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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Chromo Buzz on April 11, 2012, 11:46 PM
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Evening all,
I'll keep this one short & let the pic's do the talking, bought a set of 'well used' red tuff's off a fellow radster :daumenhoch:(though he may not approve what i've done to them >:D). Then 2 wk's ago i won a NOS set of red tuff's with no hub's, so i basically cut out the old hub's on the bandsaw at work, then hacksawed through the rivet's, 1 pair of hub's were slightly dished in so i used a fly press to sort them out, next step to clean up the hub's & a good polishing.
Next step was to glue them in with aerospace industrial strength adhesive & stand back & admire :coolsmiley:
Here's the pic's
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs004.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs006.jpg)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs007.jpg)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs009.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs014.jpg)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs012.jpg)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs015.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs016.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs017.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs018.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs023.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs024.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs026.jpg)
These will be going onto my 3rd carpet queen that's been 18 month's in the making, it's a Haro Master(85) in 'dayglo' orange(courtesy of SBD ;)), just sorting out a few little finishing touch's to it & will post the complete pic's up in a couple of week's :smitten:
Thank's for looking chap's, hope i havn't offended too many of ya................Buz :daumenhoch:
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brilliant work :daumenhoch: i was a bit shocked on the first pics and thought :wtf: and then saw later pics and got it, brilliant resto just hope the glue holds ;D, look superb great resto work
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:4_17_5: top job can't beat getting stuck into a challenge :daumenhoch:
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bit shocked as well but seeing what you did and how they turned out looks cool :daumenhoch:
just do doing the same if you want a bit more length on the old fellow ;D
now you got to think of some thing clever to do with the old sawn mags :coolsmiley:
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Why did you need to cut the hubs out?
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:shocked: I'm guessing you dont have any drill bits at work ;)
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Great job! I love alloy hubbed Tuff II's (contrary to what one of my previous posts said :-[ )
You did well to get the replacement wheels in such great condition.
:daumenhoch:
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What an abomination. Why did you not buy a set of fooked black tuffs and chop them up?
I see no skill here, just a lack of patients. :idiot2:
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How much is the can of liquid NOS? That's got to be highly prized amongst collectors ;) ;D
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Why did you need to cut the hubs out?
To save the original rivets. If you replace a hub. the hardest thing to do is make the rivets look original - either that or use screws which looks crap. I can see why he went this way but it was a shame to kill an old set of Tuffs. :crazy2:
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Great job you've done there! :daumenhoch:
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Regardless of what you did to the first set, the end result looks superb so well done.
:daumenhoch:
Adam
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See'ing the first pic I said to myself ' fook fook fook!'
The end result is amazing and understand why you did it...
Can you use your industrial strength glue on putting the old tuffs back together?
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R.I.P 25 Year old wheels :'(
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs004.jpg)
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ok im lost :-\ end result = perfect :daumenhoch: BUT why cut the original wheels ?, i take it uve used the original rivits so how did u get them out ? did u have to butcher the cut hubs even more ? surely the original rivits would have been hammered over at each end (thats how rivits work) so how did u get them out to re use , persuming u did? and if u didnt why cut the original wheels up. ? like i said thow end result brilliant :daumenhoch:
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by the looks of things he cut the rivet bolts in the centre of each length (thus leaving a part of the bolt on each hub flange. they could then be removed and then slid back in making it look original. To do this you would have to demolish the old wheel.
shame though as with some work those old red tuffs could've been brought back to life :-\
Oh and the flanges weren't polished either :daumenhoch:
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Are these now going to be passed off as NOS 80's Skyways ???
::)
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So what was wrong with the OG set then ? Was it not worth cleaning them first ?
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Hindsight... Wouldn't it of been better to cut up the aluminium flanges then cut out the rivits the same way? then just wait for some nos flanges to come on eBay or here....
Tis a shame them skyways have lived 30 years intact, only to be distroyed in seconds.... :'(
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2 sets that could have been used = 1 set (that are nice) but cannot be used :-\
or can they be ridden on?
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What is the fascination with wanting to chop up Skyways at the moment? :tickedoff:
From having two sets of wheels that could be saved/ridden, we now have one set that definitely can't and one that possibly can't.
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Thank's guy's for all the comments, good & bad ;)
I bought the used set with every intention of restoring them, it did state in the "for sale" thread that one had a slight crack but not that one of the hub's was caved in slightly. Then the nos one's came up on the bay so i had a plan >:D It's not that i was being impatient, as i have been trying to get hold of some alloy hubbed tuff's in red for over a yr. A minty set of used red one's went for about £255 on the bay last wk, these worked out much less doing this way. I realised i was never gonna please every one going down this route, but need's must. I see this as enjoying a hobby that take's me back to some happy day's during my teenage yr's & am now getting the bike's i could only dream about :smitten:
Buz :daumenhoch:
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good job but just wondered what this has cost you all together including time ??
must be close to the £255 ?
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so would that glue hold them if ever ridden ?.
just thinking down the line if you ever sold em and some poor fooker took em out for a spin :crazy2:
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R.I.P 25 Year old wheels :'(
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/zz80/buzzer1971/RedTuffs004.jpg)
:yahoo_silent: :'(
You could/should have just drilled out the old rivets, gone to a metal merchants who would have supplied you with some metal rods, given them to the man Sawzell who would have replaced your rivets to near perfection.
Like whats been said, why chop up a RED set?? Black we could live with as they are everywhere, but RED :crazy2:
Oh well.....another set bites the dust :(
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had to come back to this thread just to see what other people thoughts were. at the end of the day your wheels so do what u like i guess. BUT that beeing said i think the lesson to learn from this is. .... if your not sure how to do sumthing then ASK first. (remember back to school days . measure twice cut once) as its been said in the thread , the 30 year old skyways COULD have been saved :'( and the new ones u bought could have been "sorted" as well so 2 sets of red skyways would have rolled on :daumenhoch: in stead of one set chopped up to bits and another set glued together :-\
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so would that glue hold them if ever ridden ?.
just thinking down the line if you ever sold em and some poor fooker took em out for a spin :crazy2:
Aeroplanes are held together with the same stuff! ;)
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I appreciate everybody has a right to an opinion & also to voice that opinion :daumenhoch:
But come on fella's, this is a hobby about kid's bikes that we all enjoy.......some of you need to chillax a bit & not take this too seriously :daumenhoch:
Buz ;)
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Ultimately they are your wheels and you can do what you want to them but i cant see why you didnt just drill the rivet heads off, use the other ends for one side and make your own rivets for the other side, especially as they are glued on anyway.
I made this in 2 mins with a bolt in a drill held against a bench grinder. Another 5 mins with some wet and dry and you would never know the difference :daumenhoch:
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/rivet.jpg)
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you could have just painted the mucky ones - tuffs look great painted
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Ultimately they are your wheels and you can do what you want to them but i cant see why you didnt just drill the rivet heads off, use the other ends for one side and make your own rivets for the other side, especially as they are glued on anyway.
I made this in 2 mins with a bolt in a drill held against a bench grinder. Another 5 mins with some wet and dry and you would never know the difference :daumenhoch:
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/rivet.jpg)
This looks like a canny idea but I tried to find an M4 bolt (M5 was too wide IIRC) around 90mm long (or whatever the actual measurement was as it yonks ago) and I couldn't find any. I had to use threaded bar and nuts on both sides which looked terrible.
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What a waste as i was after a set of alloy hubbed red tuffs w/rim stamps.Another set gone forever.They're yours at the end of the day to do what you want with but it's a bit like seeing a mutilated corpse to my eyes as these are hard to find & highly sought after.Which kind if makes you a Tuff wheel serial killer! :LolLolLolLol: :2gunsfiring_v1: :uglystupid2:
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If the old tuffs where cracked I don't really see a problem, although I do reckon a set of black tuffs would have been better donors.
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Technically it's not a restoration as they can't be ridden so not really restored just made to look "good"; it's a shame but each to their own.
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Technically it's not a restoration as they can't be ridden so not really restored just made to look "good"; it's a shame but each to their own.
agree. took two useable things, and fooked em both. yes the finished result looks pretty, but not safe to use, so worthless. each to their own i guess
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Technically it's not a restoration as they can't be ridden so not really restored just made to look "good"; it's a shame but each to their own.
True.....that it's not technically a proper resto, i just thought it was the best place to put the thread :daumenhoch:
Are you a fooking expert at adhesive glue's then? Seeing as this is aerospace grade adhesive i'm pretty sure that these would be strong enough to ride on. Probably more so than original one's, also if i was to sell on then i would be more than willing to let the future owner know what i had done to them. As it is, they're going on a carpet queen that wont be sold :angrysoapbox:
Buz ;) :daumenhoch:
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx68/waza04/sale%20bits/big-eyes.jpg)
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I sold a set of restored red Alloy hubbed tuff lls about 6 weeks ago, fookin beautiful they were, absolutely gorgeous but they only made about £90 odd on EBay, where were all the searchers then? Fact is that out of all the people who love red Tuffs and would readily (it seems) restore a cracked set, it was this guy who bought them and made something great out of them. Yes, an old set could have been restored to a certain standard but clearly nobody else wanted to pay the money for them. It would also be apparent that the adhesive used would be quite strong enough to ride on too.
As far as I can see you took something shite and made something great.
Great job.
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Wow, realy couldnt see why this had been done,
Why not get the old set aqua blasted?
Ok you paid the money & they are your wheels to do
Why as you wish, just a shame to fook up a set
Of tuffs,
Why not get nos flanges and get rivetts made
And do the same thing with glue etc?
My two pence worth
Gary
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:wtf:
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:shocked:
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The old ones had a crack though? So they would have been pretty much unusable and wouldn't be good for show either, whereas these are both? I agree, I didn't like the picture of them cut to bits, but if you couldn't use them this was a better idea anyway...
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Don't know why but looking on my phone scrolling down the pictures. I was expecting you to cut the middles out the nos tuffs and glue them in lol. (sorry been a long day) :LolLolLolLol:
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Are you going to tape up the donors...??!!!! :D
What a waste as i was after a set of alloy hubbed red tuffs w/rim stamps.Another set gone forever.They're yours at the end of the day to do what you want with but it's a bit like seeing a mutilated corpse to my eyes as these are hard to find & highly sought after.Which kind if makes you a Tuff wheel serial killer! :LolLolLolLol: :2gunsfiring_v1: :uglystupid2:
Feel for ya Mike... :(
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Don't know why but looking on my phone scrolling down the pictures. I was expecting you to cut the middles out the nos tuffs and glue them in lol. (sorry been a long day) :LolLolLolLol:
Fook me!! Imagine the response id've received from the hater's :2gunsfiring_v1: representing the 'red(metal hubbed) tuff's' appreciation society :police: if i had done that :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r82/ThiBitterPill/BMX/e31a0e86.jpg)
>:D
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:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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:2funny: :2funny:
:4_17_5:
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What a shame, like Rob said in an earlier post, with half the effort you could have restored the old ones to look pretty much as good as these unridable ones.
You now have 2 sets of unusable tuffs.
Oh well, that's that then
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What a shame, like Rob said in an earlier post, with half the effort you could have restored the old ones to look pretty much as good as these unridable ones.
You now have 2 sets of unusable tuffs.
Oh well, that's that then
You havn'nt got a clue mate :idiot2:
Fooking bell end!!
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r82/ThiBitterPill/BMX/e31a0e86.jpg)
>:D
Now that's funny :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Buz :daumenhoch:
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Wait am i missing something here ??
1. Cut the old hubs out of wheels
2. Take old hubs apart
3. insert hubs in new wheels
Part 2. is the confusing bit, why cut them out of the wheel if you were going to take them apart anyway. or am i missing something really obvious here [probably]
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Here's an idea... get some white tuffs, get some red tuffs, cut every other spoke out, swap into each wheel = 2 tone tuffs... NBD :coolsmiley:
You do whatever you like mate but don't expect people to like it >:D
Frankentuff... there... I said it :D
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Wait am i missing something here ??
1. Cut the old hubs out of wheels
2. Take old hubs apart
3. insert hubs in new wheels
Part 2. is the confusing bit, why cut them out of the wheel if you were going to take them apart anyway. or am i missing something really obvious here [probably]
I had to cut the old hub's out of the wheel's so i could get access to cut the rivet's out. As i wanted to use the originals, contrary to popular belief(on this forum) they are far stronger now than they were before :daumenhoch:
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r82/ThiBitterPill/BMX/e31a0e86.jpg)
>:D
Fookin' :LolLolLolLol: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :daumenhoch:
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Here's an idea... get some white tuffs, get some red tuffs, cut every other spoke out, swap into each wheel = 2 tone tuffs... NBD :coolsmiley:
You do whatever you like mate but don't expect people to like it >:D
Frankentuff... there... I said it :D
I hear what you're saying Ed, i didn't expect everybody to aggree with what i had done, they were in the "for sale" thread for quite a while. The seller did state one wheel had a crack & one hub was caved in & a bent/cross threaded spindle. I bought with the intention of bringing them back to life, when they arrived i then realised they would be no good for show, so i then hatched my evil plan >:D when the new one's come up on the bay.
Buz :daumenhoch:
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You have to change your user name to that ::)... Well funny, so many replies over a set of tuffs, 'Protect the Tuffs!' :LolLolLolLol:
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:crazy2:
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cuttin out them hubs was awsome..........hahahahahaha amazing
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not to worry, i cut up 2 gen 1 frames and a VDC goriila just because i was bored.... ;)
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What a shame, like Rob said in an earlier post, with half the effort you could have restored the old ones to look pretty much as good as these unridable ones.
You now have 2 sets of unusable tuffs.
Oh well, that's that then
You havn'nt got a clue mate :idiot2:
Fooking bell end!!
::)
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Here's an idea... get some white tuffs, get some red tuffs, cut every other spoke out, swap into each wheel = 2 tone tuffs... NBD :coolsmiley:
You do whatever you like mate but don't expect people to like it >:D
Frankentuff... there... I said it :D
I hear what you're saying Ed, i didn't expect everybody to aggree with what i had done, they were in the "for sale" thread for quite a while. The seller did state one wheel had a crack & one hub was caved in & a bent/cross threaded spindle. I bought with the intention of bringing them back to life, when they arrived i then realised they would be no good for show, so i then hatched my evil plan >:D when the new one's come up on the bay.
Buz :daumenhoch:
evil plan :LolLolLolLol:
fair enough Buz ... :daumenhoch: Just as long as you shouted 'it LIVES' when you bolted them on ;D
(http://msptelemarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mad-scientist-300x295.jpg)
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r82/ThiBitterPill/BMX/e31a0e86.jpg)
Fooking :LolLolLolLol:
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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This man does not have a clue.....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Profile%2024%202011/IMG_9956.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline%20Pit/March2011.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/SEM6846.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline600b.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Micro%20Mini%20Frame/IMG_9590.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/MainSide.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Kos5.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/001se.jpg)
And he's a bellend 8)
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This man does not have a clue.....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Profile%2024%202011/IMG_9956.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline%20Pit/March2011.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/SEM6846.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline600b.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Micro%20Mini%20Frame/IMG_9590.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/MainSide.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Kos5.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/001se.jpg)
And he's a bellend 8)
POW! fist of fury >:D
(http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/8453234/2/stock-photo-8453234-fist-in-your-face.jpg)
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This man does not have a clue.....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Profile%2024%202011/IMG_9956.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline%20Pit/March2011.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/SEM6846.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline600b.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Micro%20Mini%20Frame/IMG_9590.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/MainSide.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Kos5.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/001se.jpg)
And he's a bellend 8)
Just imagine what the op could create if you let him loose on all of those bike armed with a grinder and some aerospace glue. :shocked:
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well done fella for doing this i would have done the same as i like to polish the hubs and get them straight and the only way was to cut them out then fair doo,s :daumenhoch:
and dont forget the axle cones and nuts hold the flanges together not the rivets they just stop the hub turning in the wheel so the glue just keeps them in place id ride on em no probs :daumenhoch:
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This man does not have a clue.....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Profile%2024%202011/IMG_9956.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline%20Pit/March2011.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/SEM6846.
[img]http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Redline600b.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Micro%20Mini%20Frame/IMG_9590.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/MainSide.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/Kos5.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v655/dieseldmc/001se.jpg)
And he's a bell end
I'm not dissing his abilitie's at resto work as judging by the pic's you posted they are 1st class :daumenhoch:
But when it come's to adhesive's then yes......he is a bell end. To come out with comment's that i now have 2 pair's of un-rideable wheel's is unbelieveable :idiot2:
The original shagged pair were un-rideable, some people need to get out a bit more & not take this too seriously.
Buz ;)
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well done fella for doing this i would have done the same as i like to polish the hubs and get them straight and the only way was to cut them out then fair doo,s :daumenhoch:
and dont forget the axle cones and nuts hold the flanges together not the rivets they just stop the hub turning in the wheel so the glue just keeps them in place id ride on em no probs :daumenhoch:
Thank's bud for the vote of confidence, much appreciated :daumenhoch:
Buz ;)
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This man does not have a clue.....
And he's a bell end
I'm not dissing his abilitie's at resto work as judging by the pic's you posted they are 1st class :daumenhoch:
But when it come's to adhesive's then yes......he is a bell end. To come out with comment's that i now have 2 pair's of un-rideable wheel's is unbelieveable :idiot2:
The original shagged pair were un-rideable, some people need to get out a bit more & not take this too seriously.
Buz ;)
Perhaps you should practice what you preach? I find you to be very rude in almost every response to some who did not appreciate your reasoning or opinion on the matter :idiot2:.
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well done fella for doing this i would have done the same as i like to polish the hubs and get them straight and the only way was to cut them out then fair doo,s :daumenhoch:
and dont forget the axle cones and nuts hold the flanges together not the rivets they just stop the hub turning in the wheel so the glue just keeps them in place id ride on em no probs :daumenhoch:
would like to see him do this on them then.....
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well done fella for doing this i would have done the same as i like to polish the hubs and get them straight and the only way was to cut them out then fair doo,s :daumenhoch:
and dont forget the axle cones and nuts hold the flanges together not the rivets they just stop the hub turning in the wheel so the glue just keeps them in place id ride on em no probs :daumenhoch:
would like to see him do this on them then.....
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not a problem the outcome would still be the same on any wheel.....i am 18st so any wheel will be fooked if i did :LolLolLolLol:
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I say fair play to ya bud u got what u wanted out of it that's all that matters and I'd ride them allday long :daumenhoch: