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New School BMX 2004 - Now => New School Park, Street & Dirt => Topic started by: oldtired on November 07, 2011, 10:01 PM
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thinking about something newer to try...........
so over the wkend managed to a go on a new school bike , for a good half hour rathr than having the new shiney bike hastely snatched back before i scratch it ,or rub the anno of the rims with the squeeky brake :LolLolLolLol:
now the numbers added up ok 21" tt 75deg ht blah blah blah, set up was not to young kid style with the bars far enough back to rest your sack on but looked right for a fat midd life crisis candidate, and was actually owned by one, ;D, what i found was i felt as though all my weight was quite far forward , rather than centred over the seat area, back end felt real light whilst trying to get the thing of the ground , is this normal with new school bikes , currently riding an 03 macneil which has pretty much the same geometary asside from 74 deg ht and that feels more centred , and stable.
is it just a case of thats how things are now, as most of the new frames seem to have the same numbers attached to the specs are they all simillar to ride , is it just the weight , ? my os race bike is down in the low 20lbs weight with a shorter tt 20.5" but that also rides with you centered over the seat area, and feels like a long frame, although has more os angles
suppose its a how long is a bit of string question, opinions would be apprciated :daumenhoch:
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Your weight feeling forward could be because a lot of n/s frames have a high bottom bracket, it was a short frame or the bars were fairly low. The back end feeling light could be because most n/s rear ends are short, around 13" is common nowadays. Also they weigh a lot less!
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God Jim - I cannot get my head round any of that..
deep man, deep.. :2funny:
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shorter rear ends and longer top tubes.....
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fook that lost me ,,,, but then again it doesn't take much these days :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
i think its an age thing Sid ,,,,,,,, :LolLolLolLol:
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shorter rear ends and longer top tubes.....
This ^^
Opposite way for me, i get on an old bike and it doesn't feel right... ;D
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Did you have the bars at the same angle as the forks? If too far forward that would have brought your weight too far forward.
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i'll probs get shit for it but i've got to say it,
watching fully grown blokes trying to ride their old school bikes i cant help but laugh and shake my head,
its just a lesson in pointlessness,
like digging out a pair of old size 5 trainers, squeezing your size 10 feet into them then trying to walk around in them whilst looking serious,
its a fools errand.
i'll stick with my "21.5 tt cheers.....
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to simplify,
modern frames have longer top tubes to fit taller riders,
the shorter back end is to keep the entire bike length down so its still compact, nimble and maneuverable,
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dear joe
maybe you wouldn't get the anticipated 'shit' you refer to if there was a bit of humour in your comments, instead you tend to come across a bit miserable/condescending. for the majority of people on here the first thing they want to do after signing up is get on an OS bike and have a bit of fun
as the home page of this site states....
"Welcome to RADBMX.CO.UK, The UK's biggest and best Old School BMX Site!
Home of the UK's old school scene, be it racing 80's bikes or restoring and rebuilding your dream bike from years gone by. Inside on the forums you can ask questions, see pics of some of the best 80s BMXs you will ever have seen. And maybe buy that bike you always wanted. So come in and share that part of your life that was BMX and meet some other idiots who have done the same!! "
but then being an intelligent guy you know this already, which makes me wonder if you don't secretly crave the backlash ???
feel the love, don't fight it :-*
hugs
griff
PS I'm also looking for a NS bike to play on, I imagine I will also look a tit on that too but I bet I have a laugh along the way
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:) See where both Griff and Joe are coming from ,it`s all BMX and fun BUT reckon some oldschoolers should stop being so blinkered when it comes to newschool bikes,evolution happens for a reason... :daumenhoch:
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dear joe
maybe you wouldn't get the anticipated 'shit' you refer to if there was a bit of humour in your comments, instead you tend to come across a bit miserable/condescending. for the majority of people on here the first thing they want to do after signing up is get on an OS bike and have a bit of fun
as the home page of this site states....
"Welcome to RADBMX.CO.UK, The UK's biggest and best Old School BMX Site!
Home of the UK's old school scene, be it racing 80's bikes or restoring and rebuilding your dream bike from years gone by. Inside on the forums you can ask questions, see pics of some of the best 80s BMXs you will ever have seen. And maybe buy that bike you always wanted. So come in and share that part of your life that was BMX and meet some other idiots who have done the same!! "
but then being an intelligent guy you know this already, which makes me wonder if you don't secretly crave the backlash ???
feel the love, don't fight it :-*
hugs
griff
PS I'm also looking for a NS bike to play on, I imagine I will also look a tit on that too but I bet I have a laugh along the way
hey, if you enjoy wearing shoes 5 sizes too small thats fine!
i wont stop laughing and shaking my head watching you struggling around though,
your smiling, i'm smiling,
win-win! :daumenhoch:
yay! :LolLolLolLol:
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PS I'm also looking for a NS bike to play on, I imagine I will also look a tit on that too but I bet I have a laugh along the way
ps, i'm sure i look a bit daft riding around on my "20 bike too and i dont give a fook,
:daumenhoch:
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my shoes fit fine btw, they're the same size as when I was 15 :daumenhoch:
OSBMX is a good hobby if you're a bit taller than Spen ;D
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Did someone mention short people who should know better? Ed209 will be along in a minute then ;-)
I get the NS technology and geometrty but am enjoying my 19.25" TT currently and will eventually have a NS but I feel a bit of a peado on them. At least on an OS all the stares you get are soon turned to a nod when a classic bike restored and being ridden becomes apparent. I liked Rich Clean's NS the other day when I rode it but I'm never gonna get 10' out the coping and am just enjoying giving this a go again after all these years off it.
