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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Freestyle (frame stands and kickturns galore!) => Topic started by: Moose on March 28, 2006, 09:26 AM
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As some of you know, I'm working on trying to decipher the serial numbers of Haro Gen 1 freestylers and I need the following information to try and prove a theory:
What month did the Freestyler go on general sale (not just in the UK)?
What month did the Haro Master go on general sale?
What month did the Haro Sport go on general sale?
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By what month of this year do you need to know :LolLolLolLol:
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It's OK - I've decided to 'publish' my theory anyway.
Here's my theory along with possible (rough) production numbers. Slow to begin with - then increased because of demand - tailing off near the introduction of the Master - then the Master in small numbers to begin with - introduction of the Sport - switch to 2nd Gen of Master/Sport July/August '84?
It's only my opinion based on the numbers I've collected. There do appear to be anomilies, but these need to be confirmed (TOO 1515 F I suspect may be TQQ 1515 F)
Sep TZZ 0000-0100
Oct TYY 0100-0200
Nov TXX 0200-0300
Dec TWW 0300-0400
Jan TVV 0400-0600
Feb TUU 0600-0800
Mar TTT 0800-1000
Apr TSS 1000-1200
May TRR 1200-1400
Jun TQQ 1400-1600
Jul TPP 1600-1800
Aug TOO 1800-2100
Sep TNN 2100-2400
Oct TMM 2400-2700
Nov TLL 2700-3000
Dec TKK 3000-3400
Jan TJJ 3400-3800
Feb TII 3800-3900
Fabrication of Master Started
Mar THH 3900-4000
Apr TGG 4000-4200
May TFF 4200-4400
Fabrication of Sport Started
Jun TEE
Jul TDD
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I have no idea, although it may make sense - if your list starts in 82, i have a TSS that I recall picking up in the summer, so that must have been 83 (not 82) - so manufactured in April - shipped and 2 months or so later.
- I have PDF's of the Haro Catalogues from 84--> 88 Unfortunately these do not mention the month they were introduced. If you do not have these, and want a copy let me know and I will send them
Cheers
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Does anybody have one of the very first f/f which had a gap instead of welding between the bottom of the gusset and head tube ?
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There was one at bournemouth Billy, I remember taking note.
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Does anybody have one of the very first f/f which had a gap instead of welding between the bottom of the gusset and head tube ?
the one i had was like that
i figured all the gen one's were like that
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Nice work Phil , interesting , the sport T EE ???
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I know what you're thinking and you're wrong. :laugh:
Purely based on numbers and 'fitting in' the sequence. Highly possible I'm wrong (in fact most likely) :-\
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Does anybody have one of the very first f/f which had a gap instead of welding between the bottom of the gusset and head tube ?
the one i had was like that
i figured all the gen one's were like that
Only the very first ones were like that as they tended to crack between the gusset and head tube. When mine did I got my local bike shop to send it back to Gecko`s, who were the distributors then, so I would get a replacement, however they just welded it up and sent it back :(
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Ok Phil , only i was told of a possible find on another , but it hasn't been confirmed yet .
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Jay, did you ever suss out that early FST that you got from me through Graeme?
The funny tapered stay one?
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Never saw one that was open at the head tube, Mine was open at the down tube - also cracked at the fold by the open and the weld to the down tube - Gecko kindly welded this up for me also :(
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Does anybody have one of the very first f/f which had a gap instead of welding between the bottom of the gusset and head tube ?
Yes mine is like that. I will look at my serial no. later would like to know when it was made, i know i was about 10 when i bought. But theres has been a fair few pints and what everelse consumed since then
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It has now been confirmed that TOO 1515 F is actually TQQ 1515 F :daumenhoch:
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It has now been confirmed that TOO 1515 F is actually TQQ 1515 F :daumenhoch:
Nice one i can sleep tonight now.
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Never saw one that was open at the head tube, Mine was open at the down tube - also cracked at the fold by the open and the weld to the down tube - Gecko kindly welded this up for me also :(
Thats what I meant, but said it differently :daumenhoch:
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Jay, did you ever suss out that early FST that you got from me through Graeme?
Yep , early 85 .........but they are a strange frame , no serial numbers ,no chevrons , and nearly the same back end as the torker 2nd gen masters , so don't know if they were taiwan or usa ???
Ive still got it ....
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must say, i have never seen another, have you?
I have seen variations of the set up, but never the same frame?
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Yeah , seen a few orb , they are all in the states .........