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Title: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: martylaa on September 03, 2010, 04:54 PM
As above did they make more DY's than the AP's? If so whats a good price nowadays for either Frame with Forks???
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: martylaa on September 03, 2010, 05:02 PM
yeah me too glen, gonna have to see if i can find soime info on numbers, might email jim melton see what he says???
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: SALTYCLEM on September 03, 2010, 05:06 PM
You could try and find a early 85 JMC freddie jines ltd edition, only 7 built in Orange  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: markyp on September 03, 2010, 05:14 PM
defo the ap's,rare as rockin horse plop! :D
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: martylaa on September 03, 2010, 05:29 PM
jmc freddie jones ltd??? WTF???
never heard of one of those before any pics???
emailed jim and ginna om lee he knows his jmc bmx stuff, i think.......
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: gossa on September 03, 2010, 07:39 PM
I would have thought there would be way less AP's made as DY was on JMC for a lot longer than AP and the AP was designed for much bigger riders so the DY's would fit more. Also by the time the AP came out, JMC wasn't as sexy and desirable as a lot of other brands that came out at the time. Just my tuppence.
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: gt_lover on September 03, 2010, 08:11 PM
contact jim milton, i met him at the old school bmx society show back in june and hes a cool dude im sure he will give you an answer!!  8)
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: brass monkey! on September 03, 2010, 08:19 PM
Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???


................there's only one way to find out !!


FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT !!  :LolLolLolLol:

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/oo92/no0bn0ob/hillnod.gif)
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: (((sonic))) on September 03, 2010, 08:40 PM
Def the AP Marty, only 333 were made, the bars are near impossibe to find too..

I may have a mate that may be parting with a DY soon, both frames are amazing, not much between them...

The white is an AP the chrome a DY...

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ll466/pr200/Frames%20Forks/DYAP5.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ll466/pr200/Frames%20Forks/DYAP6.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ll466/pr200/Frames%20Forks/DYAP1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ll466/pr200/Frames%20Forks/DYAP2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ll466/pr200/Frames%20Forks/DYAP.jpg)


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Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: HUTCHMAN on September 03, 2010, 08:47 PM
Sonic,is your DY an 84(judging by the externally butted b.b and the small tube betwen the chain stays)? look much better than the 85 version without either.
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: (((sonic))) on September 03, 2010, 08:51 PM
Spot on Hutchman, The DY is a 84 build with the machined BB, quite rare in its on right.......
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: mark 2 on September 03, 2010, 08:53 PM
Here's some info ponced from bmxmuseum

Here is a list of the JMC frames and approximant dates they were made.  11 different frames were made.
1976 Six or more Prototypes. Short JMC Standards and Long JMC Standards.
4/6/1977     1st production Short JMC Standard for David Wilson JMC1
6/15/1977     1st production Long JMC Standard for Clint Miller JMC20
1978     Tear drop forks
2/7/1980     1st JMC Mini JMC1801
3/25/1980     1st JMC Black Shadow JMC2177
( I don't remember when we started using the K)
5/16/1980   1st JMC Special Later named 3.1XL by Matt Raymer of Oklahoma JMC2457
9/19/1980     1st JMC Chrome Bike JMC Mini JMC2815
9/19/1980 1st Bike to use the name 3.1XL Chrome sold to HUTCH MX Racing XL3181
11/25/1980     1st Chrome JMC Shadow Scarlett's Schwinn K3733
7/1981     1st Red JMC Shadow for DY k6097, k6098 was also Darrells but black
1/12/1982     K8201 was the first frame to use the first 2 numbers as the year
1/14/1982     1st JMC 16" Pit Bike Jason Wharton Chrome P16-1 (110 made)
Feb/1982     Production colored JMC Shadows
4/1982     1st 24" JMC Cruiser made
9/15/1982     1st JMC JR Mini The JR was for Justin Roos only about 54 made
10/24/1983     1st Darrell Young Design DYXP 1 and DYXP 2 both red.
April/1984     1st JMC Micro Mini. I think there was 85 made.
8/2/1984     1st JMC Andy Patterson Series 278 made in 1984 & 55+ made in 1985
K3733 was the 1st Chrome Shadow
Courtesy of Jim Melton



http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/info/123/
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: HUTCHMAN on September 03, 2010, 08:57 PM
like the Skyway registery,would be good to get a JMC registery going.any thoughts?
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: billstup on September 03, 2010, 09:16 PM
Quote
8/2/1984     1st JMC Andy Patterson Series 278 made in 1984 & 55+ made in 1985

If thats right then JMC were making the f/f a fair bit before Andy left Skyway, he was still riding for Skyway at the 1st Kellogs in 1984 which was in May or June   ???
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: (((sonic))) on September 04, 2010, 08:51 AM
Interesting...................Jims records are spot on so its a little strange, cross over...
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: snav69 on September 04, 2010, 09:15 AM
But wouldn't that date mean 2nd August 1984 Billy  ??? as it's the american date system  :-\

 :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: billstup on September 04, 2010, 05:13 PM
But wouldn't that date mean 2nd August 1984 Billy  ??? as it's the american date system  :-\

 :coolsmiley:

Yeah that`s probably it  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: (((sonic))) on September 08, 2010, 03:13 AM
Marty,

I think it was about 1000 DY's made compared to the 333 AP's, not a bif difference between both framesets as you can see by the pics, If i recall correctly i think the AP"s are 0.5" longer in the rear triangle....................

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Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: Jt on September 09, 2010, 11:12 AM
best looking bmx race frame for me.

just stunning no matter how you put them together.

i bought my DY complete off ebay, and was chuffed to bits to find it had AP forks on it, and an original padset.

result!

few tweeks later and a whim of a powder colour and it ended up with this.....any excuse to put this picture up :D


(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q204/jonathonsturner/DSC00719.jpg)
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: snav69 on September 09, 2010, 11:32 AM
Lovely that Jon  :smitten:
 :4_17_5:

 :coolsmiley:

Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: (((sonic))) on September 09, 2010, 11:46 AM
Is your DY an '84 or '85, lovely stuff!

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Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: Jt on September 09, 2010, 11:47 AM
cant remember.

84 sounds right though
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: (((sonic))) on September 09, 2010, 12:01 PM
Nice, i do prefer the earlier ones, when you grab the serial # i would love to know.....cracking stuff mate  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: Jt on September 09, 2010, 12:34 PM
dy85188, so an 85
Title: Re: Which is rarer JMC Darrell Young or JMC Andy Patterson???
Post by: (((sonic))) on September 10, 2010, 11:26 AM
Lovely, its all class......  :daumenhoch:
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