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Title: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 06:18 AM
I'm just looking at fixing a WAL Bashguard to my 2hip Big Boy frame...

the front is straight forward ... drill through the down tube and bolt on ( MidschoolJon has already advised getting a metal tube down through the drill hole to stop the downtube getting squashed when its tightened  :daumenhoch: )

the rear is a bit trickier as the bashy braket doesn't match the chain stay brace to drill through ... I was thinking 'a bracket' above the chain stay to bolt onto... but does anyone have a better idea...

I have been invited to the 'MunnyLab' to do some drillin'n'shit  8) I'm not letting Keith anywhere near this project.

( I know that TTIUWP but its early and I can't find the camera without waking people up  :) - pics to follow )
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Munnyella on September 14, 2012, 07:03 AM
There are many ideas in my mainly unused mind.

What size bolt hole in the down tube fixing end?

I have some threaded inserts which may do a job...

We could knock up an ally clamp to go around the stay brace and pick up the fixing where needed, brushed finish, very mid!!

Lets see the pics.

MM
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 11:50 AM
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Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Jaymz on September 14, 2012, 01:40 PM
I would go down the route of the old gt bolt on bashguard. You could easily get a couple of plates machined up to fit round the chainstays
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Munnyella on September 14, 2012, 03:21 PM
Are you prepared to drill the frame?

If so, I'd drill the frame where it would be if it were a WAL Riot and modify the bash guard, cut off the legs where they join the rails and re fix a bit further up. Its the proper way to do it.

If you dont want tho drill, the we can make up a couple of clamping plates, but it'll look gay.

Lets get this biatch sorted, I know welders!!

MM
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 03:31 PM
I'm prepared for anything  :)

I was thinking of cutting a chunk out of the bars of the bash bit to shorten it, stick something inside to join them up again, then drill and bolt it on behind the BB.

It will never be 'bashed' so it doesn't have to be super strong  :)
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: griff on September 14, 2012, 03:40 PM

It will never be 'bashed' so it doesn't have to be super strong  :)

Got some blue-tack if that's any good to ya?
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: pickle on September 14, 2012, 03:41 PM
What a pile of wank design!
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: jimwise68 on September 14, 2012, 03:43 PM
It will never be 'bashed' so it doesn't have to be super strong  :)

Ed, then whats the point of doing it?  ???  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Discostu on September 14, 2012, 04:41 PM
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: midschooljon on September 14, 2012, 05:07 PM
What a pile of wank design!

To be fair the two items were never made to work together. offer that bash up to a WAL and it fits perfectly.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Robbo on September 14, 2012, 05:11 PM
Dont modify the bashguard Ed, there rare enough as it is and if it wasnt for Ron one would be impossible to find.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 06:41 PM
 :yahoo_silent: pffffffft purists!
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: not johndub71 on September 14, 2012, 07:06 PM
keep it real, superglue and gaffer tape.
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 10:14 PM
keep it real, superglue and gaffer tape.

yeh man - now we are talking mid school  ;D

Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 10:26 PM
Dont modify the bashguard Ed, there rare enough as it is and if it wasnt for Ron one would be impossible to find.  :daumenhoch:

Fair point Rob... I will go with a clamp option I reckon ... plus it will be spot on if I get a Riot  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Munnyella on September 14, 2012, 10:32 PM
Don't worry Ed, Marky fix it....

clamps is easier, but not as handsome...

Gonna be a git though, due to that odd chainstay layout.

never mind.

MM
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 10:35 PM
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:


FFS Stu... thanks for the drama... ever thought of reading the news!  ;D 'butchering' FFS... its not a Kappy Trickstar!  8) its a 96/97 midschool tank that I'm having fun with... HAVING FUN WITH .... FUN ... it is still a concept allowed in here a believe  ;D

I got a cheap frame and some cheap parts and I'm doing what I want  :daumenhoch: give a fella a break!

And lastly... a 2 hip Big Boy IS a Riot with 'dropouts made that support the seat stays better' ... so I'm ticking all the boxes  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 14, 2012, 10:37 PM
Don't worry Ed, Marky fix it....

clamps is easier, but not as handsome...

Gonna be a git though, due to that odd chainstay layout.

never mind.

MM

the chain stay layout is very Zima if you ask me  8)

we can sort it Mark ... and lastly for any doubters ... Ron W. himself gave it the thumbs up and offered advice on how to make it work when I brought it off him...  :4_17_5: :smitten: I'm listening to Ron  :daumenhoch:  ;D
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Discostu on September 15, 2012, 08:22 AM
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:


FFS Stu... thanks for the drama... ever thought of reading the news!  ;D 'butchering' FFS... its not a Kappy Trickstar!  8) its a 96/97 midschool tank that I'm having fun with... HAVING FUN WITH .... FUN ... it is still a concept allowed in here a believe  ;D

I got a cheap frame and some cheap parts and I'm doing what I want  :daumenhoch: give a fella a break!

And lastly... a 2 hip Big Boy IS a Riot with 'dropouts made that support the seat stays better' ... so I'm ticking all the boxes  :daumenhoch:

I think you have convinced yourself it's a riot mate!!
But it isn't. I may be made by the same bloke and a similar shape. But it isn't a riot!!  What you are doing is shocking mate. Yes it maybe a 96/97 frame but it is still pretty rare. And yours is mint!!! If it was an old rider then that would be different.  But to do what your gonna do to a nos frame is absurd. I'm surprised no one else has piped up and told you your mad!
At least kappys mods were all brazed onto an old frame so they could be heated up and removed without any damage to the original frame. But your on about drilling holes in yours. Which quite frankly is bonkers!!!  :uglystupid2: :idiot2: :idiot2: :'( :-\

Ed209=butcher!!  :2funny: :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: griff on September 15, 2012, 08:52 AM
Should have a sweepstake

How many minutes will elapse between Ed drilling his frame and a Riot coming up for sale?

 >:D
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 15, 2012, 09:00 AM
FINISHED!

(http://www.montessori-activities.com/product_images/c/555/SmallStainlessSteelColander__16298_zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: pickle on September 15, 2012, 09:10 AM
Looks awesome!
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Discostu on September 15, 2012, 09:11 AM
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:


FFS Stu... thanks for the drama... ever thought of reading the news!  ;D 'butchering' FFS... its not a Kappy Trickstar!  8) its a 96/97 midschool tank that I'm having fun with... HAVING FUN WITH .... FUN ... it is still a concept allowed in here a believe  ;D

I got a cheap frame and some cheap parts and I'm doing what I want  :daumenhoch: give a fella a break!

And lastly... a 2 hip Big Boy IS a Riot with 'dropouts made that support the seat stays better' ... so I'm ticking all the boxes  :daumenhoch:

I think you have convinced yourself it's a riot mate!!
But it isn't. I may be made by the bloke and a similar shape. But it isn't a riot!!  What you are doing is shocking mate. Yes it maybe a 96/97 frame but it is still pretty rare. And yours is mint!!! If it was an old rider then that would be different.  But to do what your gonna do to a nos frame is absurd. I'm surprised no one else has piped up and told you your mad!
At least kappys mods were all brazed onto an old frame so they could be heated up and removed without any damage to the original frame. But your on about drilling holes in yours. Which quite frankly is bonkers!!!  :uglystupid2: :idiot2: :idiot2: :'( :-\

Ed209=butcher!!  :2funny: :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:

Stu... read the first post mate... I never asked for your opinions on IF I should do what I WANT to MY frame... ( which is why no one else is on a soap box ) but you are STILL advocating doing welding mods to an even rarer Riot frame  :uglystupid2: but I'm a Butcher for drilling a hole in my frame.. go figure.

It is a totally mint NOS frame ... but its MY TOTALLY MINT NOS FRAME... so wind ya neck in and let me play  :daumenhoch:

Wind my neck in???

This is a website forum mate. So we all have freedom of speech.
I think you may find others haven't said anything coz your a mod!
This is not only my opinion. There are several other members on rad that think your nuts as well!!
The difference with me is if I think what you are doing is wrong I will say. Coz I've got the bottle to do it!!!

The wal airlines dropouts on most of the frames are cracked anyway. So making different dropouts isn't going to affect it that much.

To be honest as a mod I think you shouldn't be replying in the manner you are. After all the mods on this site are very quick at jumping on threads and voicing their opinions. But when the shoe is on the other foot it's a different story.

If you want to be known as rads butcher then that's your affair.
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Discostu on September 15, 2012, 09:14 AM
Oh look your post has been removed!
What a surprise!!
Shame I got it in the quote in my post above.  :2funny: :daumenhoch:

Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 15, 2012, 09:44 AM
I deleted my own post as I realised that I had forgotton the golden rule ...

"Arguing on the internet is like running at the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

..but I'll let what I said stand seeing as you have brought it back...  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Discostu on September 15, 2012, 09:49 AM
Oh come on ed. your not gonna bite anymore!!  :'( :(

Butcher!!  :LolLolLolLol: :2funny:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 15, 2012, 10:09 AM
No Stu... I'm over rising to your comments...

You are trying to turn a light hearted thread into a 'them' and 'us' attack on me as a mod and I can't see the point... are you bored?

Anyone can say whatever they want to me, and I will say what I feel back ... mod or not... if I thought it was an issue I would resign now.

Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: oldschoolace on September 15, 2012, 10:47 AM
Hey Ed, i'm all for making mods, its what we did bitd so why shouldnt we now. I have had a fair bit of stick on here for a few mod ideas i have voiced but i still did them ( and they worked  ;) )

Getting your thread back on track, i think it would be worth getting a bashguard fabricated based on the one you have but with a rear end more suited to the frame. Whatever bracket you come up with is going to look untidy as the chainstay brace isn't square with the chainstays. I recon getting a custom bashguard fabricated wouldn't be that expensive and you could even adapt the mounting brackets to some form of neat clamp to save drilling the frame if that bothers you at all.

If it were me i would have the guard cradle the bb and have one clamp round the down tube and a pair of clamps round the chainstays  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Discostu on September 15, 2012, 11:20 AM
I'm gonna try and trace the whereabouts of my old wal riot frame for yer. So you don't have to fook this one up!!!  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Peter J on September 15, 2012, 11:24 AM
The bashy "plate" just needs a bit of fab work and re-powder to fit  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: pickle on September 15, 2012, 11:25 AM
Ed, just take an angle grinder and sledge hammer to all the parts and make them fit together nicely  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Discostu on September 15, 2012, 11:31 AM
Ed, just take an angle grinder and sledge hammer to all the parts and make them fit together

Noooooo!!! Please don't listen ed
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Bigfrawg on September 15, 2012, 02:24 PM
FFS , it's only a fookin bike ! He's not painting a d1ck and balls on the mona lisa or glueing a big Wang on michaelangelo's David !
Your bike , your choice I say .
Anyhoo , I'm just off Into the shed to grind a gen 1 up to make some Brillo pads as we have run out  :D
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Gary72 on September 18, 2012, 11:21 PM
Ed, Is the hole in the bash guard threaded? The one under the chain stays. I'm guessing not.
I can think of a couple of options. One is to use an expanding type bolt that will fit in the hole. Metal plate on top of the chain stay with bolt passing through. Clamps chain stays.
Or if the current plate on the bash guard with the hole in is not wide enough. You could just carefully grind that plate off make a new one that is wider and sits on the chain stays. But get a nut welded onto the new plate before it gets welded back to the bash guard with the nut inside the bash guard and have a plate and bolt from on top of the chain stay.
Or if the current bash guard plate is wide enough get a nut welded over the hole and same set up as above.
I really hope that makes some kind of sense to you.
Hope it's elegant enough for you.
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Gary72 on September 18, 2012, 11:29 PM
Something along these lines
http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/hardware/fixings/anchor_bolts/-specificproducttype-m8/Rawlplug-Rawlbolt-44374-M8-9281484'skuId=9291184
Or
http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/hardware/fixings/wall_plugs___screws/-specificproducttype-interset_fixings/Rawlplug-Interset-41605-M4-x-20-9281503'skuId=9291203
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: midschooljon on September 19, 2012, 08:32 AM
Ed, Is the hole in the bash guard threaded? The one under the chain stays. I'm guessing not.

Its threaded, and with a US thread as well which makes finding a bolt fun...  :D
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: dordymush on September 19, 2012, 09:53 AM
its an ugly fookin thing anyway. Who cares  :P
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: kev-s on September 19, 2012, 11:19 AM
personally i think your mad :LolLolLolLol:

hopefully you can do it so you dont have to drill/modify the frame and bashguard as they are quite rare and you know as soon as you have finished it a riot will come up for sale :2funny: :2funny:

at the end of the day it will never be a riot but its your choice


im just off to chop a inch out of my mk3 s&m holmes toptube and weld a platform on it, then ive got a rare s&m platform dirtbike :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: not johndub71 on September 19, 2012, 01:19 PM
Exhaust mounting brackets and clamps. Theres a wee thought, also, clamps for turbo boost pipes to intercoolers have to be well strong to hold mucho boost.

http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/290681277585?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=exhaust+clamps&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&sa=N&rls=en&biw=1331&bih=609&tbm=isch&tbnid=p_wXWot4Qvd4KM:&imgrefurl=http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a4-s4-forum-b5-chassis/87859-exhaust-clamps.html&docid=vnH33V5v3EvKiM&imgurl=http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g296/lee_goodall/ring_clamp2.jpg&w=600&h=478&ei=TLhZUMOFNOqw0QWEgIG4Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=117&vpy=298&dur=4377&hovh=200&hovw=252&tx=68&ty=180&sig=111654751831882753532&page=1&tbnh=133&tbnw=166&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:0,i:114
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 19, 2012, 09:07 PM
personally i think your mad :LolLolLolLol:

hopefully you can do it so you dont have to drill/modify the frame and bashguard as they are quite rare and you know as soon as you have finished it a riot will come up for sale :2funny: :2funny:

at the end of the day it will never be a riot but its your choice


im just off to chop a inch out of my mk3 s&m holmes toptube and weld a platform on it, then ive got a rare s&m platform dirtbike :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

do you want that lever blade Kev  :daumenhoch:

 ;D
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: kev-s on September 19, 2012, 09:56 PM
lol yes hence why i was so polite :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: Gary72 on September 20, 2012, 06:28 PM
Have you done this yet ED?
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: kev-s on September 20, 2012, 06:34 PM
watch out grammar police about :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
Post by: ED209 on September 21, 2012, 05:02 PM
my new name and avatar is getting this back on track ...  :daumenhoch:

Have built it as a Big Boy with no bashguard to see how it looks ...  8) pics 2 follow

look at that... all the bits for my bike in one ad  :-[ am having second thoughts on the drill

(http://2hip.com/images/history/ads/big/86.jpg)
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