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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Race (riders ready, pedals ready... GO!!) => Topic started by: TK The Mic on August 06, 2011, 07:27 PM
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The last two rounds of Hersden's Summer Series will be the last where Old Skool racing takes place. The class was going to be dropped at the beginning of this year but our arm was twisted in toi keeping it, but sadly the support has gone.
This is a shame for 3 riders who have raced all our races so far this year (Russell, Andy and James), these guys have been told and will be racing either Masters or Cruiser from 2012, the rest of you guys Im afraid blew it somewhat.
The last race meeting for OS will be on 18 September . :'(
TK
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no suprise really :( but its a shame for those that have seen it this year and are building bikes for next year now its not happening,
what happens if we turn up but dont want to race in masters ?
we pay more to to race than any other class except cruiser
and to be honest i dont want to race against 17yr olds that can woop me so i guess i wont be racing any more,
andy
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just a little gutted :'( yes i have built a N/S cruiser but to be honest im not hugly keen on racing in that class !!!!! hell i even get whuped in o/s , for me its about having a o/s bike and having a play on it ......... but have no where to actualy race it now !!!!!
so the way forward is ?????? well its going to take a little thought !!!!! hersden is the only track in kent thats not to extream for o/s bikes , all the new tracks (fowmead,cyclopark) are of the huge big jumps extream type so unless yer goin to risk it not the ideal option , but i cant see them even considering having o/s class
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'tis a shame as it was the only place my Redline ever got an airing but the rationale behind the withdrawal is understandable. I suspect too that there will be a decline in income for the club as the OS guys were somewhat part of the mainstay of finance and didn't moan that they were charged more than most of the other classes and if they withdraw their support then I suspect their kids will follow slowly follow suit "if dad's not racing". Just leaves a few events to roll the OS bikes around at, like MK and the B'mth 30 years. We had some great times in the heyday of OS revival at Hersden. RIP the Old Skool class. Humps
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Is there an old school class anywhere else in England?
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Hope the decision has been thought through and not bulldozed through. Its a real shame! Still cant see the need to drop the class imh.
I would normally be screaming for you to change your mind and try and rally the troops but to be honest its just not possible financially anymore for us to support it, and I suspect most others are in the same boat.
At least the old school haters got their way :-\
Real shame :(
Good luck to all at Hersden, we will try and pop down as and when we can afford too.
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Is there an old school class anywhere else in England?
yep up north :daumenhoch:
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Is there an old school class anywhere else in England?
yep up north :daumenhoch:
Cheers :daumenhoch: where abouts?
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tut tut...
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Is there an old school class anywhere else in England?
yep up north :daumenhoch:
have a look here
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=30.0
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Is there an old school class anywhere else in England?
yep up north :daumenhoch:
Cheers :daumenhoch: where abouts?
The next race is 28th August at Manchester's new indoor track. We usually get at least two full (ish) gates and a good vibe. :daumenhoch:
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Is there an old school class anywhere else in England?
yep up north :daumenhoch:
Cheers :daumenhoch: where abouts?
The next race is 28th August at Manchester's new indoor track. We usually get at least two full (ish) gates and a good vibe. :daumenhoch:
Thanks :daumenhoch: I'll start when the new season starts hopefully,, so I at least have a chance, and might not come last ;D is it always in manchester or do we find out where abouts when the new season starts? Also, what license do I need and how does it all work? Like numbers, points system? What happens when the person wins the season? Sorry for all the questions but I've never done it before, and is there a certain age you have to be? I'm only 14...
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It's a real shame Hersden Old School is coming to an end, I really loved racing there.
Unfortunately times change and they certainly have done for me, I can't believe how many clashes I have had this year with wedding etc. On the same day of the racing and having a young family means spending the whole day there on the Sunday makes it too difficult to make it, however I did some racing travelling 2 hours each way and loved it.
I'm sorry to let the Hersden team down, I wish you all the success fir the future, it's such a cool track I'm sure you will do well!
Ben
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and is there a certain age you have to be? I'm only 14...
I think there is a rule that under 16's (or maybe it's 15's) can't race against over 16's. This would be a general rule rather than anything specific to Old School.
is it always in manchester or do we find out where abouts when the new season starts?
The North Region races are all over - currently Manchester, Crewe, Preston, Coppull, Hartlepool, Bradford, Leeds and Blackpool.
Manchester is the last Summer Series race. Last year there was no "Winter Series" so to speak, but the Old Schoolers cobbled together a series using club meets and a few other one off events. Keep your eye on the "Old School Series Racing" lounge.
The Summer series 2012 will start early next year.
Also, what license do I need
Usually none for winter races, and a British Cycling Silver Membership for the summer.
and how does it all work? Like numbers, points system?
You are given points for your given position in at any on meet. Then your best x results are added together to get an overall winner (e.g. best 5 out if 8 races).
What happens when the person wins the season?
They get a pat on the back, a plastic trophy and are accused of sandbagging if they don't race in Masters the next season.
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Such a shame, we were forced with only being able to drop 1 round (that clashed with MK) which i discussed with Justin.
1 more family engagement and there was no point to doing any rounds :daumenhoch:
A crying shame :'(
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Thanks for all that James! By March I will be 15 so hopefully can do the summer series :) will get my license then when I find out the ages, it's a shame that though, that younger people can't race older people :(
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I tried to get some intrest in an O/S series for the Midlands....the clubs were up for it :4_17_5: .............but not much intrest from the riders :-\
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I tried to get some intrest in an O/S series for the Midlands....the clubs were up for it :4_17_5: .............but not much intrest from the riders :-\
I'd be interested in that
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Thats it Billy you take the blame :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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wish i had raced 2 classes os n 20 new this season to help with number's . wonder what class they will be dropping next.
blame it on me , whilst in hospital they fitted me with Teflon shoulder pads :2funny:
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me crashing out in masters has top it for the club
I'd have thought they'd be only too keen to keep the old'uns out of Masters because of your crash Billy. Definitely all your fault Billy ;) but still a shame the decision has been made, but just maybe because of it there will be an upsurge of interest and the decision will be reversed before next season. Humps
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can't see there being an upsurge in interest Alan, many said they would race in O/S this year but for various reasons didn't turn up :(
we need a veterans class like they have at regionals so we can race agaist our own age group rather than in masters where we are up against the young uns :daumenhoch:
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I think theres more to it. The OSS sponsored trophies at Hersden. We were welcome then. Oh and an extra 2quid entry for us (volunteered to help the club) even more welcome then!
Oh and RAD sponsered racing there as well, you know an old school bmx site.
Perhaps our past support meant fook all. Still now the tables are turned, and most old schoolers are struggling to keep jobs, houses, cars etc. Its a welcome relief that we are being dropped so we dont have a reason to spend money there.
THEIR WONT BE A VETS CLASS AT HERSDEN EITHER. The decision has been made to get rid of the riders, fook all to do with old school bikes.
I still think its a personal vendetta, and rather than spend any more time worrying about it my family and myself wont be racing at Hersden, we will find somewhere else to ride.
Good luck to the club and its organisers, and thanks for all the great times we had in the past.
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Where do you get "personal vendetta" from Tony, the decision to drop OS was mine this time around and mine alone, I was told about this upsurge in interest that was coming this year and it never happened. It was ok for round one but from there on in it was downhill
The only class that can be vulnerable from now are the Cruisers, and we have plenty of them throughout the year, all the other classes are age grouped , so that they are accessible to all.
Hope this clears it up
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TK, i think the problem is that things have got so muddied, there were some shrouded reasons why Old School was dropped last year and unfortunately this year there were some shit date clashes, MK Rad Bash being 1 of them.
It made it pretty much impossible for anyone with 1 extra date clash to justify coming in the current climate.
At the end of the day Tone, the decision has been made, it's sad that Old School is ending after the support it gave to help build up a little club.
I'm not sure and cant bebothered to go into the finances like i did earlier in the year but i still dont think it justifies losing Old School but what will be, will be :daumenhoch:
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I know nik it is a toughie, but tbh the amount of shit we have been thro lateley we'l be doing well to stick with it ourselves. Everyone is welcome at our place, everyone knows that and if OS was better supported, I would have had no probs keeping it
TK
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Understood, still sad though, so much support from the crew before that built Hersden
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surely even with 4 or 5 of us racing it covers the cost of the medals etc
the last meet clashed with MK which is why Ben, Ratty and myself were not there, prior to that there was
myself
james
russell
dave
with more at the first meet as you say
ben has had a year of personal stuff clashing with the dates but was looking forward to next year
zippy has a buisiness to run that is only in it's second year so has found it difficult to get away (it's open on sundays)
also i know of two people that attend meetings with their kids that have seen the old school series and are building bikes at the moment to compete next year.
now i can't say for sure if all these people can attend every meeting but surely if enough riders turn up on any given day then we should be given a class to race in?
and i don't mean masters where we are racing against youngsters.
andy
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But its the same story we went thro last year, all these people on these forums saying they were up for it and yet Old Skool have only managed gates of 3, 4 and 1 riders in the last 3 meetings.
The wake up call came at the beginning of the year when we said we going to drop it, we gave riders every chance and that chance has been blown, and it wont be reversed
TK
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But its the same story we went thro last year, all these people on these forums saying they were up for it and yet Old Skool have only managed gates of 3, 4 and 1 riders in the last 3 meetings.
The wake up call came at the beginning of the year when we said we going to drop it, we gave riders every chance and that chance has been blown, and it wont be reversed
TK
quoting the gate of 1 at the last meeting is not on really as you were told at the beginning of the year that it clashed with MK.
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Ok then, there would have been 2 Andy, if you didnt go to MK
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Ok then, there would have been 2 Andy, if you didnt go to MK
:LolLolLolLol: ben was also at MK and james had a family commitment, dave said that as we wouldn't be there then nither would he.
as you have said there are 3 well 4 including dave that have supported it this year, more than enough to cover the medal costs, although on two out of the 5 meetings so far you haven't given the old school class medals as you haven't had enough to go round, saying we would get them later..............
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Easy answer to this, if it is just financial, then dont give out medals and plates, or offer those entitled the chance to buy the items. Its never been about the winning, but the taking part.
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just 3 riders covers the cost ratty, or so i was told when i asked about the cost
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Dave was at Hersden, didnt ride. I hope that you are all aware of the additional cr@p we are having to put up with at the club, which could mean that it wont be just Old Skool going at the end of the year, but those who organise the racing in the first place
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Dave was at Hersden, didnt ride. I hope that you are all aware of the additional cr@p we are having to put up with at the club, which could mean that it wont be just Old Skool going at the end of the year, but those who organise the racing in the first place
yes i'm aware of it but thats not what this thread is about and certainly not the place to talk about it.
so if there is no old school what about veterans like at regionals? say 30 or 35yrs plus? not sure what the BCF age is
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That could be a way to go, but it would need sustained interest. So a 20 inch 30 plus class, but we need bodies
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That could be a way to go, but it would need sustained interest. So a 20 inch 30 plus class, but we need bodies
a few of the cruiser riders have n/s 20s that they race and i don;t mind riding an O/S against them so if we combine the two we would have a gate :daumenhoch:
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In all honesty we have very much lost interest, no disrespect but last years cull was for alternative reasons, this years is due to poor attendance and i dont doubt what happened to Billy O is a part of it.
Grab a cruiser guys and hang on for the ride :daumenhoch:
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fook the cruisers i aint giving up on 20" yet :daumenhoch:
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ok, after a long discussion with tony on the phone this morning he has decided to give a 30+ veterans class a go dependent on interest,
this would be open to riders who are 30+ and can be riden on either a N/S or O/S bike.
i know this is not ideal in some peoples views, but we are where we are and have to face the fact that with only 3 regular O/S riders a class of our own is not going to happen next year.
i for one am just happy that i will have a class to ride 20" in against riders of a similar age (although some will be 16yrs younger than me :LolLolLolLol: ) at least we won't have to try to compete against the super fast youngsters.
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FWIW, at Bradford we run 2 adult age groups:
- Superclass for top BMX/MTB riders, everything from the top cruiser riders to ex-Pros
- They Really Ought to Have More Sense (TROHMS), for Old Skool, Cruiser Dads, Adult Novice, MTBers trying BMX etc etc.
This works really well for us :daumenhoch:. The TROHMS class is mainly 35+, with the occasional novice who might be late 20s/early 30s. Both classes for any bike, any wheel size - it's all about the craic.
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Pesonally i find it odd that you dont have many riders for the o/s in the south ???
There seemed to be plenty of riders from the south at the MK races ???
Surely they would ride at Hersden if they rode at Mk?
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Pesonally i find it odd that you dont have many riders for the o/s in the south ???
There seemed to be plenty of riders from the south at the MK races ???
Surely they would ride at Hersden if they rode at Mk?
i agree but where are they when we need them ?
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I think the South OS scene was a victim of its own success, A lot of the riders who started racing OS at Hersden and in the OSS are now riding nu school, I had even started riding cruiser before I got ill.
Hersden had a huge influence on getting a lot of riders involved through Old school. One of the big reasons why I will never understand why the class needs to be dropped. Riders coming back into the sport need to feel comfortable and a bit competitive, to be totally blitzed by a 20 year old on a new school bike is totally dis-heartening and just results in the newbie just hanging up his gloves, the Old school gave a place to the old ones to have a go. Without that avenue we will loose that source of riders.
I totally understand TKs view that the class is not financially viable just on entrance fees, but thats a very narrow view, most OS riders will bring family or friends with them, some of whom will race, most of them will eat and drink (revenue).
Still I feel the decision was made a long time ago, maybe to do with attendances, but maybe just personal views have clouded the situation.
Either way, hope it works itself out.
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i guess at end of day 30+ 20" class is the best on offer :'( how ever racin a o/s bike against all the loverly stable forgiving n/s bikes is a little daunting !!!! not havin deep enough pockets to build a n/s i guess i will be on the bully
but i do have the option to race cruiser as i built one but to be honest im not good enough and cant risk injury buy trying to hard :2funny:
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Shame, but understood. I would've come more often/in future but the dates clashed with everything this year. It wasn't intentional that I couldn't make it very much, always loved Hersden races, always prefer old bikes to new ones, but hey. C'est la vie.
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And I forgot to say: thanks to everyone at Hersden for organising it and everyone who raced there. Top time.
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Well sunday the 18th was end of an era :'( last race for o/s in se , only 4 riders turned up to battle the last ever o/s race at hersden !!!!!!! dam gutted
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Im so sorry that we couldnt afford to get there Sunday.
I loved racing there, I loved the atmosphere and the crew. but what will be...
Good luck to Hersden and their crew.
But guys, their may still be some life left in OS racing in the south....Just maybe :daumenhoch:
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Race oop north instead.
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Im so sorry that we couldnt afford to get there Sunday.
I loved racing there, I loved the atmosphere and the crew. but what will be...
Good luck to Hersden and their crew.
But guys, their may still be some life left in OS racing in the south....Just maybe :daumenhoch:
greenwich ? :)
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Fingers crossed on that one !! :daumenhoch:
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This thread is about as sad as you can get , blaming me and a crash i had is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel , you sad old farts.
Think you os lot need to remember when you created a fuss because someone turned up on a os bike that was very similar to your bikes and he could possible do you out of points. You forced him not to race that day, kicking up a stink , throwing toys out of your prams like babies " Mmmm! memories going with old age". Can remember it well , all the shit you caused that day. i was only to pleased to wash my hands of os at the beginning of that season 2010. I got my os South East 1 plate which is now my title forever thanks ,as you lot could never compete at my level :4_17_5:.
You only have your selves to blame and no one else. :2funny: ;D
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This thread is about as sad as you can get , blaming me and a crash i had is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel , you sad old farts.
where in the thred is you and your crash mentioned ???
Think you os lot need to remember when you created a fuss because someone turned up on a os bike that was very similar to your bikes and he could possible do you out of points. You forced him not to race that day, kicking up a stink , throwing toys out of your prams like babies " Mmmm! memories going with old age". Can remember it well , all the shit you caused that day. i was only to pleased to wash my hands of os at the beginning of that season 2010. I got my os South East 1 plate which is now my title forever thanks ,as you lot could never compete at my level :4_17_5:.
well thats nice !!!!! >:(
You only have your selves to blame and no one else. :2funny: ;D
mmmm this bit is true , ues it or lose it !!!! but i realy dont find it to funny >:(
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Compete at your level....wow you must have been rad back in the day.
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Compete at your level....wow you must have been rad back in the day.
yep i was back in the day and still am thanks , and be back real soon. :2funny: :2funny:
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Extremepervert OWNED YOU BACK IN THE DAY...
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Yeah what ever ! :Aresehole:
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biily, whats going on mate, you ain't doing yourself any favours acting the way you are at the moment
andy
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biily, whats going on mate, you ain't doing yourself any favours acting the way you are at the moment
andy
favor's regarding what, acting like this at mo ,what the hell are you going on about , read the original post i put up, and hold your head in shame ,
there was kids watching in that day , that's the hole point . It aint my fault it been dropped , Nothing personal to anyone but its not old school
it's dinosaur school dead and out of date like the bikes as lovely as they are thou lol
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With regards to Old School Racing at Greenwich in South London, if you pm me a message or leave a phone number,
ill get back to you asap as im on the commitee at Greenwich BMX,
regards Keith ;)
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yeah bloody old skool shuffle munsterers :LolLolLolLol:
oh nearly forgot......did you know i was the british old skool #3 :Great_Britain:
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By the way tony and justin are legends and good pals and i have a lot of time for them :daumenhoch:
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Billy, whatever went on with you is history, your a good rider, and could do well in a new school class, but dont snipe at the old school. You need to remember old school gave a chance to a lot of riders to get back into this sport. It was a short sighted decision by BCF and Hersden to drop the class. I understand the reasons why Hersden has dropped it, just read this thread!!
Its about time we got over it, I cant see anyone changing their minds about us racing. Gutting as that is.
What people need to remember is its supposed to be fun, a family sport. Discrimination is a heavy word, but about sums up what has gone on with the OS. What harm did the OS ever do to BMX?
In fact, we did a lot for the sport, but thats all been forgotten now.
I wanted to lock this thread to stop anymore rants, but hopefully it can die quietly without the need to lock it.
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Recommendation for Hersden
1) Currently Hersden BMX does not have any formal constitution as a club and there are no designated club members with formal responsibilities eg chairman secretary, health and safety and first aid representative etc. While the constitution is not a strict health and safety requirement you still need to identify who is responsible for the health and safety of event participants, spectators and officials. It is recommended that you draw up a club constitution, agree on a set of rules, have a minuted election meeting to appoint officers and produce documented evidence relating to the management of health and safety.
2) There are no documented risk assessments available for the club activities or events. While you do not employ people you do rely on voluntary help and are in control of the premises leading up to and during events. The Health and Safety Executive consider it good practice for a volunteer user to provide the same level of health and safety protection as they would in an employer/employee relationship. The management of health and safety regulations require people to assess the risks to workers (volunteers) and others who may be affected by the activities you are organising.
It is recommended that you produce documented risk assessments for the hazards and risks posed to users of the track during the events. This should include, track inspection and maintenance on race/training days, electrical safety, starting procedures, pedestrian/vehicle separation, first aid provision and intervention, marshalling and marshalling duties, incident management etc
You can obtain advice on producing risk assessments here :
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg163.pdf
and advice on the health and safety duties for volunteers and charity workers here :
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg192.pdf
3) As discussed the RIDDOR regulations place a duty on you to report any incidents that involve the hospitalisation or major injury to anybody during your organised activities whether volunteers or participants. Reporting and advice can be found at http://www.hse.gov.uk/riddor/index.htm
4) There remains some confusion about the first aid treatment that Mr Omar received, whether his helmet was removed and by who, whether or not he was insistent on getting up and making his own way to the pavilion and whether the marshals acted responsibly after the accident. You advised me that there were two first aiders on duty at the time of the incident. You were one of them and I have received your training certificate. I have not received one from -------- ------ who was also on duty that day.
The first aid and marshalling personnel on duty at your events should not be participating in the event and should be on duty permanently throughout. You should also seek some definitive advice on the sort of emergency treatment a fallen rider should receive, dependant on circumstances. Although this should be covered by first aid training you can obtain further advice from the training and learning section of SECAMB (south east coast ambulance service ) on 01622 747010.
I shall be sharing my findings with the management of Hersden Neighbourhood Centre, Sturry Parish Council and Mr Omar. If you require any further assistance please call me on 01227 862215.
Yours sincerely
Steve Biggs
Principal Environmental Health Officer
Commercial Health Section,
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There you go Billy mate, it's all about the risk assessment.
Get stuck in there with yo massive skill level's bro....
Ask Russel-what's his name, Andy Russel, off of bmx talk, oldskoolsuxone was it? or big hal or whatever his name is for some input and you'll be away my son.
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Give it large....
Andy Russell, didn't he ride for mongoose in the 80's? Not the same person i 'spect?
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Recommendation for Hersden
blah blah blah
well that should kill old school, mid school, new school
every bloody school of racing at Hersden
nice one
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Perhaps I should have locked it? :idiot2:
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Billy, this is getting a bit ridiculous mate :daumenhoch:
There was no need to publish those docs but whatever makes you feel better.
At the end of the day IF there were issues on the day that hindered your health, recovery etc then i'm sure that any solicitors etc will weedle them out, where there's blame there's a claim innit :-\
At the end of the day if there were failings on Hersdens part then i am sure that they have taken advice and put right where reccommendations have been made.
I would have thought that if there are legal cases pending that it is better not to participate in the thread until the claim has been resolved or has it all been resolved already and i would be interested to know the outcome :daumenhoch:
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So BMX can be dangerous then?
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So BMX can be dangerous then?
You'll be thinking of knitting Bob, now thats proper dangerous, you could poke your eye out or stub your finger, dangerous stuff :angel:
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Thanks Ratty , you are faultless with what you say but ,everyone should know what there are letting them selves in for racing at a poorly run club ( is there any member's ? is it a club )were the assigned first aider on the day dose everything else plus race. I know all the risks involved but when your unconscious and then go into a seizure, 999 should be call straight away which is a fact , first aid protocol was not followed.
Plenty of onlooker's from that day later told me of the awful treatment i received that day. 90 % of them are what is considered as sheep in the legal world .Gutted but i was helpless to help myself .Plus that it was considered that the club ( is there any member's ? is it a club )would have to foot the bill for a ambulance so it was being arranged for someone to take me to A E., I probable would have died on rout from internal bleeding.
Having the operating theatre on stand by for 4 days isn't nice to possible remove my kidney. I turned things around with the help of Kings College hospital and avoided that.
Hope they do improve things for the sake of the kids that race there, even thou it out of reach to most locals now.
The document i posted is public to whoever wants it . ;D ;D
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http://youtu.be/EzgFl-GZCqg (http://youtu.be/EzgFl-GZCqg)
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Billy, any sport carries risk, stop bashing the people that you have helped and encouraged to build the club on the limited members and funds it had x
No one set out to hurt you, is it really worth losing some friends worth it.....
Justin and Tony have done a brilliant job, u would have championed them before :-\
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OK thread locked, nothing positive will come out of letting this run. Its a shame because it should have been sorted out in private, not on a public forum.
I hope everyone sorts out their problems without any hard feelings.
I wont delete any posts, but locking it is the only way forward