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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on September 19, 2010, 03:03 PM
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Picked this up from a mate this morning
chrome frame - bottom tube is tear drop aero - top tube is round but has a slight oval to top and bottom, strange to describe as it's not oval like some frames and not round completely ?
three hole gusset under plates
brake bridge is round with round brake stay button
on the rear drop outs - one side is stamped CR-MO - other side is T4082363 ?
forks have a tear drop to them - solid bottom with a hole in each leg
stem is a flip loader - don't know if this is correct for bike or what year or make it is ? anyone !
seat is layback with Cr -Mo on the top of it where the seat clamp is
seat post clamp says BMX on it ?
pic's
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15854.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15855.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15858.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15859.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15861.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15862.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15863.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15866.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15867.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15868.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15869.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15870.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15871.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15872.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15873.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15874.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15876.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15875.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15878.jpg)
and i can't work out what the decal would have been ?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15880.jpg)
cheers B
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Muddy Fox?????
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looks like a generic tange fisheye drop out frame
used by a load of firms
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probably 1984 Akisu akisu :D
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/38861
EDIT: Hm, not so sure anymore --- the lower backstays look different.
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another akisu: http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=178373 dropouts very similar. can't see the gusset (if there is one). backstays seem same.
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jaymz has done a bit of magic with his computer and recaon the words could be MMACO ? missing a A at some time ?
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second look at the second found Akisu, and it looks a 99% match so far ?
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i'd say 95% ;D as we haven't found the gusset yet
here's something to read for ya , haven't read it yet myself---- burt seems to be your bike at first glance-----maybe these guy found out what it is bon appétit ;)
--->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D27029939
EDIT: just read it -- most say its shwinn Thrasher---- i tend to believe the last guy more in this case: "akisu", because i seem to remember that the gusset is slighty different in a thrasher, the dropouts even more
96,5% :D
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I can see why they think it might be a schwinn thasher - and why he was told a cycle pro as well - both have a similar look - but i'm mostly think it's gonna be a Akisu 82'
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/30347
from what i can see of the frame and geometry it's not bad - as most people come to know the name Akisu, as cheaper second rate maker of frames and parts - i think this has a good feel about it and can hold it's own against some of the better makes from 82'
it has nice welds on it - geomitry looks ok - and it's looks are ok and with the different tubing it's cool 8) i will clean it up and see what would work for it with parts ;)
a big cheers to fischflo :daumenhoch:
84 Akisu - seem to near match with frame
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/38034
83 Akisu - forks and frame are a close match
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/37470
85 Akisu - brake bridge sems to match
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/9669
so it seem to be most parts of the above ones - AKISU 100%
Cheers all 8) B
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boing, we got it nailed, Mr. Bendycat :coolsmiley:
proper frame, cool tubing and it's in good nick ....what more need one say, bring er up! :daumenhoch:
:yahoo_silent:
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BUT - now there's a guy on Museum saying T4 = TANGE ?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15863.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15862.jpg)
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yea, Madd Dogg said tange , too :-\ also the T was bugging me aswell . Now whatta we do? :(
can't you just pay that guy on museum to stop saying that ... ? :D
nah, lets see if we can find a Tange zthat can take it up with our akisu :yahoo_silent: :smiley6600:
dum di dumm....
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would like it better if it was Tange ! but all the other Akisu bikes on museum seem very similaur with bits of parts ?
could tange make it and Akisu copy it ? could Akisu make it and send it to Tange ? could Akisu send tange the parts to put it together ? has any one seen a serial number like that ? is it like a Tange number ?
my brain is frying ficshflo ;D :D
anybody out there help as well ?
cheers B ;) :D :idiot2:
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Is Tange better...?
If you have an account on museum, why don't you ask that akisu guy from the 2nd link i sent --- if his has our kind of gusset. Or our kind of frame#.
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I can see why they think it might be a schwinn thasher - and why he was told a cycle pro as well - both have a similar look - but i'm mostly think it's gonna be a Akisu 82'
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/30347
Cheers all 8) B
bendy, that cyclepro has macho on the frame. . .so close to mmaco as per my post on RB.com, now that has put a cat amongst my pigeons!!!
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I think you have a frame and forks made by a company called DRAGON.
I used to ride one these in 1984.
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Ammaco Team pro ???
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tell me more dean ;)
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ficshflo - lee from burnerworld put this pic up and said he had one bitd - but can't remeber if Tange of Akisu ?
only the under gusset is not on
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/aero.jpg)
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another cousin http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=640556 this time its got the gusset, but the drops are different :laugh:
the observation of one guy -'Pretender'- again, if its correct, enforces our conclusion: "MT, Cyclepro, Norco and a few others had this type of gusset on some of their Akisu frames."
....apparently it's called :angel: the 'holy gusset' LOL oOO :LolLolLolLol:
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looking at his it looks like blind monkeys made that :shocked: mine has a different feel to it - it looks like some one know how to weld a frame
his doesn't have a T on it and the Cr-Mo is different along with the serial stamp, the way it is done ? and check out the poorly done "holy gusset holes" compared to mine ?
looking at them side by side you can see his is badly done and cheap looking ?
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looking at them side by side you can see his is badly done and cheap looking ?
....maybe the welder just had a better day on your bike :P
A) read what alano has to say about that/your kind of brake bridge:
-->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php'showtopic=27025471&pid=697280&mode=threaded&show=&st=#entry697280
-->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php'showtopic=27025471&pid=707462&mode=threaded&show=&st=#entry707462
B) ((........ he seems to be right about this: http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=1491666#p1491666))
C)^^ check out the 'weepholes' in the chainstays by the bottombracket --- ....?.
"D)" http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=2039352 ........ akisu typical welds? Several people say so!
>:( if it only weren't for that stupid serial# :10_2_12: In the end, it just may be a Tange afterall -- then again, show me a Tange with a holy gusset LOL ;D
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/stormer/34011 same dropouts? foxbat, too, seems to have those :crazy2:
have you asked the 2nd link guy yet?
would also be good to ask lee if he knew for the name of hisa bike (wild shot: aero destroyer? :-X)
"Take the forks off and look at the steerer tube as it may be stamped on there." (retrogeezer)
:D
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nothing on the fork tube
most evidence points to it being a Akisu
as for the T ?
one thing that i did wonder about is the process at the Akisu factory - if other brands where made there or not ? as some peeps have said they made frames for other companys ?
so if they made frames for a living - did they have a low end and a high end ? as it seems that some of the frames are badly done and some have seen a bit more love care and attention when being made with a higher spec feel
so i'm going to say AKISU TANGE COPY HIGHER END FRAME
It has parts/geomitry similuar to most of the Akisu found in threads
it has a nice geomitry and a better made feel to it
clean welds
and a overall feel that, if had it not been for a different serial number and a coulpe of bits found out afters searching - that it could have been classified as a Tange made frame
I'm gonna give it a clean and see what it come up like - then work out what parts to build it up like
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/BMX/SNC15854.jpg)
A big thank you to Ficshflo for all his work on finding threads and about it
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on a side note the stem looks like a Kusuki Hinged stem
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all read what scrapload thinks ? now i am confussed :D
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Guys, from memory Akisu made loads of frames for lots of different companies, I had one a couple of years ago that looked the same as that, couldnt fault the quality, and Im sure when I made enquiries Akisu was a manufacturer who churned out loads of stuff, mainly for other "manufacturers"
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.... Akisu also made frames for DB, some Burners and I think even Hutch. So can't be that bad....
what you mean, Bendy? You got news? :LolLolLolLol:
someone shows your bike.....
http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php's=ec3cd39f1eab999ded643b6d7bba321f&showtopic=27029939&st=0 ::)
.... and someone answers "I ave an Akisu Aero Pro with three holes like that." ::)
.... someone else says: "Those things with the three holes in the gusset were made by Taiwanese company Akisu."
ignore the talk ... just the proximity of the button , the redline style gusset, the stamped drops (ok, the other kind) and the word
http://www.bmx-lounge.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=00006bbb1e3d32ddb697145c3710dae1&topic=4256.msg28125#msg28125
......."AKISU" :LolLolLolLol:
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no need to ask the owner
the 2nd link bike: "aero shark" ......... no gusset :'( (too bad, because the backward C in the serial# seems to be an akisu telltale sign) ... dropouts alsó slightly different
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=1731100 ..read post#9 -->LOL!
((anothetr aero shark, just cause the 'prism' decals are so cool http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=247539&p=1
Anyway... i digress..oopps, gotta go :smiley6600:
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I recently picked up one of these here in the U.S. I've never heard of Kosoku or Akisu before this. Pretty sure it's not Akisu, those were Taiwanese made right and different dropouts/welds etc. I have a Flying Rhino (a.k.a Rhino Axeblade) also and the welds are almost exactly the same. This makes me think they are Japan/Tange made? It's also likely different manufacturers purchased the raw "aero" tubing etc. Maybe why there's different drop outs, chain stays etc.
What I am pretty sure of is that mine looks exactly like a Norco Spitfire Turbo with out the head badge. http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/norco/13089 It also looks exactly like the Frame at the beginning of this thread, except mine is missing the under gusset.
Not sure if you ever came to a final conclusion on yours.
Here's mine.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/name-frames-007.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/name-frames-003.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/name-frames-005.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/name-frames-009.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/name-frames-008.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/name-frames-006.jpg)
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Hi there mate ;) I've not started work on mine
I see that what you say about different company's buying up aero tubing and welding it up to make what they needed for that bmx and geometry
how do your welds compare to mine ?
is your brake bridge like mine close up
would have liked mine to be a tange made frame for some lesser company as one of there top bikes but just can't be sure to say ?
just been looking at the norco bmx and seen one with the bottom brace
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/norco/3658
the norco's look to have a selection of different used parts to make up a frame - like we have seen with the akisu range - so maybe norco bought tubing to make frames for them selfs - any one have any more info on norco and there range of bikes - any mag ads ?
cheers B ;)
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how do your welds compare to mine ?
is your brake bridge like mine close up
would have liked mine to be a tange made frame for some lesser company as one of there top bikes but just can't be sure to say ?
just been looking at the norco bmx and seen one with the bottom brace
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/norco/3658
the norco's look to have a selection of different used parts to make up a frame - like we have seen with the akisu range - so maybe norco bought tubing to make frames for them selfs - any one have any more info on norco and there range of bikes - any mag ads ?
cheers B ;)
Our brake bridges are the same. My welds match that of Tange quality as I have a Tange Rhino Axeblade (Flying Rhino) and have had other Tange frames in the past. If it is Taiwanese made, then it's quality build.
Norco was just a brand/importer, they didn't actually manufacture. The Norco and Kosoku are the closest match I have, just the head tube stickers/badge don't match.
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I reckon thats another Akisu made frame, as said before in this thread Akisu made frames for loads of brands, if you wanted a frame made because you didn't have manufacturing capabilities you went to them and they made it, to differentiate the frames between the brands they made them slightly different by adding a gusset or using different tubing. Akisu made Aero Replay/Aero Shark, Falcon Pro, Schwinn and Norco and possibly Haro and Redline.
The frames appear to be pretty good quality and I think the fact loads have survived backs this up.
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I reckon thats another Akisu made frame, as said before in this thread Akisu made frames for loads of brands, if you wanted a frame made because you didn't have manufacturing capabilities you went to them and they made it, to differentiate the frames between the brands they made them slightly different by adding a gusset or using different tubing. Akisu made Aero Replay/Aero Shark, Falcon Pro, Schwinn and Norco and possibly Haro and Redline.
The frames appear to be pretty good quality and I think the fact loads have survived backs this up.
I'm sure you are right. Tange did the same thing essentially. Hence all the variations there. I was just hoping to nail down the brand for mine. The Closest match is the Norco and Kosoku thus far, the only differences being the Headbadge and or sticker. I'll choose Norco if I can find a head badge. :)
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Well, the plot thickens a little :P.. I got the forks that were on the frame when found. They are in fact Tange, and exactly the same forks on my Flying Rhino.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/tange-fork-21-2.jpg)
Some on the Museum came to the conclusion it was Akisu made like Tange. Just for sh!$'s and giggles here are three examples of drop out welds. First, the mystery frame, second Tange and third Akisu. Check out the difference between the mystery frame and an all "Akisu". They mystery frame is like 50/50, Tange on the outside, Akisu on the in.
Mystery Frame
Outside drop out welds
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/unkown-outside-dropout.jpg)
Inside drop out welds
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/unkown-inside-dropout.jpg)
Tange Frame
Outside drop out welds
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/tange-outside-dropout.jpg)
Inside drop out welds
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/tange-inside-dropout.jpg)
Akisu Frame
Outside drop out welds
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/akisu-outside-dropout.jpg)
Inside drop out welds
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx76/bloud222/Unkown%20Frames/akisu-inside-dropout.jpg)