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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: monkian on May 23, 2012, 02:56 PM
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A while back Bendy posted an article on a strange looking Tange frame that really caught my imagination: http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=104279.0
I did a bit of digging around and found out it was a rebadged Schauff Anaconda Powertwist Pro (apparently they were originally available as a kit).
Anyhow, I stumbled across one recently and managed to land it coming via Poland and I have to say I bloody love it :D ;)
It's got some mad features: Fat round top tube, Downtube goes from a vertical oval at headtube to the same fat round at the centre to horizontal oval at the BB...
The article seemed to suggest the tubes house some kind of 'Powertwist' gubbins (similar idea to the Spiral stem on TRX forks I guess) but the 'Powertwist' is more likely just be the shape of the downtube.
It also has Laserlite style brake bridge and doubled-up drop-outs like the Kuwahara. Cruiser!
I offered it up against my Rhino Charge for comparison and surprisingly the Anaconda comes in lighter at exactly 4.8lbs. The Tange Mega Force forks are also lighter than I expected.
It has a shorter seat tube of about 1cm giving it a lover back end than the RC, both have a 19.5" top tube.
I've read that from 1983 Schauff employed the services of MR "PK" Perry Kramer 8)
Anyway enough waffle. See what you think:
1984 Schauff Anaconda Powertwist Pro
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro01.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro02.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro03.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro04.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro05.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro06.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro07.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro08.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro09.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro10.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/a-powertwist-pro11.jpg)
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That's a proper cool looking frame set - great work digging the info out too 8)
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Are the double drops a factory job? ???
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Yeah, pretty unusual I thought to see that in 84 ???
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Thats a Lush f+f set mate :4_17_5: you just gotta love Tange its quality :daumenhoch: Also interested to know more about them double rear drop outs,seems a smart Idea ;)
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very nice paul :)
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Thanks lads, I love this geeky shit ::) ;D
This is the closest I've found to it in the museum but it's listed as an 89 ???
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/schauff/39588
There's some others in there but they seem to have Aero chainstays like the Rhino Charge so not sure what's going on there TBH.
I think this is pretty much what the kit would have been:
(http://www.mtb-museum.de/bmx/bikes/anaconda-cp.jpg)
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thats a nice frameset. Loving this sort of shit too. kind of like the missing link between old and mid school, with the fatter top tube and heavy duty drop outs.
look forward to seeing this built up. :daumenhoch:
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Can't get my head around how light it is but how beefy it looks 8)
Interesting to think that Tange could have been making these for the Germans alongside the Laserlite, Raleigh Aero Pro, Tioga Rhino Charge etc.
Anyone know of an earlier production built bike with double drop-outs? ???
This'll be a keeper for me. Already got some the decals and padset from Dieter :coolsmiley:
It could do with some love but I might leave as is and use as a rider for a while.
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sweet find dude...looking forward to seeing what you do with it :)
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I think ive seen an article or advert in bmx bi weekly or bmx action for one of these.
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great looking frame mate,nice to see something a bit different :daumenhoch:
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I think ive seen an article or advert in bmx bi weekly or bmx action for one of these.
If it's this one, I think it's a different bike TBH: http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=18345.0
Notice the chain-stay strut. The Schauff Rattlesnake was a lower end model but I'm not sure there's a connection between them.
It'd be good to get a better look at the profile shot in that feature so we can see the drop-outs and if it's got a small head-tube gusset.
It's definitely not the same as the other Rattlesnake in Bendys old post. It's a bloody mine field out there :D
If you've got an advert as well, It'd be great to see it :)
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Lovely looking Frameset that :smitten:
Nice and rare. Great score Paul :coolsmiley:
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Nice frameset Paul :coolsmiley:, my second favourite forks too next to Bottema's. I ran a pair on those on my Patterson after I tweeked the forks on it a little.
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Saw this up for sale and missed it but i'm so glad you got it ;)
strange with the double drop outs 8)
it's a cool frame and strange how there is not more, see how they have been put together - must be rare if not many are around
with a good polish up this is gonna look sweet >:D
can't wait for it to be built up :4_17_5:
sweet find now do it justice >:D
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Thanks B. I'll give it some much needed TLC :daumenhoch:
I think a professional polish might save the chrome but it'll have to take it's place in the queue for a while.
The Rhino Charge is next in line...just need to find some Comp IV's, bleach some grips and it's done :)
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Seem weird that more frames didn't go this way and be made like this :coolsmiley:
still keep looking at the double drop outs and think how many normal drop outs have gone out of shape - these don't look like they would >:D
then there is the weight ???
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This caught my eye over on that old thread about the Rattlesnake:
Very nice ! In early 86 in Germany, was a similar model : the Tange Anaconda frame in 2 tones colours, chrome + some colours avalaible (like the Haro of same period). They proposed a kit with Tange Anaconda Pro Powertwist frame, very similar to the Rattlesnake (maybe the same, but with another name for other country) with the same fork as the Rattlesnake : a Tange Mega Force and with SR stem and Sugino CT 175 cranks. I've the publicity on a German magazine under the eyes now. It's damage that I've not a scaner to post it. It's seemed to be a nice frame and fork. I'm rebuilding an OS bike : Mongoose Rupe frame, but I've not a fork. I will buy a Tange Mega Force in Germany to fit with, as I've not genuine fork. I will not make an exact replica of the Rupe, but I will equiped it with parts from 84-85. Have anybody have experience with Tange Mega Force forks ? I've seen a few in the old days, but never own one. Thanks
I thought I'd chance my arm and send the guy a cheeky email (only 5 1/2 years later) to see if he was still around and had any info on the magazine he referred to ::)
Anyway, a few days pass, then out of the blue I get this: :shocked:
Hello Paul !
Sorry for the long time to reply. I've attached to my e-mail the scan of the advertisement on the German BMX magazine that I bought on June 1986 when I was 16...
Hope this helps and appologies again for the long time to reply. Regards from Switzerland. Romain
What an incredible thing to do. Romain, I thank you my friend 8) :daumenhoch:
:4_17_5:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/anaconda-ad-web02.jpg)
As far as I've been able to translate, it goes a bit like this: 3-part series: frame, cranks and stem (with potts mod).
Colors: chrome / turquoise, chrome / lavender, chrome / white and blue.
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Definitely heading towards mid school with that colour scheme! Love the decals, very Vector-ish I think you have made a brilliant find there :daumenhoch:
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Cool frame Paul :coolsmiley:
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Hey you was after this frame for some time now, no? Nice find.
Love the green paint on the chrome set up!! do it :)
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Thanks, yeah I've been looking for one ever since Bendy put up that thread up with the magazine article on the rebranded UK version :D
Really chuffed to have landed it and only really found it by chance. It ticks a hell of a lot of boxes for me
8) :)
I love the two-tone colour schemes, it's definitely an option but I'm not sure if they were available in 84.
It'll probably come down to how well (or not) the OG chrome cleans up TBH.
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Amazeballs !!!!! What's the update ? The people want to know :D
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Thanks Wez :)
Well at the moment I'm using it to train on for the Moonriders London to Cambridge ride.
Please take a look and feel free to donate: http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/team/ASITE
It'll be getting some TLC at some point that's for sure....probably needs a re-chrome tbh.
As for parts: Thanks to Yan Yan I've now got a lovely NOS SR Stem - like the one in the Ad.
I've also got NOS Decals & Padset from Dieter at Rainer's...errrr what else...
Shimano HF DX Hubs, Ukai Box Rims, NOS Black Ultra Dyno Cranks, NOS Tioga Beartrap BB,
NOS Shimano GX-Grippers...working on the bars :coolsmiley:
There's probably some other stuff I've forgotten about as well ::) ;D
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Here we go then Bud ;)
Nos ...apparently ::)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/WezTon001/T2eC16FcE9s4PsNGPBRVGsyDGvg60_35_zpsf0698400.jpeg)
Can't fookin wait on this one
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Nice one Wez 8) :daumenhoch:
Have you got any more info on it or a larger photo?
From the decals it could be some kind of Perry Kramer signature Model ???
I guess the Powertwist Pro could be one and the same.
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this is one very cool frameset....never seen till just now & love it (id go chrome/green on this) :daumenhoch:
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bit limited atm for pics and extra info,
its just a Pro not Pro race I reckon, been eyeing up the evidence >>
http://www.mtb-museum.de/bmx/bikes/older-bikes.htm
'New' Tange Frame and Tange forks...unbuilt... :-\
2013 redline cranks... ???
decals and pads.
Coming from Germania . .
Thats all i got :-\
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Look forward to seeing it unveiled when it lands 8)
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(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/WezTon001/2bfc611d-1b34-4fdf-a94a-56f3cca782e7_zps8014c184.jpg)
best i got..
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Look forward to seeing it unveiled when it lands 8)
And How Mate :D
Got a Nos set of Tioga V bars ready to start the jigsaw :daumenhoch:
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Interesting, the top-tube looks nice and fat so it could well be a Powertwist Pro ???
It's got the Tange Mega Force forks as well...
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Loving the Mega Forks, had a pair bitd and they were virtually indestructable and believe me I gave it a good go!
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What a fantastic F&F that is :daumenhoch: Looks really cool with the beefy tubes etc . Those forks r great aswell :coolsmiley: interesting history too it ^"^
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does yours have the chain wheel "cuttout" monkian ?
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Wez, I've only ever seen that indent on the chain-stay on the Anaconda Pro-Race.
It also had tapered tubes, flared seat tube and Aero chain-stays like the Rhino Charge.
Gerry over on BW had one a while back:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx29/gerry1healy/100_1328.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/100_1324.jpg)
(http://www.mtb-museum.de/bmx/bikes/anaconda-cp-bike.jpg)
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heavyweight
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Wez, I've only ever seen that indent on the chain-stay on the Anaconda Pro-Race.
It also had tapered tubes, flared seat tube and Aero chain-stays like the Rhino Charge.
Gerry over on BW had one a while back:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/xx29/gerry1healy/100_1328.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Reference/100_1324.jpg)
(http://www.mtb-museum.de/bmx/bikes/anaconda-cp-bike.jpg)
Cool, Yep all seems in line with what Ive read and seen then ;)
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Cool :coolsmiley: :daumenhoch:
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Paul that's awesome 8)
Need more pics
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Hey, it's good to hear from you Nick :daumenhoch:
I think it's about time we had some pics of your NOS Rhino Charge...
:coolsmiley:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i175/vimto_uk/Tioga%20-%20Tange%20BMX/rhino_charge02_zps7edd43ff.jpg)
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Gimme a chance man, these things take time ::)
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Yeah, you're not wrong...I'm a fine one to talk ::) ;D
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:LolLolLolLol:
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Perhaps a snap of yr built up 'Twist monkian... ? As it stands... ^"^
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Anybody noticed that the rear drop outs are 2 sets welded together all around the outside with a continuous weld :coolsmiley:
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I'll get a pic done tomorrow but it's a bit of a mash-up of parts :-\
Like I said, I'm using it to train on for the L2C ride so more about being practical than posh.
Steve, I wonder if those doubled up drop-outs came from Mr PK's contribution :coolsmiley:
Very cool and unusual to see it on a bike from 84.
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I'll get a pic done tomorrow but it's a bit of a mash-up of parts :-\
Like I said, I'm using it to train on for the L2C ride so more about being practical than posh.
Steve, I wonder if those doubled up drop-outs came from Mr PK's contribution :coolsmiley:
Very cool and unusual to see it on a bike from 84.
NP bud, every build is a key for ideas with these as there proper thin on the ground, pics, info etc ;)
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here he is ;)
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,160640.msg1604539.html#msg1604539
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/WezTon001/20130405_143035_zps07529da1.jpg)