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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: oldskooldayz on January 25, 2011, 08:12 PM
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Hi peeps I need to get this frame m forks painted so who can do it for me please as sbd doesn't do it
Any help would be grateful
Cheers
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There is a guy on burnerworld that does them but not sure of name. I think he is on here aswell but not as often :daumenhoch:
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FHM reader on here and burnerworld. He has his own sticky in the for sale section on BW.
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Sweet I will pm him :daumenhoch:
Thanks for that
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Send it to chip@c4 thtas were mine is heading :4_17_5:
I'm sure FHM reader charges around £85 inc return postage. Chips work is highly rated and rightly so but the shipping must be killing you. :shocked: Unless you can fly there and back, E.T. stylee. :)
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Hiya mate I cant help you but you could help me ;)
I need a template/dimentions of the gusset off an ET.
Can you help please :daumenhoch:
Cheers mate.
Craig
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Send it to chip@c4 thtas were mine is heading :4_17_5:
I'm sure FHM reader charges around £85 inc return postage. Chips work is highly rated and rightly so but the shipping must be killing you. :shocked: Unless you can fly there and back, E.T. stylee. :)
shiping aint to bad i just paid 100 bux for a complete bike without wheels and tyres straight to my door
tis a shame dan dont do it cos hes the only guy i TRUST but dont blame him..........so it has to be chip :daumenhoch:
Look forward to seeing this build. I suppose this really is your last one. ;D
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Hiya mate I cant help you but you could help me ;)
I need a template/dimentions of the gusset off an ET.
Can you help please :daumenhoch:
Cheers mate.
Craig
Not another fake E.t in the making ::)
More snide ones knocking about , than Kuwahara made of the real ones now :D
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i cannot understand why there is a shortage of ET kuwahara's, kuwahara made more ET's than any other bmx bitd... ???
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i would like to paint a ET frame but would need the colour codes
if this helps anyone ask glynnyboy if you need some back ground on me
cheers OBB
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i was just wondering, how come dan won't do an E.T. with his skills? :-\
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i was just wondering, how come dan won't do an E.T. with his skills? :-\
takes too long and easy to fook up, thats why i wont do it, unless your prepared to pay me a days wage, which is how long it will take to get it right.... :coolsmiley:
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i was just wondering, how come dan won't do an E.T. with his skills? :-\
takes too long and easy to fook up, thats why i wont do it, unless your prepared to pay me a days wage, which is how long it will take to get it right.... :coolsmiley:
:shocked: i take it thats the reply from dan! i'd pay him £100 to do it! :2funny:
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no its a reply from me, presuming his reasons for not doing it are the same as mine ;),
and your offer for £100 is the very reason why, no one will pay the right money for it, you could quite easily do it yourself if you go to halfords and get...
1/ 2 cans of peugeot diablo red.
2/ 1 can of diamond white.
3/ 2 cans of high build primer
4/ 2 cans of 2 pack laquar.
5/ various grades of wet n dry to prep your frame with.
6/ masking tape
and see how much your bill will be at the checkout.... ;)
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i did this a few weeks ago, i took my time doing it just to see if i could get it right, i did... but wouldnt want to do it for a living.... :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ii194/quattro2008/006-6.jpg)
god knows how the did them back at the factory bitd...... :idiot2:
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no its a reply from me, presuming his reasons for not doing it are the same as mine ;),
and your offer for £100 is the very reason why, no one will pay the right money for it, you could quite easily do it yourself if you go to halfords and get...
1/ 2 cans of peugeot diablo red.
2/ 1 can of diamond white.
3/ 2 cans of high build primer
4/ 2 cans of 2 pack laquar.
5/ various grades of wet n dry to prep your frame with.
6/ masking tape
and see how much your bill will be at the checkout.... ;)
chill winston, i didn't realise you did it sam! i was only wondering why sbd wouldn't take it on! question answered! isn't even my thread, and not doing an E.T, and the 100 quid was a joke! :daumenhoch:
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p.s you must be on a good day rate sam! :coolsmiley:
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not took personnaly.... :daumenhoch:
but tbh no one really wants to spend £100 on a frame re-paint, thats why i used your offer as an example.... ;)
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tbh guys it's only because i'm so busy with the normal frames that i choose not
to do the ET, i'd probs want £200 min for the job just because how time consuming
it would be and the colours needed, i had a good chat with stevecosta last saturday
and said to him that i could paint 4 standard frames in the same time it woud take to
paint the ET and because i only paint frames in after work hours i just couldnt fit
the time in :daumenhoch:
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tbh guys it's only because i'm so busy with the normal frames that i choose not
to do the ET, i'd probs want £200 min for the job just because how time consuming
it would be and the colours needed, i had a good chat with stevecosta last saturday
and said to him that i could paint 4 standard frames in the same time it woud take to
paint the ET and because i only paint frames in after work hours i just couldnt fit
the time in :daumenhoch:
fair comment dan, if i wanted a pucka job doing, and it was gonna cost that, then so be it! you can pay that to have your car bonnet painted! :daumenhoch:
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I hope FHM Reader doesn't read this thread as he might put his prices up. :-X He could double his price and still be competitive. :D
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tbh guys it's only because i'm so busy with the normal frames that i choose not
to do the ET, i'd probs want £200 min for the job just because how time consuming
it would be and the colours needed, i had a good chat with stevecosta last saturday
and said to him that i could paint 4 standard frames in the same time it woud take to
paint the ET and because i only paint frames in after work hours i just couldnt fit
the time in :daumenhoch:
fair comment dan, if i wanted a pucka job doing, and it was gonna cost that, then so be it! you can pay that to have your car bonnet painted! :daumenhoch:
fook me thats cheap for a bonnet ;D
mates rates! :D
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Wow didn't think it had so much work involved in it
I see why you don't want to do it mate
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Ground colour is grey
over that you need the pearl red paint
after that its the white paint: Thats the right order to paint it
they also did it in the factory
so no coat but paint :daumenhoch:
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Just paint the whole frame red then dip each end in white paint... :daumenhoch:
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I hope FHM Reader doesn't read this thread as he might put his prices up. :-X He could double his price and still be competitive. :D
his price does seem really cheap if that includes materials as well as stripping
the old paint off ???
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I hope FHM Reader doesn't read this thread as he might put his prices up. :-X He could double his price and still be competitive. :D
his price does seem really cheap if that includes materials as well as stripping
the old paint off ???
The people I know who've sent him frames had stripped them themselves but he still gave them a quick blast prior to powdering them. I'm sure the price includes materials and return shipping.
A full strip >:D might be classed as an extra. :daumenhoch:
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Go on, give it a go yourself 8)
(http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/43663/2058172470096618541S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/41596/2038622020096618541S425x425Q85.jpg)
What have you got to lose...apart from 2 cans of red, 1 white, lacquer... primer..... a day sanding & prep..... err....:P
(I did actually cock it up first time so this was the 2nd attempt) :'(
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Go on, give it a go yourself 8)
(http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/43663/2058172470096618541S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/41596/2038622020096618541S425x425Q85.jpg)
What have you got to lose...apart from 2 cans of red, 1 white, lacquer... primer..... a day sanding & prep..... err....:P
(I did actually cock-a-doodle-do it up first time so this was the 2nd attempt) :'(
That does look pretty amazing for a DIY effort. :daumenhoch: :4_17_5:
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I hope the frames getting done are actual Kuwies and not molested Tange Hot Hearts :'(
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As far as I'm aware it's a Kuwi
Gussett hole is too small to be a drilled out hot heart
Frame is a T3 but that only the year
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I hope the frames getting done are actual Kuwies and not molested Tange Hot Hearts :'(
So do I dude ???...I blimmin love them and now kick myself for not buying one a few years ago when they were cheap :'( :uglystupid2: :tickedoff:
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I hope the frames getting done are actual Kuwies and not molested Tange Hot Hearts :'(
I can confirm mine as the real deal, had it since 1983, still got the receipt & owners handbook :coolsmiley:
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Joe mate , E.T's are all T2 ???
and it is possible to make a Hot heart the exact same size gusset hole as a KYZ E.T ,that's why there's so many copies :-\ , apart from the bad attempt ones ;D
Its probably a Kuwahara KYZ
To be honest I'd have a do yourself ,, all you need is patience ,, it took me basically a weekend to do one, and £70 for quality paint made into aerosols
Here's one I did about 3 years ago ( terrible photos :( )
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/u24/hunterdubber/PICT0041.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/u24/hunterdubber/PICT0043.jpg)
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Wow all the hot heart jobs I've seen always look like a bigger hole to me
But I will take your word for it
So tell me why must they all be T2 stamped then as the number only dictates the year
I understand the first ones came alone in 82 but why not 83 or am I missing something
Were they not produced in 83 due to demand ?
