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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Funkyworm on June 18, 2013, 08:40 PM
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Discuss ???
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It's taken from the MK show n shine cards that have been used for the past 4 years i believe.
everyone has their own thoughts on when one ends and another begins, but i believe these were lifted from the US somewhere by stodgy a long time ago.
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dont worry Cal ,they'd stopped making Rickmans by then :)
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dont worry Cal ,they'd stopped making Rickmans by then :)
Hehe i was more worried about all my 87 freestylers :daumenhoch: Just interested thats all as I would have never classed an 87 or 88 as mid school. for me it's would be more when 1 1/8 headsets came in second generation gyro's & alike really ...
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1990 will always be mid school in my eyes :yahoo_silent:
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I thought it was 1990-2000
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like i said, just taken from the MK show n shine tags
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I thought it was 1990-2000
that's how I've always seen it too.
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And so it begins! :LolLolLolLol:
Heh-heh.......
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just to stir the pot then,whats my 89 freeagent limo ?
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89 free agent limo is old/mid school....,we need another category :LolLolLolLol:
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it's easier to think of them as decades but it's not. i'd go with the a-head =mid argument.
but my confusion comes with new school... if it's 2000 on, when will New become Old and what is the New New gonna be called when New is Old :crazy2:
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surely everything after 1987 should be classed as new school... ::)
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stodgy needs a kick in the nuts then as half my s&m bikes are classed as new school now :crazy2:
90 to 2000 in my eyes too.
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For me also 1990 till arround 2000 :-\
1990 thats only 23 years old... look new to me ;)
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I decided the years, anybody really want to fooking argue with me? :2gunsfiring_v1:
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yeah i'll have go with ya >:D
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yeah i'll have go with ya >:D
No fooking problemo, resident gypsie vs resident pikie bring it on :LolLolLolLol:
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for me the last year of old school was 86 after that bmx died a death.that summer of 86 everybody was still mad for it,we spent all summer long out on our bikes but by the time we'd gone back to school after the summer jollies bmx just didn't feel the same anymore.by chirstmas that year it seemed all my mates we looking to get mountain bikes,by summer of 87 everybody had got rid of their bmx's altogether and those that still had them had no interest in the'buzz' that was bmx in previous years.ive seen quite a few peeps here and across the pond that have the exact same opinion in this,that bmx died at the end of 86. ???
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In all seriousness as Rob said it is the same dates we have used for the S&S categories at MK since we began this site.
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Wouldn't it be Easter to just call the section "mid school"
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No it would be easier to leave it as it is ;D
But seriously, without dates people get confused.......the dates are the ones used for MK sns for the last 6 years
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Easier to stop moaning about it to be honest, you may think I am grumpy but honestly we (admin) have so many more important things to be working on at the moment than worrying or even thinking about a stupid date.
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Where's that "like" button :daumenhoch:
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88-97 :D
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i know its only a date but it means me not taking 3 of my later 90's bikes now to mk as i never knew you put this daft date on the mid school section s & s :-\.
they deffo not going in no new school section thats for sure :10_2_12:
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Old school is 1" headset and caliper brakes, as soon as they started to put brake lugs on frames then that must be mid school, and the first frames that had brake lugs was around 1987, so that's how it is :daumenhoch:
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Old school is 1" headset and caliper brakes.
Thats basically every mid school race bike up to 94. :LolLolLolLol:
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I just jumped over the atlantic to have a look at what vintage and society say midschool started.
Radbmx 1987 onwards.
Vintage 1987 onwards.
Society 1988 onwards.
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Old school is 1" headset and caliper brakes.
Thats basically every mid school race bike up to 94. :LolLolLolLol:
Exactly
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Old school is 1" headset and caliper brakes.
Thats basically every mid school race bike up to 94. :LolLolLolLol:
That`s not to say that every bike after that is mid school, just that`s when they started :daumenhoch:
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Old school is 1" headset and caliper brakes.
Thats basically every mid school race bike up to 94. :LolLolLolLol:
That`s not to say that every bike after that is mid school, just that`s when they started :daumenhoch:
All of my 87's have 1" & callipers ( you see this shit is keeping me awake ) ;)
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'89+ mid
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Guys it will be staying 87 start for midschool in line with our American and Australian cousins.
I can and my change the end date to later if you want, but not the start.
So if you want the end date changed then discuss.
If you want to discuss the start date, do it via pm as I will ignore or delete the post.
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From nearly 4 years ago now
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b339/robertbransby/20130620_083150_zps6e92c0c8.jpg)
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mid school end - 2011 ;)
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Would say the end date 2000 :daumenhoch:
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Would say the end date 2000 :daumenhoch:
I agree Neil, otherwise my one and only mid school would be new school.... And I don't like the sound of that :LolLolLolLol:
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I would say the start of knee saver bars and bash guards with indicate this.
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i shall say no more on the subject then as the boss men have spoke.
i'll keep my "mid school" builds for only me :coolsmiley:
from wikipedia
Generally speaking the "Old School" generation is from 1969, the very beginning of BMX to 1987 or 1988, during the first major slump in the popularity of BMX racing and the height of popularity of Old School Freestyling. "Mid School" is generally considered to be from 1988 to 1999, which includes the first slump in Freestyle BMX in 1988-89 and the resurgence of BMX racing beginning in 1990 and it really taking off again in 1993. "New/Current School" or today's BMX is considered to be from 2000 to the present day with the emphasis on Dirt Jumping contest and streetstyle and deemphasis on racing. With the racers, it will not be perfect demarcations. Some Old Schoolers raced well into the Mid School era of the 1990s,
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i shall say no more on the subject then as the boss men have spoke.
i'll keep my "mid school" builds for only me :coolsmiley:
from wikipedia
Generally speaking the "Old School" generation is from 1969, the very beginning of BMX to 1987 or 1988, during the first major slump in the popularity of BMX racing and the height of popularity of Old School Freestyling. "Mid School" is generally considered to be from 1988 to 1999, which includes the first slump in Freestyle BMX in 1988-89 and the resurgence of BMX racing beginning in 1990 and it really taking off again in 1993. "New/Current School" or today's BMX is considered to be from 2000 to the present day with the emphasis on Dirt Jumping contest and streetstyle and deemphasis on racing. With the racers, it will not be perfect demarcations. Some Old Schoolers raced well into the Mid School era of the 1990s,
I don't get it Dave, what exactly do you want us to do?
I have said I don't mind changing the end year, but even your quote says 1988 for midschool, where we and vintagebmx use 1987. Does one year make a difference?
As for the end date, choose a bloody year between you and I will change the date on the board it is that easy.
Somebody make a thread with a poll attached, take a vote then tell me.
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get your votes in :daumenhoch:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,163638.0.html
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get your votes in :daumenhoch:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,163638.0.html
Thanks Rob, and please guys once this has been decided stfu about mid school dates as I am bored with them :daumenhoch:
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bmx died at the end of 86.
Mat Hoffman didn't think so :)
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bmx died at the end of 86.
Mat Hoffman didn't think so :)
Indeed. Matt reinvented BMX.
Legend.
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so what era will bmx's be classed in the year 2048? ???
surely 'new school' cannot last 50 years... :D
maybe 'mid school' will stretch out a bit as time goes on...
one things for sure though 'old school' definately started to fizzle out after 1985 for about a year, i never heard the word BMX after 1986 till about 2006...
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i never heard the word BMX after 1986 till about 2006...
Thats cos you were in clown school
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i've never quit bmx since i started in 81 and for me old school means up till 89-90. frame designs never changed drastically untill about this time when then bashguard bikes started coming out and drop outs started getting thicker.
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Old school to me ends at 89, that's when sponsors dropped out and bikes changed even more so, 87-88 still to me I consider old school as not much changed during 86-88, the riders changed but not the bikes as much
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When Freeagent introduced the Pro xl every thing changed. The blue print for all modern frames. 21" top tube 74 deg head angle... 1986. Re stickered by the pros, copied by many.
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gotta ask yourself when did 'old school' END, then you have your answer, surely mid school would have started straight after unless there was a void.
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gotta ask yourself when did 'old school' END, then you have your answer, surely mid school would have started straight after unless there was a void.
As I quoted earlier in the thread us, vintage and society all use roughly the same date 87 or 88, so that is what we will keep.
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I'm No School. :)
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I'm big school.
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I'm big school.
You're Jurassic School :daumenhoch:
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I'm big school.
I'm special school :uglystupid2:
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I need to go back to school!
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i never went to school :crazy2:
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Where's that "like" button :daumenhoch:
Its next to the BAN one ;D
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..............anyway, whats a looptail then ;D
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A NOS looptail ???
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(http://newsantaana.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/School-of-Rock.jpg)
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When Freeagent introduced the Pro xl every thing changed. The blue print for all modern frames. 21" top tube 74 deg head angle... 1986. Re stickered by the pros, copied by many.
:daumenhoch:
Gives me an excuse for a pic :D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/26-5-13007_zps48a422ac.jpg) (http://s101.photobucket.com/user/markw33/media/26-5-13007_zps48a422ac.jpg.html)
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for me the last year of old school was 86 after that bmx died a death.that summer of 86 everybody was still mad for it,we spent all summer long out on our bikes but by the time we'd gone back to school after the summer jollies bmx just didn't feel the same anymore.by chirstmas that year it seemed all my mates we looking to get mountain bikes,by summer of 87 everybody had got rid of their bmx's altogether and those that still had them had no interest in the'buzz' that was bmx in previous years.ive seen quite a few peeps here and across the pond that have the exact same opinion in this,that bmx died at the end of 86. ???
This rings true for me too, accept i left school in 86 and started boozing early. Even though i only swapped my DB in 87 i'd pretty much done riding it and swiftly moved on to my first car.
I still consider mid school from 90 on wards, and as for new school goes you can stuck them up your ar5e :LolLolLolLol:
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by 1988 i was screaming around army traing areas in germany in a tank so had pretty much lost contact with what was happening on the scene, but prior to that the bikes pretty much were as they had been for the previous few years so i would group them together as old school. my 91 gt is still inch headset and caliper bracks but is longer and has a better head angle as does my 89 assassin so thease i would class as a new generation of bike. so i would agree with the 88ish date for midschool for these reasons.
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for me the last year of old school was 86 after that bmx died a death.that summer of 86 everybody was still mad for it,we spent all summer long out on our bikes but by the time we'd gone back to school after the summer jollies bmx just didn't feel the same anymore.by chirstmas that year it seemed all my mates we looking to get mountain bikes,by summer of 87 everybody had got rid of their bmx's altogether and those that still had them had no interest in the'buzz' that was bmx in previous years.ive seen quite a few peeps here and across the pond that have the exact same opinion in this,that bmx died at the end of 86. ???
This rings true for me too, accept i left school in 86 and started boozing early. Even though i only swapped my DB in 87 i'd pretty much done riding it and swiftly moved on to my first car.
I still consider mid school from 90 on wards, and as for new school goes you can stuck them up your ar5e :LolLolLolLol:
'Left School' .. thats a new one :daumenhoch:
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still dont get how people think when mid school started :-\ i still say 90 for GT maybe different for other companies
day-glow pink 1987
white 1988
blue 1989
there all the same apart from the decals
1990 geometry and frame changed but the signiture s bend stayed till 94
(http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n477/stevencosta/IMG_3823_zps4ae75f92.jpg) (http://s339.photobucket.com/user/stevencosta/media/IMG_3823_zps4ae75f92.jpg.html)
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still dont get how people think when mid school started :-\ i still say 90 for GT maybe different for other companies
day-glow pink 1987
white 1988
blue 1989
there all the same apart from the decals
1990 geometry and frame changed but the signiture s bend stayed till 94
(http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n477/stevencosta/IMG_3823_zps4ae75f92.jpg) (http://s339.photobucket.com/user/stevencosta/media/IMG_3823_zps4ae75f92.jpg.html)
Let it go Steven the dates on pretty much every oldschool site says 1987/8.
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the end!
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Steve.....on that note you should just sell me that cheapy pink midschool GT in the pic :LolLolLolLol:
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Mid School started in the 90's imho.
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And it's back😂😂😂😂😂😂
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89/90 for me
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89 - 94 for me
Then everything after that is classed as a boat anchor ;D ;D ;D
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Mid for me started to creep in as soon as riders beefed up their bikes to accommodate the new demands of "Street" riding circa 89, but was in full swing by 93/94.
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86/87 is right to me I'd so old school is pre 86 and is my cut off for builds (always has been) anything from when bash guards , lugs on brakes n rotors came out is mid school (to me)
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Lugs on brakes isn't mid school at all to me, they had them on the Diamond Back Strike Zone in 86.
87,88 bikes were all the same tech as previous bikes.
I think the change started around/after Bashguards when "Street" came in.
87/88 bikes are still old school to me especially how they are all designed a year in advance.
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For what its worth (not a lot) 87 is about right as being the start of mid school imo.
Why do I say this...?
I think everyone will agree the ass fell out of BMX as we knew it around 86/87 therefore it brought on new ideas, designs and gizmos to try and bring it back as being as cool as it was!
Therefore...
This new way of looking at BMX was a new era... therefore MIDSCHOOL as we now know it was born.
That's how I see it and I'm never wrong... ever!! Cheers Ta. all the best. :daumenhoch:
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in a word....YOU alll did.
Stidds did a poll for it ages ago and what is set now was decided by a diplomatic vote from our members.
:daumenhoch:
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Freestyle was at it's peak in 87-88 if anything the sponsors were gone in 89 which spawned a new direction.
If you're talking about BMX racing I can understand an earlier timeline as Freestyle came into it's own in 84.
But as far as freestyle goes for me 80 to 88 was old school, just look at pictures of RL Osborn's glossy appearance, he had all the sponsors up until 89 then switched and became raw street/Flatland/rider owned shortly after.
Bully Bashguards 1990 etc
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Actually it was two threads.
Stidds did a 10 page thread asking for what people thought, this was then boiled down to either decades or the dates we settled on from the thread in a vote.
Ed set up the vote and what we have is what we have.
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,171969.0.html
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This subject always rears it's head but we need dates for the show n shine, we understand there is a cross over period for some bikes but that's all fine.
It's all sorted when people register their bikes for Show n Shine :daumenhoch:
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I hear you on needing era dates for the Show and shine, but personally I think they are flawed as the Freestyle dates seem to be a little BMX race centric.
Case in point: if Old school Freestyle is 83-86, how can Mid School Freestyle be from 87-2000+??
It's confusing and not accurate from a flatland riders perspective.
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I hear you but it won't be changing, sorry but it's been done to death.
What works for one doesn't for another.
Sorry :daumenhoch:
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Thats fair enough, just acknowledging the error in the Freestyle timeline, after all we're supposed to be the historians. fistblump
This article seems about right to me.
RL being dropped by his sponsors and riding his old school Redline in the dark days of 89, before he started his own company like many others at that time.
http://www.23mag.com/gens/osbornrl.htm
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Think our dates tie in with The Bmx Society's dates and they're not just anal about dates... they're anal about everything. :LolLolLolLol:
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Again Race centric.
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Again Race centric.
Either way it is what it is and no matter how many times it gets brought up it ain't changing. ??? Do enjoy this debate though... it always upsets some fooker and this time it's you. :LolLolLolLol:
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Lol nah never upset mate, too busy riding!
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Lol nah never upset mate, too busy riding!
:daumenhoch:
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Don't let it stop you bringing your bikes though Trev, even if they have to go in the 'wrong' category
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Lol
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My zeronine is 87 and I'm saying old school. Or I've definitely got to sell it😩
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My zeronine is 87 and I'm saying old school. Or I've definitely got to sell it😩
Hey John if your 09 is 87 then it's so Mid School :LolLolLolLol:
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For me very back end of 1986 into 1987 is probably mid school that's when things started to change well in Freestyle anyway.
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Questions:
When did Freestyle start?
If DMC was at the top of his flatland game in 87/88, does that make him Mid School?
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My zeronine is 87 and I'm saying old school. Or I've definitely got to sell it😩
Hey John if your 09 is 87 then it's so Mid School :LolLolLolLol:
you want that bike bad you evil person 😂😂😂
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My zeronine is 87 and I'm saying old school. Or I've definitely got to sell it😩
Hey John if your 09 is 87 then it's so Mid School :LolLolLolLol:
you want that bike bad you evil person 😂😂😂
Not me John I'm old school all the way :slayer:
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;)
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who gives a fu*k school :slayer:
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who gives a fu*k school :slayer:
That's the school right there! :slayer: