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Title: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 05:31 PM
right ive got a standard shorty (amercian BB shell) ... i think?

and i have a haro fusion crank with the pinch bolts and a 19mm axle(threadless)

need to get a bottom bracket set in chrome/silver but havent got a clue what i need

i thought it was just an amercian sealed BB 19mm but cant find one anywhere on all of ebay.... which makes me think i am looking for the wrong thing?

seem to be able to find  mid 19mm sealed BB's but that about it


someone help me please lol    :D       i assumed i'd get what i needed for about £10-15
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Badbaldie on April 11, 2011, 05:37 PM
im sure this is what you need  :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/REDLINE-American-BMX-Bottom-Bracket-19mm-New-/290526931641?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item43a4c12ab9
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: fugazi on April 11, 2011, 05:41 PM
that's a euro b/b, You want a 19mm american b/b set, DK etc all make them  :daumenhoch:

Edit, the above link's now been fixed  :LolLolLolLol:  that's pricey though, they're normally around £15 to £20
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 05:47 PM
thanks fellas,  anyone got any links to some cheaper ones lol

i can get a whole new 3 piece cranks which comes with a Bottom bracket/fittings for £39 lol   

was hoping something would come up for about £10-£15 :(
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Jon The Bassist on April 11, 2011, 05:48 PM
No, the cheapest generic I could get was £18 from my LBC. Once you've got it the replacement bearings can be had for the price of a pint  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 05:53 PM
is this one ok??

http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/ebwPNLqrymode.a4p?f_ProductID=11865&f_FullProductVersion=1&f_SupersetQRY=C380&f_SortOrderID=1&f_bct=c003154c003151c003210c007958
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: motomagII on April 11, 2011, 05:55 PM
yep that looks spot on
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 05:58 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GUSSET-USA-EXP-Sealed-BMX-Bottom-Bracket-Set-19mm-/120648763250?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item1c173a0772

and this one?

can someone confirm both of these are ok and what i need and i can decide which i want

thanks lads
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: fugazi on April 11, 2011, 06:00 PM
http://www.winstanleysbmx.com/product/36746/Blank_USA_Bottom_Bracket

http://www.customriders.com/prodshow.asp?prodid=9422&cat=0&parent=0&sid=3

Or get a mid b/b & see if anybody has some spare cups, that's the only difference between the Two  :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMX-Bottom-Brackets-Prolite-Mid-19mm-/150582339015?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item230f6825c7
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Betty on April 11, 2011, 06:03 PM
Cheap as chips...  :daumenhoch:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bmx-bike-diamondback-sealed-bearing-bottom-bracket-bmx-/270734022117?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item3f090155e5#ht_600wt_905



Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 06:04 PM
now im even more confused   i have some cups already but i couldnt get the bearings into them as its too tight... tried a hammer and fooked the bearings.... i even sanded down the inside of cups to give the bearing mor room to go in!   no chance at all. so somethings wrong somewhere

thats why i thought bin it all and buy a new whole set  :(
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: fugazi on April 11, 2011, 06:07 PM
Cheap as chips...  :daumenhoch:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bmx-bike-diamondback-sealed-bearing-bottom-bracket-bmx-/270734022117?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item3f090155e5#ht_600wt_905





That's what I was trying to find  :daumenhoch: a warning though I used those in a Standard TRLS250 frame & they were very tight, even after sanding the black off the cups.
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 06:07 PM
cheers betty, think we have a winner there!    the grenn buts will be covered up though when fitted as that would look a bit gay!

that def right size blah blah blah

i fookin hate BB...... the only part of a bmx that drive me nuts with rage trying to fit   !!!!
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Betty on April 11, 2011, 06:10 PM
now im even more confused   i have some cups already but i couldnt get the bearings into them as its too tight... tried a hammer and fooked the bearings.... i even sanded down the inside of cups to give the bearing mor room to go in!   no chance at all. so somethings wrong somewhere

thats why i thought bin it all and buy a new whole set  :(

They are a tight fit in the cups, you're best off using a vice to press them in

Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 06:10 PM
fugazi.... dont like sound of that at all!!!   i just want somethings thats goona fit in easy with minimal stress  haha

you thinking the gusset ones then for £19.99 with free delivery?

see link   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GUSSET-USA-EXP-Sealed-BMX-Bottom-Bracket-Set-19mm-/120648763250?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item1c173a0772
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Betty on April 11, 2011, 06:11 PM
cheers betty, think we have a winner there!    the grenn buts will be covered up though when fitted as that would look a bit gay!

that def right size blah blah blah

i fookin hate BB...... the only part of a bmx that drive me nuts with rage trying to fit   !!!!

Yes they'll fit fine dude, and the green bits (bearing covers) will be hidden when fitted....  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 06:14 PM
betty. the cups and bearing i have something aint right they look to be a good 1mm out all round. an elephant stamping on them wouldnt even get them in im sure, ive sanded a good 0.5mm all round inside of cup  took nearly half hour and still no where near at all

just gonna get a full new set where the bearings are already in cups and then piece of wood and a rubber hammer will do the rest,  my other bike i did in 5 mins with this method piece of piss!

dont know why this fookers causeing so many probs  
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 11, 2011, 06:17 PM
right final verdict please fellas

gusset ones for £19.99 free delivery
or
diamond back ones for £13.99 + 1.99 delivery

are they both likely to be fookers to fit or gusset slightly better made?

Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Betty on April 11, 2011, 06:21 PM
They're more than likely all made in the same factory just with different names on so i'd buy the cheapest
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: fugazi on April 11, 2011, 07:32 PM
They're more than likely all made in the same factory just with different names on so i'd buy the cheapest

+1, they're all much the same, just in different packaging. As Betty has said they will be tight, after all they're an interference fit & a vice pushes them in pretty evenly Once You get going.
Btw I might've tracked down a chrome brakeplate for You to go with those Superforks, I'll let You know  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 14, 2011, 12:27 PM
FFS  this is driving me nuts!!!!

just arrived and its too small!    looks like i needed 22mm after all so just ordered this!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400205333936&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

fookin unbelieveable!!!     look like the cups i had with the haro crank were 19mm and the bearing 22mm that why i could never get them in even after sanding!

the diamond back one mentioned on here turned up today and the bearing would not go over the axle so the axle is def 22mm.... it has to be!

fooking bb's    my hate for them has grown even stronger now      arrgghh!!
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Spen69 on April 14, 2011, 02:26 PM
Matt

The DB part from Angpatten on ebay is exactly the same part number as the ones Redline use and sell for twice the price, so stick it on here for sale and you'll cover some of your wasted cash. It will fit any Redline flight crank set and will sell straight away as long as you don't expect people to not know you only paid £16 for it.

I'd have had it this time last week as i just bloomin' bought one as Matt Swivel lost the one that came with my new cranks..... :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 14, 2011, 09:09 PM
cheers spen for the heads up but ive already posted it back for a refund so i'll just lose out on postage

just want this bike finished now so i can get all the lose bits attached and get my garage floor back :P

the bmx city one should be here in a couple of days so hopefully now i fonal have the right bits   :D
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: Jon The Bassist on April 15, 2011, 12:04 AM
Sure it's not a 20 mm axle? :10_2_12:
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 15, 2011, 10:19 AM
oh fookin hell i never knew those existed!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :O
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 15, 2011, 10:38 AM
if it is one on them where the hell do i get one from :O  just look ey has nothing apart from importing from amercia at around £35+

if thats case im just selling the haro cranks and buying a new chrome crankset that comes with BB already on

now ive ordered a 22m BB  that should be here today/tomorrow.... would the original bearing that came with the axle (guessing now theri 20mm)  would they fit inside the 22mm BB's cups ?    cause that could work?

they never went in the other cups thats all even after sanding



Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: HEYWOOD BMX on April 15, 2011, 10:59 AM
 :) Gussett and D20 both do 20mm BBs (D20 are cheaper) Alans and Custom Riders sell them.Wait until you get your new BB and see if it fits.Haro/Fusion did make cranks with 20mm axles for years... :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: fugazi on April 15, 2011, 11:30 AM
You're having a right old time with this  :LolLolLolLol: as said they'll more than likely be 20mm then as i don't think Fusion did 22mm. Gusset and Fishbone also used a 20mm b/b for years if that helps  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: mattuk on April 15, 2011, 11:48 AM
gotta try and see the funny side i guess....  im hoping i can get the bearing that came with the crank and definitely fit it will pop into the new bearing cups

i'll get searching for a 20mm bottom bracket just in case

although im seriously thinking to ebay the haro fusion crank and invest in a nice second hand profile one or something and pay the extra $$$

anyone got one for sale or even just a nice chrome 3 piece WITH A BB THAT FITS    :P
Title: Re: bottom bracket confusion... help :)
Post by: TwoBobRob on April 19, 2011, 05:51 PM
Just to iron this out a bit for you fellas...

A proper US BB is not metric. The axle is actually 3/4"   (19.05mm), so near as dammit and causes no problems. However, some companies have everything made in Taiwan and/or China (all metric), and have taken over the years to using some oddball sizes for things.

Stick to what you know, traditional stuff, and you'll be fine. A good ole US BB will suit Profiles or Flights no worries. That DiamondBack BB is fine for the job.




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