Jim, stick with what you have for a bit longer and only move on if you think the bike is holding you back mate. Simples.
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It all BMX at the end of the day, if you're enjoying it then who gives a fook :daumenhoch:
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I know what... I'll do what the fook I want.
How about that :daumenhoch:
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I know what... I'll do what the fook I want.
How about that :daumenhoch:
see you on saturday (your turn to wear the wig :-*)
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...and all those people who drive 'old cars'... they should just get modern cars which are much better aren't they.
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It all BMX at the end of the day, if you're enjoying it then who gives a fook :daumenhoch:
Top advise :daumenhoch:
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PS I'm also looking for a NS bike to play on, I imagine I will also look a tit on that too but I bet I have a laugh along the way
ps, i'm sure i look a bit daft riding around on my "20 bike too and i dont give a fook,
:daumenhoch:
he does! I have seen him :LolLolLolLol:
Dingo
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Whatever.... it's all BMX, and that is why we love it; whatever we may prefer to build / collect / drool over / stare at / ride / fall off.
:smitten:
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...and all those people who drive 'old cars'... they should just get modern cars which are much better aren't they.
Fcuk me Ed,,,, you've just fallen right into this.
Did you see the recent Top Gear where they pitted some old winning rally car (mk1 Escort I think), against a new production car of some fairly ordinary sort? The Escort got it's arse kicked.
But we all know (Joe will agree) which one we'd go out for a spin in on a sunny afternoon.
BMX is EXACTLY the same.
There's no point going to a modern skatepark on an 80s bike an expect to get around the place in comfort. There's 30 fcuking years between em!
But getting together with like-minded people, having a cruise about, even racing in a specialist class is absolutely fine. Happens in motorsport every weekend as we all know.
This view was compounded for me last night at T1. I saw a couple of riders who clearly had some talent and balls, being held back by their machinery.
Anywaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy...........................
Back on topic;
Of course it takes time getting used to NS geometry. Plus, this is a hard sport. If someone genuinely wants to progress their riding then they'll need that ns bike and they'll need to apply themselves. Expect it to take weeks to get over that 'don't feel right' feeling. Pretty normal if you ask me.
Also, I often say to people if I'm advising (preaching at) them, to imagine in their minds eye that their head, shoulders, bars, forks and wheel are as one. The back end will follow the front wherever you go. Having your weight centred over the seat area is no good these days, you're too far back. You'll do well to clear owt and you'll never, ever nose a jump in if you're stood over the seat. Dead sailors aside of course :LolLolLolLol:
Where you need to be is over the centre of the bike overall, and that point has moved over the years. To achieve it now, lean forward, get your head in. bent arms. The good ole' @attack position'. Watch any pro ride, you'll see it.
Joe's right of course. In context though. Drag a kickturn ramp out and session that for an afternoon, it'll be the newschoolers that look daft.
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it is worth also nothing that while the "old car new car" analogy might be a fun one,
it IS a bit on the pointless side,
cars are meant to fit a wide range of adult sizes,
bmx bikes are not,
the vast majority of 80's bikes are designed with a 10 to 14 year old in mind,
unless you're five feet tall that "18 top tube is'nt going to help you at all if you're actually serious about riding,
of course, if all you want to do is sit around wanking and chatting shit with the other "oldschoolers"
it's just fine.
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of course, if all you want to do is sit around wanking and chatting shit with the other "oldschoolers"
it's just fine.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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:4_17_5: ;D ;D ;D ;D
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the vast majority of 80's bikes are designed with a 10 to 14 year old in mind,
Although that is true, the tall Pro's of the 80s all rode small bikes as well, but we learnt .... and moved on .... and made bikes that are nicer to ride. You dont have to put the seat down, or run no-brakes, but at least get a frame that is bigger, parts that are stronger, and a bike ultimately WAY better suited to "bmx riding" of any kind.
As for the car thing. I loved my Capri with all my heart, but there was only so many flooded Carb stalls (every day), super stiff steering wheel, crap heater and no load capacity I could take. It looked amazing, but wasnt all that great to DRIVE!
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You're right about the Capri thing Alex, Mine was Gold with a Brown vinyl roof :D I loved it as well but They were horrible things to be in!
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i had that same problem for years alex,
even when "21 frames started to come through i still felt cramped, as you know it took a custom frame for me to finally feel sorted on the bike,
dunno about the capri thing though..... ;)
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i loved my old Capri as well Alex, mine wouldn't start if there was a hint of moisture in the air......i would have to lay a blanket over the engine at night so it would start in the morning :idiot2: they all suffered with the fan thing (heater packing up) and many a time the back end would come round at a mention of a wet road....but i'd love a nother one now :smitten:
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Designs (in cars and BMXs) have progressed, for a reason, but tricks on bikes are still loads of fun. An endo or an air still rule, even more so if you know the bike is gunna hold together while doing it, and there'll be enough knee room to pedal away after!
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Good points Rob.. I don't agree with them all but thats life innit.
I'm sure I'm about the same height as Mat Hoffman was in 91 when he blew what was possible out the window. Technology might have moved on in cars, bikes etc. but thats not the point... theres a bigger picture being what it is that motivates you to ride.
I always listen to what you are sayin especially when I'm riding with you as it helps me progress and I'm sure that I might get to a new school ride in time but I'm motivated to ride 'my' bike as I love how it looks and feels and thats what gets me out there... but like anything I'm sure that will change... I've got Lenny's S&M Holmes sat in my lounge waiting for me to have another go at building and riding... :daumenhoch:
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Rear ends on new school bikes are shorter, 13.75 seems to be normal now.
Now for the science.
With your Back Axle being the pivot point on tricks like Manuals it makes it a lot easier to balance the closer your feet (most of your weight pushing down) are to the pivot point.
That is why peg Manuals are piss easy. The shorter rear ends enable easier lifting of the front end.
Ie: if I try a manual on my 96 Holmes 15.5" rear end I nearly pull my arms out the sockets because I'm nearly 2" more away from the pivot point.
Spen is right, get a new school when you feel your bike is holding you back.
Keep the Faith Brother. L
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Spen is right, get a new school when you feel your bike is holding you back.
...and to take this full circle... just don't expect it to feel like your old bike until you get used to it :daumenhoch:
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some good points alround here fella's.it took me a good 4/5 park sessions to get used to riding my new school.....and my frames a 2007(old hat even now) but even though i love riding my old redline or trickstar....now i'm used to my mutiny,i wouldn't go back,not in the parks anyway.my old school rides are for that sunday paper run,or the mk lake ride :) everything feels assured with new school....bomb proof.where as every session on my old schoolers something came loose or broke.
but like anything we do what we feel.and i do admire ed in a very non gay way ;D for sticking with what motivates him most.....he's just taking a slower approach into the new school world.he started with his 84 dp - then his 91 sport - now his 94 sport....by summer he'll be ridin bikes from this century ;D only jokin mate ;)
can't fault ya.
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:LolLolLolLol: forgot i'd posted this one ,
Sud stop reading now cos this'll make the noggin hurt bro' :LolLolLolLol:
as Tricky says all valid points much appreciated ,even the usual tangent these posts tend to go off on :daumenhoch:, still toying with a newer school ride at the mo 09 fivestar lite (sorry Ed :-[ ) not built yet, as i'm liking the Ruben ,
from a riding point of view as much as i love the bashyguard Sport i just felt a little unsafe on it,( not that i have any real skills anyhow, aside from floor polishing ;D,) i think mainly due to bits of it breaking whilst just putting it together, before i got to ride it , so went for the newer design of the Ruben , and then obviously to thinking about a new school ,
conquered the Door Gap of Doom at TRM1 , something i don't think i would have done on the sport ? actually that was the Raddest thing i've done for years ,to some not that big of a deal but for me twas rad, was chuffed to bits untill Glen said " you have to go the other way now " :tickedoff: :LolLolLolLol:
don't feel the old bashy was holding me back in any way but my confidence has gone up a bit riding something a little newer, :daumenhoch: don't know if that's good or bad sure time will tell ?
it's always taken me ages to learn something new on the bike so i have to assume that getting used to a new style bike will be just as long a process , its just the fact that it felt so much different straight away , not just something like the bars being off a little bit , but like a completley different type of bike , think it will be summer time deal to get used to a new school , with time and weather to ride every day.
of course any other thoughts will be appreciated :daumenhoch:
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i do admire ed in a very non gay way
ALL MY FOOKIN EFFORTS..... WASTED :'( :'( :'( :'( and I'd finally worked up the courage to follow you to the bogs on NYD :(
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i do admire ed in a very non gay way
ALL MY FOOKIN EFFORTS..... WASTED :'( :'( :'( :'( and I'd finally worked up the courage to follow you to the bogs on NYD :(
:LolLolLolLol: you fookin loon!
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fookin ell jim.you either had a late night mate or an early start :) happy new year mate :daumenhoch:
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insomnia Tricky thinking about fookin kids bikes just can't sleep , although it could be the Guiness though :LolLolLolLol: