty sure the wheels themselves where badly cracked, or at least one of them was. Memory not that good these days so could be slightly wrong :D
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Been doing more thinking about this, i think the serial number written inside the rim has a letter that denotes the fact it was a team issue. But i may have just dreamed that up :idiot2:
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a few yrs back i had a set of yellow tuffs, that i think i got fom rhys, lazychubs, with alloy colour hubs, with open bearings, not sealed, that were stamped graphite.
i put this down to the fact that they may have been a later run of alloy hubbed style, just before the plastic hub introduction, and skyway just wanted rid of their hubs that they had laying around, so anything got used, dont know though!!
Dave
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Been thinking about this all afternoon, yeah am sad. The team graphites where stiffer than normal graphites, that is why they are marked different on the serial numbers. Makes sence really, or why would they bother having team graphites.
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Been thinking about this all afternoon, yeah am sad. The team graphites where stiffer than normal graphites, that is why they are marked different on the serial numbers. Makes sence really, or why would they bother having team graphites.
You're no sad unless you think about it every day for months like me :LolLolLolLol:
Any idea what is different about the serials on team issue ones then as in how can you Id one?
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I have a NOS hub in silver with Graphite stamped in.
Me too! :shocked: Ozone was right, it's the one (a rear) I got from golo55 ages ago.
Here's a picture
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Skyway/DSCF0114.jpg)