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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Retro Rider on December 11, 2012, 07:00 AM
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Hi
Ok, here's your scenario.
If you had the chance for a nice early bike from the 70's, what would you go for.
A nice survivor with a few non OG but period correct parts.
Or a fully restored bike costing more $$$ but losing its DNA a little from repaint etc.
Any input appreciated.
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No brainer for me, survivor for sure :daumenhoch:
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Fully restored back to former glory. :daumenhoch:
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(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30500000/Survivor-band-survivor-band-30521363-475-319.png)
failing that, laiden with over polished , over priced parts that no one ever saw when they were a kid and mostly weren't from the same era as the bike :)
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mint and era correct for me!
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I wouldn't buy anything crud like some of the mix and match stuff out there.
Both choices would be era correct, and then be changed to year correct stuff as and when parts became available.
It's more about the choice between spending money and time on something to still look old or to be brought back to factory freshness.
I've always loved the used original vintage look, but I must admit a few minters have turned my head in recent times.
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The 80's are done to death so it's a 70's challenge for me this one. Don't get too hung up on the parts as you will only end up changing them as time goes on but be warned, if you thought it was tricky finding the eighties stuff, just try finding the seventies gear...... Look on old racers as that is where the exotic stuff came from.
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I honestly don't think ,currently stateside,correct year parts are mega hard to find.
I'm looking at starting my motomag collection and only the 75 parts and indeed bikes are rare and hard to get.
'76 harder but not possible , and then '77 onwards quite readily available.
I suppose if your looking at things from a uk only point of view to source parts, then it's quite a different story.
Shipping from abroad is steep due to the weight of these bad boys, but in my eyes that's not all bad.
Makes them even more a special and rare commodity over here in the uk.
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Yep. Have a look in me and my bikes - i've got all my early Geese from over the pond. Had one or two..... :2funny:
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for me it depends how fooked it is.
if it is totally knackered then bring it back to its former glory with all new parts.
But if it looks like its been well loved and in good condition then leave it as is.
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Vintage Mongoose parts are probably the easiest of the vintage parts to locate in all fairness as so much of it was made. Things like grips, tyres and seats all in mint condition are always the hardest to find as those parts got trashed.
When you start looking for the highly desirable vintage parts thats when your problems start, lets say for example a mint set of Tuff fork..they're out there but you'll pay huge $$ if you can make the owner sell them. :yahoo_silent:
Anyway for me it has to be a really nice survivor, it's too easy to strip them and re powder etc just because it has a few scratches or whatever. Yet once that's been done it's another survivor lost.
Spen's right though and like I've said before, 70's is where it's at now 8)
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for me it depends how fooked it is.
if it is totally knackered then bring it back to its former glory with all new parts.
But if it looks like its been well loved and in good condition then leave it as is.
That's well put and makes total sense.
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Anyway for me it has to be a really nice survivor, it's too easy to strip them and re powder etc just because it has a few scratches or whatever. Yet once that's been done it's another survivor lost.
Spen's right though and like I've said before, 70's is where it's at now 8)
Agreed again.
It can only be original once.
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after doing a couple of full resto's Im now on with a survivor build. im a bit disheartened with it as you put so much work into it & it'll never have the bling factor of a restored bike...
still, gonna stick with it & see how it ends up....
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after doing a couple of full resto's Im now on with a survivor build. im a bit disheartened with it as you put so much work into it & it'll never have the bling factor of a restored bike...
still, gonna stick with it & see how it ends up....
Trust me stick with it,its worth it.
I'm heavily into my 70's classic cars and as kungfunky stated, how many bikes will be around that are in original form in the future.
Buy a car/bike fully restored without a mark on it and its just an expensive picture to look at with the fear of spoiling it.
Get something with lovely patina and you can ride and enjoy it.
Same with cars, and anything else vintage really.
'Old is gold.....'
(Hope so, cause I'm not getting any younger !!)
Well it looks like all these excellent replies have pushed me in the direction I want to go.
GET TWO ,I'LL DO BOTH LOL.
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as said only resto it if you must or are doing something specific . there is such thing as over resto and becomes a bit vulgar !
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If they're done with care & love (!) then both can look mighty fine...
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If they're done with care & love (!) then both can look mighty fine...
that's me fooked then ;D
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if its a good condition survivor then keep it as is a few battle scar's tell a story
If its trashed then restore her to her former glory :daumenhoch:
Same applies for a woman I suppose :-\
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if its a good condition survivor then keep it as is a few battle scar's tell a story
If its trashed then restore her to her former glory :daumenhoch:
Same applies for a woman I suppose :-\
And how would one restore a woman...?
I have not, as yet, been able to resurrect any of my women...
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Restore not resurrect
That comes under the heading necrophilia :angel:
What I'm taking about is fake boobies and a "lift and tuck" :daumenhoch:
Bit like a fresh powdercoat and some NOS parts :daumenhoch:
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survivor as bored of show bike as no history behind them as all lost as no scars
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survivor as bored of show bike as no history behind them as all lost as no scars
Scars could have been caused recently...
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survivor as bored of show bike as no history behind them as all lost as no scars
Scars could have been caused recently...
But how many proper 'show' bikes are rider bikes? Not many I'd reckon. Only scars they'll get is in transit to be shown etc.
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survivor as bored of show bike as no history behind them as all lost as no scars
Scars could have been caused recently...
But how many proper 'show' bikes are rider bikes? Not many I'd reckon. Only scars they'll get is in transit to be shown etc.
I mean scars on survivors...
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Survivor builds for me at the mo. Sooooooo much cheaper if you want to change/buy a few used parts and ya can thrash em about with no worries................... :daumenhoch: These 2 are a lot rougher in the flesh than they look on the pics..........
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ii49/Paz68/DSCF4874.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ii49/Paz68/DSCF4005.jpg)
Now wearing worn out blue/green label Comp 3's and a Zeronine plate.
Having said all that, I've one show build left in me. ;)
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survivor as bored of show bike as no history behind them as all lost as no scars
Scars could have been caused recently...
But how many proper 'show' bikes are rider bikes? Not many I'd reckon. Only scars they'll get is in transit to be shown etc.
I mean scars on survivors...
If you're still riding it, then it's still part of it's history innit? Remove that history by stripping etc and it's a fresh canvas, not a survivor anymopre so a moot point :)
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survivor as bored of show bike as no history behind them as all lost as no scars
Scars could have been caused recently...
But how many proper 'show' bikes are rider bikes? Not many I'd reckon. Only scars they'll get is in transit to be shown etc.
I mean scars on survivors...
If you're still riding it, then it's still part of it's history innit? Remove that history by stripping etc and it's a fresh canvas, not a survivor anymopre so a moot point :)
You know what I mean ya bumbaclart...!!
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I do like Mint restored bikes with NOS parts on for show.
.......but saying that a nice survivor bike stripped down and cleaned and all parts refitted it still very cool :coolsmiley: I've done this a few times now.
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I lke em all survivor or mint :smitten: 70;s 80's 90's 00's
Got to be era correct ,for it to be truly respectable :coolsmiley:
Otherwise you're just being lazy and settling for second best :-\
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Could'nt agree more Christian, nothing worse than seeing non era correct parts especially on "show" builds.
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What are peoples 'leeway limits' with era correct...?
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What are peoples 'leeway limits' with era correct...?
A week here or there is deemed acceptable by me.
I'm not as fussy as some others!!
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What are peoples 'leeway limits' with era correct...?
A week here or there is deemed acceptable by me.
I'm not as fussy as some others!!
:LolLolLolLol:
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At the risk of being :2gunsfiring_v1:
Personally speaking I absolutely love seeing the show bikes............ but..........I need to use my posessions Bike's, Classic Cars, whatever, for me having a show bike would be a magnificent waste, I would ride it in the rain, mud or worse ;)
90% of my bikes are survivors they all have battle scars and history and I love them more for that, I can bring myself to eliminate the Nostalgia surrounded in those bruises and marks,that said if there knackered I dont buy them, I ve even rubbed re-pop decals to take the new edge off them in the past :idiot2:
My bikes are not big budget builds or exactly Era correct,yes I look at carefully at the parts and buy the best I can afford at the time, I dont recall as a lad having the big bling I see on some bikes, if I went for red grips or a red seat, I would come out of ALANS with blue or black stuff instead.... :LolLolLolLol:
My main passion are the frame sets, as long as I have the frames that mean something to me and my History in riding and racing bmx thats me Happy...all about Nostalgia for me
Happy days, there to enjoy what ever you prefer :smitten:
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For me, I don't put any parts on a bike older than the frame set. A couple of years before would be ok but not later IMO :daumenhoch:
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i like to see a survivor with the old school bikes.
both my keeper bikes are rusty ole heaps but i love em :smitten:
done the mint show bike thing with just bolting nos parts on in the past but does nothing for me now :-\.
the 70's bikes dont really bother me neither tbh.
i was riding a chopper or a racer with a set of cow horn bars on around that time.
never seen a bmx till early 80's.
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For me, I don't put any parts on a bike older than the frame set. A couple of years before would be ok but not later IMO :daumenhoch:
I must be a weirdo, it would niggle the shit out of me if a decent early bike had the main organs (crank, forks etc) from another year.
Even if it was just a year out.
But on a 80's bike, I'd be fine with it.
Not sure why?
Maybe it's because I see the real early vintage 70's as collectables and the bikes I actually rode as a kid, more for fun.
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survivor as bored of show bike as no history behind them as all lost as no scars
Scars could have been caused recently...
you can tell a original compare to a new show bike ie scars as have one here that was repainted and has marks but look new ,i love original bikes and would love to find more original trickstars as only have 2 in original colours but sadly nearly every trickstar i see has been repainted ,some i understand as paint gone or repainted in wrong colours .
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For me, I don't put any parts on a bike older than the frame set. A couple of years before would be ok but not later IMO :daumenhoch:
Really ????? Bitd it was all about moving forward, a new part came out and you had to have it, can't remember thinking I must get a 2year old part and put it on my new frame
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i used to be the same. Anything new or better was bought and off went the old.
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I honestly don't think ,currently stateside,correct year parts are mega hard to find.
think your wrong there dude, i could write a list of parts and frames that probably dont exist anymore.... ive been looking for particular GT and DYNO stuff for the last 5 yrs and still cant find them in the u.s, took me 2 years to find a gt seat with removable bash guards :( hopefully il find the parts and frame im still on the hunt for by the time im 90 :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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At the risk of being :2gunsfiring_v1:
Personally speaking I absolutely love seeing the show bikes............ but..........I need to use my posessions Bike's, Classic Cars, whatever, for me having a show bike would be a magnificent waste, I would ride it in the rain, mud or worse ;)
90% of my bikes are survivors they all have battle scars and history and I love them more for that, I can bring myself to eliminate the Nostalgia surrounded in those bruises and marks,that said if there knackered I dont buy them, I ve even rubbed re-pop decals to take the new edge off them in the past :idiot2:
My bikes are not big budget builds or exactly Era correct,yes I look at carefully at the parts and buy the best I can afford at the time, I dont recall as a lad having the big bling I see on some bikes, if I went for red grips or a red seat, I would come out of ALANS with blue or black stuff instead.... :LolLolLolLol:
My main passion are the frame sets, as long as I have the frames that mean something to me and my History in riding and racing bmx thats me Happy...all about Nostalgia for me
Happy days, there to enjoy what ever you prefer :smitten:
quality post !! :4_17_5:
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after doing a couple of full resto's Im now on with a survivor build. im a bit disheartened with it as you put so much work into it & it'll never have the bling factor of a restored bike...
still, gonna stick with it & see how it ends up....
I used a mix of nos and good survivor parts when building these two up from survivor frame and forks. The end results, in my opinion, were exactly what i wanted in a bike that looked the part and was rideable. :D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r57/leemadz/bikes/nat_14117679.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/leemadz2/eaaa1f66.jpg)
;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r57/leemadz/fa2d1fc4.jpg)
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:LolLolLolLol: :police: