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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Gnarlyscoots on January 03, 2012, 02:49 PM
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I put my 'back in the day' Torker build in the old school street section on bike of the year. The reason I done this was it is a replica of the bike I used to ride around the streets as a kid. I never raced BMX in my life and although it was built technically as a race bike bitd, it has been removed from the said above section.
The bike was not restored and all the parts put on it were used/rider condition parts.
Having looked in the street section, I notice that there are 2 x Mongoose builds sitting there and correct if I'm wrong, were these not built as race bikes bitd??
Technically speaking, my Torker build has a rightful place in 3 sections of bike of the year, Race section, Freestyle section (as the frame is classed as a freestyler these days) and old school street section.
Not looking for things to change, just views and opinions from other members on here please.
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have you had a word with whoever deleted it ?.
to many section if you ask me anyway.
confused.com
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It's not hard Dave, choose a bike in each section, then choose a winner from them, simples !
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I was asked to move it to the race section, to which I had a long ponder over, and felt it needed to stay where it was. It's not restored in anyway and would never ever stand a chance in that section being of twin top tubing :yahoo_silent:
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i was thinking more of the people putting bikes in nick tbh.
whats classed as a street bike ?.
unless you was some flash fook the bike you rode on the street was the bike you raced at the weekend.
but thanks for your guidance on how to vote old chap ::)
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is there definition any where for the classes, for example how is a street bike defined?
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what i was trying to say before the snide comment.
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your Torker frame was a race frame and the Mongoose Cali was classed as a low end street bike
I moved it after consulting with other mods......thanks for letting me know you'd decided not to move it by te way :daumenhoch:
Dave, Street bikes are normally the low end bikes like Burners (not aero pro) Goose Cali, Halfords turbo, Puch that sort of thing......Torkers and TA's and the likes are not classed as Street bikes, even if that's all you did with them BITD
Also, why not use the 'comments section' in the BOTY thread to voice this concern? instead of waiting a month till we've closed em down and set up the polls?
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To me, a Torker 280, Pro etc will always be a race bike. Its just that it had twin top tubes and probably influenced freestyle bike designs.
My understanding of a 'street bike' is one that had lower quality components on it and was aimed at kids riding around with their mates or racers on a budget. My Kuwahara Nova is classed as a street bike, although it was good enough for me to ride nationals BITD. If you check the specs between a Nova and a Laserlite you can see why its classed as 'street'.
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so because it cost more money then its not a street bike........ok :-\
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many of the "low end" bikes were raced at regional and national levels bitd as that was all some people could afford, like wise many "high end" bikes were only used on the street.
cali's were commonplace at race meetings :daumenhoch:
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Kind of Dave but not that simple i guess. Like i put above, it's more the type of bikes we all had like Burners, Puch, Turbo's, Falcon Pro's and the like.
fook me, it's a general guide ffs..............i give up! ::)
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would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?
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your Torker frame was a race frame and the Mongoose Cali was classed as a low end street bike
I moved it after consulting with other mods......thanks for letting me know you'd decided not to move it by te way :daumenhoch:
Dave, Street bikes are normally the low end bikes like Burners (not aero pro) Goose Cali, Halfords turbo, Puch that sort of thing......Torkers and TA's and the likes are not classed as Street bikes, even if that's all you did with them BITD
Also, why not use the 'comments section' in the BOTY thread to voice this concern? instead of waiting a month till we've closed em down and set up the polls?
So the Supergoose that's in the street section is also classed as a low street bike too??
The reason I am now voicing my opinion and not a month ago is simple to Pickle. I have to work, Rad has been unobtainable and when you locked the threads, my Torker was still in there.
I'm not looking to aggrevate or cause too much of a stir, I'm looking for peoples opinions on what a 'street bike' is classed as and and if mine was fairly and justly removed from the section.
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Snide comment you big lord :LolLolLolLol: Wanna fight :D
Chill out chaps, as long as your bikes in there who cares :daumenhoch:
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would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?
I did think of that too dude but, it's not a Torker replica. It's a genuine one. I just felt I needed to ask why it's not classed as a street bike being as thats all I ever done with it.
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yes after school ya fooker ya :P.
all i was saying was should a burner thats been restored to mint and had a fortune spent on it be class more lowly than a T/A thats had the same ammount spent.
when i looked at the sections before i was waiting for this to start.
not trying to cause agro but a race a freestyle a mini and a new/mid school section would have been soooo much easier to vote and put ya bikes in.
just me though bosses.dont ban me yet as im waiting for a few bits to come in the post ;D ;D
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There is no official classification spec written ,, but I'd say the general idea is , it it aint specific race or specific freestylle it goes in Street i.e
Any non Tange Burner
Piranha
Puch invader
Iron Horse dirt burner
Kuwahara E.T
Diamond back Viper
Cycle pro Macho
BH California
Halfords Turbo
Trax Pro
Ammaco 202
all these are full Hi tensile steel not Cro-mo :)
Basically if it wasn't a sub £150 POS it's not getting in :LolLolLolLol:
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would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?
I did think of that too dude but, it's not a Torker replica. It's a genuine one. I just felt I needed to ask why it's not classed as a street bike being as thats all I ever done with it.
yeah i know it's a real one mate but it is a rep of your bike from bitd just as Ash's ripper is a rep of Stu Thompsons from bitd :daumenhoch:
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well thats what you get for building a race bike with twin top tubes ;D
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would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?
I did think of that too dude but, it's not a Torker replica. It's a genuine one. I just felt I needed to ask why it's not classed as a street bike being as thats all I ever done with it.
yeah i know it's a real one mate but it is a rep of your bike from bitd just as Ash's ripper is a rep of Stu Thompsons from bitd :daumenhoch:
which section is it in now by the way?
No griping there Dubs on my part. Just put it in to show her off :smitten:
All I am saying is that, in my opinion, ALL BMX bikes were 'street' bikes as that is where their biggest customer base was. I don't agree with the comment that a Super Tuff Burner was a street bike and the Pro Burner was not. I also had a Pro Burner that never saw the track either and when I went into Raleigh to buy it with my Dad, the guy never said "thats for racing buddy. You should take this Tuff Burner instead".
I thought I would put it in there as, to me, it's a street bike.
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Street class I'd say is about street , Survivor un restored class is something else ,,they've had em before at MK about 4 years ago and not since
I can understand Terry's misunderstanding , because it isn't written as rules
and is just assumed everyone knows what fits in
It is just for fun though ,, isn't it ? ??? :D
This was my Piranha which fits in street ,, not built for race or freestyle , but it's an old 80's bike so must fit in the other class :D
Mostly NOS and not survivor
but definately a POS :Great_Britain: ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/u24/hunterdubber/P1181366.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/u24/hunterdubber/P1221391.jpg)
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Where was the 70's freestyle catagory ? ::) ::) ;D
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
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Where was the 70's freestyle catagory ? ::) ::) ;D
or the 1957 dutch catagory ;D ::)
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An old school "street" category is a little superfluous, until the rise of "street" bikes in the late 80's, early 90's, where bikes were modded to suit that style of riding.
Even though your old bike was, technically, ridden only on the street, I would put a Torker into a race category. It was a race bike (by design).
Although that does raise the issue of bikes like the Piranha and Raleigh Burner. So that brings us back to street as a category. And therein lies the reasons for the category names.
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sausages
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after consulting with Rob I put my silverfox in street insead of race
figured that it should maybe go there since only the forks were cromo & it had copy parts on it, but either way I'm just happy to have it in one of the lists :)
I am going to ride it at MK again though, except this year I might not sit down as I go round ;D
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.dont ban me yet as im waiting for a few bits to come in the post ;D ;D
dont tempt him Dave , he likes taking the ban bus out for a spin
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.dont ban me yet as im waiting for a few bits to come in the post ;D ;D
dont tempt him Dave , he likes taking the ban bus out for a spin
:LolLolLolLol:
I have only ever banned one user on here :knuppel2:
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
nope, that's not how it works...........otherwise you could have a VDC Changa in there as i only ever rode it on the street.
The catagory is based around what the original design/bike was aimed at.
Standard Burner, puch and so on were all aimed at the starters/council estate kid
Torker, TA, Pro Class, PK Ripper were all race bread.
Anyways, it's all done now :daumenhoch:
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Wouldn't a bike be simply how you'd intended to use it back in the day (or even today), unless it was aimed for specific use and advertised as so based upon is spec. :daumenhoch:
If someone has entered a bike into a section, shouldn't it be left as so because another persons opinion could differ?
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no
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
nope, that's not how it works...........otherwise you could have a VDC Changa in there as i only ever rode it on the street.
The catagory is based around what the original design/bike was aimed at.
Standard Burner, puch and so on were all aimed at the starters/council estate kid
Torker, TA, Pro Class, PK Ripper were all race bread.
Anyways, it's all done now :daumenhoch:
so if i built a rep of eddies or bobs torkers does that mean they would have to go in the race catagory not the freestyle catagory?
i'll get my coat :LolLolLolLol:
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
Torker, TA, Pro Class, PK Ripper were all race bread.
What about the Hovis Burner?
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no
Oh ok, I was under the impression it depended on a mixture of things such as frame material, geometry and parts although I appreciate there were dedicated race frames manufactured.
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gerkins
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:daumenhoch:
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There are bikes in the street section which shouild really be in the race section and bikes in the race section which should really be in the street section. ???
This is just my personal view though, im not ar$ed,but i can see why some would be.
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Think i'll go make a brew now :D my head hurts :LolLolLolLol:
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What about a Diamond Back Silver Streak then? as that's what I had as a street bike when I was a kid.
Or would only a Diamond Back Viper be considered as a street bike as it was lower end?
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You know what, I don't really give a Fook anymore........next year you can just have one long thread with them all in one category. :daumenhoch:
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
Torker, TA, Pro Class, PK Ripper were all race bread.
What about the Hovis Burner?
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: no thats the tough burner
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seriously i aint got a fookin clue
haro sport for instance with arayas and kashimax aero ??
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What about a low end bike with better parts.
I've got an Ammco but I've got MKS Graphy's, Renthal Bars, SR Crank, Z rims.
Also I use to race it BITD but also I used it as a street bike.
How about a "Street bike but with better parts on it and sometimes you either raced or freestyled it" section ???
:daumenhoch:
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I rode my Cali on the street and at rOm but it was originally built for the younger racer. so what category would that go in? :10_2_12: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
I reckon most bikes were ridden as street bikes back in the day, but wouldnt that make them Freestyle bikes? Unless you rode them home from school fast or away from the police then they were race bikes. Have to say Rob it was a tough call and i was against your point initially but after having read the full thread think you got the categories right.
But a Cali was built as a race bike, just not an out and out class act like the Pro Class or Supergoose. Just built for the younger/smaller rider.
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Forsooth...!! ;D
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Tell ya what Tel, bet you didnt expect it to generate this much interest...!! ;D
Well I think its bloody marvelous that Bmx Chat is being used in the true sense of the word & not about who's selling what for how much!! :D
Although I think Ive been guilty of that before...!!! :-[ :daumenhoch:
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What about 12" wheeled bikes ???
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an interesting thread, and an issue that i've thought of on occasion. I would categorise my bikes as follows:
Peugeot black lion - made of steel, weighs a ton & came with no name parts and has as an 18 inch ish top tube = street.
Skyway T/A - with branded parts (sugino, tuf neck, kashimax, suntour, hutch). Although it has white wall street tyres on, I would say defo = race.
Hutch pro racer - with 3 piece cro mo cranks = race.
The difficult one for me is my MT racing 'Fox' - This has full cro mo frame & fork (i think), but came as factory spec with lee chi or chang star brakes. The top tube is over 19 inches long. I've replaced the brakes with dia compe and fitted a sugino crank & araya rims. - In light of the full cro mo f & f, and full size top tube I would put this in the race section.... What do you think folks? Your help would be appreciated, as i want to enter this at MK this year, but dont know in what category?
Thanks. Andy.
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carrotts
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The difficult one for me is my MT racing 'Fox' - This has full cro mo frame & fork (i think), but came as factory spec with lee chi or chang star brakes. The top tube is over 19 inches long. I've replaced these with dia compe and fitted a sugino crank & araya rims. - In light of the full cro mo f & f, and full size top tube I would put this in the race section.... What do you think folks? Your help would be appreciated, as i want to enter this at MK this year, but dont know in what category?
Thanks. Andy.
No question the "Fox SE" frame (full Cr-Mo) that you have is deffo a race bike. It shares the same frame and fork as the MT Racing UFO (which was the top MT race bike bitd). If I remember correctly, the bike you have was missing the original forks and now has a pair of Akisu looka likes fitted ? :-\
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Thanks Nathan! I hoped you would look at this thread & help me out! Yes, that's the one. Hope to meet you at MK this year & chat MT!
Andy
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Thanks Nathan! I hoped you would look at this thread & help me out! Yes, that's the one. Hope to meet you at MK this year & chat MT!
Andy
:daumenhoch: Look forward to seeing you at MK ;)
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:shocked: 54 posts on one of your threads thats got to be a record for you Terry :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: loves you really :LolLolLolLol:
Kappy
think i'll go make another brew :)
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:LolLolLolLol: True but still never answered why a Supergoose can be in the 'street' section but a Torker cannot :-\
Oh well.......
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Terry,
The Mods put an imense amount of work into the Bike Of The Year Thread, and it was discussed and agreed that your bike should be moved !
I am sorry that you feel it should have remained in the street section and also discussed it on here. That is why the comments thread is added, incase of any questions.
It is also very hard to 'Moderate' all threads, bit hey ho, we do our best !
Next year we will hold out a Londonhellboy section for 'unusual folk and their It don't fit bikes' :daumenhoch:
Now crack on and get voting and stop going on like an old woman :)
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:LolLolLolLol: True but still never answered why a Supergoose can be in the 'street' section but a Torker cannot :-\
Oh well.......
Torker's are a bag of shit anyway...!! Imagine having one with blue components & riding it around the streets...! Disgusting...! ;D
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why not let people decide which there own bike should be in a not decide it for em nick.
years back everything was just lugged intogether and was never this much agro.
trying to be to posh on here ;D ;D
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keep this thread going... petes been though his starter and main and I, for one, am excited to know what hes having for pud :)
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why not let people decide which there own bike should be in a not decide it for em nick.
years back everything was just lugged intogether and was never this much agro.
trying to be to posh on here ;D ;D
Now that would get messy dave........... :shocked:
imagine a burner in the freestyle section! :D
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hey i used to endo my ole burner.
fiola eat ya heart out lol.
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and you all wonder why MK ain't happening this year...................................
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and you all wonder why MK ain't happening this year...................................
sorry i been away for a while..... ::)
why is there no mk this year then? :'(
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and you all wonder why MK ain't happening this year...................................
don't start that again!
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Terry,
The Mods put an imense amount of work into the Bike Of The Year Thread, and it was discussed and agreed that your bike should be moved !
I am sorry that you feel it should have remained in the street section and also discussed it on here. That is why the comments thread is added, incase of any questions.
It is also very hard to 'Moderate' all threads, bit hey ho, we do our best !
Next year we will hold out a Londonhellboy section for 'unusual folk and their It don't fit bikes' :daumenhoch:
Now crack on and get voting and stop going on like an old woman :)
Thanks for deciding to have a Londonhellboy section. It makes me feel all warm inside and part the comminuty that you would honour me in such a way :4_17_5:
As for discussing it on here, in the 'chat' section of Rad, isn't that what it is here for as I did not see many users using the comments section in BOTY :daumenhoch:
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Terry,
, and it was discussed and agreed that your bike should be moved !
was ya round a table ???
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doughnuts
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did ya say all those in favour say aye ???
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the chat section should be restricted to Ebay price links only,not discussing bike comps :LolLolLolLol:
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doughnuts
Full now...?!!! :)
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doughnuts
iced (freestyle) or ring? (street)
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did ya say all those in favour say aye ???
whilst our trouser leg is rolled up and counting tupeny bits :daumenhoch:
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
Standard Burner, Puch and so on were all aimed at the starters/council estate kid
Torker, TA, Pro Class, PK Ripper were all race bread.
As a 'council estate kid', I had a Torker and a Pro Burner but according to your wording, I should have had only a Burner or an Ammaco :-\
I'm sure there are many others on here who grew up in a similar background :daumenhoch:
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so you been taut to be cautious have ya nick ;)
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doughnuts
Did you have them with cream ;) :LolLolLolLol:
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
Standard Burner, Puch and so on were all aimed at the starters/council estate kid
Torker, TA, Pro Class, PK Ripper were all race bread.
As a 'council estate kid', I had a Torker and a Pro Burner but according to your wording, I should have had only a Burner or an Ammaco :-\
I'm sure there are many others on here who grew up in a similar background :daumenhoch:
Whilst this thread has been highly amusing it is getting ridiculous now. :crazy2:
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Yes it is, now has anyone got any hutch cranks or grips they want to sell for more than a weeks wages
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Yes it is, now has anyone got any hutch cranks or grips they want to sell for more than a weeks wages
no need to blow your wages, just follow ad down the street and wait for the cranks to fall off :daumenhoch:
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4 pages and 79 posts fook me Terry :shocked: looks like you won the bet mate , but it's made a nice change to read a proper discussion and not look at links to Ebay sh1te
back soon time for another brew :LolLolLolLol:
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Yep and meanwhile, Pete benice has died and come back...Zombenice :shocked:
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What about a Diamond Back Silver Streak then? as that's what I had as a street bike when I was a kid.
Or would only a Diamond Back Viper be considered as a street bike as it was lower end?
I remember getting mine after my Pro-Star although I can't recall anything apart from it being a better bike overall. When you read the reviews it's considered a racing (budget laternative to the Pro)/performance street model. :daumenhoch:
The Medium Pro was developed and sold as a 'racer' and the Viper as an out and out budget version of of the SS, a 'street' bike.
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Yep and meanwhile, Pete benice has died and come back...Zombenice :shocked:
JT resurrected him so he could have a zombie of his own
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doughnuts
iced (freestyle) or ring? (street)
I disagree with ring being "street".
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I disagree with ring being "street".
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/81/db/1c/amizmiz-rural-market.jpg)
although I just remembered I did eat an expensive krispy kreme doughnut in the street a few weeks back, so maybe they're street as well even thought they're expensive as fook
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Yes it is, now has anyone got any hutch cranks or grips they want to sell for more than a weeks wages
Iguffalot has some... I know where he keeps em.. :daumenhoch:
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Come on lads
Does it really matter, street ,race,freestyle.
Just fook every bike into one category , people can vote how they like
What floats once persons boat won't float another fellas :wtf:
I'm going back on to my stamp collecting site this is heavy in here :rant:
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Iguffalot has some... I know where he keeps em..
you never got it did ya :LolLolLolLol:
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This thread makes me hungry for doughnuts.
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Griff stop thinking of your belly :LolLolLolLol:
:shocked: i've only been on ebay and now we're on 90 posts ::)
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So is Terry's Torker a pit bike or not then? :-\
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So is Terry's Torker a pit bike or not then? :-\
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...
Standard Burner, Puch and so on were all aimed at the starters/council estate kid
Torker, TA, Pro Class, PK Ripper were all race bread.
As a 'council estate kid', I had a Torker and a Pro Burner but according to Pickle Lord Fauntleroy's wording, I should have had only a Burner or an Ammaco :-\
I'm sure there are many others on here who grew up in a similar background :daumenhoch:
Funny thread. :daumenhoch:
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I just ate a few ribena ice lollies and now I have no gag reflex.
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All I can add to this thread is this.
I had a Skyway T/A bitd, with Hutch cranks, Graphite Tuffs the full works but I only ever rode it on the street, so in my opinion.... You lot moan like a bunch of fooking girls, grow a set and get the fook on with it.
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All I can add to this thread is this.
I had a Skyway T/A bitd, with Hutch cranks, Graphite Tuffs the full works but I only ever rode it on the street, so in my opinion.... You lot moan like a bunch of fooking girls, grow a set and get the fook on with it.
Thank you Stidds. You have answered all my questions in one line :daumenhoch:
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All I can add to this thread is this.
I had a Skyway T/A bitd, with Hutch cranks, Graphite Tuffs the full works but I only ever rode it on the street, so in my opinion.... You lot moan like a bunch of fooking girls, grow a set and get the fook on with it.
Thank you Stidds. You have answered all my questions in one line :daumenhoch:
:daumenhoch:
I am only here to help :LolLolLolLol:
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Still the best thread of 2012. :daumenhoch:
Can we get del to do some Rad endorsed 'Racer' and 'Street' decals so we can all tell the difference. :LolLolLolLol:
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All I can add to this thread is this.
I had a Skyway T/A bitd, with Hutch cranks, Graphite Tuffs the full works but I only ever rode it on the street, so in my opinion.... You lot moan like a bunch of fooking girls, grow a set and get the fook on with it.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: You do have a way with words Sean PMSL
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Still the best thread of 2012. :daumenhoch:
Can we get del to do some Rad endorsed 'Racer' and 'Street' decals so we can all tell the difference. :LolLolLolLol:
What a great idea :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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sausages
Some sense at last , love sausages me :smitten:
Love R Al's Torker race bike too ! :daumenhoch: lol
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The tomato is a fruit :laugh:
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The tomato is a fruit :laugh:
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
The carrot is a veg :D :LolLolLolLol:
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and a Haro FST goes where?........................................
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and a Haro FST goes where?........................................
In a skip? ;D Good point, actually. ;)
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Fook me are lot still Fooking moaning on? Christ on a bike! ::)
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Fook me are lot still Fooking moaning on? Christ on a bike! ::)
you started it Rob! :LolLolLolLol:
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So am I right in thinking, that my mag burner only got used for freestlye!
So in theory it would go in the freestlye section! :D
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No, that would go in the skip section ;)
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Fook me are lot still Fooking moaning on? Christ on a bike! ::)
sorry rob but i just couldn't resist the FST question :LolLolLolLol:
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Andy, I was expecting someone to ask what category Christ's bike would be in? ;D ;D
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So am I right in thinking, that my mag burner only got used for freestlye!
So in theory it would go in the freestlye section! :D
No, that would go in the skip section ;)
fook all wrong with a burner cheeky sausage......... :coolsmiley:
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Egg or the chicken :D