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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Gashead on September 06, 2013, 08:17 AM
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I'm lucky enough to have a couple of NOS frame sets and forks, however some don't have a headset in.
I have always deemed that if you put a bottom bracket in, then it's game over, but where do us 'collectors' / 'show & shiners' stand with sticking a headset in, does that then lower values or change the appeal of an untouched item.
I remember some frame and forks, Curtis for example came with a beartrap headset fitted.
Yes yes, I know their there for riding, but what's your thoughts folks.......
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I'm of the opinion that as soon as any part is fitted its game over
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NOS to me is in totally new in the wrapper .box.bag . If applicable .as soon as the item is un packaged . then it can only be called new unused old stock . However something with shelfware fading is often NOS but in poorer condition than something nuos.
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I would say Nick, that if the frameset comes to you from the manufacturer with a headset fitted at the factory, then it can be called NOS.
If YOU fit a headset to a previously NOS frameset then it becomes New Unused Old Stock (NUOS ;) )
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Agreed Sean :daumenhoch: is it NUOS? or NBF? (used) ;)
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I hear you folks.......
I think what I'm saying is, should I want to display the items, either at MK or in my loft lol, do I fit a headset so the bloody things don't fall over - or leave as is !
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with you Nick they'll fall over anyway ;D
but personally for display i like to have a nice headset installed, just sets the frame set off :daumenhoch:
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I'm of the opinion that as soon as any part is fitted its game over
This is my thought 2 b honest . I have had 2 do it ::) but if u want 2 display it or build it hey ho. I have one the same and can't make my mind up either :tumbleweed:
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My 2 pence worth
At the end of the day they are 30+ year old frames and really only good for a wobble around on certainly not up to modern riding
If its NOS then leave it as NOS, as a NOS frame/Part has as much aesthetic appeal as a complete build :daumenhoch:
I admire anyone who has the patience and dedication to build a bike, however there are loads of "UN-NOS" parts and frames out there to use :daumenhoch:
I have a few NOS parts that will never get built (not that I do build) I much prefer to see parts than complete builds as it reminds me of when I'd go on a Saturday to J.E James (LBS) and look at all the cool parts in the glass display case and occasionally afford to buy :smitten:
I collect old fishing tackle as well and I'd never dream of using any of that :idiot2: same applies for old BMX ;)
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I fit a headset to stop the forks rattling around in the headtube and reduce the likely hood of damage.
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I fit a headset to stop the forks rattling around in the headtube and reduce the likely hood of damage.
Yep, that's my thoughts, but as Peter says, does that take away the aesthetic principle
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Cheaper than headsets and don't leave any marks ;)
http://www.cw-racing.com/collections/accessories/products/frame-savers
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As above once fitted except from factory it's not NOS
But if you display the frame set can't you get some thin pipe insulation around the fork steer tube then wedge into the frame. This way nothing will get scratched or damaged, it will be a tight secure fit but also look as if built.
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Good Idea Kalex :4_17_5:
and cheaper that the CW option :daumenhoch:
and I'm all for saving money :smitten:
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Nick you could use pipe lagging in the head tube it'd keep the f£f stable and you wouldn't lose any of the nosness :daumenhoch:
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Cheaper than headsets and don't leave any marks ;)
http://www.cw-racing.com/collections/accessories/products/frame-savers
:daumenhoch:
I promise you after postage it will be cheaper to buy a headset from Biagio.
Juan doesn't do postage cheaply.
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I promise you after postage it will be cheaper to buy a headset from Biagio.
Juan doesn't do postage cheaply.
True ;)
Looks like pipe foam option is the winner :daumenhoch:
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:LolLolLolLol:
I didn't see Kalexs post :daumenhoch:
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I've only ever owned 2 NOS frame and fork sets and I've built them both :-[
But I love them :LolLolLolLol:
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Just had a think on this and here's my solution Nickers :nuts:
Buy a tange road bike headset that looks old school but has smaller diameter cups that drop in the headset . Cut a thin piece of card the height of the head tube . Put inside headtube and push the cups inside the card . Crown race just use a dremel to grind away the inside so it drops on the forks with no force fitting. Then screw it all together . Nothing is force fitted so it all remains NOS :daumenhoch:
What u recon :surprise:
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Not only pipe insulation. But bubble wrap could be wrapped around then duct tape around that to get just the correct size.
As long as its soft material anything can be used the tape around. Quick and easy thats the way to go
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just sling em back in the loft Nick and forget about em ;D
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Just had a think on this and here's my solution Nickers :nuts:
Buy a tange road bike headset that looks old school but has smaller diameter cups that drop in the headset . Cut a thin piece of card the height of the head tube . Put inside headtube and push the cups inside the card . Crown race just use a dremel to grind away the inside so it drops on the forks with no force fitting. Then screw it all together . Nothing is force fitted so it all remains NOS :daumenhoch:
What u recon :surprise:
Genius Steve, top of the class, that man. :4_17_5:
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Just had a think on this and here's my solution Nickers :nuts:
Buy a tange road bike headset that looks old school but has smaller diameter cups that drop in the headset . Cut a thin piece of card the height of the head tube . Put inside headtube and push the cups inside the card . Crown race just use a dremel to grind away the inside so it drops on the forks with no force fitting. Then screw it all together . Nothing is force fitted so it all remains NOS :daumenhoch:
What u recon :surprise:
only issue i can see with this is that you will still have to screw the top race and lock nut on the forks thus possibly marking them and making them non nos.......
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Just had a think on this and here's my solution Nickers :nuts:
Buy a tange road bike headset that looks old school but has smaller diameter cups that drop in the headset . Cut a thin piece of card the height of the head tube . Put inside headtube and push the cups inside the card . Crown race just use a dremel to grind away the inside so it drops on the forks with no force fitting. Then screw it all together . Nothing is force fitted so it all remains NOS :daumenhoch:
What u recon :surprise:
Genius Steve, top of the class, that man. :4_17_5:
Who asked you.......thought you were banned? ;D
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NUOS?
as if we didn't have enough argy bargy with the term NOS "nono"
NOS just means it hasn't been used/fitted, has no actual bearing on the condition of an item
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I have built 2 nos frames up ridden them and sold them on with build marks etc..... Both sets fetched far more money than I paid for them NOS. I don't think anyone will mind if its been loosely fitted. Plus if you are keeping it for your own viewing please and aesthetic values nothing will ever be lost especially if its a rare model/example etc.
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A tricky age old dilemma is this question of NOS :pilky:
If a frame set is removed from its original packaging and handled with gloved hand, it remains NOS, as soon as the gloves are off and contact is made with human skin, it is no longer NOS.
It is essential therefore that it remains within its original packaging at all times, but for those special occasions when you want to hold it and give it a cuddle, glove up 8)
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A tricky age old dilemma is this question of NOS :pilky:
If a frame set is removed from its original packaging and handled with gloved hand, it remains NOS, as soon as the gloves are off and contact is made with human skin, it is no longer NOS.
It is essential therefore that it remains within its original packaging at all times, but for those special occasions when you want to hold it and give it a cuddle, glove up 8)
because people who work in bmx shops always wear gloves to handle their stock.... :chin:
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Doesn't matter if its been handled! Once it's been built its no longer Nos
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Guys, we are going off subject, I know what NOS means.........
I'm just wondering whether to stick the headset in or not, that's all......
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Not a NOS or showbike person, but I wouldn't bang a headset in (unless it's an Odyssey Dynatron as they're so shite it wouldn't harm the frame :LolLolLolLol: ).
Either get some of the CW thangs or the pipe lagging thing would work, although if they're getting put up on wall displays you'd have to support the forks n'all.
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Doesn't matter if its been handled! Once it's been built its no longer Nos
:daumenhoch:
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anything would be better than letting the forks just sit there in the frame
almost as bad as dropouts on concrete :whistle:
foam sounds like a nice option
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Just build the fooker :LolLolLolLol:
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I'm getting nervous getting the latest one out the wrapper !
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I'm getting nervous getting the latest one out the wrapper !
If you dress like this you'll be fine :LolLolLolLol:
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx358/nickswan1/gasmasker-tjeckisk-nbc-skyddsdrakt--m-8479-c1_zps93905d39.jpg) (http://s771.photobucket.com/user/nickswan1/media/gasmasker-tjeckisk-nbc-skyddsdrakt--m-8479-c1_zps93905d39.jpg.html)
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Doesn't matter if its been handled! Once it's been built its no longer Nos
:daumenhoch:
I am not suggesting that once built it then retains its 'Nos'ness' .......... but if you wear gloves whilst holding the frame set (without building it up of course) - it remains NOS 8)
The key is, wearing gloves :coolsmiley:
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Doesn't matter if its been handled! Once it's been built its no longer Nos
:daumenhoch:
I am not suggesting that once built it then retains its 'Nos'ness' .......... but if you wear gloves whilst holding the frame set (without building it up of course) - it remains NOS 8)
The key is, wearing gloves :coolsmiley:
if you don't mind me asking, how come your post count goes down every time you post.
are you clocking your counter as some do on cars ;D
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Doesn't matter if its been handled! Once it's been built its no longer Nos
:daumenhoch:
I am not suggesting that once built it then retains its 'Nos'ness' .......... but if you wear gloves whilst holding the frame set (without building it up of course) - it remains NOS 8)
The key is, wearing gloves :coolsmiley:
i take it you ARE taking the "P" here stella.....
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Doesn't matter if its been handled! Once it's been built its no longer Nos
:daumenhoch:
I am not suggesting that once built it then retains its 'Nos'ness' .......... but if you wear gloves whilst holding the frame set (without building it up of course) - it remains NOS 8)
The key is, wearing gloves :coolsmiley:
i take it you ARE taking the "P" here stella.....
not at all delray.
Keeping the oily residue that skin contains caused by over-active sebaceous glands off of an object (particularly chrome) that has spent 30 years safely wrapped is a sensible approach to take, thus keeping it NOS :)
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Doesn't matter if its been handled! Once it's been built its no longer Nos
:daumenhoch:
I am not suggesting that once built it then retains its 'Nos'ness' .......... but if you wear gloves whilst holding the frame set (without building it up of course) - it remains NOS 8)
The key is, wearing gloves :coolsmiley:
i take it you ARE taking the "P" here stella.....
not at all delray.
Keeping the oily residue that skin contains caused by over-active sebaceous glands off of an object (particularly chrome) that has spent 30 years safely wrapped is a sensible approach to take, thus keeping it NOS :)
Fook me - I handle Roman/Med coins, brooches etc every day without gloves. 30 year old chrome ain't gonna be affected by a bit of the old skin oil :LolLolLolLol:
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Danny.
But your coins and brooches are not NOS are they ???
I am guessing they are pretty used, albeit sometime ago :-\
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Danny.
But your coins and brooches are not NOS are they ???
I am guessing they are pretty used, albeit sometime ago :-\
Yeah - some of them are NOS and dropped :LolLolLolLol:
Same applies though - it's generally only bare metal (such as a sword blade etc) that'll suffer from skin oil - chromes generally thick enough to stop any nastiness :daumenhoch:
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OCD NOS overdrive!!! :D
Could you get a couple of mill skimmed off the cups and race so you don't have to press them....?
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no don`t fitted head set i say and hope you don`t on that pink one ;)
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I'm of the opinion that as soon as any part is fitted its game over
Yep, 100% spot on. Unless it was bought New Old Stock from a bike shop with one fitted when purchased.
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If I was going to display the F&F on a shelf I would fit the headset to stop any rattle damage.
Could always display them seperatley, side by side :-\
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Try 2 of these Nick, one each end :daumenhoch:
http://www.motosport.com/GB/atv/HOUSER-BAR-MOUNT-RUBBER-CONE
Then just screw the bearing retainer on up to the rubber cone.
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Personally I keep all my NOS frames exactly as they came from the factory which means just the frame and card attached and with nothing else installed.
Find another way to display them rather than adding something just to stop them falling over.
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If I was buying an NOS Frameset from somebody I would deffo prefer it not to have had a headset installed :)
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Guys, we are going off subject, I know what NOS means.........
I'm just wondering whether to stick the headset in or not, that's all......
If you have taken it out of the bag then you may aswell put a headset on it. If its for display purposes then why not display the frame and forks separately? I like the display look of frame and forks separate (with the forks flat on wall so you can see them head on).
Suppose it all depends on how you want to showcase it.
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Guys, we are going off subject, I know what NOS means.........
I'm just wondering whether to stick the headset in or not, that's all......
If you have taken it out of the bag then you may aswell put a headset on it. If its for display purposes then why not display the frame and forks separately? I like the display look of frame and forks separate (with the forks flat on wall so you can see them head on).
Suppose it all depends on how you want to showcase it.
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I think I'll do a bit of a mix :LolLolLolLol: