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Title: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Rob1 on September 11, 2012, 05:58 PM
They remade Comp 3s , why can`t they remake Comp STs or Pools or at least some skinwall tyres ? Mabe they did and I don`t know .... tell me :(
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Mdbh on September 11, 2012, 06:17 PM
Ithink they did fella, but I maybe wrong!:)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: spesh on September 11, 2012, 06:55 PM
a bicycle company in america contacted panaracer to make some nos mtb gumwalls
so panaracer obliged and dug out the old moulds and did a run of them

http://www.firstflightbikes.com/timbuktire.htm



i have a pair on my restored muddy fox

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g279/spesh1967/muddyfox/muddyfoxmagazinephotos024.jpg)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: pickle on September 11, 2012, 06:58 PM
What's the point in collecting old stuff if all the companies just redo them  ???

If you want tyres to ride on then pork chop makes copies  :daumenhoch:

if its for a show build then patience is the key........finding that right part is all the fun.  there's no rush  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: HARORIDER on September 11, 2012, 07:39 PM
What's the point in collecting old stuff if all the companies just redo them  ???

If you want tyres to ride on then pork chop makes copies  :daumenhoch:

if its for a show build then patience is the key........finding that right part is all the fun.  there's no rush  :daumenhoch:

1) because no body can hold of them anymore
2) copies don't look nothing like the originals
3) there is no fun in finding the right tyres then finding out they are £300 and cannot afford them anyway and to me that's taking "the fun" out of it :-[
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Chromo Buzz on September 11, 2012, 07:53 PM
a bicycle company in america contacted panaracer to make some nos mtb gumwalls
so panaracer obliged and dug out the old moulds and did a run of them

http://www.firstflightbikes.com/timbuktire.htm



i have a pair on my restored muddy fox

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g279/spesh1967/muddyfox/muddyfoxmagazinephotos024.jpg)


Am loving the 'so solid crew' (ie:no suspension) old school mtb you have there :coolsmiley: :smitten: :4_17_5:

Buz :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: deeman on September 11, 2012, 07:55 PM
I think there is a place for repops.The pork chop st's are fine for a rider,even he doesn't seem to have the white ones anymore.I wish TIOGA would do an ST repop too,It would help alot of people out instead of having to pay £100 plus for a pair of  perished/dry originals that are too expensive and delicate to ride on.My mate was recently looking for some white freestyle gumwalls but had to settle for comp 3 copies because there was nothing available for a sensible budget.Surprised no ones jumped on this,I'm sure they would sell plenty. :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: pickle on September 11, 2012, 07:57 PM
What's the point in collecting old stuff if all the companies just redo them  ???

If you want tyres to ride on then pork chop makes copies  :daumenhoch:

if its for a show build then patience is the key........finding that right part is all the fun.  there's no rush  :daumenhoch:

1) because no body can hold of them anymore
2) copies don't look nothing like the originals
3) there is no fun in finding the right tyres then finding out they are £300 and cannot afford them anyway and to me that's taking "the fun" out of it :-[

What tyres are £300  ???  I picked up some nos comp st lavender tyres for £80 and some minty white GT tyres for £60. They're out there, don't just go on baggio or crazy eBay prices
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: MaD-RoK on September 12, 2012, 08:56 AM

They're out there, don't just go on baggio or crazy eBay prices

X2

Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Rob1 on September 12, 2012, 09:19 AM
Hmmm the collector mentality....perhaps Del should stop making decal sets . It would be such fun to hunt around for impossible to find decals to finish our bikes .
Come on....Skyway still make wheels , Ame still make grips , has that ruined it for everyone ?
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: pickle on September 12, 2012, 09:41 AM
i'm not saying that making repops would ruin anything, what i am saying is it's kind of taking the quick easy way out.  I have wanted a set of grips for over a year now.........i search for them and nothing, then bang! last week they turn up and a bagged them for £17 which is only a bit dearer than a new set of AME grips, but these are old era correct ones which i have been after for a while.

For a rider, why would you use 30 year old tyres anyway?  i think repop ones would be fine for that........i just think it's better to search for the right parts, not just a quick fix and move onto the next.

as for decals?  they were hardly made in great numbers BITD were they?  they were not a standard part that got made in the millions like brakes, tyres and the like  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: ozone on September 12, 2012, 09:50 AM
Hmmm the collector mentality....perhaps Del should stop making decal sets . It would be such fun to hunt around for impossible to find decals to finish our bikes .
Come on....Skyway still make wheels , Ame still make grips , has that ruined it for everyone ?

Where else can people find these items apart from eBay and Vert- Ego etc?  Us civilians don't have access to Shiners stock you know.  Call it impatience but waiting 18 months to find a vital part for a build frustrates the hell out of me.  Guess I'm just spoilt as I was used to paying sensible money for tyres etc. from Alans, Rudewheels, Skatepool and Vert-ego before the NOS stock sold out.   :(

I have no problem with TIoga or anyone else knocking out repop tyres as they're consumable items that aren't meant to last for 30 years.  Frames and other components are a different matter as far as collectors are concerned.
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Rob1 on September 12, 2012, 09:57 AM
Hmmm the collector mentality....perhaps Del should stop making decal sets . It would be such fun to hunt around for impossible to find decals to finish our bikes .
Come on....Skyway still make wheels , Ame still make grips , has that ruined it for everyone ?



I have no problem with TIoga or anyone else knocking out repop tyres as they're consumable items that aren't meant to last for 30 years. 

That`s the point . Everything else can be restored . I don`t want Porkchop tyres and I want to ride my bike . :yahoo_silent:



 ;)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Devilock on September 12, 2012, 10:10 AM
Where else can people find these items apart from eBay and Vert- Ego etc?  

 ??? Er, BMX Museum, OZBMX etc...

What tyres are £300  ???


Find some NOS Comp II's or NOS Hutch or NOS Kuwi's & see how much they are...!  ^"^
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: pickle on September 12, 2012, 10:14 AM
There's always the exception yo the rule.  but you can pick up old tyres for a lot less.

Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Devilock on September 12, 2012, 10:21 AM
There's always the exception yo the rule.  but you can pick up old tyres for a lot less.



Indeed, I did! You can get lucky too... ;)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Peter J on September 12, 2012, 10:42 AM
It took me best part of 2 years to find some Red Comp III's (fatties) and I still haven’t found a 1.75 after 4 years of looking!!! And to be honest its part of the hobby for me

I've seen a couple come up at stupid money and I just think if your that desperate for it and your that daft to spend that type of money on it then good luck to you  :daumenhoch:

Consumables (Tire's, Grips, Brake Blocks, Cables) will always be hard to find, but they are out there, I picked up a pair of 1980's SE branded tires (very rare) for a £10  :daumenhoch: the guy wanted £7 postage but I collected instead, Well I'm not made of money  :idiot2:

I collect old fishing tackle and some of the goes for STUPID money but I've picked stuff up cheap that should have been 10 times what I've paid, yes I've been waiting years for it but I can wait

I know of people on here who will have borrowed stuff so the can photograph the "finished article"  :angel:

I think repop for “go” original for “show”  as I wouldn’t want my fat ass on 30 year old tires !!!!
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: ED209 on September 12, 2012, 01:24 PM
just brought these Kendas off the sale section... pretty similar to Panaracers  :)

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p507/wlane17/londonhellboy009.jpg)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: HARORIDER on September 12, 2012, 04:44 PM
What's the point in collecting old stuff if all the companies just redo them  ???

If you want tyres to ride on then pork chop makes copies  :daumenhoch:

if its for a show build then patience is the key........finding that right part is all the fun.  there's no rush  :daumenhoch:

1) because no body can hold of them anymore
2) copies don't look nothing like the originals
3) there is no fun in finding the right tyres then finding out they are £300 and cannot afford them anyway and to me that's taking "the fun" out of it :-[

What tyres are £300  ???  I picked up some nos comp st lavender tyres for £80 and some minty white GT tyres for £60. They're out there, don't just go on baggio or crazy eBay prices
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOS-RARE-Peregrine-White-HP-48-tires-Hutch-Dnyo-GT-Old-School-BMX-Freestyle-/180957748674?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a21ec1dc2
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Cycle-Pro-Snake-Belly-24-x-2-125-BMX-Bicycle-Bike-Tires-New-Old-Stock-/350497371468?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item519b45754c
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Gnarlyscoots on September 12, 2012, 04:53 PM
A set of those White Peregrine tyres sold on RB.com the other day for £15  :shocked:  :shocked:  posted

Shame they will end up on the bay as the buyer has no scruples  :knuppel2:

And I think they should make re-issues of all their tyres, inclusive of Comp II's, Comp ST's, Comp Ramp etc etc as I ride all my bikes and need some more  :LolLolLolLol:  I like to keep the bikes as era correct as possible and tyres are no exception. The Comp III re-issues are good tyres though  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: rooski on September 12, 2012, 05:29 PM
Hmmm the collector mentality....perhaps Del should stop making decal sets . It would be such fun to hunt around for impossible to find decals to finish our bikes .
Come on....Skyway still make wheels , Ame still make grips , has that ruined it for everyone ?



I have no problem with TIoga or anyone else knocking out repop tyres as they're consumable items that aren't meant to last for 30 years. 

That`s the point . Everything else can be restored . I don`t want Porkchop tyres and I want to ride my bike . :yahoo_silent:



 ;)

Email Tioga and demand that they reissue all the tyres you want in various colours,so you can ride your bike and it will look right,im sure they will do everything they can to accommodate you.
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Rob1 on September 12, 2012, 05:40 PM
Don`t be so silly .... got anything useful to say ?
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: rooski on September 12, 2012, 05:56 PM
Don`t be so silly .... got anything useful to say ?

Tioga are a massive company,they are in the game to make money,they reissued the comp 3 as they still use the moulds and it would not cost much to do this :daumenhoch:

Two sizes in one colour,so not difficult to do,plenty of people will buy em :daumenhoch:

Freestyle tyres,they would have to choose styles and colours and sizes

So st,s 1.75,2.125 white, black,red, pink,etc,which do they reissue ???,will they be stuck with loads of one colour ???

They have to make batches of tyres,not just a few to make it viable :daumenhoch:

If you want to ride with genuine o/s tyres,get your hand in your pocket,or be prepared to wait until some come up at the right price :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: ED209 on September 12, 2012, 06:07 PM
Don`t be so silly .... got anything useful to say ?

Tioga are a massive company,they are in the game to make money,they reissued the comp 3 as they still use the moulds and it would not cost much to do this :daumenhoch:

Two sizes in one colour,so not difficult to do,plenty of people will buy em :daumenhoch:

Freestyle tyres,they would have to choose styles and colours and sizes

So st,s 1.75,2.125 white, black,red, pink,etc,which do they reissue ???,will they be stuck with loads of one colour ???

They have to make batches of tyres,not just a few to make it viable :daumenhoch:

If you want to ride with genuine o/s tyres,get your hand in your pocket,or be prepared to wait until some come up at the right price :daumenhoch:

not so silly  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: dordymush on September 12, 2012, 06:25 PM
whats wrong with wilko tyres  :P
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: ozone on September 12, 2012, 09:07 PM
Where else can people find these items apart from eBay and Vert- Ego etc?  

 ??? Er, BMX Museum, OZBMX etc...


Don't know about OZBMX and I don't use the museum anymore but I can't exactly remember it being 'bargain city' and I seem to remember that a lot of Septics refused to ship to the old world.  Kn0bs.   :LolLolLolLol:

Those Kenda K55's are a great compromise as they are just like Panaracers but I remember looking for a set a while back and they were only available from the States and the shipping was a bit of killer.   ::)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Gnarlyscoots on September 12, 2012, 09:25 PM
Where else can people find these items apart from eBay and Vert- Ego etc?  

 ??? Er, BMX Museum, OZBMX etc...


Don't know about OZBMX and I don't use the museum anymore but I can't exactly remember it being 'bargain city' and I seem to remember that a lot of Septics refused to ship to the old world.  Kn0bs.   :LolLolLolLol:

the States and the shipping was a bit of killer.   ::)
They only refuse to ship as too many people over here have 'alledged' item not received and they have lost lots of dollars  :yahoo_silent:  You will find many will offer you insurance, at your cost of around $2.50, which covers you both. It costs $30 - $35 to ship tyres from the states, flat packed not folded, which is not much at all  :daumenhoch:  Just be polite and they will generally help you out. Or do as I do. Have a couple of members that will ship to you here and have them buy it for you with your funds. Just chuck them an extra few dollars for their time  :coolsmiley:  You come across far more tyres than you would over here so worth it in my opinion  ;)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Devilock on September 12, 2012, 09:54 PM
Don't know about OZBMX and I don't use the museum anymore but I can't exactly remember it being 'bargain city' and I seem to remember that a lot of Septics refused to ship to the old world.  Kn0bs. 

I have not encountered one member on the museum who has refused to ship.
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: ozone on September 13, 2012, 08:10 AM
Don't know about OZBMX and I don't use the museum anymore but I can't exactly remember it being 'bargain city' and I seem to remember that a lot of Septics refused to ship to the old world.  Kn0bs. 

I have not encountered one member on the museum who has refused to ship.

You must be buying crap that nobody wants then.  They like to keep the good stuff for themselves.   :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Rob1 on September 13, 2012, 05:23 PM
Don`t be so silly .... got anything useful to say ?

Tioga are a massive company,they are in the game to make money,they reissued the comp 3 as they still use the moulds and it would not cost much to do this :daumenhoch:

Two sizes in one colour,so not difficult to do,plenty of people will buy em :daumenhoch:

Freestyle tyres,they would have to choose styles and colours and sizes

So st,s 1.75,2.125 white, black,red, pink,etc,which do they reissue ???,will they be stuck with loads of one colour ???

They have to make batches of tyres,not just a few to make it viable :daumenhoch:

If you want to ride with genuine o/s tyres,get your hand in your pocket,or be prepared to wait until some come up at the right price :daumenhoch:

Right ,so Duro , the company that make the Porkchop tyres , also a huge rubber company , are in it for the riders ? Of course not , everyone needs to make money and there`s obviously a market .
As for the colours and sizes , personally I would be happy if Tioga just did black skinwalls ( Sts , Pools whatever ) in a 1.75 . I never thought pink tyres were a good idea even in the 80s .
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: Devilock on September 13, 2012, 06:39 PM
You must be buying crap that nobody wants then.  They like to keep the good stuff for themselves.   :LolLolLolLol:

 ;D

There is cack but Ive had great items at great prices.  ;)

(That sounds like a crap slogan for a really shit supermarket!)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: rooski on September 13, 2012, 06:40 PM
Duro/hwa fong have been making bmx tyres for ages.

They will have all the moulds for comp st's,comp 2/3 etc

Some of the tyres Porkchop sells will already be made for oem bike companys for all kinds of cheap kids bikes

Porkchop has approached duro to make the tyres that he knows he can sell,obviously he had to say he will take so many of each style etc.

If Porky wanted o/s tyres we would have approached Tioga as well,maybe they said they werent interested ???

Food for thought :)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: deeman on September 13, 2012, 10:11 PM
How many tyes do you think would have to be ordered Andy'to make it viable?Pork Chop seems to have stopped doing the white ST's now!bit of a gap in the market! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: ED209 on September 13, 2012, 10:21 PM
Where else can people find these items apart from eBay and Vert- Ego etc?  

 ??? Er, BMX Museum, OZBMX etc...


Don't know about OZBMX and I don't use the museum anymore but I can't exactly remember it being 'bargain city' and I seem to remember that a lot of Septics refused to ship to the old world.  Kn0bs.   :LolLolLolLol:

Those Kenda K55's are a great compromise as they are just like Panaracers but I remember looking for a set a while back and they were only available from the States and the shipping was a bit of killer.   ::)

just brought mine off here for £30  :)
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: animal on September 13, 2012, 10:23 PM
I paid nearly £200 4 my black red wall comp ST's  :uglystupid2: But that said I never seen another set and they were NOS  :smitten: plus they look ace  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Why don`t Tioga just make some old school tyres ?
Post by: rooski on September 13, 2012, 10:35 PM
How many tyes do you think would have to be ordered Andy'to make it viable?Pork Chop seems to have stopped doing the white ST's now!bit of a gap in the market! :daumenhoch:

No idea dude :D

Obviously they need to set up for each run,that will be a set cost :daumenhoch:

Costs per tyre will dilute,as numbers made rise :daumenhoch:

As for the white st,s maybe he will wait until he gets a few wanting them ???
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