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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Gnarlyscoots on October 02, 2012, 10:35 AM
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Allegedly being released this week for approx $1000 Frame and Fork.
Are you getting one??
http://www.harobikes.com/history/
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j406/Londonhellboy/Music%20and%20Vids/DomsPhone_001504_zps8702e03c.jpg)
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I asked the wife for one for Christmas & she told me to bugger off! :-[
I think Brett's getting one.
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I did hear about this... Its getting ridiculous. ::)
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Ruddy hell, nice but how much?
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I'm hoping to get one :daumenhoch:
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Speak to Phippsio guys. I think he is the man to deal with :daumenhoch:
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Come on lads, keep up. Dom's posted up loads on this as he was the PM on the job and he even posted up the website for us to watch when it went live to try and order one :daumenhoch:
Have a look in chat and you'll find this post:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=151802
I bottled out when I found out the price. My brother actually threatened me with GBH for pulling out of buying one as no doubt they will hit ebay and twice if not three times the value, but I don't have £700 plus import taxes to spnuk up the wall at the moment and i've just sold a load of my bikes to pay for stuff so could have easily argued the case with the boss :shocked:
My Knight RetroGoose cost half that and you can actually ride it FFS. What are you gonna do with one of these puppies - hang it on the wall no doubt? That's a criminal waste IMHO :-\
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I think Haro have given one to all of the original team riders. I thought that was a very nice touch.
I read that Lee Reynolds and Craig Campbell both got one. :daumenhoch:
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Spen, that's exactly what I intend to do with mine!!!
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Alex, is Sir Bob getting one then? Bearing in mind he's all over the Ikonix f&f due out any minute now :shocked:
Marty - ride it or hang it on the wall fella ???
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Would rather get a carbon fibre frame that works for that price. Rip off gits. :yahoo_silent:
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It is nice but my first thought is that if you turned up on one of these people would think its a 09 Freestyler at first glance? ???
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I know he has Spen. Just highlighting the fact it's due for release this week. If I can get one for £700, then I will definately have one and, ride it I will :daumenhoch: I would love to build it with NOS parts too :smitten:
I would even consider selling my Torker for the parts to go it :-\ Er..Okay. I wouldn't :LolLolLolLol:
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Guys check it out...
http://www.vitalbmx.com/photos/features/Haro-20Dinner,43604/Slideshow,0/kylecarlson,363
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The story... Shalemess I know :2funny:
http://www.harobikes.com/history/interview.php
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Nice one Dom, thanks bro. Where can I get my hands on one these framesets ;)
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they look cool and top work Dom :daumenhoch:
Robbo, they look nothing like those horrible 09 things! ;) can't imagine buying one though, crap to ride and a lot of dosh to spend on a dust collector ;D
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Marty - ride it or hang it on the wall fella ???
Both if I can >:D
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Seems like theres enough activity to whet peoples appetite but STILL no sign of the mysterious ""mailing list"".....
I want one of these, do have the cash and am rapidly giving up hope.
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Mayeb a stupid question, cause i aint in to Haro bikes. But cant you buy a og one for that price ?
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Mayeb a stupid question, cause i aint in to Haro bikes. But cant you buy a og one for that price ?
not a stupid question at all. and yes you can usually. 700 quid +. postage, then you have import duty plus vat(btw) on the lot at 20%
if you're not into haro then it will never make sense, but then its not meant for you so i wouldnt worry about it.
a lot of money for a repop, but a collectors item for the haro lover.
its where this hobby is at right now.
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As J.T says Dan, it's all about Haro and being a big fan of Haro and what it done for BMX in general. You can probably pick up a frameset for the same price yes.
Look at this way though. This is alledgedly made to the same specification as the old ones. It has never been ridden, it's not weathered and not fatigued. It's mint, in the box and never had a part fitted to it.
For me, if it is built to the exact spec, I would want one of these. The chances of picking up a low serial'd genuine one is like Devilock actually putting one of his bikes in BOTM ::) , not going to happen. So to me, this a better option.
;)
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Devilock actually putting one of his bikes in BOTM ::) , not going to happen.
;)
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Thanks for explaining guys :daumenhoch:
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I've got my name down so fingers crossed ,
and yes Spen it'll hang on the wall :daumenhoch:
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Ive got a Gen 1, had one BITD and vibrating with excitement about these. Defo want one, and yes you do need to be a HARO person to understand it, but KAP, how have you got your name on one yet?
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No doubt collectors will be falling over each other to get one, but i think it's way overpriced :idiot2:
S&M re issued the mk1 Holmes in 09 and the frame/fork kits were about £350 (even less in the states) and you got a free seat post ;D
So the price is just a cash in, unless the box is really special :LolLolLolLol:
And they're dogs plop to ride anyway (the gen 1 not S&M)
I'm not knocking the project at all, hat's off to Dom :daumenhoch:
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Making a twin top tube 100% cromoly frameset in the Us in a custom box with a DVD of the manufacturing process is no picnicwhen it comes to costs, its a collectors piece, hence 300 and not 3000.
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Making a twin top tube 100% cromoly frameset in the Us in a custom box with a DVD of the manufacturing process is no picnicwhen it comes to costs, its a collectors piece, hence 300 and not 3000.
well said dom :daumenhoch:
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The 09 Holmes re issues were also 100% cro mo US (santa ana) made framesets and were made identical to a 1990 Holmes
$429 for yellow or $469 for chrome
They were limited to just 200 framesets
Like i said i'm not knocking the project at all just finding it hard to see $1000 worth :-\
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Ive got a Gen 1, had one BITD and vibrating with excitement about these. Defo want one, and yes you do need to be a HARO person to understand it, but KAP, how have you got your name on one yet?
hes pmd every single person on the museum , and called Bob up personally . :LolLolLolLol:
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The 09 Holmes re issues were also 100% cro mo US (santa ana) made framesets and were made identical to a 1990 Holmes
$429 for yellow or $469 for chrome
They were limited to just 200 framesets
Like i said i'm not knocking the project at all just finding it hard to see $1000 worth :-\
thanks for mot knocking it! Mr Moeller has all of the tooling and an established us manufacturing source. That's a big advantage.
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Think i've missed summat ere, don't Haro already build bikes?
My only knock on it was the price ;)
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Mr Moeller charged what it actually cost plus his normal margin, same as any other frameset they sell/have sold, he didn't put a premium on it, Haro clearly have.
I couldn't possibly knock the frame as it is iconic and it is awesome and certainly collectable, it just aint a grand.
A custom made bicycle frame wouldn't cost a grand, with or without tooling.
It is awesome though :)
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Yeah, but they don't make them in the good ole u s of a ya numpty....... Which was the whole point of the project.....
Taiwan isn't it I believe ???
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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OK, now they are £700 too much :2funny:
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Mr Moeller charged what it actually cost plus his normal margin, same as any other frameset they sell/have sold, he didn't put a premium on it, Haro clearly have.
I couldn't possibly knock the frame as it is iconic and it is awesome and certainly collectable, it just aint a grand.
A custom made bicycle frame wouldn't cost a grand, with or without tooling.
It is awesome though :)
You have no idea what you are talking about. Do some research on the costs of producing this product to the same spec in the USA and then pitch in.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Do some research on the costs of producing this product to the same spec in the USA and then pitch in.
You're right, what the fook do I know about frame making.
No one is knocking the product grumpy knickers, I said its awesome.
Hope you get your commission
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Very nice but lets be honest, its cashing-in on the growing popularity of OS.
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Very nice but lets be honest, its cashing-in on the growing popularity of OS.
Yawn.....
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Very nice but lets be honest, its cashing-in on the growing popularity of OS.
Yawn.....
Opinions are banned
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Dom,what sort of tooling was needed for the frame and forks ???
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Ok, I have done some research into having a custom bmx frame made in the USA-using hi tech tubing and post weld heat treating...and its about £500 landed from several different suppliers, I get to choose the geometry.
so why is this frame so expensive then? a technical, in depth explaination covering the manufacturing process would be a good start
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so why is this frame so expensive then?
4 letters.
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Ok, I have done some research into having a custom bmx frame made in the USA-using hi tech tubing and post weld heat treating...and its about £500 landed from several different suppliers, I get to choose the geometry.
so why is this frame so expensive then? a technical, in depth explaination covering the manufacturing process would be a good start
I think you've awnsered your own Question ???
$995 dollars is only £614 pounds.
You have already found out it cost £500 to do just the frame. Then there's the decals, to sort out, box to make and design, dvd costs website design, advertising and all the other costs involved to get the project to the public.
Think this would just about cover your £114 pounds :)
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Personally I think the price is about right and what i expected it t be, isn't just a frame and forks, it's a collectors boxed and presented properly package, if you're not a lover, fkn great, more chance for me to get one.
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Ok, I have done some research into having a custom bmx frame made in the USA-using hi tech tubing and post weld heat treating...and its about £500 landed from several different suppliers, I get to choose the geometry.
so why is this frame so expensive then? a technical, in depth explaination covering the manufacturing process would be a good start
it isnt massively more expensive though is it? its $1000 works out to approx £625
for the extra £ you are getting a proper thought about exact replica of one of the most iconic bmx's ever
with a truly excusive 300 issues. pretty rare in my book as they will be going across the globe
i know that dom had bob work on the decals and no stone has been left uncovered with the thought and process involved in the production of these anniversary framesets
i think that they are great. the fact that all the team riders from back in the day also own one makes owning one a little more special
not to mention the nice touches of the case it comes in, with the drawing and footage of it being made
these are collectors items and not to be confused with custom made framesets imo as a custom does not carry the desirability that the haro does ( again imo each to our own etc )
will i be getting one? alas no as i have an 80's one and could not justify/cant afford one to just look at and admire
would i like one
HELL YES
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Yep you're right, its perfectly reasonable. My mistake
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Brummie hit the nail in the head. It is something SPECIAL. Someone who knows and has no interest in BMX (like myself lol) would take one look at this and like it. It can be built to ride or put on a wall. The dilemma would be if you couldnt own two for this reason, or even three (with a spare to put in the attic to sell on in a decade)......
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Yep, Dave is bang on and they are perfectly reasonable if you want something special.
Just didn't have the cash and by the time you get Jimmy Saville'd by customs that's getting on for an £800 ornament..... And that would take my missus over the edge. :knuppel2: :-\
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S&M re issued the mk1 Holmes in 09 and the frame/fork kits were about £350 (even less in the states) and you got a free seat post
Now Im wishing Id got one of the Mk1 Holmes re-issues. :-[
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I like to dress up as a Panda & take my missus over the edge.
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I was never into freestyle when I was a kid so Haro's not my thing, however I can appreciate the Iconic value this F&F represents but not the monitory :-\
Everyone has to make a profit, its what makes the world go round :daumenhoch: But granted not very fast at the moment :'(
If I was into Haro I think I'd rather spend a few extra quid and get the 80's version :4_17_5:
I understand that numbers of these F&F are limited but there’s always someone willing to sell :coolsmiley:
At the end of the day everyone is entitled to an opinion and people should be able to take the rough with the smooth :-*
I like most 100% buy into the concept of brand loyalty cars, clothes, bikes, food :smitten: but I don’t see this as the case here :'(
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I was never into freestyle when I was a kid so Haro's not my thing, however I can appreciate the Iconic value this F&F represents but not the monitory :-\
Everyone has to make a profit, its what makes the world go round :daumenhoch: But granted not very fast at the moment :'(
If I was into Haro I think I'd rather spend a few extra quid and get the 80's version :4_17_5:
I understand that numbers of these F&F are limited but there’s always someone willing to sell :coolsmiley:
At the end of the day everyone is entitled to an opinion and people should be able to take the rough with the smooth :-*
I like most 100% buy into the concept of brand loyalty cars, clothes, bikes, food :smitten: but I don’t see this as the case here :'(
Watch what you're saying Pete, its a Haro...! ;D
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lol :angel:
People say the same about SE and Bob use to ride for them :daumenhoch:
There just bike brands at the end of the day :daumenhoch:
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personally I think Haro could have sold these for more, they'd have all gone even at $1500. They are about the same price as the cosmic chrome CW'S and they flew out. !. buy one now and it'll be worth how much in 5 years ?....if SE made a limited run of the str prototype and sold them for 2000 they'd be gone in a flash and i'd be all over one.
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if SE made a limited run of the str prototype and sold them for 2000 they'd be gone in a flash and i'd be all over one.
:daumenhoch:
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personally I think Haro could have sold these for more, they'd have all gone even at $1500. They are about the same price as the cosmic chrome CW'S and they flew out. !. buy one now and it'll be worth how much in 5 years ?....if SE made a limited run of the str prototype and sold them for 2000 they'd be gone in a flash and i'd be all over one.
Just the one Ash.... :D
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A panda eh Rich? :knuppel2: :knuppel2:
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S&M re issued the mk1 Holmes in 09 and the frame/fork kits were about £350 (even less in the states) and you got a free seat post
Now Im wishing Id got one of the Mk1 Holmes re-issues. :-[
Me too Alex, i thought they were expensive at the time ;D
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personally I think Haro could have sold these for more, they'd have all gone even at $1500. They are about the same price as the cosmic chrome CW'S and they flew out. !. buy one now and it'll be worth how much in 5 years ?....if SE made a limited run of the str prototype and sold them for 2000 they'd be gone in a flash and i'd be all over one.
Just the one Ash.... :D
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Just hope if they ever do make them they're not valued the same as Jeff's :'( :'(
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A panda eh Rich? :knuppel2: :knuppel2:
:LolLolLolLol:
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that actually looks decent,
I quite like it.
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that actually looks decent,
I quite like it.
:shocked:
You've chaged, Joe, you've changed - you gave one of my favourite posts on this forum in response to a 2009 retro Haro Freestyler. Still makes me wince how cutting it was :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=135786.0
Welcome back mate :daumenhoch:
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that actually looks decent,
I quite like it.
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You've chaged, Joe, you've changed - you gave one of my favourite posts on this forum in response to a 2009 retro Haro Freestyler. Still makes me wince how cutting it was :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=135786.0
Welcome back mate :daumenhoch:
welcome,
apparently they ride better if you use a hacksaw and cut the headtube off, its a quick and easy mod :daumenhoch:
And you'd be happy to offer your services :LolLolLolLol:
i'd hang it on the wall,,,,best place for it :LolLolLolLol:
ok, for the "be nice" squad i'll make an attempt to be positive....
mate,matey,bro,etc,
long time ago a man called bob started a bmx company and all was rad, he sold the company,lock stock the whiole fooking lot kit and caboodle to a large corporate organization and all was a little less rad,
after a time the bmx riders realised that the owners of the said corporation were not interested in bmx at all and just wanted porsches and cocaine and patek phillipe watches,
the bmx riders stopped buying the corporate bmx bikes,
haro and its shareholders fell on hard times,
there wasnt a line to be had and the petty cash wouldnt even stretch to a hand shandy,
some corporate bright spark noticed that the now "old" bmxers that used to buy there bikes and grown old and fat and most importantly rather rich,
and he noticed they had a fondness for trying to buy back there youth,
so mr corporate bright spark digs up old bobs designs and had some stickers made,
he then set out to "design" a new frame that looked just like old bobs,
whilst sipping his mocha skinny latte he made a list of priorities, first the frame had to be cheap,then it had to be weak and lastly it had to be as heavy as possible,
he made a few calls and recieved a catalogue of generic frames and picked one,
then he had another latte,
in his corporate fook witted-ness b-spark-boy had failed to notice that although the "old bmxers" were fat and old and rich......they werent completely stupid,
mr corp-bright-spark soon got the sack from his corporate un-bmx loving coke charged bosses,
a few years later and after all mr brightsparks old bob bikes have been sold on, and sold on, and sold on,
and now youre here, and everyone is sugar coating the truth for you.
if you want a new bike that looks like old bobs,
build it yourself, we'll gladly help you.
:daumenhoch:
But pretty much bang on I would say :LolLolLolLol:
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Hahaha. Proof that DSD Rules. Both from the positive comments on the "good" repro frame just come out, and from the "truth" about bad attempts that have happened before. :daumenhoch:
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Hahaha. Proof that DSD Rules. Both from the positive comments on the "good" repro frame just come out, and from the "truth" about bad attempts that have happened before. :daumenhoch:
"I’m a bit ashamed to say that Haro had little to do with the success of the 2009 Demo and all of the exposure that it received. It was a bit of a wake up call albeit a slow one for the company. We completely underestimated size and importance of the collector market as well as the undercurrent of love for this brand, and its creator Bob Haro"
I got shot to fooking pieces for slagging those first versions off mate,
but honestly, if c@nt's like me hadn't spent time kicking them up the arse for under valuing what they had would this decent one ever have been made?
would they have realized quite how large,loyal and demanding their target market was?
can someone answer that?
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"darksunday, when we started this repro before you ripped the arse out of us and it stung because we we thought we were doing the right thing,
and even though you got a bit "pointy" with the truth we had to listen and we scrapped that abortive project until the corporates at HARDO were smart enough to cotton on to how lucrative and high profile a history project like this could be for the company profit margins,
so, even though you're a mouthy c@nt sometimes what you inadvertently did was prevent us from making a complete fook up the first time,
this time the cash pot for the project was bigger, so we've made another attempt at it and followed your harsh as fook words, we've made the frame high quality and a fitting replica of the original, we've put in the time and effort this time to pay tribute to what is a bmx legend,
we even managed enough cash to pay bob to turn up and handle it for the bmx media at a bash were all the fat noo-noos got pissed up and even fatter,
you weren't invited though because even though you're smarter than us,
you're still a no-one"
hi Dom,
no probs mate,
I just say what I see,
some folk listen,
some folk don't.
thats the way of the world,
nice frame there btw, well done :daumenhoch:
you fat c@nts.
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;D
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thats a pretty deafening silence eh? :LolLolLolLol:
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;D ;D ;D
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Pukka Dom well done, btw I asked VW why there golf is so expensive, they told me to Fook off
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I think Dom deserves a bit of credit getting the Gen 1 re mastered regardless of cost, is £600 a big ask in today's world, when folks pay £400 - £500 for a used ripper?
I think there has been a fair amount of work that has gone into research for not only the frame and forks but for the DVD that comes with it, as well as the display box, and of course the production of the frame itself. And yes I'm sure there is some profit in it, but it's not gunna be sold at cost or at a loss either.
I'm sure the package will be awesome, full of past memories and events, that surely us 'old schoolers' will appreciate.
Like the aged old saying, if ya don't like it, don't buy it, nobody's forcing you, if its not your cup of tea, then fair cup.
As said, credit to you Dom, I have had the pleasure of seeing the frame and I personally love it, along with listening to the two years of planning and research
:daumenhoch:
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Just sat and read the thread start to finish.
A very cool project. One to be proud of by the looks of it. As for the price - it doesn't seem dear at all for what it is as a package.
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My thoughts are the price is reasonable and yes I would buy one :daumenhoch:
The frame and forks has been brought out to celebrate 30 years of the Gen 1 Freestyler and not for Haro to make a load of cash from it or the amount of frame/forks would be alot greater.
Respect to Dom for his input into the project. :4_17_5: :daumenhoch:
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Looking forward to getting mine Dom :daumenhoch:
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Looking forward to getting mine Dom :daumenhoch:
What colour are you painting it before you sell it? ;D
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Has anyone had an email confirmation yet from the mailing list?
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Still waiting.
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Still waiting .
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Nope :(
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Can I make a sensible suggestion, rather than turn this into a 14 page thread of 'no ain't herd nowt', that you email the company / person responsible for the 'mailing list', rather than Rad, who have nothing to do with said list.
You may even get a reply if you ask the correct person
:daumenhoch:
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Looking forward to getting mine Dom :daumenhoch:
What colour are you painting it before you sell it? ;D
Black of course! :LolLolLolLol:
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I have to say that it looks a great thing , not something that I would want as it is a Haro ;D but hats off to you mate it must of been hard work to get them to do it properly and it shows that your opinion was listened too
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Can I make a sensible suggestion, rather than turn this into a 14 page thread of 'no ain't herd nowt', that you email the company / person responsible for the 'mailing list', rather than Rad, who have nothing to do with said list.
You may even get a reply if you ask the correct person
:daumenhoch:
Grump!
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Response from Haro Bikes..
We’re finalizing the details now, but the short version is that you can register to be a part of our mailing list, which will announce when the frames are available for purchase. Go to https://www.harobikes.com/history/ and look for the registration link. Getting on the mailing list doesn’t guarantee you will get one, but it does guarantee you’ll know when they’re available. Expect to pay roughly $1,000 and any tax/shipping expenses.
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Hmmmmm