Yep seen the kyz frames and they are identical in everyway from what I can see
Other then the forks they came with
Oh and great attemp it looks really sweet for a can job
I just don't have the time to do it myself and it would probably come out looking more like B.T than E.T :LolLolLolLol:
Cheers
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Yeah rule of thumb is 1982 for E.T's and most Hot heart /Mamba 1983 , although I saw a 1982 Chrome Hot heart frame sell in Austrailia last year ::)
The only genuine E.T's I 've seen on here have been Gashead's , Meticulous, glynnyboy ,J.T racing, Church,Splodge and Radman's /mine
but I've seen more than double that many copies on here and Ebay without looking for them.
Some very very good copies ,,some not so good
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All depending on what year some KYZ's have the same rear looptail
but different gusset holes , slightly wider and a small hole near it on the gusset (like a KZ! has)
(http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_3224_blowup.jpg)
This one has the same size gusset hole as an E.T :) :) :)
(http://bmxmuseum.com/image/1kyz_lg.jpg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBCBpSBYvjdlWFpXBHsFyIqCBbVVod70h3tjxFMqTnIGV5CFEQ&t=1)
KYZ converted to an E.T. ,, but wrong size diameter hole on this one :crazy2:
(http://bmxmuseum.com/image/et_22_blowup.jpg)
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See what your saying on the kz same little hole mine defo doesn't have that
And the hole on mine is not like that kyz one you have shown
Even though mine is probably a kyz I'm still on the fence about them not being produced with a t3 stamp
I reckon due to over manufacture they also had em chromed and sold as kyz's
I have had my frame up against an 82 e.t and it's exactly the same from welds to gusset hole
So really interesting stuff this is
Would love to know the real production backroom outage on the frame
To see what happened and howvthey treated all the stock
As a nova is again the same frMe witout the gusset and that's an 83
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DAMM mines a kz1 guess its a snide :'( :buck2:
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Well not according to the film , Elliot doesn't ride an E.T. Kuwahara :D
God that sounds wrong
Yours is gonna be even more genuine filo mou Costa :daumenhoch::shocked:
:LolLolLolLol:
The Hot hearts and KYZ's are the ones that get used for snides , ,,,the rear looptail :daumenhoch:
Fookin hell Costa :D you'd need proper skills ,,and be an absolute loon to ruin a KZ1 ,,chopping the back end off it :shocked:
then fabricate a rear looptail end , and weld it on .. :LolLolLolLol:
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Joe , I'm with you what your saying about stock and using stuff up on different production runs
,, the KYZ were made with the same metal .by the same people, in the same factory
just the will have left in a different year , with different paint or chrome finishes
All companies did or do the same
the Diamond back small gusset silver streak became the Pacer 500, ,only difference year manufacture and decals ;)
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See what your saying on the kz same little hole mine defo doesn't have that
And the hole on mine is not like that kyz one you have shown
Even though mine is probably a kyz I'm still on the fence about them not being produced with a t3 stamp
I reckon due to over manufacture they also had em chromed and sold as kyz's
I have had my frame up against an 82 e.t and it's exactly the same from welds to gusset hole
So really interesting stuff this is
Would love to know the real production backroom outage on the frame
To see what happened and howvthey treated all the stock
As a nova is again the same frMe witout the gusset and that's an 83
Put some pics of the gusset and stamp up so the Kuwahara buffs on here (not me :-[) can have a gander...
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Those pics of the KYZ's look as though the seat tube is longer than ET's therefore the rear triangle from the seat tube to the rear drop outs looks steeper, is that just the angle of the pics or sonething else different? ???
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I will pop senpics up late late enough when I'm home
So can be seen tomorrow
Oh and just incase it's read wrong I didn't mean that a nova is a E.T just without the gusset just ment as stated parts being used up
Cheers
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i fancy doing an et one day ,,,but to the same spec as elliots in the film :daumenhoch:
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i fancy doing an et one day ,,,but to the same spec as elliots in the film :daumenhoch:
Getting the KZ1 frameset is the easy bit
Very hard work to decide the parts spec to go with Glen , as they used a few different bike for Elliott in the movie , it actually changes in different scenes :D
but then again you could just say you've got it right , as it's just educated guessing , looking at freeze frames of the movie,,
I don't think even Howie Cohen would even no for sure and he supplied the movie bikes for Speilberg :D
Danny D I think is doing one in his group of 3 E.T's
and Jimwise has done a good Elliot movie Kuwy, but should've been on a KZ1 frame a few years ago
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j135/jimwise68/DSC02366.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j135/jimwise68/DSC02254.jpg)
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back to the paint work, is there certain dimensions on the white to red,
some of the pics looks differant where the fade on the top tube starts
and also the straight line mask on the rear loop, on the top tube some of the
pics the white looks really short in length :)
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Here's a Kuwahara KZ1 ( not E.T KZ 2.5 ) , just like Elliott rode in the movie
This is what I'd say looks bang on except for the decals are E.T ones and not KZ1 :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5:
belongs to guy called hidekazu shinohara
Now that's nice :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
(http://www.dreamgate.ne.jp/kuwahara/riders/hidekazu_shinohara4.jpg)
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back to the paint work, is there certain dimensions on the white to red,
some of the pics looks differant where the fade on the top tube starts
and also the straight line mask on the rear loop, on the top tube some of the
pics the white looks really short in length :)
The pics Glynny posted up are of his original survivor in the E.T forks thread :daumenhoch:
so I suppose he knows what were right on his :)
,, but I reckon like with anything on these old school bmx there was slight difference and error and not as exact and fussy as we are , when we're restoring 'em
I mean ,, the decals on alot of bikes back then are not inline or perfectly centred ,, quickly hand applied factory production :-[
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Oh why did you do that
I'm gonna have to watch the movie now tonight to see the bike again :'( :LolLolLolLol:
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So to be clear about this, theres actually 4 different style ET bikes flying about :D
The 'Elliot film ET' which is a Kz, non looptail, with chunky tyres, red horseshoe stem, rattrap pedals.
Then 3 bikes sold to the public:
'ET Original' which had a tange made T2 frame with high end components, sugino spider, stem, diacompe brakes kkt pedals, Ukai's with large flange hubs.
'ET Replica' same Tange T2 frame as the original but lower end components, horseshoe stem, rattrap pedals, chrome steel Ukai's
'ET Special' known as the toystore model, Apollo frame, crappy components & was just basically a copy of the real thing.
Does everyone agree with that?! :D
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Oh why did you do that
I'm gonna have to watch the movie now tonight to see the bike again :'( :LolLolLolLol:
There's an old thread on here with loads of ET/Elliott info and some screen grabs of the Kuwaharas they used in the movie. I will have a look for it in a mo' :daumenhoch:
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So to be clear about this, theres actually 4 different style ET bikes flying about :D
The 'Elliot film ET' which is a Kz, non looptail, with chunky tyres, red horseshoe stem, rattrap pedals.
Then 3 bikes sold to the public:
'ET Original' which had a tange made T2 frame with high end components, sugino spider, stem, diacompe brakes kkt pedals, Ukai's with large flange hubs.
'ET Replica' same Tange T2 frame as the original but lower end components, horseshoe stem, rattrap pedals, chrome steel Ukai's
'ET Special' known as the toystore model, Apollo frame, crappy components & was just basically a copy of the real thing.
Does everyone agree with that?! :D
I'd say that pretty much covers it , don't want it anymore complixated ;D :daumenhoch:
The only thing what is vague is the Movie bikes ,,as they used a few ( slightly varying )
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Here's that old thread - very interesting it is too.
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=51162.0
It has some great E.T. pics including these two. 8) The Elliott pic clearly shows the bike is a KZ-2 ( same frame as KZ-1 but lower specced parts) with Win stem shineside Arayas or Ukais (hard to tell). Are the tyres IRCs or some other blackwall CompII, I'm not sure. :-\
(http://www.dreamgate.ne.jp/kuwahara/articles/et06.jpg)
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wheels are ukai wheels first generation like the 7c rims
The tyres are irc both 20x2.125
same as this replica bike
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/nn191/OPELFORUM1/004-9.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/nn191/OPELFORUM1/003-12.jpg)
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i said i never would but in the end after countless pms i decided to give it a go and
heres the result :)
hope you like.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y47/purcellbmx/et1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y47/purcellbmx/et2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y47/purcellbmx/et3.jpg)
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top work dan :coolsmiley:,
at last peeps can sigh with relief, someones willing to take the job on.... :4_17_5: