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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: brummie on August 20, 2011, 12:55 PM
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pros and cons please
which is better?
cheers dudes
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No contest, 1 1/8 threadless! Stronger, a headset that doesn't come loose all the time & easier to set up :daumenhoch:
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No contest, 1 1/8 threadless! Stronger, a headset that doesn't come loose all the time & easier to set up :daumenhoch:
X1 :daumenhoch:
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'Ello Brother
There's a great article in Ride Magazine approx 2 years ago that was written by George French (long term rider and founder/owner of G-SPORT).
The artcile is all about the advancement of BMX bikes/parts. there's a great bit on headsets poking fun at the old 1" threaded headsets and how we were constantly tightening them.
If you can find that article it will make you think/laugh.
Keep the Faith. L
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Yeh...deffo 1&1/8 Brummie ;D
1" is for losers, like comparing meat with quorn.
:daumenhoch:
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I hate quorn
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:shocked: hang on isnt 1 inch the reason were all on this site ..... old school all the way :4_17_5: does the roset say 1/8 ? i dont think so :LolLolLolLol:
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only one way to find out.........................
(http://kevindeynajones.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/harry-hill-fight-ap-wdc5.jpg)
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:shocked: hang on isnt 1 inch the reason were all on this site .....
It sure is, but doesn't change the fact that 1" threaded is shite :LolLolLolLol:
Bru :daumenhoch:
ok for all those who dont like the 1 inch stems please hand in your tuff necks , redline brute ,pro necks, esp, etc etc :LolLolLolLol:
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You are ALL missing the point here!!! (haha, I like that start :knuppel2:).
1" headsets are shit, but it wasnt the end of the world using them. I managed to keep mine tight, but that wasnt the real problem with 1" shafted stem/forks. The real improvement with 1 1/8 clampon was the strength!
With a 1" shafted setup you have the stem on the inside and the headset threads on the outside ...... so the thickness of the fork steer tube is fixed. There is nothing you can do. The top of the steer stube is kinda OK cos is has a thick stem in it but below the stem there is a weak spot ..... right at the focal point of the leverage from the front wheel. EVERY set of 1" threaded forks is on the brink of snapping. Its a fact!
There are ways of helping make a 1" setup OK. Making the stem long enough to fill the whole length of the steer tube worked well (S&M Wedgie Jackson ::)) but it wasnt very light. 1" clamp on stems meant that you could make the steer tube thicker (cos you didnt have to fit a stem in them) but they were also heavy (and still used the old headset). Just as BMX started improving the strength of 1" forks, the 1 1/8, clamp on stem, threadless headset came along. Trouble free headset, larger diameter steer tube (so stronger) that you could make as thick as you wanted. There was no looking back.
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ahead sets way better - while on the subject, did you know that you could actually run 1/8" threadless on a frame that is made for 1" threaded - just slam in the bearings of the aheadset into 1" cups, works a treat. I ran a skyway for a bit doing this with 1/8" threadless pitchforks :P
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old school for show. new school to ride................... simples :D
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i have A 24" GT pro series that takes a 1" threadless head set. i was thinking to get a Quill adapter instead of the old skool Stems, then i could put a new Skool one on it but wil that make any difference? it seems not :-\
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Yeh...deffo 1&1/8 Brummie ;D
1" is for losers, like comparing meat with quorn.
:daumenhoch:
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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My 1" ripper headtube with 1"1/8th forks fitted. This is quite an easy conversion! :daumenhoch:
And you get the best of both worlds. Old school frame with new school tech.
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x398/rad-discostu/1989%20pk%20ripper/067.jpg)
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My 1" ripper headtube with 1"1/8th forks fitted. This is quite an easy conversion! :daumenhoch:
And you get the best of both worlds. Old school frame with new school tech.
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x398/rad-discostu/1989%20pk%20ripper/067.jpg)
how does this ride? I tried to do this conversion but i couldn't get it to work
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ahead sets way better - while on the subject, did you know that you could actually run 1/8" threadless on a frame that is made for 1" threaded - just slam in the bearings of the aheadset into 1" cups, works a treat. I ran a skyway for a bit doing this with 1/8" threadless pitchforks :P
Weirdly i tried this last week as i had the some bits on the bench i was giving to my Bro, I did not know if there was a reason you should not do this but he said it would do as it saved him buying a stem ;D
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If you search hard enough, you can find 1" clamp on stems and forks.
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i have A 24" GT pro series that takes a 1" threadless head set. i was thinking to get a Quill adapter instead of the old skool Stems, then i could put a new Skool one on it but wil that make any difference? it seems not :-\
Quill adaptors are real flimsy,designed for road/commuter bikes.All it does is allow a clamp on stem but without the benefits of the Ahead system.
http://www.global-flat.com/smf/index.php'topic=28925.0
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My 1" ripper headtube with 1"1/8th forks fitted. This is quite an easy conversion! :daumenhoch:
And you get a compromise, weak frame with strong forks.
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x398/rad-discostu/1989%20pk%20ripper/067.jpg)
fixed that for you. :daumenhoch:
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If you search hard enough, you can find 1" clamp on stems and forks.
menstrual cycles?
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If you search hard enough, you can find 1" clamp on stems and forks.
menstrual cycles?
There was a kinda changeover period where a few manufacturers made 1" clamp on stuff.
I think (although I could be wrong) that Heavy Tools may have been one of them.
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Dragonfly Mosherforks came in 1" ahead, as did Prolite & Haro amongst others.
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If you search hard enough, you can find 1" clamp on stems and forks.
menstrual cycles?
There was a kinda changeover period where a few manufacturers made 1" clamp on stuff.
I think (although I could be wrong) that Heavy Tools may have been one of them.
i think initially it was s&m's bi-product, menstrual cycles, then a few other manufacturers followed suit,
moliterno went with the "1-1/8th and moeller and the rest of them followed suit,
the single greatest thing to happen to the bmx bike.
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the single greatest thing to happen to the bmx bike.
A little off topic but on the subject of headtubes, do you recall the KHE internal gyro headtubes?
Oh man.
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the single greatest thing to happen to the bmx bike.
A little off topic but on the subject of headtubes, do you recall the KHE internal gyro headtubes?
Oh man.
Nasty, the 1st version looked like a bean can & the 2nd looked like a flowerpot :LolLolLolLol:
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"ahhhhj!!!..........all i need iz just von off my patented bmx products to take off and i vill be rich!!!!!!!!........."
fooking khe, what a shower of bmx shit :LolLolLolLol:
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fooking khe, what a shower of bmx shit :LolLolLolLol:
KHE made some awesome stuff, and had great riders . . . . up until the coke can headtube unpleasentness
I recall one rider (Marcus Wilke I think) left the team because of it (alledgedly)
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fooking khe, what a shower of bmx shit :LolLolLolLol:
KHE made some awesome stuff, and had great german riders . . . . up until the coke can headtube unpleasentness
I recall one rider (Marcus Wilke I think) left the team because of it (alledgedly)
in fairness to him Goring has put a couple of half decent products out over the years, the premium laggers and beaters were ok. and the light tyres were ok if you put up with constant flats....
its like he's george french without the logic or engineering morals :LolLolLolLol:
after seeing the first internal gyro i just lost all respect for them as a company...
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after seeing the first internal gyro i just lost all respect for them as a company...
That's how I felt.
This should have never made it past the prototype stages.
Someone in KHE (and to be fair there must have been some pretty good BMX minds in there) should have said "hang on a minute guys, this looks like shit and has no benefits!"
The premium lagger was a great bike (although the 1st gen was a little bendy!)
And the Catweasle - another great bit of kit.
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the single greatest thing to happen to the bmx bike.
I thought that was you joe?
;)
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the single greatest thing to happen to the bmx bike.
I thought that was you joe?
;)
aaaawww bless,
are we holding a little grudge? :'(
let it go, feel the love..... :smitten:
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khe still make some of the best freecoasters, at least they still cater for flatlanders.
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There was a kinda changeover period where a few manufacturers made 1" clamp on stuff.
i think initially it was s&m's bi-product, menstrual cycles, then a few other manufacturers followed suit,
moliterno went with the "1-1/8th and moeller and the rest of them followed suit,
S&M and Standard both had 1 1/8 out at about the same time (Standard got to the shops first, but I know that S&M were looking at it about a year before that, as im sure Standard were too).
The reason some people kept a 1" clamp on set up going was because of gyros. The first people to go "oversize" were straight cable, dirt riders but it took a while for odyssey (or anyone else) to bring out an over size gyro. When there was an oversize gyro, the 1" setup got DROPPED fast!
Oh, one more thing. 1" clamp on was also good for people who had a 1" frame but wanted to upgrade to stronger forks, but werent able to get a whole and frame n fork set up. Again, they soon drifted away.
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Oh, one more thing. 1" clamp on was also good for people who had a 1" frame but wanted to upgrade to stronger forks, but werent able to get a whole and frame n fork set up. Again, they soon drifted away.
Also for companies that had a brace of 1" frames in stock!
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S&M and Standard both had 1 1/8 out at about the same time (Standard got to the shops first, but I know that S&M were looking at it about a year before that, as im sure Standard were too).
The reason some people kept a 1" clamp on set up going was because of gyros. The first people to go "oversize" were straight cable, dirt riders but it took a while for odyssey (or anyone else) to bring out an over size gyro. When there was an oversize gyro, the 1" setup got DROPPED fast!
will evans and i made our own o/s gyros in early 95, 5 minutes with a file and a piece of ice cream tub to make a smaller bearing seal. it was incredibly easy, so we both got pimp and ordered translucent over chrome custom ahead standards. get us!!
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also gt bought out the fueler in early 94 with 1-1/8th headset :daumenhoch:
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are we holding a little grudge? :'(
let it go, feel the love..... :smitten:
never my dear chap - still waiting for you to come and join us fookwits for a group cuddle at TRM1
we don't bite, but Ed may try and put a wig on you
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old school for show. new school to ride................... simples
Steve, when did you start ACTUALLY riding then mate ???
Or do you mean gay cruising on one of the London rides :shocked: :2funny:
Love and hugs mate - my 1" threaded still works just fine on all the ramps I ride thanks :yahoo_silent: :coolsmiley:
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Old school bikes can ride ok.
I guess it depends on the setup, and the type of riding you want to do.
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I guess it depends on the setup, and the type of riding you want to do
Yep, you've seen my riding skills G :2funny:
I can drop in, jump out, do a few turns and jump over a jump-box but I'm never gonna set the BMX freestyle world alight, I just enjoy riding my bikes. I've done a lot of research and development over the last 5 years I've been back into riding and my Badlander has great geometry, good coping clearance, is relatively light and takes a kicking everytime I fall off, so I'm well happy with it. Tried NS and didn't really like the feel, but will have to go there if my riding gets any better I know (but I doubt it will :2funny: )
Fookin' headset kept coming loose mind untill I'd got it bed in fully and a lock-nut :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :uglystupid2:
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there's no getting away from it that the 1 1/8th is miles better than the 1" threaded but you stay with what you know and like Spen......it's all good mate :daumenhoch:
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Run what ya brung, so long as you are riding!
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Run what ya brung, so long as you are riding!
Yep, couldn't agree more bud - at least I'm riding, unlike 90% of the members on here sat at home polishing :shocked: :2funny: