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Title: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 04, 2011, 10:47 PM: Has anyone got one of these kits for doing spokes? If so would you do some for me please?!
Got 194's that need cutting to 188 & 186...
Thank you

Richard
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Bob_Acid on December 04, 2011, 10:49 PM: you're talking about a lot of work for something that'll cost you a few quid to replace
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Post by: stu27 on December 04, 2011, 10:52 PM: fook that off rich
i thought terry(wildon)showed that it works,with what you have
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 04, 2011, 10:52 PM: How long would it take then for 72?
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 04, 2011, 10:55 PM: Yeah but he was using Pro class rims. My mate tried both lace patterns & it didnt work. John said he's got some 184's but they have long nipples so may work...
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Dark Diggler on December 04, 2011, 10:55 PM: build em 4x instead of 3x, should be fine
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 04, 2011, 10:57 PM: Yeah he tried that & said the spokes were rubbing on the flange...???
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: stu27 on December 04, 2011, 11:00 PM: ill give ya a set of suzue sealed and194 mm spokes,for ya bullseyes
sorted :daumenhoch:
dont look a gift horse in the mouth
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 04, 2011, 11:03 PM: Deal of the week there!!!
fookin hell want this sorted now its doin my fookin head in!
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: stu27 on December 04, 2011, 11:06 PM: chill rich
it will all fall into place :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 04, 2011, 11:12 PM: I know but its really frustrating as Ive had em for what seems like ages & could get the majority of the 2 bikes built as soon as these bastard things are sorted!
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Dark Diggler on December 04, 2011, 11:19 PM: Quote from: mothwasp on December 04, 2011, 10:57 PM
Yeah he tried that & said the spokes were rubbing on the flange...???

:-\
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 04, 2011, 11:23 PM: This info was sent via text while i was at work so couldn't have a proper conversation. You do em!! Where do you live?!!!
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: stidds on December 05, 2011, 12:41 AM: You will not find a tap and die set for spokes as the spoke threads are actually rolled by a machine not cut, this rolling ensures that no material is removed when threading the spoke (which would weaken the spoke). When you tap something it cuts a new thread which removes material.

You can buy spoke cutting/rolling machines but they are very expensive.

The biggest problem with lacing wheels is too many people throw spoke sizes out without any thought, to do it correctly you should measure the rims and hubs correctly and put these measurements into a spoke calculator and then buy the right size for the job.

I have laced 100's of wheels and I have never, ever just laced it without taking all of the correct measurements beforehand to ensure I use the exact spoke length.
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: xGoose on December 05, 2011, 02:04 AM: What spoke length calculator do you use Sean? Im always looking for a better one.

I use these 2 at the moment but sometimes I dont think theyre that accurate.

http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/spoke/index.php
http://www.appliedthought.com/danny/Spoke/SpokeCalculator.html
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 05, 2011, 05:33 AM: What makes you think they're not that accurate Dan? Ill try them anyway! Unless you think i shouldn't...??
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Post by: xGoose on December 05, 2011, 06:46 AM: I found a really good one a few months ago but Im having trouble finding it again. :(

The last time I used these 2 I got different spoke lengths using the same rim, hub, etc measurements (they were very different though not just a few tenths of a mil). In the end neither of them were correct and the spokes I actually used were somewhere inbetween.
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 05, 2011, 09:05 AM: Dan let me know when you locate that site again please mate...
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Post by: Dannywhac on December 05, 2011, 09:22 AM: Here's the one I use - never given me a duff result. Click on help and it'll tell you where you need to measure for A, B etc.

http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: Devilock on December 05, 2011, 09:37 AM: Nice one, cheers bud. Ill give it go...
Title: Re: Tap & die
Post by: stidds on December 05, 2011, 09:42 AM: I have always used this spoke calculator, never steered me wrong yet.

http://www.bikeschool.com/tools/spoke-length-calculator