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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Freestyle (frame stands and kickturns galore!) => Topic started by: DJ on May 05, 2006, 10:13 PM
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Yo peeps, havent been around for a while coz Im too dumb to figure out the whole re-register malarky but anyway.... as I'm sure you may have already heard the next Haro Retro re-issue is going to be the the Gen 1 Freestyler. I've had a good amount of input on the project & can tell you it WILL be full 4130 with twin top tube, full on chrome f&f, bars, cranks etc with new school mid size bb, internal headset & ad990 lugs etc.... The bike will be more available in the UK than the last too retro rides also. I'm certain it will come with chrome 36's on low flange suzue style hubs with gumwalls too. sweet. I know this bike will not be please everyone but I do believe it will be the best one yet. I'll keep this thread updated as I get more info.
There may also be a BIG old school anouncment that will involve this years NASS/LG event @ Birmingham NEC also, again as soon as I know I'll post it on here.
Thanks,
DJ
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Put me down for one of them then. I wanna be :4_17_5: in the queue :)
Cheers
Guy :daumenhoch:
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Nice one Dave :daumenhoch:
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I'm right behind you Guy.
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Hey DJ - have you twisted 'the man's' arm about the drawings yet? ???
Oh and I'll say it again - can I order one now? ;D
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So how do we order one ?
I need one of those..
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thanks for the heads up dave, get me down on the list....i want one
Dave
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I think I know what I want for Xmas :LolLolLolLol:
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i expect i'll have one of these :)
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ad990 lugs.....bugger!
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sounds nice.
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:4_17_5:
one over here aswell please
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I like the next man like the idea of this, but wonder if it will make original haro freestylers less prestigious?
with the current situation of not too many bikes floating arround it seems make the bike seem special, but with many bike companies now cashing in on the retro reissues it seems to dilute the aura surrounding these and other oldschool bikes.
Nike keep retroing the old jordan shoes, to the point now where its become tacky, and certain eastern markets have been exploiting this by making knockoffs with the intent to sell at high prices claiming them to be the originals ..... could we seee this happening anytime soon with the current rise in bike part collecting and cost?
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it`s already happened look at hutch stuff like stem`s and cranks
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I want one too. How bout some sort of discount from Haro for team RAD ;D
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Surely as a retro it's a new skool bike with old Gen 1 stylin, not like its gonna be a reproduction of the original. So I would have thought Gen 1's are still gonna be well sought after.
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Any pics yet?
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WEll up for one of these for sure , name on list here as well , is it gonna follow a 540 geo wise ?
Rich :)
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i would imagine so rich, all the other retro sports have
Dave
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I want 2 off em asap :daumenhoch:
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Yes please! I'll have a couple of those!
Oh, but pop some Tuffs on them for true radness.
Sweet.
Dave
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i would imagine / hope that any gen 1 reissue would have flatland geometry.
i'd like an original gen 1, but a gen 1 style newschool frame . . . i dont know. cant really see the point.
the new sport looks alright though.
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you have to enforce the "why not" rule.
i just like the idea that companys are saying, "y'know, those old bikes were cool. lets build another!" of course they couldnt sell an exact copy, i dont think that mongoose re issue went down to well.
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i think its more like the companies are seeing the marketing potential of such a venture.
they should "reissue" all the sticker sets instead
i'd like an exact replica of a gen one but with AD lugs and 1 1/8" forks (with lugs)
if it's like that, then i will buy one.
the gen ones were a nice bike to ride.
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Please mark me down for one.
Ta.
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No word on the drawings.... yet. Did have converstaion about the ride yesterday & can confirm it will run chrome 36's with Suzue Style hubs NOT Tuffs...
As soon as I get drawings I'll get them on here, no worries.
The distrobution has been fu**ed up by the UK distro as they didnt want to "take a risk" on a retro bike (even tho they have them ugly Schwinn things?!) & only ordered minimal 06' Sports BUT I am assured the Gen 1 re-issue will be better available.
As for de-valuing the original Freestyler, I personally cant see how this bike can affect that at all. REAL collectors know the score, a 2007 "lookalike" is never a threat to value. IMO.
Hoping to have more news soon...
dj
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I just wanted to say, my opinion was not mostly based on the devaluing of market price - but more so tarnishing the legend status of such a historic piece of history.
And the fear this would bring greater attention for people to try and do some knock offs.
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I was hoping it would be seen more as honouring the legend that is the Generation One Freestyler more than anything? If you are going to do a retro re-issue bike then at least pay homage to the one that started it all, right?
As for knock off's. what about the ones that are on ebay, made in taiwen??? wtf?
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i am keen to see the spec/size of the new gen 1
if its the same as the original then i'm in!
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As it may be self evident from my previous posts I am not keen on the idea.
I wont say I hate the idea, but I am very cautious of this idea.
In regards to hounoring the original design, then I dont think this is a suitable way to show it.
I feel the first primary reason for this bike to be remade is purely cash.
And in regards to paying homage to the original, this can be done better by educating the youth of today through media and articles etc (even an online haro museum) ... rather than selling them a product which most kids will not buy (I believe this is primarily aimed at the over 30's market).
The most amusing thing of this design will be the american ideal of "american built".
Which the original was done .... and this time i suspect it will be taiwan and hopefully not china.
retroing a taiwanese first gen to me is not honouring a piece of history, more so exploiting it (to me)
but I also understand that the needs of a group of over 30's with the ability to come up with the cash is a very tempting idea.
If I was a little bit more radical I would have liked to have seen a website such as haronotretro.com be put into place with the possability to sugest some of these key points of why it may not be a good idea.
I wonder if bob will get a licence fee for each one sold?
I wonder if torker holds any credit for the original design, or if they will recieve any license fee.
I wonder if someone will think the interest generated by this will be enough persuation to make original knock offs
I wonder if bob or haro still has the original artwork or if they needed to purchase retro decals off vert-ego
I wonder if they did, if the artwork is 100% correct .... if not will biagio get a license fee? (concidering it would then legally be seen as original artwork)
I wonder if haro could have simply taken a "mirra" opps i forgot he left .... ok anyother top rider with a big selling name and signature frame and place the artwork on the new school ride without needing to make a half breed.
And finally ......
I wonder if it will trully honour the original design
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well, we'll see.
i wonder if the person who borrowed my umbrella will ever bring it back.
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not likely
he plugged a dyke with it
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I wonder I wonder I wonder..........
Bob Haro has more to do with Haro than most people know.....
The last time I used this board was to ask what the users here would like to see as the next Re-issue, almost everyone said Gen1 so thats how it came about, thanks to this board its US "brother|" the choice was Gen1 everytime.
As I've said numerous times, not everyone can be pleased can they? No matter what bike is re-issued by wahtever company then it'll never, never be good enough...
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I wonder I wonder I wonder..........
Bob Haro has more to do with Haro than most people know.....
The last time I used this board was to ask what the users here would like to see as the next Re-issue, almost everyone said Gen1 so thats how it came about, thanks to this board its US "brother|" the choice was Gen1 everytime.
As I've said numerous times, not everyone can be pleased can they? No matter what bike is re-issued by wahtever company then it'll never, never be good enough...
DJ, a Gen1 is a great idea but there are so many opinions on how it should be done it's difficult to gauge which way to go. I think a true re-issue would not be the way to go and as a couple of people have said an updated version of the original, with the same geometry but 1 1/8 headset and AD brake lugs would be a great start. Perhaps calling it a re-issue is the problem, perhaps it should be called a New School Gen1 or something to that effect? If Bob publicly endorses the bike too that would give it far greater credibility, afterall it should be a homage to the man that brought freestyle riding to the masses and the best ever freestyle bikes too. :daumenhoch:
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i wanna see bob busting a big endo on it.
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endotainment
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Must admit, I'd warmly welcome a Haro Gen 1 styled bike I can feel happy riding...bring it on Haro.
Like you said...it was the forums that asked for it! So thank you for listening.
I don't think it will destroy the magic of the original at all.
:daumenhoch:
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endotainment
:laugh:
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Seeing the pic of SE's retro PK, I wondered how Haro's Gen 1 is coming along. Any more details?
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come on dj......pics please, or somthing buddy
any word at all
Dave
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All in good time, my little chums. All in good time...... ;)
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spill the beans bob.
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What do you know Rob?
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Maybe Rob has seen the pics that Mr DJ has..... ???
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i want one of these would like to see the pictures or drawings for this frame
:daumenhoch:
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I'll say this; Lets all try and be nice eh? There's a lot of effort going into these things and a little bit of support from our end would be greatly appreciated....
Rest assured it'll be a nice thing. Lets also be assured it wont please everyone, but then what does? We'll all ultimately have our own opinions and thats fine - but we're not the ones making them, are we? ;)
I think most people on here will like it :)
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Dont put me down for one....cheers :daumenhoch:
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Thanks Rob ole' boy........
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if it get a few more old farts down the skateparks then its all good :)
anyone else sick of hearing - how much is your bike worth mate? what tricks can you do? from chav kids :knuppel2:
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anyone else sick of hearing - how much is your bike worth mate? what tricks can you do? from chav kids :knuppel2:
tell me about it Rich >:(
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anyone else sick of hearing - how much is your bike worth mate? what tricks can you do? from chav kids :knuppel2:
PMSFL! :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Dont put me down for one....cheers :daumenhoch:
You know you secretly want one Steve, come on out of the closet no-one will mind :LolLolLolLol:
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Is this Gen ! going to come to these shore as I didn't think that any of the retro Haro bikes were coming here after the poor sales of the Sport. Please tell me I'm wrong though.
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You're wrong ;) ;D
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yep, thats BS, I've seen the UK distro's order form & they've ordered more than a fair few of these bikes.
Hopefully due by xmas but dont hold your breath... you could pass out.
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Amusingly, Winstanleys ad in the latest ride doesn't list the Sport anymore but does list the Haro Original Freestyler..... no price though.... ;)
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Any pics... ?
Surely there'll be something online about this then ?
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You're wrong ;) ;D
I know a blind bloke who saw that one coming :LolLolLolLol:
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Hi DJ - can you give us any more info on the spec yet? TT? Geometry? Colours? Cost?
Cheers mate
Dave
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guess im pretty useless eh? I have the pics I cant post & i dont have any geometry sizes at all!! haha, all the crew are at Interbike but I will chase info tomorrow..... as soon as i can post the pics i have i will. it will be chrome & chrome only... there was talk of doing a white one but didnt see the point as there was never a white one so.... black tuffs & tyres, blue cables, grips & seat. im sure ive said it a few times but it has gyro tabs, internal headset, mid BB, ad-lugs on chainstays...
there will be things people will pick out as not being perfect but it is not intended as a replica, just a sorta homage to that original.... as im sure it wont please everyone it will please many. if we'd have done all the things to make it perfect it would've been so expensive but its nice, looks good.
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Email me the pics and I'll post them for you.
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unfortunately for us i think he means the company will chop hiss ding-dong and coconuts off if he shows the "classified" pics. LOL
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HERES THE PICS!!!
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=007908;p=16
towards the bottom of the page
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c324/flaz/haro-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c324/flaz/h3.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c324/flaz/h2.jpg)
yum yum ;D
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Cool beans ;)
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Have to say im pretty impressed :daumenhoch:
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me too - better get saving
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Even I have to say yum, yum to that.
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FECKING YES! Nice work Haro!
Fingers crossed that it's a 21" TT and all will be good in the world...
:daumenhoch:
One thing though DJ - make sure the chrome is much better than that on the 06 Sport backend...it sucks.
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its wicked init, with the right components onit it will look awsome and dont forget the decals ;D
:smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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Yep, Flaz is right...the graphics will make or break it...at the moment it could be a Dragonfly frame...
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Oh yeah... time to sell my burners off. :)
:daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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I want one! When are they going to be released over here then?
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The front gusset needs to go right under and around the downtube, but apart from that it`s cool :daumenhoch:
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8)
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i wasnt oing to post'em yet as I was told not too but the frame was on the stand at t'interbike so i thought just as well....
there were a few things I'd have liked to have been different but its done now so.....
the graphics are as the original gen1 so will be all good...
release date? Mmmmm...hopefully xmas in US, not to much later here
i like it, i think its come out well....& that one in the pic has been claimed by me!
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I really like that 8)
time to start saving up and/or selling off...
Bp.
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So, come on then DJ...what's the special deal you're putting together for Rad members? 20% off? :daumenhoch:
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Erm what about forks?
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Looking good :daumenhoch:
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20%? are you kidding? 50% for over 30's, 75% for over 40's & so on........ :LolLolLolLol:
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Here's an idea, just to whet the distributors whistle; why not start a pre-order list? Good way to gauge the interest :)
75% discount you say.................. ;)
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Something i have seen on other forums is 'Group buys' . Thay get a confirmed number of people to commit then let the supplier know thay have a confirmed order and negotiate a finalised group price.
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Damn, that looks good.
ANOTHER bike i'm gonna have to buy!
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20%? are you kidding? 50% for over 30's, 75% for over 40's & so on........ :LolLolLolLol:
I'm 97, how much discount do I get?
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20%? are you kidding? 50% for over 30's, 75% for over 40's & so on........ :LolLolLolLol:
I'm 97, how much discount do I get?
you got the foot of a old person
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Is it gonna be available as a frameset as well, or only as a complete bike? Don't fancy spending a ton of cash on a complete bike, as I'd rather choose the parts myself. Really looking forward to seeing the finished bike though. I've been mourning the sale of my '97 Hoffman and wondering what I could buy for some OS ramp riding, and this seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. Back in'83 I was going to buy a Gen1 but got a Hutch Pro Racer instead, then bought one of the first white Masters in '84 after seeing Bob riding one on the Kelloggs series. What's with 36H wheels? This baby deserves graphites ;)
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for OS ramp riding buy an OS haro!!!
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I would if I was still my OS weight! ;D (or they still sold for OS prices!)
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im in.......
cant wait to see that puppy decal'd up.
now......where is my one
Dave
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looks like a blammo to me
so i wont be having one
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Fcuk, just as I begin winding down my collection along comes this.
Chat to Wolfy though as he may be able to get us some like he did the Sport.
It would be good to keep it in the family so to speak as well. :daumenhoch:
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ooh I like it. i like it lots. I'm going to have to have one of those baby's. I could rub that up against my underpants... :LolLolLolLol:
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im in.......
cant wait to see that puppy decal'd up.
now......where is my one
Dave
Surely you mean where are my two?!
Oh, and que picture...
::)
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Tis cool methinks ! I agree some of the details aren't quite there, but hey, beggars, choosers and all that ! :)
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rude not to dave
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/DSCF0033.jpg)
Dave
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20%? are you kidding? 50% for over 30's, 75% for over 40's & so on........ :LolLolLolLol:
I'm 97, how much discount do I get?
you got the foot of a old person
And the back :LolLolLolLol:
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That looks one sexy mofo' gotta start saving for one of these :LolLolLolLol:
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rude not to dave
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/DSCF0033.jpg)
Dave
;D :daumenhoch:
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right ready to get shot down but i don`t like it , the front gusset look cheap and poorly done and what with the brace on the backend and rear dropouts .
oh well each to there own but i rather have the sport anyday for looks
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right ready to get shot down but i don`t like it , the front gusset look cheap and poorly done and what with the brace on the backend and rear dropouts .
oh well each to there own but i rather have the sport anyday for looks
Yes I agree about the front gusset, it looks crap, but I syill quite like the frame.
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"looks like a blammo to me
so i wont be having one"
best post so far....... :LolLolLolLol:
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Is it gonna be available as a frameset as well, or only as a complete bike? Don't fancy spending a ton of cash on a complete bike, as I'd rather choose the parts myself.
I've been informed that they will be selling the frameset alone. ;)
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Can I re-sticker mine as a torker and run yellow tuffs? :)
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There's one thing wrong with that reissue , the flat plate on the top of the seat post tube to twin top tubes .
Remember They all used to crack on the weld round the seat post tube because of the flex caused by the weight put on the bottom bracket pulling the seat post tube through the plate .
Unlike the 1991 master and up used an ovel tube type plate with welds top and bottom of the seat post tube , defo was a stronger design ! Don't ya all think ?
Hope that someone at haro has put this into consideration as many frame's could fail .
Also what are the dimmensions of the frame ? TT etc ?
Anyway look forward to it coming out , would like one myself .... :daumenhoch: 8) :daumenhoch:
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right wil be available here in jan 07 / sorry looks like i jumped the gun :uglystupid2: no frames
just 200 bikes
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dazza, wheres that info from?
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dazza, wheres that info from?
work
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In what region pricewise will this be ? Any ideas ? :D
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In what region pricewise will this be ? Any ideas ? :D
dont know yet , will post as soon as i can get rrp
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Price list annouced in the US (ripped from the other site):
Looks like $395, so around £250 - £300...not quite as high-end as we expected (which isn't a bad thing as we'll all change the parts anyhow!)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/2007HaroPricing001.jpg)
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Cheers for that piece of info... I know what to save up now. ;)
Apparently only 200 are going to be released in the uk.
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Just noticed at the bottom of the price list...Premium Completes...interesting...
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Looks like $395, so around £250 - £300...not quite as high-end as we expected (which isn't a bad thing as we'll all change the parts anyhow!)
You'll probably find that if it's $395, it'll end up being £395 (I'd put money on it)
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Looks like $395, so around £250 - £300...not quite as high-end as we expected (which isn't a bad thing as we'll all change the parts anyhow!)
You'll probably find that if it's $395, it'll end up being £395 (I'd put money on it)
Maybe, but the 06 Haro Sport 88 was listed at $395 and came over here for £250...so, fingers crossed!
:)
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the 06' sport was tri-moly with 2nd rate components. the general view of this bike was full 4130 & better components so it will be more than the sport was/is
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the 06' sport was tri-moly with 2nd rate components. the general view of this bike was full 4130 & better components so it will be more than the sport was/is
So, why is it the same list price as the Sport was in the US?
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fook nose? I'm just preparing you all for if it is more expensive, which I imagine it would be? but I could be wrong?
also, keith at coopers cycles down here (portsmouth) said he would take orders now for a small deposit if anyones interested? 02392 386666
I dont think his website has been updated in a while but www.cooperscycles.co.uk
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I'll be ordering mine from Wolfybmx when he does them. He was giving everyone a great price on the Sports this year. I'll wait until i see one in the flesh first though just in case.
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Any more news on the specs DJ? Also, I see on the other site that the 990 mounts are moving to the seat stays...IMO, they should stay where they are on the chainstays...much better performance and looks nicer (so long as it doesn't interfere with the gearing options). Also, 21" TT please!!!
Nice one.
:daumenhoch:
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Yeah Stodgy, the lugs are now staying on chainstays, smaller lugs too, should be ok to run right down to 25t?
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21inch too long
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Such a relief to see Chrome bikes again!
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looking at the pics of this frame i might have to jump in and get one they look good
so what sort of price are these f/f likely to go for :daumenhoch:
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looking at the pics of this frame i might have to jump in and get one they look good
so what sort of price are these f/f likely to go for :daumenhoch:
Looks like its going to be a complete bike only.
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looking at the pics of this frame i might have to jump in and get one they look good
so what sort of price are these f/f likely to go for :daumenhoch:
Looks like its going to be a complete bike only.
looks like they will sell well :daumenhoch:
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200 bikes will be here in jan , rrp about £250 but dont qoute me on this , info off ag
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200 bikes will be here in jan , rrp about £250 but dont qoute me on this , info off ag
At that price is it defo 100% cro mo?
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200 bikes will be here in jan , rrp about £250 but dont qoute me on this , info off ag
At that price is it defo 100% cro mo?
will ask tomorrow
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Here's an idea for a custom version. In lieu of vector bars how about KHE swiss miss bars?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v650/WizardWeb/swissmiss.jpg)
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put a deposit on one today
the uy reckons about £499 though
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There's one thing wrong with that reissue , the flat plate on the top of the seat post tube to twin top tubes .
Remember They all used to crack on the weld round the seat post tube because of the flex caused by the weight put on the bottom bracket pulling the seat post tube through the plate .
Unlike the 1991 master and up used an ovel tube type plate with welds top and bottom of the seat post tube , defo was a stronger design ! Don't ya all think ?
Haro must know this as they did it with the sport re-issue and i can't under stand why they have gone back to that design .
Hope that someone at haro has put this into consideration as many frame's could fail .
Also think it would look better and be stronger with a rap a round head tube gusset .
Also what are the dimmensions of the frame ? TT etc ?
Anyway look forward to it coming out , would like one myself ....
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put a deposit on one today
the uy reckons about £499 though
Did you leave your deposit with uy ? What is uy ?
I need one of these bikes badly... I don't think I can wait any longer... :smiley6600:
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I found a pic of the swiss miss bars in a KHE advert featured in a copy of Ride USA from a couple of months ago.
The trawled the net for a similar copy.
Must admit when I looked for a pic on the KHE websie I couldn' find it. So I've no idea if they're still on sale, but I have seen them in Ride UK a few months ago..
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£499 in the UK is mental and if Haro think they can price that high when they are $395 in the States, they must think we're stupid.
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thats what the guy at coopers said when i rang.
"up to £499"
so i am stupid really because i still put a deposit on.
he said hopefully due before xmas though
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If you see it before the end of Feb I'd be amazed.
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fingers crossed
gives me time to find the other £425
:'(
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Are they gonna do a frame and forks set as well? Or will it be just a complete bike? Anyone know?
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thats what the guy at coopers said when i rang.
"up to £499"
so i am stupid really because i still put a deposit on.
he said hopefully due before xmas though
well i was told £250 rrp , and they wont be here untill newyear , and only 200 in first batch , i really cant see it being £499 unless its speced out of this world , i will try and get specs tuesday when back at work :daumenhoch: and there wont be any frame sets
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The highest spec Haro's (Nyquist Pro & Forum Pro) are not even £400 so this bike wont be £499.
I imagine what Keith at Coopers was doing was just overdoing it just incase as there is no official UK price yet.
I also adressed the issue of the top plate & the design guys insist that having it all done on the CAD thingy etc it will be strong enough.
Lugs are to stay on chainstays at the moment.
Gusset will be reduced in size & welded similar to original.
Dropout holes will be switched.
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The highest spec Haro's (Nyquist Pro & Forum Pro) are not even £400 so this bike wont be £499.
I imagine what Keith at Coopers was doing was just overdoing it just incase as there is no official UK price yet.
I also adressed the issue of the top plate & the design guys insist that having it all done on the CAD thingy etc it will be strong enough.
Lugs are to stay on chainstays at the moment.
Gusset will be reduced in size & welded similar to original.
Dropout holes will be switched.
DJ, it sounds better all the time :daumenhoch:
Any chance of some more pics once the design issues have been resolved?
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as soon as I get them.....
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Are the dropouts going to happily accomodate 10mm axles ?
Or are they going to for 14mm ?
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this is interesting to read. looking forward to seeing it.
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The highest spec Haro's (Nyquist Pro & Forum Pro) are not even £400 so this bike wont be £499.
I imagine what Keith at Coopers was doing was just overdoing it just incase as there is no official UK price yet.
I also adressed the issue of the top plate & the design guys insist that having it all done on the CAD thingy etc it will be strong enough.
Lugs are to stay on chainstays at the moment.
Gusset will be reduced in size & welded similar to original.
Dropout holes will be switched.
Good changes DJ - nice one.
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Are the dropouts going to happily accomodate 10mm axles ?
Or are they going to for 14mm ?
well, their 14mm cutouts so you can run 3/8s with a washer or some adapter bolts
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Cheers mate... ;)
I was wondering, is there gonna be a fight on to get hold of one of these or will they stick around on the like of alans for a little while just like the re-issue kuwi did. Can I relax until they are issued officially ? I need this bike !!! ... & I already have the money put aside. :daumenhoch:
Anyone care to comment ?
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as far im aware there isnt just a limited number being produced & the UK distro (moore large) have ordered 200 to start with so should be all good in getting hold of one?
no official price but coopers are taking deposits...
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20.5 top tube.... 14.25 rear end (oh er!)
of course, not everyone will be happy about that but, this is one thing that wont be being changed, there's some things I can do but changing the geo isnt one of them.
This geo is pretty much identical to the Nyquist bikes haro produce.
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:wtf: :angrysoapbox: oh my god i wanted 20.45 14.178 this whole project is tuined, how the fook is this thing going to sit in my garage alongside everything else with that godawful geometry and never be ridden?? :rant: :Aresehole: :2gunsfiring_v1: :uglystupid2: :tickedoff: :idiot2: :bondage: :10_2_12: dj you are the biggest ass in the world i hate you, haro sucks.
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this is why you make my unpublished top 5 Mr Job :uglystupid2:
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pop in mon/tues and i will make you a cuppa dj :LolLolLolLol:
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someone better!
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:wtf: :angrysoapbox: oh my god i wanted 20.45 14.178 this whole project is tuined, how the fook is this thing going to sit in my garage alongside everything else with that godawful geometry and never be ridden?? :rant: :Aresehole: :2gunsfiring_v1: :uglystupid2: :tickedoff: :idiot2: :bondage: :10_2_12: dj you are the biggest ass in the world i hate you, haro sucks.
wtf.....lol
Dave
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There's more of where that came from.
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=007908;p=21
Any more news on the bike ? :daumenhoch:
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Any more news on the bike ?
As above??
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As above. :LolLolLolLol:
This is torture !! I've got the money sitting here, I'm scared I'll spend it.
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Any developments ?? i.e. Release day, pictures, blah blah, can you tell I want one too !!!! :LolLolLolLol:
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According to DJ on Vintage, it might be available as an F&F set as well as a complete bike...
Come on DJ - let's have an update!
:daumenhoch:
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Actually thats my mug on the swiss miss bars ... as its my signature product.
KHE tell me the bars are on the boat and should be here real soon 1 or 2 weeks.
They have had alot of problems getting the jig to work, this has been why there has been a delay.
Mark
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Apparently it's june/july release now. :-\
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sorry kids! when i was at ML with the International sales guy from Haro he said it would be available as frameset only BUT I know UK distro arent too big on frame sales & prefer completes only so.......
As for late release, im not sure to be honest. The first I heard about it was on vintage!
Im currently working 12hr shifts, 7 days a week which leaves me minimal time to do much Haro stuff BUT as soon as I knopw the deal on release date etc I will post it up....
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My local shop called Moore Large today and the Freestyler is due around March time?
So as I've already sold my Nyquist hoping the Freestyler would be avaliable for xmas, should I go bikeless till March or plan b buy a Haro Sport and send it to the chromers for the ultimate old school look??
Please advise........ :)
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Blimey there's no pleasing some people. I'm surprised that people would want old school geometry, we're all a lot bigger than we were in the 80's heightwise and weightwise.
Who is DJ btw, its not Bart De Jong is it?
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No, no, my little furry friend. DJ is indeed DJ off of KOC..... ;) You know him :)
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My local shop called Moore Large today and the Freestyler is due around March time?
So as I've already sold my Nyquist hoping the Freestyler would be avaliable for xmas, should I go bikeless till March or plan b buy a Haro Sport and send it to the chromers for the ultimate old school look??
Please advise........ :)
I think the 06 Sport is all chrome underneath the paint, but I've heard it's not that good chrome wise :-\
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You're right Marty...the chrome is a bit 2nd class...shame as it's a really pretty bike.
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My local shop called Moore Large today and the Freestyler is due around March time?
So as I've already sold my Nyquist hoping the Freestyler would be avaliable for xmas, should I go bikeless till March or plan b buy a Haro Sport and send it to the chromers for the ultimate old school look??
Please advise........ :)
I think the 06 Sport is all chrome underneath the paint, but I've heard it's not that good chrome wise :-\
Cheers Marty, a mate of mine has one so I will have a look at his....to be honest him having one already, makes me want it to look different as people will think were a right couple of tarts on matching bikes! ;D
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You're right Marty...the chrome is a bit 2nd class...shame as it's a really pretty bike.
Dave, I think it was you that told about the chrome underneath when I was looking for a new school ride, shame it's a bit pants.
Robsta, you could always get the front repainted in a different colour, say White or that loverly blue they do the 85 Masters and Sports in. :daumenhoch:
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HOWARD!!!! Im somewhat upset, all the nights you came & rode with us at southsea & now you think Im dutch?!!! I tell you one thing tho "I love Gooooooooooold!!!!"
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Any updates DJ... ? you've no idea how eager I am to see this bike & buy one. The wait is horrible...
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COME ON - NEW YEAR - NEW BIKES - WHERE IS IT HARO ? :D
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I'm not sure if DJ works at Haro any more?
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Might be worth reading over this thread again... http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=007908;p=21
Not sure what page you have read up to but I've been looking there fairly often for updates...
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Stodgy, what gives you that idea?? Still working for Haro just mega busy with "proper" job @Heathrow, trying to juggle everything!
I'm waiting as much as you guys but only so much I can do from over here... will do my best to get some new info soon
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Sorry DJ - for some reason your column said that you weren't working...I put 2 & 2 together and got 37. :-[ Sorry mate.
Lets have an update then!!! :daumenhoch:
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Haro is my "other" job, all year round but not full time or enough to pay the bills so, I still work in the building trade hence, sometimes theres work, sometimes there isnt..... easy mistake to make!
as soon as theres news I will let you all know.
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if i try hard enough i can just about understand the fascination of "old school" bikes,
i even thought the recent mongoose os replica was cool!
but this is beyond me!
its a taiwanese nasty dressed up to look like an 80's icon, corporate haro pillaging the history books to earn a few more bucks now that mirra's dumped them?
most of these will be bought up by old men who just want to sit and look at them whilst trying to re-capture there long lost youth, why else would you put a short 20.5 toptube on it?
lets be honest here this is like digging up marilyn monroe and expecting her to be able to dance like beyonce knowles!
are you all that blinded by a few stickers and a bit of shoddy chrome that you'd actually pay £250+ for a cheesey corporate shitter?
haro may well be the stuff of legends but in the here and now
they suck.
i'll get my coat.
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He has a point but if i bought one i would ride it so i hope for Haro's sake it ride's well.
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if i try hard enough i can just about understand the fascination of "old school" bikes,
i even thought the recent mongoose os replica was cool!
but this is beyond me!
its a taiwanese nasty dressed up to look like an 80's icon, corporate haro pillaging the history books to earn a few more bucks now that mirra's dumped them?
most of these will be bought up by old men who just want to sit and look at them whilst trying to re-capture there long lost youth, why else would you put a short 20.5 toptube on it?
lets be honest here this is like digging up marilyn monroe and expecting her to be able to dance like beyonce knowles!
are you all that blinded by a few stickers and a bit of shoddy chrome that you'd actually pay £250+ for a cheesey corporate shitter?
haro may well be the stuff of legends but in the here and now
they suck.
i'll get my coat.
Hmmmm, good opinion on an old-school site. ;D ;)
I know Haro bikes have an image issue now, but I really don't think Haro are trying to make an extra buck by pillaging the history book - quite simply, it won't sell in big enough numbers to make a pile of cash. And I imagine that the time spent in R&D will outweigh any significant profits anyhow.
On another point, Haro made the history...so, if they want to reflect on it, then they can. MINI does, VW does and just about every other car manufacturer does - so why the hell not? It's just a bit of fun. Without companies like Haro, BMX would not be where it is today.
Oh, and I'm old (36) and I will buy one to slap in the collection as it's a nice trinket. But, I'll be riding something else new school (I agree dude, there are much much better bikes out there!). Try not to slag off too many 'old men...recapturing their youth' - remember you will be old one day too, and it's nice to reflect.
Stay rad.
Dave
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PS The facination for old-school bikes comes from riding them when we were younger - your first BMX is always special, whether you start now or back in 1980. The memories they evoke are real nice...the days before jobs, mortgage, kids and keys. We're not saying it's bad now, it's just memories.
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We are still talking about the old school bike that Haro are making right? The one that's been in the making since before dave left? the one that is the 4th in line after the white "master" 25th anniversary edition, the black Sport & the teal/chrome Sport? All made before Dave departed?
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ok, ok, thanks for not savaging me too much for posting that,
i admit i do find "collecting" bikes that will never be ridden a little odd but thats just opinion,
what i have masses of respect for are the lengths old schoolers will go to to restore these lovely old bikes,
theres a white s.e racing in the museum thread that is possibly one of the most beautiful things i've ever seen! just looking at it reminds me of my own ripper back bitd, i love looking through old school sites myself reminiscing and admiring the bikes,
but,
i never stopped riding, i saw how the big companies took a shit on bmx when it ceased to be popular, so many of them, haro included simply jumped straight on the MTB bandwagon and left bmx to rot.
they get no love from me.
now bmx is becoming its own industry and at last starting to stand on its own two feet the big corporate companies want back in!
and it's not happening.
companies that stuck with bmx purely for the love(not the big cash payout)such as s&m, standard,fly,g-sport,terrible one, fbm, are who YOU should be supporting if you buy a new school bike.
not "THE CHANG WING INVESTMENT MANUFACTURING CORPORATION" or "whoever" happens to be the owner of the oldschool companies now,
more and more new school companies are now offering a full range of good quality completes so the days of haro and gt,etc in bmx are indeed numbered,mirra new this when he left to form mirraco, i cant see nyquist sticking around much longer either,
bmx is becoming too big to just be a "a corner of A bike shop" with the scooters and the kiddies bikes!
like skateboarding its not a fad anymore and this is a very,very good thing!
my coat is now on the floor and my sleeves are rolled up
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Some very good points made there Darkersomeday - I must admit, I agree with them. Bikes you don't ride?! It's a mental activity, but like you point out about that SE - they are beautiful and do you really want to spoil something you can't necessarily replace? They have become pieces of art.
I agree that the big corporates are ramping up their marketing now the market is bigger again. But, in the same way we needed Burners BITD, we still need the supermarket brands (GT, Haro, Diamond Back, etc.) to get kids into the sport at a certain price point that only big corporates (doing big unit numbers) can provide.
This interest will then fuel the hunger for smaller, cooler brands as people seek upgrades - if you don't have the cheap mass-distribution brands, you do not have a market. What I mean is, unless there are cheap accessible products to get people to try bmx out (without the massive investment needed for a custom), you will not have an upgrade market. And the bigger the aftermarket, the bigger the demand - hence smaller companies can build more to get better economies and make products cheaper for all.
Yes, there were many big companies who dropped out of the business or re-focussed on other more-profitable lines, but they did stay in, despite the fact that it was not massively cost-effective to do so. You could even tar Hoffman Bikes with selling out in recent years and providing supermarket bikes...but Hoffman was one of the saviour's of BMX - and the hardcore have turned their back on the company. Weird. There may well be some Chinese parent company financing it, but it's still mostly the same guys running the place.
I have no affiliation with Haro, so no interest whether they sell bikes or not. But, I do think the retro range is a bit of fun and they make nice collector pieces - whether they are good bikes or not. Personally, I think the 25th Anniversary bike was a bit lame (just a mirra with different stickers), but the 05 and 06 Sports really bought back good memories and are a nice little bike (to look at). I really like the idea of the new Freestyler, but I am with you that it should be 21" (or at very least 20.75") with a nice short back end - but like any big company, you have to make compromises to ensure you please the majority of people.
I firmly believe Haro should be applauded for the effort they are putting in to this project, because if they didn't we'd all be slating them for 'forgetting their roots', 'turning their back on the old-school market'...blah blah.
BTW - I also agree that we should be supporting the brands you mentioned plus a whole plethora of other cool small brands; Fly, Proper, Sunday, Fit, Superstar, etc, etc. They set the fashions and lead the design that influences next year's supermarket bikes - so, it's clearly a co-dependent relationship.
Anyhow, enough babbling. Better get on with some work.
BMX Rocks!
Dave
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& this is the Haro brand that have built BMX bikes since 1982, branching into MTB's later in the 80's but NEVER NOT making BMX bikes/components etc? The company that for quite a while were still one of the innovators that these "cooler" companies claim to be? Would be Haro for instance who originally came out out with bashguards? Is that the never uncool FLY bikes that have just bought out a new Bashguard? Cant be surely!!
with the exeption of standard & s&m the others fly, T1 FBM etc have hardly been around for an age have they? I totally agree their frames/parts etc are exceptional.
I do have an affiliation with Haro but I would NOT be involved with them if I didnt believe in what they do. They may not be the coolest brand on the planet, (albeit if Mike Aitken/Joe Rich/Tj/Rueben were to roll up on one, especially if it were distrubuted by Seventies or 4Down they would be fookin amazin every cool bmxer would want one) but they have always supported BMX, even through the tough times & continue do so. Using Colin Mackay, Rob Darden & the Euro riders I dont think anyone can disagree that the new Forum bikes is shite, even though they will.
Good forbid any company that tries to bring BMX a decent equipped bike for under £400 eh?
I too, have never given up on BMX, even through the "dark days" riding while getting abuse & grief from everyone who wasnt, trying to find bike parts, magazines & people to ride with but cause I now work for Haro who am I to comment on BMX eh? Nevermind....
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a bit too deep for me... :idiot2:
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Hey DJ, don't get too upset dude...no one said Haro's were bad, nor has anyone said they are not an innovator - they invented freestyle ffs. They are part of the fabric which is BMX. I also didn't say that Haro dropped out of the market - they simply re-allocated budget to more profitable areas, such as MTB...like any company would do.
They are just out of fashion, like Hoffman...which is a shame, the Forum looks good (especially under £400), never riden one, but they certainly look up to most complete standards! Like you said the current riders are ripping - I was at the Masters last year and watched Hennon & Wallace tear the mini-ramp apart on their Haro's - fecking rad...even with your commentry! ;).
It's only a matter of time and fashion will turn round again...
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hi all,
I think its shame that the young guys dont know the history of there chosen passion, ok harobikes may not be on the top of the wish list for most teenage riders, but the fact that the company still exists is pretty cool in my eyes. you wont survive making a couple of frames and t shirts, and budget bikes are where we all began.
how cool it would have been in 84 to buy a haro shredder . haros were out of reach for most of us, but not for kids now. Anyway we are all old gits who have an interest in our roots, and it might suck that haro is more corporate these days, but its nice to see them give back a bit of old school flava, as to me bike frames are like skateboards now, they have no real identity, they all function real well, the only way you can tell the difference is by the decals.
I look at my current ride a 2006 proper houdini and its a rad bike, but i look at my 85 haro sport and i know which one looks more pleasing.
I think its cool that you have all these rider owned companies but they all wanna be big fish in a little pond that does dry out time to time, and making the COOLEST stuff is not gonna keep you afloat. I had a haro airmaster in 92 93 with a bash guard and i thought it rocked. Carlo and fellow riders used to ride them with carlo doing 16foot airs and 10ft 540s, i dont think he would have chosen to ride them if they were shit :daumenhoch:
sorry if i bored you
steve :daumenhoch:
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I know what you mean Steve...it all comes down to fashion...Fit were the flavour a few months ago and now it's Fly, who's it gonna be next month? Only true substance will survive.
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im still of the opinion that whatever ride mag prints is what the younger generation tend to do.....
i mean three years ago you had to have 14mm axles, now they are too heavy and 10mm is order of the day again....its all about fashion end of....
like dave said too, whatever the big guns tend to do is the cool thing....if bestwick was doint triple flairs on a grifter, every fooker would want one....
Dave
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I'm not upset guys, I just bugs me when peeps spout off without truly knowing a full story... & i dont mean you Stodgy.
My commentary is what powers these guys, its a proven fact, without my rambling they'd be nobody's!!! :LolLolLolLol: but feck me, what a mini ramp event eh? I wrote an article about it in Ride mag which said it was the best mini ramp comp ever & I'll stand by that til it gets bettered... possibly this year?!!!
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I'm not upset guys, I just bugs me when peeps spout off without truly knowing a full story... & i dont mean you Stodgy.
My commentary is what powers these guys, its a proven fact, without my rambling they'd be nobody's!!! :LolLolLolLol: but feck me, what a mini ramp event eh? I wrote an article about it in Ride mag which said it was the best mini ramp comp ever & I'll stand by that til it gets bettered... possibly this year?!!!
Dude - the day of the mini-ramp final was the raddest day of BMX ever...me and Pete were speechless on the way back to the hotel. Two words; 'FECK' and 'RAD' were all we could muster. From the Pro vert practice, where we had a private demo by Mat Hoffman (no one else was around!), through Mark Webb banging flairs nearly off the flat, to the legendary "DAVE OSATO!" chant. It was fecking awesome. I'll take that day to my death bed.
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im still of the opinion that whatever ride mag prints is what the younger generation tend to do.....
i mean three years ago you had to have 14mm axles, now they are too heavy and 10mm is order of the day again....its all about fashion end of....
like dave said too, whatever the big guns tend to do is the cool thing....if bestwick was doint triple flairs on a grifter, every fooker would want one....
Dave
1 haro still suck, the forum frame is ok but it just lacks any character, hence the low level of interest in it, how much did haro spend on developing there mtb range? mirra knew that haro had dropped the ball and saw no reason for them to keep making money off of him.
2 i'm hardly a teenager at 34,i started on a team murray way back in the day when i was like 10, 24 years later i'm still riding.
3 999.9% of rear hubs are 14mm, 10mm is fine for the fron but running one on the rear is asking for trouble.
4 if you think bmx is about copying what "the big guns" are doing youre sadly older than you think you are, that isnt the game anymore, innovation rules today.
5 jamie bestwick dumped gt for being a pack of rabid corporate dogs, they even had him in court,
6 FIT has been close to the top of there game since they first started 6 years ago, hardly fashion!
7 HOFFMAN is still very popular if you think they arent, again you are mistaken, the younger guys all know what hoffman did for bmx ,his legacy is safe in there hands, they have a great team and still have a positive effect in newschool bmx! the range of completes AND there frames are very good, loyalty,bama,rhythm,etc.
8 all the big companies that "persued" other areas of cycling such as mtb and road bikes, effectively gave up and there roots as a company, how can you argue this?
as for supporting bmx haro did little else than support mirra and nyquist and co, i remember "pill" was sponsored by them from a while but never got much for it! where were the ROAD TRIPS? where were the BIG COMPS? where was the support for the uk scene?
dont piss on my head and tell me its raining
9 "supermarket" complete bikes from the likes of gt,mongoose,haro,etc now have a limited life expectancy as they are rapidly being replaced by rider owned brands such as fit,federal,wethepeople,
10 the true innovators and saviours of bmx are also the likes of CHRIS MOELLER and RICK MOLITERNO who actually pushed and developed stronger better quality bikes, like one of you said all the big corporate companies just COPIED WHAT THEY DID!
11 I m genuinely glad and pleased that haro actually has someone working there that obviously cares about bmx so much, i honestly do wish you well with the project ,
but these forums are about opinions and last time i checked i was allowed one, all i do is tell the truth as i see it.
i think thats all off them,
now,
who wants another pop!
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lets just hope china can keep up with the demand ... :4_17_5:
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Wow! This thread has suddenly become lively :LolLolLolLol:
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another pop....
what as in soft drinks or having a dig.
999.9% eh...strong statement but wrong....mmmm
http://www.cyclesportuk.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=53&products_id=649
and please dont miss quote me, nor take what i said the wrong way when i said 'big guns'. when i said that i was talking about the big name riders, not the corperate companys, thats why i followed the line with the bit about bestwick on a grifter.
why is it that people hate the big companys so much, and always manage to use the words sold out and profit and money.....
i actually thought bestwick got the elbow cos he wouldnt wear his gt shirt after winning a comp?
but then again its all hearsay and what you want to read or believe in ride or dig
dr pepper anyone?
Dave
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BTW - I also agree that we should be supporting the brands you mentioned plus a whole plethora of other cool small brands; Fly, Proper, Sunday, Fit, Superstar, etc, etc. They set the fashions and lead the design that influences next year's supermarket bikes - so, it's clearly a co-dependent relationship.
Darkersomeday - dude, chill. No one is having a pop at you, we're just having a friendly debate - like you say...we're all entiled to an opinion!
Read my post again and you'll see that I support most of your comments! I clearly stated that it was the smaller cool companies that innovate and mold next year's supermarket brands (see above).
All I stated in my post was that we needed the big companys to spread the word with their big marketing budgets, get people on board through cheaper 'supermarket' bikes...and then the smaller companies step in and guide the customer through the upgrade path. In return, the smaller companies set the fashions and trends for the big guys to take to the next generation of supermarket bikes. It's market dynamics, one can't exist without the other and we should all accept the big corporates as part of BMX - they have their place, just as Raleigh did back in the 80's.
The small popular rider-owned companies of today, will be become the big corporates of tomorrow - Haro, GT, etc all started in the same way.
Haro & GT were forced into product diversification due to the market dropping off. They had staff, premises and investment in so many places, that they had to make it work somehow - and if people weren't buying BMX's, then they gave them something that they wanted. I don't believe either company stopped making BMX's during the dark years, despite not knowing whether the market would ever come back. That to me is dedication.
I'm also glad to hear that the word on the streets is that Hoffman Bikes are still cool...I understood that they preferred all the more trendy brands (Fly, Sunday, S&M and the like) - that is brilliant news!
Right then, I'm off to buy a new Loyalty frame.
Oh and make mine a Tango.
Let's love each other. Old, young, big, small, who cares - just ride.
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I like this thread :daumenhoch:
Darksunday, I`ll bet you`ve never written posts as long as that on the ride forum :LolLolLolLol:
It`s good to have an opinion, and even better to share it :daumenhoch:
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It`s good to have an opinion, and even better to share it :daumenhoch:
Absolutely! :daumenhoch:
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I'll say this; Lets all try and be nice eh? There's a lot of effort going into these things and a little bit of support from our end would be greatly appreciated....
Rest assured it'll be a nice thing. Lets also be assured it wont please everyone, but then what does? We'll all ultimately have our own opinions and thats fine - but we're not the ones making them, are we? ;)
I think most people on here will like it :)
Do I need to repeat myself again???????
And since when was 20.5" a short toptube? Short memories, some people......
Good debate, agreed. But way off the spirit of this bike in my opinion. A trip down memory lane for some, an addition to a collection for others and a perfectly rideable budget bike for yet more others.
It's not trying to compete with anything, and its not promising to be summat it ain't.
Where's the problem here?
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It`s good to have an opinion, and even better to share it :daumenhoch:
Absolutely! :daumenhoch:
after thinking about it it does seem more and more like a cynical sales ploy,
its the 20.5 toptube that makes me suspicious, many completes are aimed at smaller rider just starting out these usually have a 20.5 toptube,
i can accept that many of these retro gen 1 bikes will go to collectors and thats fine, fair do's if you want an inanimate object to drool over and show your mates.
but this scenario worries me,
dad and his kid go to "A" bike shop,
dad; "do you sell bmx's"
staff; "yes there over here with the prams and scooters"
kid; "i like this one dad! its just like the one my favourite rider rides"
dad; "oooooh look at this beauty son! its just like the one i wanted when i was a kid but couldnt have!"
kid; "i know dad but this ones actually cheaper!"
dad; "wowee! look at it! its chrome and the stickers are just the same! i'm telling you son thats a great bike! go on i'll treat you to the extra cash for it!"
kid; "oh ok then dad!"
later at the skatepark the kid is gutted at the laughs he keeps getting and the questions of "what on earth is that! why didnt you buy a XXXX bike?"
kid is now stuck with a freak of a bike and cant tell his dad as he doesnt want to hurt his dads feelings
kid stops riding.
harsh but true.
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There won`t be any left for pesky kids to buy once us old gits have got our hands on them, they are only building 3000 of them and most will stay stateside anyway :daumenhoch:
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i'll have another redbull and we'll can all be friends!
tell you what! as a peace offering!
build this bike with a properly tested post heat treated 100% cromoly frame
in a selection of popular sizes
decent quality chrome plate
14mm machined dropouts
use a dia compe brake on the seatsays so it looks right
75 degree headtube
keep the mid bottom bracket
SKYWAY TUFF WHEELS maybe graphites with sealed bearings,
tioga tyres, newschool
odi long necks
decent forks
maybe some redline flights or profiles,i'm sure they still make them,
finish it off with some other old school classic brands and
i'll buy one.
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There won`t be any left for pesky kids to buy once us old gits have got our hands on them, they are only building 3000 of them and most will stay stateside anyway :daumenhoch:
lol :2funny:
good luck with the project though, i didnt mean to cause offence or upset!
its only one persons opinion,
i've enjoyed this thread,
p.s
if you even think about putting pegs or a gyro on that bike
i will be having your pants down!
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i'll have another redbull and we'll can all be friends!
tell you what! as a peace offering!
build this bike with a properly tested post heat treated 100% cromoly frame
in a selection of popular sizes
decent quality chrome plate
14mm machined dropouts
use a dia compe brake on the seatsays so it looks right
75 degree headtube
keep the mid bottom bracket
SKYWAY TUFF WHEELS maybe graphites with sealed bearings,
tioga tyres, newschool
odi long necks
decent forks
maybe some redline flights or profiles,i'm sure they still make them,
finish it off with some other old school classic brands and
i'll buy one.
I could buy a frame and fork and build one to that spec with the spare parts I have , so get ready for a heafty bill :LolLolLolLol:
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I think its cool that you have all these rider owned companies but they all wanna be big fish in a little pond that does dry out time to time, and making the COOLEST stuff is not gonna keep you afloat. I had a haro airmaster in 92 93 with a bash guard and i thought it rocked. Carlo and fellow riders used to ride them with carlo doing 16foot airs and 10ft 540s, i dont think he would have chosen to ride them if they were shit
sorry, but these were REALLY REALLY shit bikes. The frames in 92 were shit. All of them. Carlo and me and you and everyone rode them because that is all there was. and they sucked, and they broke, and that's why SBC and S&M and Hoffman and homeless (ahem) started.
AND
20 or 20.5 for the GEN1 would actually meet a lot of still riding ex but dabbling flatlanders buying these and riding. a la heatons when they came out as they has the feel of the old groundmasters. 21 inch my arse!!
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later at the skatepark the kid is gutted at the laughs he keeps getting and the questions of "what on earth is that! why didnt you buy a XXXX bike?"
kid is now stuck with a freak of a bike and cant tell his dad as he doesnt want to hurt his dads feelings
kid stops riding.
harsh but true.
thatll be the fashion thing again then!!
Dave
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Anyway, this Gen1 bike.... Bob Haro dropped off the ORIGINAL drawings to the very first Freestyler to Haro yesterday, just saw some pics!!! Now thats impressive!
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:LolLolLolLol:
Brilliant! It's about time we had some good BMX debate!
Kid: "Dad, the big boys are laughing at me at the skatepark. I don't want to ride this anymore."
Dad: "No worries son, I'll buy you something else and keep that one for myself" {smug in the knowledge that dad got his own way in the end}
Thanks chaps - that was good fun. :daumenhoch:
Oh, Darkersomeday - I'll probably have a gyro on mine...please please promise to leave my pants alone. ???
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Anyway, this Gen1 bike.... Bob Haro dropped off the ORIGINAL drawings to the very first Freestyler to Haro yesterday, just saw some pics!!! Now thats impressive!
dave...you got pm
Dave
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It would be cool to see those Mr Jones. :daumenhoch:
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:daumenhoch:
Dave
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Anyway, bobs big Gen1.... Bob Haro dropped his pants for the very first time at Haro yesterday, just saw some pics!!! Now thats impressive!
i'm sorry i just couldnt help it!
no offence intended at all,
i'm just a child grown older,
can we see the pics?
i'd be well interested
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Opps, jumped the gun, the drawings were'nt bought in by Bob, they are Bobs drawings which are now at Haro.. still no bad tho, the original crawings of the very first freestyle bike, thats frickin impressive! I cant post pics so....
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Opps, jumped the gun, the drawings were'nt bought in by Bob, they are Bobs drawings which are now at Haro.. still no bad tho, the original crawings of the very first freestyle bike, thats frickin impressive! I cant post pics so....
Email the pics to Dave (Rombloke) or Stodgy, or me or anyone else on here and we'll post them :LolLolLolLol:
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i must stop drinking whisky, i onlyt started feeling normal about an hour ago :-\
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i must stop drinking whisky, i onlyt started feeling normal about an hour ago :-\
Is that your `normal` or our type of `normal` Bob :LolLolLolLol:
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this thread is fun to read.
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My post got deleted?
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My post got deleted?
It was because of the response from darksomebody Bob, I couldn`t delete his with out deleting yours, sorry :-[
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shame, i missed the response
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this thread has been going 8 months
when does the bike get released?
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shame, i missed the response
It wasn`t very nice Bob, thats why it had to go :(
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TALKING ABOUT FIRST GEN COMPANY'S SELLING OUT TO NEW SCHOOL PROFIT MARGIN'S.
NEARLY THREE YEAR'S AGO I LEFT FOX RACING EUROPE, I COME FROM A BMX TURNED MOTO X TURNED 32YR OLD BMXER SO IN 2001 I GOT THE JOB OF MY DREAM'S WORKIN IN THE WAREHOUSE AT FOX GATESHEAD. I WORKED HARD AND A YEAR LATER GOT PROMOTED TO WAREHOUSE MANAGER, THE HIGHER IN FOX I GOT THE MORE BULLSHIT I LEARN'T. FOX HAS OVER £200.000 WORTH OF PRODUCT EVERY YEAR THAT PASSES IT'S DEALER SELL BY DATE IE OVER 4 YEAR'S OLD.
THIS IS STORED IN A "OTHER" WAREHOUSE OUT OF SITE OF VISITING DIGNITRIES FROM USA FOX. IT PROBABLY HAS GROWN ALOT MORE THAN THAT IN THE YEAR'S SINCE 2004.
ANYWAY, I HAD THE IDEA THAT INSTEAD OF BURNING ALL THIS PERFECTLY GOOD GEAR I ASKED A LOCAL BIKE SHOP IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SUPPLYING MX SCHOOL'S WITH THE GEAR (THEY E-MAILED OTHER SCHOOL'S AROUND THE COUNTRY AND HAD A FANTASTIC RESPONCE, THEY WERE WILLING TO TAKE MOST OF THE "OUT OF DATE" CLOTHING,PAD'S,GEAR AND KIT KIDS OR NOVICE ADULT'S OUT. KID'S WHO ARE LEARNING BIKE SKILL'S FOR THE FIRST TIME OR ADULTS WHO ARE RETURNING TO BIKE SPORT AFTER YEAR'S IN THE WILDERNESS.WHAT A IDEA I THOUGHT, GOOD FOR FOX TO HELP OUT LIKE THIS AS 30YRS AGO FOX STARTED OUT SUPPLING STICKER'S AT BMX AND MOTO X EVENT'S.REMEMBER ALL THIS STUFF WAS GOING TO GET BURN'T AT FOX'S COST SO WHY NOT TURN IT INTO SOMTHING POSITIVE. THIS "OUT OF DATE" GEAR WAS FOR ALL BIKE SPORT'S AND THE SAME COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH ALL THE BMX AND MTB STUFF THAT WAS STORED AWAY.
RIGHT AM GONNA CUT THIS STORY SHORT AS I AM GETTING BORED WRITING IT!!!
THERE WAS A BIG FIRE, FOX DIDNT WANT TO DE VALUE IT'S BRAND BY LETTING "ANYONE" WEAR IT!!!! I LOST INTEREST IN WORKING FOR GUY'S WHO CARED MORE ABOUT THEIR OWN FREE GEAR THAN THE ROOT OF THE SPORT THAT FUNDED THEIR EXTREME LIFESTYLES, AND THE MANAGING DIRECTOR HAS A NEW M5 ?????
I NOW MAKE SURE NEWCASTLE BROWN LEAVES THE BREWERY AND ENJOY BIKES AS MUCH AS EVER :daumenhoch:
IF IT AINT BROKE ! TRY HARDER !! :Great_Britain:
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i found it a immature point of view about how business works. can't be arsed arguing though. married life is enough.
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Wow, a reissue of the one that started it all. Maybe I can get a reissue of my shoulder, just like the one I had when I started riding...ha-ha. Seriously though I THINK I WANT ONE so I can do some old school (the only school I know) tricks.
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Happy days, old school, new school its all riding :daumenhoch:
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TALKING ABOUT FIRST GEN COMPANY'S SELLING OUT TO NEW SCHOOL PROFIT MARGIN'S.
NEARLY THREE YEAR'S AGO I LEFT FOX RACING EUROPE, I COME FROM A BMX TURNED MOTO X TURNED 32YR OLD BMXER SO IN 2001 I GOT THE JOB OF MY DREAM'S WORKIN IN THE WAREHOUSE AT FOX GATESHEAD. I WORKED HARD AND A YEAR LATER GOT PROMOTED TO WAREHOUSE MANAGER, THE HIGHER IN FOX I GOT THE MORE BULLSHIT I LEARN'T. FOX HAS OVER £200.000 WORTH OF PRODUCT EVERY YEAR THAT PASSES IT'S DEALER SELL BY DATE IE OVER 4 YEAR'S OLD.
THIS IS STORED IN A "OTHER" WAREHOUSE OUT OF SITE OF VISITING DIGNITRIES FROM USA FOX. IT PROBABLY HAS GROWN ALOT MORE THAN THAT IN THE YEAR'S SINCE 2004.
ANYWAY, I HAD THE IDEA THAT INSTEAD OF BURNING ALL THIS PERFECTLY GOOD GEAR I ASKED A LOCAL BIKE SHOP IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SUPPLYING MX SCHOOL'S WITH THE GEAR (THEY E-MAILED OTHER SCHOOL'S AROUND THE COUNTRY AND HAD A FANTASTIC RESPONCE, THEY WERE WILLING TO TAKE MOST OF THE "OUT OF DATE" CLOTHING,PAD'S,GEAR AND KIT KIDS OR NOVICE ADULT'S OUT. KID'S WHO ARE LEARNING BIKE SKILL'S FOR THE FIRST TIME OR ADULTS WHO ARE RETURNING TO BIKE SPORT AFTER YEAR'S IN THE WILDERNESS.WHAT A IDEA I THOUGHT, GOOD FOR FOX TO HELP OUT LIKE THIS AS 30YRS AGO FOX STARTED OUT SUPPLING STICKER'S AT BMX AND MOTO X EVENT'S.REMEMBER ALL THIS STUFF WAS GOING TO GET BURN'T AT FOX'S COST SO WHY NOT TURN IT INTO SOMTHING POSITIVE. THIS "OUT OF DATE" GEAR WAS FOR ALL BIKE SPORT'S AND THE SAME COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH ALL THE BMX AND MTB STUFF THAT WAS STORED AWAY.
RIGHT AM GONNA CUT THIS STORY SHORT AS I AM GETTING BORED WRITING IT!!!
THERE WAS A BIG FIRE, FOX DIDNT WANT TO DE VALUE IT'S BRAND BY LETTING "ANYONE" WEAR IT!!!! I LOST INTEREST IN WORKING FOR GUY'S WHO CARED MORE ABOUT THEIR OWN FREE GEAR THAN THE ROOT OF THE SPORT THAT FUNDED THEIR EXTREME LIFESTYLES, AND THE MANAGING DIRECTOR HAS A NEW M5 ?????
I NOW MAKE SURE NEWCASTLE BROWN LEAVES THE BREWERY AND ENJOY BIKES AS MUCH AS EVER :daumenhoch:
IF IT AINT BROKE ! TRY HARDER !! :Great_Britain:
is it true they are axeing,the good old brown :-\hope they dont :'(
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THEY AINT AXING IT IT WILL BE BREWED IN THE OLD FED BREWERY NEAR THE METRO CENTER AND BOTTLED IN JOHN SMITH'S TADCASTER.
DON'T THINK S&N WOULD DARE AXE IT !!!
:daumenhoch:PAUL :Great_Britain:
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FFS !
Can we not keep a thread on track, just for a fookin change.
:2gunsfiring_v1:
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if bestwick was doint triple flairs on a grifter, every fooker would want one....
Dave
now that would be somthing to see.
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i was doin em in 78...piece of piss
dave
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Sorry to ask but any updates on the availablity of this?
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Speak to Winstanleys, thay have em for sale already :LolLolLolLol:
But £199!!!! Seems a bit cheap to me :(
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Its listed in 'Ride' but i dont think its on there website.
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Winstanley couldn't tell when they will be getting them in or any details about spec but said it would be £199
couple of weeks was mentioned but not sure
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Winstanley couldn't tell when they will be getting them in or any details about spec but said it would be £199
couple of weeks was mentioned but not sure
Wintanleys...you gotta love 'em..."couple of weeks"...LMFAO. Twonks.
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Bumpety bump, any news on this?
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will now be a 2008 model according to vbmx thread ;)
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I couldn't find the thread on VBMX. Any chance that you coud post a link please?
Cheers
HRD
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will now be a 2008 model according to vbmx thread ;)
When you say 2008 model, will it literally be 2008 or will the model year change be later this year? (does that make sense)?? ::)
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If previous years are anything to go by the pics of the 2008's should appear in the summer and the website will be up in September. Which is about when the bikes are available.
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So Winstanleys will take a deposit now then :LolLolLolLol:
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Winstanleys will only be able to tell you what the importer tells them, or (as is more likely) they'll just string you along until whenever......
If you want to know whats happening as of right now, give DJ a pm. He has the ear of the factory and whatever he says, that will be from the horses mouth.
Not that I'm saying he looks like a horse or owt.............. ;D
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winstanleys are without a doubt the biggest buch of liars and rip-off merchants in bmx,
seems almost ironic that folk should be thinking of buying these flakes from them,
i dont want to get into it again about these bikes,it all got a bit silly last time,however i will say this,
anyone that is daft enough to buy one of these clearly has NO love for bmx and should be ashamed of themselves.
its a cynical marketing ploy aimed directly at YOU the old school bmxer.
just like a "greatest hits album" this firmly marks the end of the once great "haro bikes" company,
the big corporate fat-cat companies have no place in modern bmx,
we " the bmxers" control the industry now.
:rant:
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I like greatest hits albums. saves you listening to all the shite.
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Same here......but then i have signed up to the corperate whore and ride a DK mass produced bike ;)
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you bastard.
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you bastard.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :2funny: :2funny:
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winstanleys are without a doubt the biggest buch of liars and rip-off merchants in bmx,
seems almost ironic that folk should be thinking of buying these flakes from them,
i dont want to get into it again about these bikes,it all got a bit silly last time,however i will say this,
anyone that is daft enough to buy one of these clearly has NO love for bmx and should be ashamed of themselves.
its a cynical marketing ploy aimed directly at YOU the old school bmxer.
just like a "greatest hits album" this firmly marks the end of the once great "haro bikes" company,
the big corporate fat-cat companies have no place in modern bmx,
we " the bmxers" control the industry now.
:rant:
You wanna spend a bit more time riding and smiling, and a little less time ranting, methinks.............. ;D ;D ;D
Seriously though, you do make a good point, although I believe you may be being a little naive in thinking 'we' control the industry...
And (i'm not one of em, by the way), if someone wants one of these frames, for whatever reason, who are we to say they shouldn't? Free world and all that.......
Live and let live baby :daumenhoch:
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winstanleys are without a doubt the biggest buch of liars and rip-off merchants in bmx,
seems almost ironic that folk should be thinking of buying these flakes from them,
i dont want to get into it again about these bikes,it all got a bit silly last time,however i will say this,
anyone that is daft enough to buy one of these clearly has NO love for bmx and should be ashamed of themselves.
its a cynical marketing ploy aimed directly at YOU the old school bmxer.
just like a "greatest hits album" this firmly marks the end of the once great "haro bikes" company,
the big corporate fat-cat companies have no place in modern bmx,
we " the bmxers" control the industry now.
:rant:
obviously not a lover of haro bikes since haro himself sold it on.
how many of these haros are being made, 250????
at what price....200 quid, .....thats 50k.
do you really think haro bikes are going to buy nuclear weapons and take over the world with 50k....lol.
of course these bikes are aimed at us old schoolers....who else would buy one, mate, take a chill pill, most of the 30 plus ex freestylers/collectors on here will buy one, not because haro make the best bikes or that they are made in the usa, or any other reason, other than the fact that it is a haro freestyler...thats it pure and simple, i know i will prob buy one just for the fact of having one hanging next to my three originals.....from when haro hadnt sold its soul to bealsibub, and children wasnt starving in africa.
there is no getting away from the fact that this site is based mainly around collectors, and as such this re-issue bike has an appeal, as does the skyway ta 20'' and 24'' thats being relaunched.
so look at it like this guys, buy one, or dont, but if you do, beware, the world of bmx as we know it will instantly implode, everyone will catch aids, your nan will die, red squirells will become extinct, and all the rider owned companys out there will go bankrupt overnight.
lol
Dave
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obviously not a lover of haro bikes since haro himself sold it on.
how many of these haros are being made, 250????
at what price....200 quid, .....thats 50k.
do you really think haro bikes are going to buy nuclear weapons and take over the world with 50k....lol.
of course these bikes are aimed at us old schoolers....who else would buy one, mate, take a chill pill, most of the 30 plus ex freestylers/collectors on here will buy one, not because haro make the best bikes or that they are made in the usa, or any other reason, other than the fact that it is a haro freestyler...thats it pure and simple, i know i will prob buy one just for the fact of having one hanging next to my three originals.....from when haro hadnt sold its soul to bealsibub, and children wasnt starving in africa.
there is no getting away from the fact that this site is based mainly around collectors, and as such this re-issue bike has an appeal, as does the skyway ta 20'' and 24'' thats being relaunched.
so look at it like this guys, buy one, or dont, but if you do, beware, the world of bmx as we know it will instantly implode, everyone will catch aids, your nan will die, red squirells will become extinct, and all the rider owned companys out there will go bankrupt overnight.
lol
Dave
Sorry nan, you had a good innings. ;D
I'm getting one. Damn straight. :daumenhoch:
HRD
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Groundhog Day.
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::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Dave
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I wish it never began....!
anyway, work is moving along (slower than I would like) but its getting there. Dropouts have been redesigned to resemble the originals as have the front gusset. Looks a dead cert it will come with black tuffs also. More news when I get it as always. Hopefully it wont be too long before this filthy marketing ploy by the most eveil BMX compnay ever to grace the planet will be out & you'll all lose everything thats close to you just to own a few hundred quid bike which will make you like, "totally un-BMX"..... .. nayyyyy!!!! :LolLolLolLol:
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i'm SOOOOOOOOOOOO not bmx.
i've read the new ride today.
now i know i am not.
dave mirra is "an arrogant twat"
any video that doesn't contain 100% drainpipe jeans street riders is rubbsih
and (although looking at haros made between 1993 and 2000 i have to say they lost the plot) haro bikes are the root of all evil and being able to order a pick'n'mix frame from the same taiwanese catalogue makes all these "new" rider-owned companies in charge of bmx..?? i say it makes some very well tooled factories in asia in charge of bmx..
as for gen1 re-issue.. what was the name of that bad hoffman video with acting in it?
see you friday dj, i'll bring the whisky and the towels for the fountains xxx
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Chris, that was great. I have totally NO idea what your talking about.
Nice one, a bit of spice to a mostly 2 sided, clear thread.
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alex.. every time i read ride i feel more and more out of it.. not out of bmx but out of what "today's bmx" is. i will always always love bmx and have one and rideone (not as much as i would like) but a lot of the attitudes and styles of today leave me cold.
some 20 year old hucker with a four page interview slagging off mirra, damningly useless negative video reviews except for the ones made by their mates (circle and soul get a binning because they're european, not english street style).
maybe it is because i'm sat at home today and have too much time to think. maybe because i'm 34. maybe the internet breeds cynicism. and maybe it's because i am not 20 and don't think like a 20 year old.
but i do love bmx. and riding bikes.
and roll on the gen1 re-issue, but everyone should relax and stop holding their breath for it. when it's here it's here and i think everyone who wants one will get one and those who don't won't.
:Great_Britain: rule brittania!
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Mate...do yourself a favour and don't buy Ride! i won't after there attitude to the CIN cruise we did last year....called them up and was basically told by the editor that it's not what their readers are into.......then questioned if i'd even read his mag?? after telling him that his readers wouldn't have a mag if it wasn't for the OS bikes from BITD. He just said he wasn't interested!
Fook em!
For the record though.....If i had the spare cash and space, i'd buy one tomorrow! :daumenhoch:
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pickle.. i write for ride!! it doesn't mean i'm into what and how other people who write for it write..
mark noble the editor is as old school as they come btw, but he's sensible enough to know it's the kids who lap it up and buy the mag and buy from the advertisers..
i'm just plugging away trying to get a bit more flatland in it... there's just some ignorant views spouted by others that 15 year old kids in girls' jeans can't get enough of!!
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note the "icon" section that's in ride. written by mark noble. mn has roots
ride is a great mag.
except for that plonker mcgoo wannabe that replies to the letters
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nail, on the head, hit, the.
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Who writes the letter replies for Ride?
Oh, shouldnt we have a new thread of "UK Ride"? I only came here to see when the Gen 1 replica's would be ready
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In the past I have had words with Mark Noble and without pointing fingers or getting into a load of old history, he is not a person that I respect or like.
Does anyone remeber the letter his dad sent to BMX ACTION BIKE in October 1986?
He may be top of the bmx magazines in europe at present but he is a poor editor, and IMHO has only been able to get where he has from xeroxing other formats and waiting for a new gen to finally accept his "originality" and his uneducated biased magazine.
Mark has a tendancy to tell people what in or hot .... and quite frankly his observations are bollocks
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Don't you hold back mate ;)
So.....when's this Gen 1 out then? :daumenhoch:
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YGT, you rule! I don’t read Ride enough to have a real opinion about it (I just look at the pictures), but I love a man who knows what he thinks and aint afraid to say it!
What was the letter in BMX Action bike? What issue number was it? If its below 50 I will have it and can scan it in.
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e334/macmarkosx/noble.jpg)
Maybe we should get back to the Haro now? ;)
Mark
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Fast work macmark. Nice one. I guess I didnt read magazines back then either.
I bet Dean Rush was gutted that he couldnt ride in the next BMX Beat!
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Actually, I bet Dean had no idea what BMX Beat was for several days!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Magazines/bikepics018.jpg)
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this is so off topic it is fantastic. and to be honest a damn sight more interesting than waiting for a gen1.
rhys mcfleece does the replies in ride.. and writes crap like "sheffield backyard should have had a flight of ten steps rather than a jump box because that's where it's at" so we have a contest where most of the wood makes a run up to a set of steps do we??
that banning bit in ABMX was hilarious.
maybe i should stop talking about ride....
;-)
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that banning bit in ABMX was hilarious.
It reminds you why BMX went DIY, with people in charge like that. Im not sure how Mark Noble has ended up where he is now with that kind of backing (I dont know Mark at all so I cant make any fair comments about him).
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bloody hell alex you've got 10x more posts than me.
ain't that THE TRUTH..
anyone notice you definitely have two strands of thread (pardon the pun) on radbmx?
this one has veered away from the hardware to the sociological history of bmx politics
YAY.
BYKE give me more opinions, i like them... i would like mark noble to EDIT a little more on occasions (for example allowing that mcfleece to utterly slag effraim catlow in an otherwise for once amusing article about NASS one year). and some of the content of interviews is utterly not needed..
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should we be in mid-school?
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So will the Gen1 re-issue have 14mm drop out slots or 10?
Sorry, just trying to pull back in topic.
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as i said 18 pages ago.. it should REALLY have the original master toptube length.. with a more modern short back-end. and i know for certain at least ONE legendary old school rider would be all over it to actually ride flatland on. and that's the truth.
most will be in a garage so will it matter if it's 19" TT?
come on, let's all go to vintage and hijack some threads there (i know they have a sense of humour)
sorry. this is what 4 weeks off work without being able to drive or ride does to you.............. :police: :2gunsfiring_v1:
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BYKE give me more opinions, i like them... i would like mark noble to EDIT a little more on occasions (for example allowing that mcfleece to utterly slag effraim catlow in an otherwise for once amusing article about NASS one year). and some of the content of interviews is utterly not needed..
Without trying too sound negative, Since Mark noble is the owner / editor I dont wish to try and help such a magazine.
In regards to how the Nobles were able to get to the position they are now, I am not entirely sure .....
But I think they went from "bmx freestyle" to "invert" to "ride"
In regards to the haro .... 20 pages LOL .... and still no real news..... maybe we could rename this thread to "the sun" :LolLolLolLol:
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national enquirer maybe??
to give freestyle/invert/ride its dues.. it kept going on and on even when it was at an all time low [even though it was utter sh1te at times, and it HAS got better, a lot], and none of us had such informative tinternet boards such as this, or mobile phones, in fact all this were fields... persistence pays off i guess..
but, ah man the dropouts have to be right..
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/DSCF1732.jpg)
mmmmmm...
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Chaps - I'm loving this ;D
While we're banging on about Ride, My opinion of it is that it went from very bad to very good and is now on its way back to bad again. I struggle to read it without getting angry about summat or other. As somebody mentioned earlier, my cure for this is not to buy it anymore.
As someone far more talented and successful than me once said;
Ride on and on and on and on, and I'll be sloping that cloping till the break of dawn yeah!
It's all that really matters. That and smiling while you do it ;)
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c324/flaz/haro-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c324/flaz/h3.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c324/flaz/h2.jpg)
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Hmmm. Double top tube and a chainstay U brake. It is a Dragonfly?
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That's the new Gen 1
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10mm slots.
seat stay lugs now.... i think.
redesigned dropouts.
& front gusset.
with black tuffs.
ive had enough.
mid-school? maybe just "no school"?
job.... drinks will ease the pain of internet forums this weekend.
alex... get to NEC this weekend & we shall thrash out this shit over whiskey.
i have a headache.
never again.
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'Retro New School' DJ, don't give up mate. Keep the faith.
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10mm slots.
seat stay lugs now.... i think.
redesigned dropouts.
& front gusset.
with black tuffs.
ive had enough.
mid-school? maybe just "no school"?
job.... drinks will ease the pain of internet forums this weekend.
alex... get to NEC this weekend & we shall thrash out this shit over whiskey.
i have a headache.
never again.
You're funny ;D
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I really hope they dont realease that as that is a joke.
Its looks so cheaply made and designed, I wonder if haro did any work or just employed a chinese factory to "knock something up"
There is just so many small neglected points on this frame which just say ........ what a shame to try and cash in on the retro wave, and do such a poor job.
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whiskey
steaks
waffles
do you have an aquajet 9000 in your crowne plaza suite deej??????
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I really hope they dont realease that as that is a joke.
Its looks so cheaply made and designed, I wonder if haro did any work or just employed a chinese factory to "knock something up"
There is just so many small neglected points on this frame which just say ........ what a shame to try and cash in on the retro wave, and do such a poor job.
have to agree entirely, that looks fookin awful, i can not believe thats it, why cant they just re jig the old one with modern geometry? seems simple enough, its not fookin rocket science is it. the gussets, tubing, dropouts, even the chrome doesnt look right, (the welds are quite tidy tho) then again the re issued sport was cheap enough so what did we expect?
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I really hope they dont realease that as that is a joke.
Its looks so cheaply made and designed, I wonder if haro did any work or just employed a chinese factory to "knock something up"
There is just so many small neglected points on this frame which just say ........ what a shame to try and cash in on the retro wave, and do such a poor job.
Chill out mate......I'm sure that's just one of many proto types......i'm sure it'll be very diferent to that once it's ready, i agree that that one does look like it has it's faults....but it's trying to be as close to the original as it can, so it's never going to be like any modern frame set as it's copying something nearly 30 years old.
Lets wait and see :daumenhoch:
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call that a haro?
THIS is a haro
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/BMX/P7110003.jpg)
and err so is this
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/sport/P3210248.jpg)
but this isn't. it's better.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/standard/P4100285.jpg)
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Hey Pickle, i dont want to get into a long a discussion over this frame as it will create a negative vibe and thats not something I want to try and do since I have already made another jab on page 19.
Evidently this frame shown has at least 6 issues and this has nothing to do with trying to be newschool.
In fact the certain use of parts straight out of the TBS to save money at the same time as ignoring the integrity of the original design.
I dont like this frame because its appears to be very cheeply manufactured, and based on the design shown so far I am presuming it will be made in china which inturn means the quality of production will be a major factor and cause issues with the BB and HT.
end rant.
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No worries mate :) hey we're all entitled to our oppinion mate..........it's all good
Love and peace man :daumenhoch:
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Hey Pickle, i dont want to get into a long a discussion over this frame as it will create a negative vibe and thats not something I want to try and do since I have already made another jab on page 19.
Evidently this frame shown has at least 6 issues and this has nothing to do with trying to be newschool.
In fact the certain use of parts straight out of the TBS to save money at the same time as ignoring the integrity of the original design.
I dont like this frame because its appears to be very cheeply manufactured, and based on the design shown so far I am presuming it will be made in china which inturn means the quality of production will be a major factor and cause issues with the BB and HT.
end rant.
The quality of the production versions will undoubtedly be better. AS DJ says, some items on the frame have changed - lugs, drop-outs and gusset. A lot of design prototypes aren't made as well as they could be because they're used to plan the run and for marketing to do their thing.
For instance, A couple of years ago somebody stole some MTB proto's after the interbike show and Haro asked for them back because they weren't heat treated frames. Being America, despite the fact they were stolen proto's someone would have sued if they broke, which they probably would have. No idea if they got them back.....
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Is it true this project has been scrapped now?????
:) DINGO :)
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Is it true this project has been scrapped now?????
:) DINGO :)
Where did you here that mate?
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lets hear it from dj before we believe what weve read on vbmx....lol
Dave
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lets hear it from dj before we believe what weve read on vbmx....lol
Dave
busted :LolLolLolLol:
:) DINGO :)
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very much still going......... just taking to frickin long! Hoping to be finalised end of next week.... (but of course, dont bank on it)
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Hoping to be finalised end of next week
Bugger, just ordered an 06 Sport because I got bored waiting......oh well 2 bikes it is then! ;D :LolLolLolLol:
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very much still going......... just taking to frickin long! Hoping to be finalised end of next week.... (but of course, dont bank on it)
told ya so
Dave
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Any news on my next purchase???? ::)
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Well i gotta say it does have issues but i still want one!! :idiot2:
Will still look cool and i can use it as a rider. :daumenhoch:
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Yes, I'm still after one... hopefully people wont laugh at me as much as when I'm on my burner lol.... that's the plan ;)