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New School BMX 2004 - Now => New School Park, Street & Dirt => Topic started by: kev-s on August 31, 2010, 09:42 PM
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its not even a year old and the brake mount has cracked quite bad, have emailed 4down and hopefully will get a reply tomorrow on what can be done
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:LolLolLolLol: and this is why most cool kids nodays ride brakeless :LolLolLolLol: :uglystupid2:
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ooops
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:) Shoulda got a Standard :daumenhoch:
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Gutted.... :'(
Seen a brake mount snap clean off a mates LTF... :'(
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Gutted.... :'(
Seen a brake mount snap clean off a mates LTF... :'(
and your Liam's LTF snapped at the seatube too :(
Shhh Mark , you started the end of "Unknown bikes" :D,
You might have started the demise of the mighty S&M :shocked:
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bike killer :buck2:
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crikey! i have one of those dirtbikes! :shocked:
Though I'm guessing I don't ride mine as much as you do yours Kev.
that's an odd place to crack, has it just gone, ie dodgy USA workmanship or was there an impact involved?
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Nothing to fret about. Consider the amount of stress that goes through a brake lug. The law of averages commands that a few crack here and there. I've certainly seen some over the years. Just find out if it was originally welded or brazed and get it repaired.
I'd expect 4down to be cool with something like that though, it's hardly something that can be put down to rider abuse eh?
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contacted 4down and have sent them a copy of my reciept (big up stodgy for emailing me a copy :daumenhoch:)
just waiting for them to contact s&m to find out whats gonna be done about it
jt my dirtbike gets used 3-4 times a week and i regularly check everything over to make sure its tight & not damaged otherwise i wouldnt have noticed the crack till the mount snapped off prob on a abubbca :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
no impact involved, frame dose'nt even have one dent in it, the mount has cracked on the inside not the outside so nothing ive done has caused it
hasnt put me off s&m's one bit, had loads of em and this is the only one ive had a issue with in 18 years :daumenhoch:
just wanna get it sorted asap as im gonna have to use my mates spare mcneil whitton frame that has a 20.5 toptube :( :(
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How many S&M's have broke in the UK this year and last year then ??? Mostly LTF's to be fair but deffo others.
The hate I saw for Unknown bike co on here and other forums was fookin unreal and for probably way less than half of the broken S&M frames in the last 12 months and I mean WAY less.
I said it recently and again today, is it ok for a frame that costs £400ish to break if its cool?
I own several S&M's by the way and love them dearly
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How many S&M's have broke in the UK this year and last year then ??? Mostly LTF's to be fair but deffo others.
The hate I saw for Unknown bike co on here and other forums was fookin unreal and for probably way less than half of the broken S&M frames in the last 12 months and I mean WAY less.
I said it recently and again today, is it ok for a frame that costs £400ish to break if its cool?
I own several S&M's by the way and love them dearly
totally agree!
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Really? S&M's breaking? Who else has had one let go? :( Mind you who else has had any new school frame let go? Lets even the balance out here a bit i think :)
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i guess all manufacturers have frames that fail, probably on an even percentage across all makes/models
for example if you sell 200 maybe 2 will fail, 400 then 4 and so on, and this is probably the same for most of the trusted or "cool" established brands, i'd love to know the actual rate, but i guess no distributor or manufacturer is going to tell you that.
as for hate, you reap what you sow and i never cared about being popular. lol. but the unknown thing has been done to death hasn't it.
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Weren't unknowns letting go at an alarming rate though?
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no, it was only 3.
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Blimey i thought it was loads, never saw one just read about it :LolLolLolLol:
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i'd still ride one it if i had one........i use a set of their forks as well which are sweet!
i do however have to admitt (expect to be shot for this) but i've never liked S&M frames :shocked:
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I think that ALL frames could break. Either from a manufacturing mistake or from it being abused (anyone remember Stuart King Snapping the head tube off his platformed, life-time guaranteed, over built, Standard?). We all know that mistakes in manufacture do sometimes happen, and that if you ride a sub 4 lb frame to hard it will break. One reason from buying a bike from a well established bike co is so if there is a problem with it you have some come back and can get it sorted.
I thought that PART of the UK bikes problem was that they miss-led people into thinking they were a rider owned company who had some special process to make their frames super light without losing strength. Not just a large French bike co who made micro thin walled frames …. and then went under, making it hard to make guarantee claims.
I hope we don’t get back to a place where parts breaking is such a bad thing that bike companies are forced into over engineering everything, just for the 10% of riders who push parts that bit harder. It wasn’t fun riding a 10lb frame with 4Ib forks and almost solid bars
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40 pound bikes must have been fun to ride :LolLolLolLol:
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The ukbikeco hate came from way more than 3 frames breaking and the fact that Dibly was a liar
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40 pound bikes must have been fun to ride :LolLolLolLol:
no they all broke (well 3 of them did)....what...those frames cost more than £40?
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guys i agree with alex any frame can break and ( i remember stuart king snapping the headtube off his standard)
its the same in most business you are going to have a percentage of rejects/failures no matter how good your quality control is (this is something i do for a living, looking for mistakes/issues, recording details) we are only human so mistakes will be made
now what makes the difference is how the company deals with the problem
s&m have a damn good warranty dept and im sure my frame will be sorted
now how many other companies out there will sell you another one of thier frames quite a bit cheaper than retail price if you badly damage/dent your original frame from them?
not too many i suspect, most wouldnt care
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40 pound bikes must have been fun to ride :LolLolLolLol:
no they all broke (well 3 of them did)....what...those frames cost more than £40?
LOL! Think i meant 40lb :LolLolLolLol:
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4down got back to me today and they are gonna replace my dirtbike foc :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
only thing is the dirtbike is discontinued so may not be available so may have to choose another s&m frame
just gotta decide what i want
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result :daumenhoch:
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Hey hey, thats alright. Good old 4down/S&M
After everything we said about buying from decent companies I was worried that they might just tell you to stuff it up your ass
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Get an ATF... :daumenhoch:
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Randy Brown or Cam Wood
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get an FBM
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lol alex i never had any worry that they wouldnt sort something out, one of the reasons why we love s&m bikes
as for what frame to go for here is my dilema
the reason i bought a dirtbike and not any other frame is cause i wanted a strong 5lb frame esp after i killed my l.a.f
so if no dirtbike is avalible it leaves me with a choice of a atf, ltf, cardona, randy brown, cam wood or a stricker
now a atf is the base model most of the pro signature frames have started from so it dont seem very special to me
a cam wood has 10mm dropouts so thats out of the question
my best mate has a randy brown so dont really want the same as him
not too keen on the l.t.f dont know why
so it leaves the stricker (which im not to keen on the whole anchor thing)
or a cardona
now whatever i go for i doubt ill be able to get it in yellow, so do i change my colour scheme or get the frame repainted, id really like to keep my colour scheme as its different and ive grown bored of black, also whatever i get it must have gyro tabs
gonna have to have a good think about it
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ask em for a T1 instead, you have enough S&M's :LolLolLolLol:
I would go for an ATF and get a custom colour, thus making it special :daumenhoch:
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you never can have enough s&m's :LolLolLolLol:
keep looking at the atf and painting it a custom colour wont make it special its a bit like a pbr, just a basic no frills frame , it does the job but never has that special thing about it
why cant i have another yelow dirtbike frame :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
beringer should have a signature frame then id have one of those
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I'll send you pics of my ATF ...... when it finally gets here! (Its a custom one, there's not another one like it. Even down to the colour)
(and it'll be NOTHING like a PBR!)
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tbh guys i'd say most of the new frames can crack and i know this
through first hand experiance, my lad is 18 and a full on rider and so
are his mates and trust me through all of them they crack everything,
they all ride top brand frames but it's the nature of the beast that out of
so many hundred frames manufatured one or two have a defect and they crack,
i really dont think it's any blame at any frame but bad luck and that's it :daumenhoch:
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alex u have me interested :LolLolLolLol:
if s&m didnt do the whole customised frame thing then a standard atf would be like a pbr
i dont think i can have a custom built frame, as basicly mine is a warranty replacement so i can only choose a standard frame and not have one custom built, which tbh dosent bother me as long as its a good strong frame
if i cant get another dirtbike then it looks like ill get a cardona
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alex u have me interested :LolLolLolLol:
if s&m didnt do the whole customised frame thing then a standard atf would be like a pbr
No current S&M frames are like the PBR, esp the ATF. I didnt like my PBR at all. I switched back to a challenger after that beast. It had massive dropouts, big gussets and it weighed a ton.
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im not comparing the atf and pbr in weight, dropout size etc...
what i was getting at is it seems like to me that the standard off the shelf atf from the current s&m range is a no frills frame just like the pbr was
but once you start customising it its like your own signature frame as its the basis of all the s&m pro signature frames :daumenhoch:
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what i was getting at is it seems like to me that the standard off the shelf atf from the current s&m range is a no frills frame just like the pbr was
A no frills frame ......... like the dirtbike was, in the 90s and the new one.
I think you are underselling the ATF. They are very nice. I dont like very short back ends or seat stay brake mounts. Other than that, mine is "off the shelf". I think my LAF is more basic than the ATF.
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Does the new Stricker still have the Anchor? I thought they had got rid of that for his new frame,
if you are a burly rider i would go with the Stricker over a Cardona
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i know the dirtbike is a no frills frame but the dirtbike has the history of being a classic s&m, the camwood, cardona etc.. are those riders sig frames so they will always have that connection, the atf dosent have any connection thats kinda what im getting at
its not about the actual frame, more the history/ connection to riders which makes some frames feel more special, i think thats what im getting at bit like a mk1 or a ramp room condor is more special than a taiwain built one
if i can have a custom frame then a atf could be a contender because it would be special to me
im currently riding a mcneil with a 20.75tt and a short back end, im so used to a 21in tt and a 14in rear end that i thought i wouldnt like it but it feels quite good
the stricker still has the anchor but it is cut into the rear seat stay tube so isnt as obivous and can be covered with a sticker if i wanted
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just out of interest as 4down are sorting it, could you not get a Fit frame, the new S4 frame is pretty decent, Mikey Aitken sig so couldn't ask for more, If I were getting a new frame that would be top of my list
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proberbly but i want another s&m, been riding s&m's for 18 years and still love em :daumenhoch:
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i know the dirtbike is a no frills frame but the dirtbike has the history of being a classic s&m, the camwood, cardona etc.. are those riders sig frames so they will always have that connection, the atf dosent have any connection thats kinda what im getting at
its not about the actual frame, more the history/ connection to riders which makes some frames feel more special, i think thats what im getting at bit like a mk1 or a ramp room condor is more special than a taiwain built one
OK, I think ive worked out what you are saying. The PBR wasnt any riders sig frame, it didnt become a "classic" S&M, and it didnt have any thing really special about it. You are saying that the ATF is a bit like that. (btw, Do you see the LAF in the same way?)
I understand what you mean but I chose an AFT BECAUSE of the actual frame. The geometry, the weight, the look, not cos of what its called. I dont know if it will become a classic, or if it will be forgotten in a few years but Im looking forward to riding it. Cant wait!
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you got it alex :daumenhoch: didnt help the way i tried to explain it
i liked my laf but it didnt feel special to me but i got damn cheap and it was a nice frame to ride
one of the reasons i bought my dirtbike was because i wanted a good strong frame after my laf died and it was a classic s&m in a classic colour which made it more special to me
but i keep looking at the atf and if i cant have a dirtbike then its will have to be a atf or a stricker