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Title: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 12:03 AM
Right so i just got back from picking up some Motomags - in very great shape bar one web snap/ missing

pic's up in the morning or so but a couple of questions

Who is good at fixing the web part /welding ?
Does any one have any spare web part that could be used to welded back on ? pretty please  :-*
Now cleaning them up - two ways to go - very light clean/polish ~ just so they shine a little bit but not too much ~or~ polish them up to match the chrome / can be done but hard work > so which of the two ways should i go ? let me know please  ;)

let me know  ;)

cheers B   ;)
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: Discostu on April 20, 2012, 12:06 AM
Which direction? I say go left :daumenhoch:

I hope this helps. Cheers stu.  :)
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: oldschoolrb on April 20, 2012, 12:07 AM
this webbing

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ab337/oldschoolrb/motomagweb.jpg)

no not got any  :D
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 12:16 AM
That's the ticket right there - pm'd back and looks just the job  :daumenhoch:

stu the only direction you will be taken is "SOUTH" and fast  :knuppel2:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: oldschoolace on April 20, 2012, 12:23 AM
I recon a light buff or maybe a walnut blasting. Motomags look crap polished in my book  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: stidds on April 20, 2012, 12:30 AM
I saw those on t'bay, wondered who nabbed them.

Don't polish them up though, they were not built or meant to look that way and you will imo completely ruin them.
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 12:32 AM
I like/love polished stuff but it's gonna be so hard for me not to keep going on these - they are clean, but i guess i just want them to be s bit more cleaner looking with a slight shine but not super polished  ???

will get some pic's up
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 12:49 AM
I saw those on t'bay, wondered who nabbed them.

Don't polish them up though, they were not built or meant to look that way and you will imo completely ruin them.

Yer had them on my watch list - thought i may as well ask if Nick had a price he would let them go at - he got back to me with a offer i couldn't refuse  ;) 8)
And as the wife and i were near him looking at baby stuff, i got to pick them up - job done

I was surprised no one else put offers in - i think some thought it was under the radar and would put a small bid in at the end  ???

They are sat in front of me - well one of them is on the goose sat in the lounge next to the TV in front of me - they need a clean but the more i look at them it's clear that they don't need to over polished (although would love to see what they look like mirror polished ) just don't know what to use with out going to far - peek, yes but only light i'm thinking ?
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: CD17 on April 20, 2012, 07:18 AM
Don't polish them up.
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: hunterdubber on April 20, 2012, 07:31 AM
Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?


Comes up often this one , but I think I've found the solution  :)


Bendy put the wheel with the sprocket at the back end and the other should just fit in between those two long pieces of steel at the front

Job done  :angel:

 ;) :LolLolLolLol:   :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: kalex on April 20, 2012, 09:12 AM
i don't think you can weld them as i think they have a high content of magnesium or some other high flammable stuff. the best thing i've seen on other restored motomags is araldite for alloy's. i've seen pics of someone in Oz doing this.
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: kungfunky on April 20, 2012, 10:13 AM
i don't think you can weld them as i think they have a high content of magnesium or some other high flammable stuff. the best thing i've seen on other restored motomags is araldite for alloy's. i've seen pics of someone in Oz doing this.

Based on this advice I'd say get the welder out B  :laugh:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: stidds on April 20, 2012, 10:57 AM
I saw those on t'bay, wondered who nabbed them.

Don't polish them up though, they were not built or meant to look that way and you will imo completely ruin them.

Yer had them on my watch list - thought i may as well ask if Nick had a price he would let them go at - he got back to me with a offer i couldn't refuse  ;) 8)
And as the wife and i were near him looking at baby stuff, i got to pick them up - job done

I was surprised no one else put offers in - i think some thought it was under the radar and would put a small bid in at the end  ???



Good for you Bendy, I was watching them but only out of interest to see what they went for.
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: Rodgy1970 on April 20, 2012, 11:21 AM
Clean them up first, you might want to give polishing them and fixing them a swerve.

Autoglym motorcycle cleaner brings alloy and metal up well without polishing.

http://jbweld.net/index.php if you can find the bits to fix them.
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: griff on April 20, 2012, 12:42 PM
I advise putting up pics of the london ride before you start any other bloody jobs ::)
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 01:10 PM
I advise putting a finger up yer bum and them popping it in yer mouth and see how it taste  ;) ;D  when i'm ready  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 01:29 PM
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11194.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11199.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11204.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11206.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11207.jpg)
1982 ?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11210.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11208.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11211.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11217.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11218.jpg)
bugger  ::)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11220.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11221.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11222.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11223.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11230.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11239.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11238.jpg)

so going back to the fixing of the spoke/web - any one done it before ?


(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11191.jpg)
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: kalex on April 20, 2012, 02:18 PM
like i said above you'll have to get another part of web and cut to fit then use araldite.

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=195380
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ?
Post by: griff on April 20, 2012, 02:30 PM
when i'm ready  :daumenhoch:

fookin slacker - are you going for the record?  ;D
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 03:00 PM
I have some thing that i need to sort first - now stop getting your knickers in a twist  ;D
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 20, 2012, 11:05 PM
any one kniow how to date them ? (year wise)

'82 maybe by 8 in the middle and then pointing to about 2 ?

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt183/ELEVENTEENBENDYCAT/mag%20wheels/SNV11209.jpg)
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: sawzall on April 21, 2012, 08:11 AM
i think i might have a bit of webbing you can have :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: oldschoolace on April 21, 2012, 10:47 AM
Just an odd thought but one way to repair the webbing, barring the obvious replacement with another piece, might be to cast a mold of the section you need from elsewhere on the wheel in plaster of Paris. 
Then with the mold clamped in place over the missing section fill it with either lead (the easy option) or aluminium (a bit harder to get to melting point but easy enough with the right torch)

 :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: oldschoolace on April 21, 2012, 11:03 AM
A very rough idea of how easy it is to smelt aluminium  :daumenhoch:

Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 21, 2012, 11:52 AM
Just an odd thought but one way to repair the webbing, barring the obvious replacement with another piece, might be to cast a mold of the section you need from elsewhere on the wheel in plaster of Paris. 
Then with the mold clamped in place over the missing section fill it with either lead (the easy option) or aluminium (a bit harder to get to melting point but easy enough with the right torch)

 :daumenhoch:

cheers mate I did think of this way first but ! - would the alloy after smelting be strong enough to ride ? what impurities it would have and how long before it snapped - it would work if it was for a show queen - next would be to match it up in could and pattern - the original webbing already has the same structure and it may just be to cut and shut it with using the stuff above link (cheers rodriguez  :daumenhoch:) then it could be sanded off and smoothed in

just a thought so far ?

any one do this before ? any other ideas so i can see what is what before i do any thing ?

cheers B
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: oldschoolace on April 21, 2012, 12:13 PM
I imagine the wheel is fine to ride as it is now. Any repair will never be as strong as the original so its all about cosmetics to a large degree. I have used a metal araldite in the past on my car with good results. It files and looks like metal and seems pretty strong.

I would be tempted to add a mechanical element, if the replacement piece allows, by filing a v shaped joint or something similar on the two ends to be joined. If the new piece will hold itself in without any glue then there is less stress on the glue  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 21, 2012, 12:22 PM
That is great info and just the sort i'm looking for  :daumenhoch: top boy  ;)



also has any one seen a set of highly polished set of motomags - i'm just curious

it's just i want the mags to look a bit brighter and shinny but not too much

any one know what will happen if i put them into acid oxide ? will it clean them up of dark spots - will it just dull them down - will it eat it ? ???
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: oldschoolace on April 21, 2012, 12:32 PM
Wrong!!!  ;D


(http://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/038_medium_copy3_blowup.jpg)



Also check this thread, plenty of info. One lad cut all of the webbing out  :shocked:

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=253053&p=1
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: oldschoolace on April 21, 2012, 12:40 PM
hmmmmm i wonder how it would look if you laser cut the webbed bits out of nylon sheet and glues them on some Mk 1 acorns  ;)

 :4_17_5:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: kalex on April 21, 2012, 05:30 PM
the webbing is only there originally to stop kids putting their hands in the wheels, the motomags run ok with all the webbing removed and just the main spokes remaining.
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 21, 2012, 08:01 PM
But there is some thing ICONIC about the look of them, the silhouette just looks great and the webbing make them stand out  >:D
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: kalex on April 21, 2012, 10:04 PM
i agree you can't beat the look of motomags with the webbing intact, here's mine in gold

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p507/wlane17/rcoolmotomag041.jpg)
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 21, 2012, 10:26 PM
Now that looks really sweet - the black and gold combo is just lush  :smitten:
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: oldschoolace on April 21, 2012, 10:35 PM
+1 Nice in the gold   :4_17_5:


Quite like this yellow and blue combo too  :D

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/tt236/johnnyg76543/new%20pics/random056.jpg)
Title: Re: Motomags - need advice and help and which way to go ? Pic's up
Post by: BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN on April 21, 2012, 10:41 PM
did see some where a set of candy red ones -  :smitten:
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