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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: oldschoolace on August 01, 2013, 09:44 PM
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Was over at a friends workshop today discussing a project i'm helping her with a week on saturday. She is a plastics expert and i'm always pissing around with her heatpress and other machinery trying odball things she rarely gets time to try. I got talking about the potential of pressing some plastic parts ;) and asked her if she had much in the way of white plastic.
She specialises in recycled stuff and after showing me a huge bag of shredded 50 pound notes from the royal mint she will be embedding in clear acrylic :shocked:
she showed me she stock of white stuff which wasn't alot and derived from fridge door liners.
Noting i didn't look too interested she said "you could always dye some other stuff white"
Well as you can imagine, this got my attention and as a favour to me she said she would order some stuff and i could pick it up on the sturday i'm working with her :daumenhoch:
I'm fookin well excited. I dont have a great deal of info as yet but apparently most plastics as well as wood and fabric can be dyed with this stuff so keep your eye on this thread over the next few weeks as i will be doing some trials with mags, seats and owt else i can find :4_17_5:
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...lol (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v521/fischflo/bth_sharepopcorn_vwfish.gif)
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Ooo this sounds like a breakthrough
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Is she FIT..?
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;D sorry Lee, a lass who knows her way round heavy machinery with a hot body is asking a bit much. I dare say some of you lot would be all over here but she is just a mate to me :angel:
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(http://cdn.lolhappens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Condescending%20Wonka-1349490749.jpg)
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mmmmm if this stuff works, that poor seagull Will have given it's life to further the science of whitening old bmx tat for nothing :'(
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This sounds awesome! Cant wait for the experimentation! You watch there will he a mass influx of white builds in tye not too distant future lol
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Richard, there is always more than one way to skin a rabbit (or poison a seagull it would appear)
:LolLolLolLol:
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Pictures please. :LolLolLolLol:
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I hope this doesn't work !!
As I have just committed the ultimate sin.............and sprayed a (previously bleached) knackered white 80's Kashi with white plasticote :idiot2:
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Quick update. I'm calling in to my friends place tomorrow afternoon to go over a few things for the weekend. She has got the dye so if i get chance tomorrow night i will get the experimental ball rolling :daumenhoch:
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its nigh impossible to get white tuffs white
she's winding you up,
is she called Polyuracunt :LolLolLolLol:
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Quick update. I'm calling in to my friends place tomorrow afternoon to go over a few things for the weekend. She has got the dye so if i get chance tomorrow night i will get the experimental ball rolling :daumenhoch:
TO DRY BERM HER !! ;D
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Going to do a yellow plastic seat first then a black Raleigh mag. They need cleaning thoroughly first before i can use the dye so the seat is an easier option to begin with :daumenhoch:
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Well here are the initial results. Quite impressed so far. Should be interesting to see how the black mag comes out. :daumenhoch:
Not the best light in my back yard this evening but you get the idea :)
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010884_zpsdf4444a4.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010884_zpsdf4444a4.jpg.html)
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010887_zps51b2dcd2.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010887_zps51b2dcd2.jpg.html)
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010890_zps92472b0a.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010890_zps92472b0a.jpg.html)
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bloody hell clint that looks great, id imagine it'd be even better in decent light........
anything die at all ???
was just thinking,how does it compare to rit/dylon finish & i presume it's available in a multitude of colours. .....
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That's ace Clint - would be interesting to see how far the dye penetrates the placcy :daumenhoch:
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VERY NICE - I LIKE
(http://www.haz.de/var/storage/images/haz/nachrichten/kultur/uebersicht/borat-mit-waltz-und-dicaprio-im-neuen-tarantino-western/15580572-1-ger-DE/Borat-mit-Waltz-und-DiCaprio-im-neuen-Tarantino-Western_pdaArticleWide.jpg)
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:shocked: ........ :( ........... magic ? :laugh: .... fookin unbelievable, i can't believe it; i mean the colour is throughout the plastic, how can that be, i can not believe it :4_17_5: ... or is it brittle like hell now..? ;D
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looks great :daumenhoch:,whats the name of this dye you've used ?
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What i am surprised at is it covered the quite heavy staining you can see on the original seat. It all looks even :D
I'm not sure on the colour range but it may be possible to over dye the white? :-\
I wont post a how to just yet, i want to make sure the stuff has actually took well and give it a bit of abuse with keys, sandpaper etc :daumenhoch:
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... oh , its a dye, thought it was bleached :crazy2: .... looks well cool anyway - lets see what it can take :daumenhoch:
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Sorry Richard no deaths as yet... early days though :LolLolLolLol:
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That is frickin awesome Clint! Well done with that mate! Top results so far...
Very interested to find out how it pans out with abuse :daumenhoch:
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apologies to Poly, thats quite impressive :daumenhoch:
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Impatience got the better of me and although i should leave it 24 hours i couldn't help but piss around with it. Just gave it a good scrub with my house key, all it did was leave a metalic residue from the key :daumenhoch:
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010891_zpsf2c7aa39.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010891_zpsf2c7aa39.jpg.html)
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seems ok then ???
give it a wipe off with something harsh & chemically that'll test it :daumenhoch:
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More updates :)
Not had chance to try any serious chemicals on it yet but i have just beat the hell out of the seat, bent the side (logo) sections as far back as i could, tried a newly cut yale key, hit it with a hammer and smacked it against the door frame of the shed..... the result.... a rather sorry looking but nether the less still white seat :4_17_5:
It took a metalwork file to final make an impression and that was through filing half a millimetre or so of the seat away :shocked:
This stuff seems to be the nuts :daumenhoch:
Now the bad new.... i cant be arsed to spend most of the night cleaning and preping the black raleigh mag so that will have to wait til another day.
:LolLolLolLol:
However, in the interest of experimentation i decided to give this a go :daumenhoch:
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010893_zpsade0f4ed.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010893_zpsade0f4ed.jpg.html)
More pics coming soon :)
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Sounds like it's a winner then clint,if it's withstood that abuse a bit of light riding or sitting on a show bike ain't gonna do it no harm.
Just remember to buy it all up before you tell us what it is ;D
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Great results, can't wit to see why it does to a more pliable surface
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...and not a single seagull dyed... ::)
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Just been down the bottom of the garden...... thats where i launched the grip after it fell of the nail i had it hanging on while i dyed it. Fooking thing covered in grit and crap
:LolLolLolLol:
Anyways all is not lost as the flange escaped the worse of it so i'm using that as my test area :daumenhoch:
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I bet Michael Jackson wishes he'd had this sh1t :D
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Right been for a potter in the shed and it looks like grips/rubber is a no go for this stuff :buck2:
(should have read the directions closer) :LolLolLolLol:
If anyone else wants a crack here is what you do :daumenhoch:
First of all the part to be dyes must be REALLY clean. Use a kitchen cleaner that states it will remove grease and scrub it with a foamy scourer type thing. cillit bang is reccomended by the manufacturers
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010882_zpseb901c1e.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010882_zpseb901c1e.jpg.html)
The dye comes in spray form and a few super light coats are needed to get things going. Make sure whatever you are dying is bone dry.
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010885_zpsfedf8690.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010885_zpsfedf8690.jpg.html)
The dye dries in around 10 mins and another coat can be added then.
DO NOT be tempted to touch your lovely bmx part before the dye dries.
It works by slightly "melting" the surface layer of the plastic allowing the colour to take and "soak in " slightly. If you touch it you run the risk of leaving an imprint in the plastic.
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010886_zpsb3d693c4.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010886_zpsb3d693c4.jpg.html)
Once you have a good foundation you can apply one or two slightly heavier coats until the desired finished is achieved. These coats still need to be sparing, too much will cause the initial coats to bubble.
If you have done everything right you should get from something like this....
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010884_zpsdf4444a4.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010884_zpsdf4444a4.jpg.html)
...to this
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010887_zps51b2dcd2.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010887_zps51b2dcd2.jpg.html)
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/P1010890_zps92472b0a.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/P1010890_zps92472b0a.jpg.html)
I have done quite a bit of research since i got the dye and it seems if the instructions are followed to the letter really good results can be achieved. In one article i found a guy had dyed a load of lego pieces and the dye took really well, even on the sharp edges and corners :daumenhoch:
The brand i used was
http://www.vhtpaint.com/products/vinyldye/
But i also found this company
http://www.vinyldye.co.uk/Brillo%20Vinyl%20Spray%20Dye%20White
My next step is to see if i can overdye the white as the colour palette is rather limited.
The dye i used finished semi satin, sort of a natural mag wheel finish but it can be buffed for a glossy finish :daumenhoch:
This stuff certainly performed better than i expected on the seat and took plenty of abuse once it had cured. Its perfect for carpet queen and pub cruisers.
As soon as i get chance to dye a wheel i will bung up some pics and see how well it holds up to brake rub :daumenhoch:
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Top bombing that :4_17_5:
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That's some pretty out there resto work :daumenhoch:
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I looked at the spray dye stuff, I've a mate that does dash/interior repairs & he uses it.
Reckoned it wouldn't do the nylon stuff,obviously it will :daumenhoch:
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Seriously cool results there Clint!! :daumenhoch:
Its definitely given people an alternative option now :)
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You reckon a big or little can for a pair of wheels clint ???
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Deffo a big can :daumenhoch: Nowt worse than feeling that you may run out 3/4 of the way through a job.
The small cans are only the size on a can of lynx.
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The 400ml vht can i used is on the bay i have noticed :daumenhoch:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VHT-VINYL-DYE-WHITE-SATIN-SP943-/271207560975?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item3f253af70f
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Bug can of brillo black is 16 quid, I did look on ebay & couldn't find any >:(
I'll try again :D
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If you are going to have a go Richard be aware that they come in gloss and satin. Also if you plan on doing some mags be super sure to clean and degrase them thoroughly, especially round the axels. Be patient with the application too :daumenhoch:
Oh and dont forget the pics :LolLolLolLol:
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Vht do anodizing paint too !!! Loads of colours 8)
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Yeah just clocked the dyes on the caswell site :daumenhoch:
http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/Paints_Coatings/vht_specialty_coatings.htm
And their anno stuff
http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/Paints_Coatings/duplicolor_metalcast_anodized_co.htm
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Yeah just clocked the dyes on the caswell site :daumenhoch:
http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/Paints_Coatings/vht_specialty_coatings.htm
And their anno stuff
http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/Paints_Coatings/duplicolor_metalcast_anodized_co.htm
cor you're good with links clint :-*
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on ebay
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/USAutomotive-Ltd_VHT-Paint-Coatings/_i.html?clk_rvr_id=508639305883&_fsub=1550403015&_sid=206207715&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
:daumenhoch:
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Better get all the parts you need soon ...........
......before all this "NOS".... "tested on seagulls" stuff hits the streets :LolLolLolLol:
watch the price of VHT rocket , when you add BMX to the ebay title!
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Better get all the parts you need soon ...........
......before all this "NOS".... "tested on seagulls" stuff hits the streets :LolLolLolLol:
watch the price of VHT rocket , when you add BMX to the ebay title!
Not a 'truer' word spoken :D
I would like to see it tried on a Kashi with the original side stampings and see what, if anything, it does to the lettering :)
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Just come across this thread and thought I would offer this up, We use stuff called Ritt dye on motorcross and enduro plastics, you can get it off eblag. You need a big tub and fill it with boiling water add the powder dye and then submerse the part you want to dye in it and leave it for 24 hours. after that take it out wash it down and heypresto job done. It stands up to the abuse of motorcross and enduro and it seems to penatrate all the way through the plastics. Im sure there are some videos on you tube
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I tried the spray today as the Dylon dye was a bit patchy ... happy with the results...
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Pegjay/Bmx/C7A30E20-58B7-44E8-8212-4C31A16274D4.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/Pegjay/media/Bmx/C7A30E20-58B7-44E8-8212-4C31A16274D4.jpg.html)
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Pegjay/Bmx/608DDFBD-34A0-4208-9356-F904E7290AB6.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/Pegjay/media/Bmx/608DDFBD-34A0-4208-9356-F904E7290AB6.jpg.html)
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Great result, will the colour come off onto your Chino's?
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Looks fookin ace that bud, and not shiney either ;)
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Bloody good that Jaime
Gonna have to get some myself & see what I can fook up :whistle:
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Great result, will the colour come off onto your Chino's?
I'm not ruining my chinos for a seat :D
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Looks fookin ace that bud, and not shiney either ;)
Yeah I was quite surprised especially as it's gloss. I was very light with the coats, that spray can run easily.
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Few more pics in better light , you can see where he paint has covered some
Of the definition (sides) and a bit of paint run(last pic).
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Pegjay/Bmx/68E63C9F-5DA0-43FE-BBB0-51940A6D7990.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/Pegjay/media/Bmx/68E63C9F-5DA0-43FE-BBB0-51940A6D7990.jpg.html)
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Pegjay/Bmx/4BD157D1-1038-40D6-BB74-15FD718C9FE7.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/Pegjay/media/Bmx/4BD157D1-1038-40D6-BB74-15FD718C9FE7.jpg.html)
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Pegjay/Bmx/EF80D361-6478-4B19-A875-0BE92F326867.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/Pegjay/media/Bmx/EF80D361-6478-4B19-A875-0BE92F326867.jpg.html)
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Pegjay/Bmx/32C46B5F-0426-44A4-AE7A-0523E410848D.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/Pegjay/media/Bmx/32C46B5F-0426-44A4-AE7A-0523E410848D.jpg.html)