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Welcome! => Welcome => Topic started by: rad1972 on October 17, 2011, 09:49 AM
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Guys,
please excuse my ignorance as allthough i love the old skool bmx scene my actual knowledge of technicality of the bikes is not very high...
Can you please help me out as I am thinking of building a mongoose or a supergoose......
Basically what is the difference between the 2 and why is the SG better?
also why is there various different models mongoose (old skool)?.. they all look fairly similar and do the same thing.. Unlike say a ripper and a quadangle (same make but different bikes)
Please educate me...
Thanks for reading
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Hi Bud :daumenhoch:
Welcome along ;)
Best person to ask is Bobafett, he's a Mod on here
One of the best goose experts EVER :shocked: speaks a bit funny and spends a fair bit of time hanging around men’s toilets ???
But he's a lovely man :smitten:
Send him a PM
:daumenhoch:
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Yeh Johngoose Bobafett will be along soon! :daumenhoch:
I'd be able to tell you that a Super has 2 extra holes on the brake bridge whereas John will be able to tell why it has 2 extra holes on the brake bridge! ;)
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You need to be more specific with the question mate as there are three generations of old school Supergoose, the first two have a gusset and the post '83 doesn't. They get harder to find as they go backwards, and finding any from the late 70's when they first came out is getting tough now. I just sold a complete high-spec 1979 survivor for £550 and the bloke had me send it all the way to Hong Kong as he couldn't find one.
But basically they are 100% chromo tubes, where as a normal Mongoose (or Californian) is only chromo on the main tubes, not the back end and often not the forks. They also usually came with better components when bought complete as well, but Johnnygoose (Bobafett) will no douby correct me on that :2funny:
Hope that helps get you started - if you ask a bit more about what you are thinking of building that usually gets a better more concise answer :daumenhoch:
Spen
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and dont forget the UK spec supergoose is different to the US spec
think we discussed that briefly some where ... ;) :LolLolLolLol:
so now your at four super goose models :daumenhoch:
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Yeah, how long did that "what's a UK Supergoose" thread run in the end ??? :2funny:
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Yeah, how long did that "what's a UK Supergoose" thread run in the end ??? :2funny:
about 59 years. i think - may be more ... >:D
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many thanks for the responses guys.....v much appreciated not as simple as I thougt lol....
Ive seen a possible project on ebay..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mongoose-bmx-old-school-bmx-vintage-retro-race-/230686964742?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item35b603bc06
any ideas what it is and how much I should pay?..(I was thinking calafornian)
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A Cali is a good place to start to get the ball rolling back into this fine 'hobby'. ;)
The was a nice candy red on here, did that sell?! ???
Good luck with your search, I can't see ebay at work so can't comment on that one.
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many thanks for the responses guys.....v much appreciated not as simple as I thougt lol....
if you haven't been here already
www.vintagemongoose.com (http://www.vintagemongoose.com)
its def worth spending some time on
esp under products and Info / catalogues
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Basic rule of thumb is that the supergoose were always full chro-mo and none supergoose models tended to have a hi tensile rear triangle with a full chr-mo main frame (later versions of the cali were full chr-mo though) All the supergoose models also had chro-mo forks whereas for the main part the cheaper models didn't.
Parts spec also played a part too - the supergoose having chro-mo cranks and alloy rims etc. etc.
Good luck, have fun :)
:daumenhoch:
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Bottom to top - Supergoose 1,2 & 3
(Haven't finished my UK Supergoose 3 yet :D )
(http://www.jpdeane.com/bmx/MK11/bobafett_MK11_024.JPG)
:daumenhoch:
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One more difference I remember is that the rear tubes on the SG3 are thicker than on a Cali. ;)
Heres my US Super 3 (same as Johns top Goose).
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt134/botophuket/sg-2-sml.jpg)
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One more difference I remember is that the rear tubes on the SG3 are thicker than on a Cali. ;)
Heres my US Super 3 (same as Johns top Goose).
on the US spec models thats true
but on the UK spec on its not :-\
the UK ones have a "skinny" full chromo rear triangle
think after much talk we worked out that the UK SG3 and the "all chromo" cali's and expert's were the same frame
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think after much talk we worked out that the UK SG3 and the "all chromo" cali's and expert's were the same frame
Indeed, but with chr-mo forks :daumenhoch:
We love talkin about this stuff don't we :LolLolLolLol:
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Indeed, but with chr-mo forks :daumenhoch:
We love talkin about this stuff don't we :LolLolLolLol:
;)
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I could listen to you chaps all day ................ carry on....
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think after much talk we worked out that the UK SG3 and the "all chromo" cali's and expert's were the same frame
I remember that thread.
I ended up weighing an expert frame . . . ?
I should have put Supergoose stickers on it ;)
The Supergoose 3 has a thicker rear end, and different geometry to the cali/expert.
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why all the different geoms?.. what is the purpose?....what does one mongoose do that anthother cant....why the different variations?
Genuinely interested
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why all the different geoms?.. what is the purpose?....what does one mongoose do that anthother cant....why the different variations?
Genuinely interested
The higher end Mongoose frames (Supergoose, then Pro Class) had some different tubes - bigger o/d yet still light (and cromo). Made the frame marginally stiffer / stronger, for heavier older riders.
A small change in geometry, bottom bracket height etc can make for an easier to ride bike for older kids / adults.
The Supergoose 3 rides lovely. I rode on a Super3 frame at Bones Skatepark a few times, back when we were going regular.
Also the different variations thing was to cover the whole market.
The second (or third, if you count the hard to find gusset cali frame) generation californian was all chromo (HT forks though) and was only about £150. A bargain.
Also these later calis (the ones in that period) used the "expert" frame.
The expert / cali frame is nice to ride too.
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And as far as I know, only the DeCoaster and the rare as fook '76 shorty don't have an 18.5" TT length and good rideable angles, so once you ride one Goose, they all have a familiar "feel" about them. Rode my '83 Cali off every ramp iaginable as a kid bitd and raced my '78 Team at MK a few times, so the good old 'Goose is a cracking place to start as it's good at most things.
Just my opinion and I still have a couple of mk1 'Geese in my collection as they are my favourite of all they just scream old-school with the front gusset and the box and scrap bits in the rear triangle....
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What do you lads reckon this is while were on the subject? Ive been doing some work on it for a mate who reckons its either a really early 79 Supergoose, or a Team. Neither of us are sure but the decals look original but the brake bridge only has one hole?
It also has nice but much skinnier forks than say an 83 Super.
(btw Sam Meticus dont look at the pics, it has all 4 parts on it that you've been searching for for the last 100 years!!) ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt134/botophuket/P1130846.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt134/botophuket/P1130841.jpg)
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What shop is that in the background? Nice racey fingz in there, um... :smitten:
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this is like porn...im not even joking
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What do you lads reckon this is while were on the subject? Ive been doing some work on it for a mate who reckons its either a really early 79 Supergoose, or a Team. Neither of us are sure but the decals look original but the brake bridge only has one hole?
whats the serial number on that ?
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I'll check it as soon as I can and post it up Kev :daumenhoch:
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TCBO. 283710..
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T at the front is the key :daumenhoch:
T for Team - so its an all chromoly frame
C - chatsworth
B - Feb
0 - 1980
build No 283710
should have a flat spot too, like this
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v603/kdw712/my%20mongooses/flatstay.jpg)
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Dan, those forks will be the same as the ones on my '79 Supergoose that Dave is probably sat next to you polishing up as we speak bud :2funny:
Compare the decals and the holes in the brake bridge to that mate as that's an original Supergoose - my old one doesn't have the 3 holes in the brake bridge and that's a mk1 frame so I'd guess they were a mk2 detail onwards ??? You never know with 'Geese, they just used whatever bits were lying in the bucket next to them when they welded them together back then :2funny: :daumenhoch:
Spen
ps - love the shop - just bought my plane ticket and am gonna head there in a minute to raid it :LolLolLolLol:
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I'd guess they were a mk2 detail onwards ???
yes :daumenhoch:
after as you say the fuzzy crazy weld any left over stock up to sell phase of '81
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Cheers lads :daumenhoch:
Yes Kev it has exactly the same flat bit on the rear and nice one for deciphering the serial ;)
Cheers Spen I'll let Dave know as hes bringing it round this week.. and hes fooking stoked with it! :daumenhoch: (youre welcome any time by the way.. but no raiding :yahoo_silent: ;D)
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I'm just happy it's gone to a good home and it made it half way round the world safe bud ;-)
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I'm just happy it's gone to a good home and it made it half way round the world safe bud ;-)
No doubt about it Spen ;) Daves starting to build a goose collection thatd make Johngoose jealeous! ;D (Well hes still got a way to go.. but hes getting there mate!) He turns up every week and says 'check this out', and its all mint stuff! :P I'll get him on here once rad allows registrations again. :daumenhoch:
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Yeah the 3 holes in the bridge thing only came in mid-late 81 onwards Dan, started when they phased out the rear flat and T stamp and there's all sorts of cross over combos of these features during the changeover months, and fork changes for the standard geese and decal changes too - 1981 is a nightmare for geese ! ;D
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1981 is a nightmare for geese ! ;D
:LolLolLolLol:
think of it as more variants to collect :daumenhoch:
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Nooooooooooooooo :LolLolLolLol:
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Is this going to be another 52 page topic on Super's >:D
You geese boys :4_17_5:
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Saw the title and was just gonna keep it simple saying ::)
Rule of thumb
If it's got a serial starting with "T"
or
3 holes drilled brake bridge
or
Flattened inner face on the seatstays
Then you've got a 100% full chro-mo Supergoose 8)
That should be enough knowledge for starters ;) :daumenhoch:
When you get a serious addiction , you too will be advising people with a 5 page full on anorak reply :D :LolLolLolLol:
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Is this going to be another 52 page topic on Super's >:D
You geese boys :4_17_5:
Just 'cause you ain't got one Pete >:D
Get round to Simon's secret stash with some green folding sunshine, he was just moaning about how many bikes he's got in the way of his extension he's trying to build :2funny:
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Pete , got a super dooper goose with your name all over it . Red , blue , chrome or nickle that is the question . :-*