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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: ED209 on August 03, 2013, 07:09 AM
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So having scooped a pair of PeriPeri hubs for £19.99 on ebay I'm finally ready to try and build a set of WAL style twisted spoke wheels.
Only pics I can find are here... but anyone got any tips? so you start with a regular 48 spoke build then twist the last spoke in? anyone ever built any?
(http://2hip.com/images/history/products/big/cat-1993.3.jpg)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk245/pissoff1/IMG_7021.jpg)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk245/pissoff1/IMG_7019.jpg)
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No, they look horrible :-\
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Of course I have built those wheels Ed, they are actually called 'snowflake' pattern lacing.
The first problem you will encounter is spoke sizing, you need longer spokes than normal as you have to take the twist into account.
They are also not advisable on the rear wheel as they are nowhere near as strong as 'normal' lacing.
The twist is done by hand, cross two spokes and twist them around each other, but go careful not to have that twist too close to the nipple as this can fracture the spoke at the nipple.
They are quite difficult to tension as the twist stops the tensioning process.
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No, they look horrible :-\
F-cough Roberrt :daumenhoch: go polish a Streetbeat
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Of course I have built those wheels Ed, they are actually called 'snowflake' pattern lacing.
The first problem you will encounter is spoke sizing, you need longer spokes than normal as you have to take the twist into account.
They are also not advisable on the rear wheel as they are nowhere near as strong as 'normal' lacing.
The twist is done by hand, cross two spokes and twist them around each other, but go careful not to have that twist too close to the nipple as this can fracture the spoke at the nipple.
They are quite difficult to tension as the twist stops the tensioning process.
you are really getting me stoked on building these Sean :daumenhoch: :D
how much longer do you think the spokes need to be? 10mm? 20mm?
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Ed, there are various online guides as well as the resident expert stidds.
I sold a wheel last MK with twisted spokes. I like the look of them. I have heard they can be noisy when riding as the spokes rub. Mine had what looked like grease at the twist point.
Also heard of people cable tieing the joint or soldering them.
There are some interesting patterns out there.
Harris(Dan) might be able to help you too.
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Cant wait too see these built! And will be interesting to know the spoke length too! Any more decals where they came from Ed? :daumenhoch:
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Some good info on here Edmund, the concensus is that the spokes need to be 2mm longer per twist.
Have a read
http://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/spoke-length-twist-lacing-605441.html
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yeah there easy to do ed-done a couple of sets myself,ignore everbody i have always liked the look of them 8)
rode my 36 h 7x's for years with no probs -only had 1 spoke snap,theres pice of them on my red big daddy ,pm me if you need any more pics :daumenhoch:
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i,ve built a set before, i built them the normal way first leaving the spokes loose then went round the wheel removing 2 nipples at a time and twisting them then replace the nipples, i never bothered using longer spokes either and it still worked. i think they look cool but if you snap 1 spoke then you effectively lose 2.
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ive done this to a set of super pros back in the early 90's
all i did was loosen of all the spokes a few turns then i undid one spoke a wrapped it around the spoke it crossed :daumenhoch:
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Ed , nightmare pal, Stidds is right on with his advice they're a real fooker to get tensioned up , and as G72 says they're noisy , ping like fook all the time, see the above
i built some twisted wheels, bit90's ;D took some time to get em settled, had to keep re truing em , eventually they were ok , thing is if they fail they do so properly n taco yer rim , spitting ya over the bars to a very nice face plant :LolLolLolLol: , not putting ya off or owt :daumenhoch: they do look good though :daumenhoch:
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anybody seen the double twisted spoke ones on the 'bay ^"^
was going to say i remember seeing a pic of jeese p riding with a set of these -will see if i can find the pic
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I like the idea of building them normal then doing the twist :daumenhoch:
They will only get rolled around on ... not ridden in anger :angel: but I'd love to get as close to an original set of WAL Riot wheels as I can.
Will post uo a pic of the rims / hubs in a bit ... Gav... I got all the decals from Ron. LMK if you are going to get some as I need some more... the rear hub ones don't fit! too small for the hub... and the rim ones didn't fit properly either :buck2: which is maybe why they never got used BITD ::)
but they went on near enough ...
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Ed.....
Holla at me dude.....im ready :daumenhoch:
:4_17_5:
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Some good info on here Edmund, the concensus is that the spokes need to be 2mm longer per twist.
Have a read
http://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/spoke-length-twist-lacing-605441.html
cheers Si ... will check that out :daumenhoch:
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Hubs and rims ready ...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p526x296/1185307_10153199153485599_187100818_n.jpg)
spokes on the way from J.T. :daumenhoch:
managed to get some 189mm spokes which may be a bit long as the normal build length would be 184 ... we'll see :)
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Looking forward to seeing these when done
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Yep really looking forward to these!
Ed....if the spokes are to long youre gonna have to go for the double twist lol
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Yep really looking forward to these!
Ed....if the spokes are to long youre gonna have to go for the double twist lol
Mr Stidds says you can just grind the tops off :daumenhoch: so its 'half twist' 8)
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As long as the threads on the spokes are cut long enough then you will get away with grinding them.
I wouldnt personally go for that option though if I could help it mate, itl make fir a right pig when initially taking up the slack in the spokes, be prepared for some sore fingers with your spoke wrench he he.
But nevertheless.....cant wait to see them dude :)
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As long as the threads on the spokes are cut long enough then you will get away with grinding them.
I wouldnt personally go for that option though if I could help it mate, itl make fir a right pig when initially taking up the slack in the spokes, be prepared for some sore fingers with your spoke wrench he he.
But nevertheless.....cant wait to see them dude :)
will do one then see how it goes :)
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Christ Ed, are these still not done?????
get your thumb from your ass and build them...., stop making cards, stop walking dogs, stop feeding kids, BMX is priority!!!
its not like you drink or owt!!
MM
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Christ Ed, are these still not done?????
get your thumb from your ass and build them...., stop making cards, stop walking dogs, stop feeding kids, BMX is priority!!!
its not like you drink or owt!!
MM
oh... recovered from storming off in a mardy at the Boardroom have we ;D
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Just tired and hungry Ed, and needed my nappy changing!!!
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Just tired and hungry Ed, and needed my nappy changing!!!
you only had to ask 8)
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I got a wheel like that at my mums - might not be the same twist pattern - but will get a picture up soon ;)
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first go at the twisted build :)
First go at some twisted spoke WAL wheels
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1234218_10153237032080599_1321301290_n.jpg)
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looking good ed, 8)
were the spokes you used the right length ?
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looking good ed, 8)
were the spokes you used the right length ?
I used 189s Gary ... should have been 184s for a normal build... I think they might be too long but I'll find out when I true it up ... not doing the other till I'm satisfied :)
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Looking sweet Ed! :4_17_5:
Interested to see how you get on with the spoke length, are you gonna start at the valve hole and do single turns on each nip to start with?
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No, they look horrible :-\
ha-ha...
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:daumenhoch:
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They look cool Ed (in a '90's way) :daumenhoch: Cyclesport did Me some wheels like that way back when, I didn't have them long but I'm sure that the spokes came loose a lot & they made funny noises!