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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Badbaldie on December 19, 2013, 01:11 PM
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While at Alans bmx shop today ..... look what was delivered :shocked:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/Badbaldie/hutchdelivery_zpsed6335eb.jpg) (http://s255.photobucket.com/user/Badbaldie/media/hutchdelivery_zpsed6335eb.jpg.html)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/Badbaldie/hutchframe_zpsf67db091.jpg) (http://s255.photobucket.com/user/Badbaldie/media/hutchframe_zpsf67db091.jpg.html)
the new Hutch frames :daumenhoch:
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I like them :daumenhoch:
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:shocked: Bloody hell, are they pre ordered or is it a given that these will fly off the shelves ?
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NICE !
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You could have unwrapped it a bit more so we can see :yahoo_silent:
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You could have unwrapped it a bit more so we can see :yahoo_silent:
it was a top secret mission. :-X Alan has a price on my head now for these under cover pics ive leeked out. he did have a full HUTCH bmx built up on the RADTOR ride tricked up to the max :daumenhoch:
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I used to love boxes as a kid
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No use to me without a flatform and super thin, weak tubing :LolLolLolLol:
1 of 7 botched welds, the chainstays look like twiglets :'(
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/DSC_0713_zpscb1bba77.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/oldschoolace/media/DSC_0713_zpscb1bba77.jpg.html)
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i thin Alan's distributing them in EU. Probably explains the quantity :daumenhoch:
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i thin Alan's distributing them in EU. Probably explains the quantity :daumenhoch:
I would take a bet on him not shifting 10 of those.
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8)
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sorry but im not impressed with jdb an utter plum so im out.
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Bloody Hell Lenny! You seem to be everywhere at the moment :smitten:.....you really are the gift that keeps on giving 8) :LolLolLolLol:
Nice pictures but I bet these babies ain't gonna be cheap?
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I hope they've done as nice a job as Kuwahara did on the KZ. :daumenhoch:
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Bloody Hell Lenny! You seem to be everywhere at the moment :smitten:.....you really are the gift that keeps on giving 8) :LolLolLolLol:
Nice pictures but I bet these babies ain't gonna be cheap?
£495 Frame forks and bars
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Bloody Hell Lenny! You seem to be everywhere at the moment :smitten:.....you really are the gift that keeps on giving 8) :LolLolLolLol:
Nice pictures but I bet these babies ain't gonna be cheap?
£495 Frame forks and bars
I'd pay that. :)
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These are not soft retro pub cruisers like the skyway, the prototypes looked great and were tested and raced hard by all accounts, so to compare, I would look at an s&m speed wagon, xlt race forks and xlt race bars, that lot would cost you £600 so price wise it's pretty good.
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hutch was top bananna back in the day,ye they had issues but had a winning reputation,
built on r&d top riders a great history ridden by top class winners.
this is a frame with a sticker on it..nowt to do with all the above...
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Agreed :daumenhoch:
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hutch was top bananna back in the day,ye they had issues but had a winning reputation,
built on r&d top riders a great history ridden by top class winners.
this is a frame with a sticker on it..nowt to do with all the above...
That is a fair comment Dan, and I've noticed the rear brake mounts too, which puts me off. :-\
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im only being honest,i wouldnt have a pop at anyone who bought one,its more
we are on here with a similar background of oldschool bmx
this is just a bloke who bought the trading rights..
i know other companies have done it but hutch are i my opinion the pinnacle of old school in a way
that above isnt,he has the option to prove me wrong though.
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That is a fair comment Dan, and I've noticed the rear brake mounts too, which puts me off. :-\
They are a modern race bike Dan, designed for modern tracks, the only downside is the cashing in on the name and History as Dan said, it ain't Hutch.
I do like them for what they are though :)
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That is a fair comment Dan, and I've noticed the rear brake mounts too, which puts me off. :-\
They are a modern race bike Dan, designed for modern tracks, the only downside is the cashing in on the name and History as Dan said, it ain't Hutch.
I do like them for what they are though :)
I know Si, I've just got all misty eyed over the decals and lush chrome. I know I need a Hutch in my collection after seeing JT's at Radchester last year, and thought I'd possibly take a punt on this. :-\
I think I'll sit tight for now. :daumenhoch:
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That is a fair comment Dan, and I've noticed the rear brake mounts too, which puts me off. :-\
They are a modern race bike Dan, designed for modern tracks, the only downside is the cashing in on the name and History as Dan said, it ain't Hutch.
I do like them for what they are though :)
i know mate but steep price for an unknown race winner,its not proven ?or is it.maybe in a year or 2 of doing well it might be worth the cost..why run a looptail ,he is aiming it at us older lot ,you just wouldnt run a looptail on a modern bike to be a must have
its kinda 1/2 & 1/2 £375 tops
again im here to be proven wrong and if he can pull it off i will smile,you know im not that controversial but in this case cant stand seeing people getting ripped off.
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Some good info going in this thread guys.
Alan let me ride the new Hutch at Radtor, I loved it to be fair the bike was really nice to ride and brimming with titanium components so was extremely lightweight and looked even better, I remember Being told of the cost of the titanium chain and the pedals are hand made :(
I would have one much like the Skyway 20" bike just based upon the ride of the bike that day.
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Woe betied anybody who treads on the hallowed memory of Hutch, poor old JDB.
Hutch were all fur coat and no knickers, make it shiney and in the USA (well in the beginning anyway), tell everyone it's the best (backed up by reviews in mags they paid loads for advertising), make it the most expensive brand (they certainly did that alright) and they will believe you it's the best (impressionable kids who didn't know any better), hence the Nora Cup wins.
Unfortunately the bikes weren't as good as the hype the triple chrome flaked and fell off, the frames cracked, the cranks and pedals broke.
The BMX version of The Great Rock and Roll Swindle. :LolLolLolLol:
JDB's stuff is probably better quality than anything Hutch ever made themselves (not thruster, profile, mcs, vdc).
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So no other 80's bmx broke then ::) ;D
Or was it every make ,,, err that may be all of them :crazy2: ;D
Not till they 90's was there a bike truly suitable for BMX
You see more repaired Rippers than any other bike ,, but they were and still are ultra cool and don't have the "sheep like " cool to hate Hutch stigma.
Yes later built Hutch bits were built in Taiwan ,, but so was virtually every other by the late 80's
That's the way the whole bike industry went.
But to call the early stuff pre 85 is unfounded ,, because the actual manufacturers making Hutch were Thruster,Profile,Robinson,,all of which are highly respected.if you own any of the Pro racer framesets or bars you'll have a very high standard built item of that era. :)
Its nothing new ,, if someone gets a 911 , people say "ooooo he's having a midlife crisis ". ,when they'd love to have one in a heartbeat :D
Hutch was one of the ultimate sought after brands,,, undeniably. :coolsmiley:
That's not just my opinion it's
FACT :4_17_5:
:daumenhoch:
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Just to add
Does anyone know who builds the latest frames. Is it a factory in Taiwan (which isn't a bad thing ) where most of today's professional standard £350 + frames are made like ,Fit,etc
Or more likely ,,,comissioned to Johnny chopper to produce in_house. Who has a reputation to make well made quality products more than suitable for today racers.
As Diggler says the price certainly isn't in question ,,the bars are £70 and the rest is £420 , with chrome forks being around £125 that would make these frames around £295 .
Doesn't sound bad at all comparatively ???
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They look real nice but upon close inspection I personally feel the finish and attention to detail on the new Skyway Frame sets is better... so that's what I'll be going for next year :)
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Just for a bit of balance, I had a new Curtis Pro from about 13 (being a big lump) which was beautifully made. However it wasn't the quickest pro F&F about by any means... When I had the chance to get a well-used 2nd hand Hutch Pro F&F I jumped at the chance. Yes, the chrome wasn't as deep but it handled fantastically and was a really quick race bike. It was also strong - I was 6' and about 14 stone when I finished racing as a kid. Although it's hard to believe now :-[ I also jumped a lot in them days, including jumping out of berms to flat landings. I also broke a number of parts including cranks, seatpost, and some CW cruiser bars and the Hutch was always fine - I think there was enough flex to take some of my inelegant landings.
These new Hutch's have been raced, and I think they are more of a proper rider's bike than an ornament/pub bike.
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So no other 80's bmx broke then ::) ;D
Or was it every make ,,, err that may be all of them :crazy2: ;D
Not till they 90's was there a bike truly suitable for BMX
You see more repaired Rippers than any other bike ,, but they were and still are ultra cool and don't have the "sheep like " cool to hate Hutch stigma.
Yes later built Hutch bits were built in Taiwan ,, but so was virtually every other by the late 80's
That's the way the whole bike industry went.
But to call the early stuff pre 85 is unfounded ,, because the actual manufacturers making Hutch were Thruster,Profile,Robinson,,all of which are highly respected.if you own any of the Pro racer framesets or bars you'll have a very high standard built item of that era. :)
Its nothing new ,, if someone gets a 911 , people say "ooooo he's having a midlife crisis ". ,when they'd love to have one in a heartbeat :D
Hutch was one of the ultimate sought after brands,,, undeniably. :coolsmiley:
That's not just my opinion it's
FACT :4_17_5:
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Not all pre 85 Hutch were outsourced to Profile etc, they went in house circa 82 and Profile stopped making stuff for them, Thruster were used when Hutch couldn't meet the orders up to around late 84.
I'm not a Hutch hater I just don't accept they were the best BMX out there as the clever marketing hype suggested, it doesn't look like you think they were either as you quite rightly say they were one of the best which is right.
I honestly wouldn't love to have one in a heartbeat, well maybe a Profile made Hutch :whistle:
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comes in three sizes, 20.5, 21, 21.5 inches
(http://imagehosting.rodsnsods.co.uk/113452b436e95a88d.jpg)
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makes no sense. hutch isn't allowed to be hutch anymore, hence hutchinson. just put some hutch decals on your s&m or fit or fbm etc.. same thing no doubt better made too.
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i dont get this, most bmx companys have been sold/bought out by other companys or people....whats the difference with it being hutch in this case, its not like they are anything special, they were were over priced and crap quality bitd, yes their stuff looked nice but thats about it. we had so much of their stuff come back to the shop broken back then that i actually tried to dissuade people from buying it.
just hope this new stuff is better quality no matter who its made by.
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:)
That's right , I ve said one of the best brands ,,, and the rest is not directed to you Rod and I wasn't trying to school you personally about Hutch production history :)
Just a general reply to the concensus of those who for some reason are Hutch haters ,,purely because they are in an inflated price bracket and because theyve seen someone else say"they're overpriced and broke a lot " so they repeat it
That doesn't mean you Andy , before you start :LolLolLolLol:
One of the biggest biycle scaremongering urban myths is you can't ride Campagnolo sheriff star hubs on anywhere but a velodrome , ::) because Sheldon Brown bicycle shop posted a thread of a shattered one apparently whilst riding on a road bike .
As a consequence every man and his dog now swears blind Sherriff star hubs are purely for track Kierin racing and will explode if they came within 500 metres of a leaf on the road .I bet 90% of those replying have n't owned a pair :D Which is bollocks because Last year I got the pair Winnie Wright used for thrashing round doing BMX nationals almost 30 years ago . :4_17_5:
Urban myths ,a bit like Chinese whispers , exaggerated by people who haven't had first hand experience :-\
I've said it before there are far far dearer makes that just don't attract the same negative comments .A trend ,,rather than first hand knowing ? ::)
For me JMC are beautiful , well made and the DY and AP ARE certainly more than your average frameset
I absolutely love em :smitten: They don't attract bad press but they'd snap like any other bike,,,hell they were made bya road bike manufacturer for God's sake :LolLolLolLol:
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i can only go by my experience of working in and managing bike shops from 81-86 (youngs bmx being one of them)
hutch stuff broke all the time and i'm not talking about race stuff being used in the skate parks, i'm talking about on the track, darren wood snapped hutch pedals out of the gate !! the cranks were a crap design with the spindle and broke all the time. the frames broke near the head tube.
i know you didnt mean me christian but i do have first hand experience from back then of most of the brands so am of the opinion that hutch were over priced for what they were and cant understand the mythical thing they have become.
JMC broke just as much like you say :)
i could start a whole new thread about parts and frame reliabilty and warranty issues from back :LolLolLolLol:
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we can all recollect breakage stories for every manufacturer but I have to agree that Aerospeeds were particularly crap which probably goes some way to explain their inflated "value" today... Because there are so few left in one piece (or 3 piece) :LolLolLolLol:
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Just to add
Does anyone know who builds the latest frames. Is it a factory in Taiwan (which isn't a bad thing ) where most of today's professional standard £350 + frames are made like ,Fit,etc
Or more likely ,,,comissioned to Johnny chopper to produce in_house. Who has a reputation to make well made quality products more than suitable for today racers.
As Diggler says the price certainly isn't in question ,,the bars are £70 and the rest is £420 , with chrome forks being around £125 that would make these frames around £295 .
Doesn't sound bad at all comparatively ???
to answer the question "is it made in TAIWAN ?"... the answer is YES . and the main reason they are made in Taiwan is simply this. nobody in England can make/mass produce bike frames anymore. yes there are bespoke bike frame makers , but the cost is BIG. the question has been asked and some well known companies/people have tried to "remake" bikes we on radbmx are well acustomed to. a well known company tried to get back into making a limited number of frames not so long ago.. looking up their old "contacts" and after knocking on many doors and discussing the posabilities about the idea of making some frame sets the same reply was given time after time untill all the doors hand been shut ... if you wana build bmx frames you need to go to TAIWAN.
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No need .
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Regardless of the price i wouldent want one .
Hutch bmx never floated my boat bitd
Nor does it now , just my opionion .
Needless to say cut the lugs off on the back
& it will be a cool old school style bmx .
Them lugs got no place on old school :)
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You can but a ns frame made in Taiwan from not so shit of a company for £150? They are just cashing in on the name, like the previous post all of them USA made frames are similar prices as this yello shit! It's all bollox! Just buy somthing ns if you wanna ride it
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If anyone here is thinking about purchasing one of these & hacking the lugs off,give me a shout.For just £500 I`ll do it for you.I`ll also remove the seattube,headtube and BB shell.Hell,I`ll even cut a few inches off the front end.1" headtube,US BB shell,seattube & rewelding/chrome will be extra though... :daumenhoch:
It is what is-a newschool frame with an oldschool name,nothing more,nothing less...
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lol, if anyone buys one and does that, they are a twat.
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lol, if anyone buys one and does that, they are a twat.
thats scrapped that idea.. :whistle:
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hutch was forced to change it's name. how the fook is that no longer valid. even if the other company went under, you would still have to go through the courts to have the decision overturned.
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So who's buying one ?
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No need .
You're right,
:daumenhoch:
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So who's buying one ?
Not me....
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hutch was forced to change it's name. how the fook is that no longer valid. even if the other company went under, you would still have to go through the courts to have the decision overturned.
Very good question.
Hutch changed it's name to Hutchins and was later bought by the same person who owned CW/Revcore.
The Hutch brand name became the property Hutch Sporting Goods (the American football helmet manufacturer), my guess is that JDB bought the name from them.
http://www.hutch-bikes.com/hutch_history.htm
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So who's buying one ?
God no...
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...still a nice frame ...for ns. And if it's got nothing to do with old Hutch, then maybe it won't snap right away :LolLolLolLol:
.... get me cloak ::)
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Modern Hutch v Skyway?
Skyway = oldschool vampire... sucking the life out of the average old school fook wit.
Hutch = applying some thought to the old school/new school debate... design and build a decent race frame and add an old school nod, loop tail any one? It's a frame for people who make an effort as well as collect and cherish history... they were over egged back in the day, though.
Personally, I'd buy a Pure, every thing else is only 99%
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How much ? I'd take one :)
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the hutch brand name yes, but the bike rights were property of hutchinson. two very separate entities. he might get a shock when the cease and desist lands on the doormat.
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the hutch brand name yes, but the bike rights were property of hutchinson. two very separate entities. he might get a shock when the cease and desist lands on the doormat.
I'd say copyrights of the products belonged to CW/Revcore as a result of the Hutchins sale to them, Hutchinson was long gone even when that happened.
That would make sense given the sale of CW/Revcore to Jaun, no mention of Hutch/ins.
Back to the topic I like this, Skyways and all. :daumenhoch:
(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t640/pushittothemax/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg) (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/pushittothemax/media/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg.html)
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Lol I have to laugh at the complaints of lugs on a modern frame.
It's not 30 years old so why try and make it look it.
Don't interest me tbh as I've said on Facebook
I'd like to see what the young un's think of it.
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That ^^^ looks shit
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Nice set of wheels
& i mean just the wheels lol
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Why would you put tuffs on a new frame set "nono"
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I quite like them
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£420 if you want to ride a NS school race frame and fork OR...
£146 for Charles Townsend's personal factory pro racer frame and fork if you want to ride old school :coolsmiley:
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=554791
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Lol I have to laugh at the complaints of lugs on a modern frame.
It's not 30 years old so why try and make it look it.
Don't interest me tbh as I've said on Facebook
I'd like to see what the young un's think of it.
A set of NS black spoked wheels with tan walls would be better, I'd change the seat to a black kashi repop and I'd change the chainring to the other side of the power disc, that said tis still not bad for what it is.
I can't see kids liking these if they were to take off I'd be totally shocked, most likely the only people who will buy them are the odd old fart with more money than sense who just wants something to roll round on.
That ^^^ looks shit
Don't hold back :LolLolLolLol:
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the hutch brand name yes, but the bike rights were property of hutchinson. two very separate entities. he might get a shock when the cease and desist lands on the doormat.
I'd say copyrights of the products belonged to CW/Revcore as a result of the Hutchins sale to them, Hutchinson was long gone even when that happened.
That would make sense given the sale of CW/Revcore to Jaun, no mention of Hutch/ins.
Back to the topic I like this, Skyways and all. :daumenhoch:
(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t640/pushittothemax/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg) (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/pushittothemax/media/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg.html)
That looks shit and will ride like a smashed bag of jellied eels.
It's a modern frame set it needs fitting out with new quality kit.
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the hutch brand name yes, but the bike rights were property of hutchinson. two very separate entities. he might get a shock when the cease and desist lands on the doormat.
I'd say copyrights of the products belonged to CW/Revcore as a result of the Hutchins sale to them, Hutchinson was long gone even when that happened.
That would make sense given the sale of CW/Revcore to Jaun, no mention of Hutch/ins.
Back to the topic I like this, Skyways and all. :daumenhoch:
(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t640/pushittothemax/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg) (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/pushittothemax/media/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg.html)
That looks shit and will ride like a smashed bag of jellied eels.
It's a modern frame set it needs fitting out with new quality kit.
Does it?
Probably depends why somebody buys it, I'd bet the majority of these frame sets will be bought as a retro frame set as opposed to a race frame set.
JDB has designed it that way more because OS bikes aren't suitable for adults size wise and because Americans like to think something has race pedigree when in all likely hood they'll never use it on a race track while their arse looks downwards.
Fitting new kit would make it ride better but whether it would look better is debatable, that tioga seat on the one Alan built looks shit IMO but if I was going to race it I'd have it on.
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So when is the NEW JMC due for release ? ???
Must be anytime soon
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that looks fecking awful. looks like the worst of both worlds
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That ^^^ looks shit
:LolLolLolLol: Nicely worded
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Nice set of wheels
& i mean just the wheels lol
Oh dear
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(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/Wales/IMG_0459_zps21a26612.jpg)
nice
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v213/mikamagic1/PS3.jpg)
nice
(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t640/pushittothemax/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg)
not nice
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That last hutch just reminds me of the word orthopedic for some strange reason. ???
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(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/oldschoolace/Wales/IMG_0459_zps21a26612.jpg)
nice
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v213/mikamagic1/PS3.jpg)
nice
(http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t640/pushittothemax/011_zps1f3f7f06.jpg)
not nice
Don't mean to split hairs but the Subrosa is a freestyle bike is it not :-\
The OS bike isn't comparable IMO.
I can see the point you are trying to make but it looks like a criticism of my taste* as opposed to the frame set.
* My taste was obviously lacking I think it was affected after having been on the BMXmuseum :-[
After looking through the NS Racing section maybe a better comparison would be:
very nice
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/dingobmxer/003_zps39f29120.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/dingobmxer/media/003_zps39f29120.jpg.html)
nice (not keen on the seat though)
(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv281/rodgy1970/HutchNS_zpscd52f89c.jpg) (http://s692.photobucket.com/user/rodgy1970/media/HutchNS_zpscd52f89c.jpg.html)
Note to self must look at the bikes in the NS racing section more often.
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Just, new/old/confused.
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Just, new/old/confused.
Whatever you think :daumenhoch:
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Correct
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Correct
About what :-\
If it's confusion you'd be an expert on that :-X
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I don't know what it is but the new hutch frames look awkward to me, something wrong looking about the stance of the bike.
The one with the mags really looks strange.
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I don't know what it is but the new hutch frames look awkward to me, something wrong looking about the stance of the bike.
The one with the mags really looks strange.
It looks wrong Sean because it has NS geometry with a loop tail. The BB is high making the back end drop more.
It looks pants to me and anybody putting Skyway's on a new race bike must be crazy. If you want an old school bike, stick to one. You can buy an 80's chrome Pro Racer F+F for the same money and the cockpit is fine, even for us 'adults'. Some of the guys back then were taller than me now and they coped on them fine :daumenhoch:
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I don't know what it is but the new hutch frames look awkward to me, something wrong looking about the stance of the bike.
The one with the mags really looks strange.
It looks wrong Sean because it has NS geometry with a loop tail. The BB is high making the back end drop more.
It looks pants to me and anybody putting Skyway's on a new race bike must be crazy. If you want an old school bike, stick to one. You can buy an 80's chrome Pro Racer F+F for the same money and the cockpit is fine, even for us 'adults'. Some of the guys back tyhen are talling than me now and they coped on them fine :daumenhoch:
Now I see it, thanks Terry. I really couldn't fookin work out what was off. :daumenhoch: :4_17_5:
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Correct
About what :-\
If it's confusion you'd be an expert on that :-X
As apposed to being the ultimate authority on everything ? Including another's opinion and their right to it?
I think it's a pointless load of ugly shite. End of. If you don't like that, tough testicles.
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Correct
About what :-\
If it's confusion you'd be an expert on that :-X
As apposed to being the ultimate authority on everything ? Including another's opinion and their right to it?
I think it's a pointless load of ugly shite. End of. If you don't like that, tough testicles.
:shocked: Well fook me that's the pot calling the kettle black. :LolLolLolLol:
Believe me I really couldn't give a flying fook what you think about it :bellend:
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I don't know what it is but the new hutch frames look awkward to me, something wrong looking about the stance of the bike.
The one with the mags really looks strange.
It looks wrong Sean because it has NS geometry with a loop tail. The BB is high making the back end drop more.
It looks pants to me and anybody putting Skyway's on a new race bike must be crazy. If you want an old school bike, stick to one. You can buy an 80's chrome Pro Racer F+F for the same money and the cockpit is fine, even for us 'adults'. Some of the guys back then were taller than me now and they coped on them fine :daumenhoch:
A lot of JDB's target market in the USA are big men you're talking XXXXL, a lot of them are so big they can't ride OS bikes any more even those bikes will just about be big enough.
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i think i best get one ordered then ready for after chrimbo the rate im getting the quality street and mince pies down me :slayer:
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yer right, rod - however still don't look right imo -- JT was right about the Subrosa - THAT one makes sense, this one's like a Pro star gone goo goo. The subrosa proved you CAN transport an os concept to smth new - I dunno if it's just the high bb, maybe it just cant be done analogously with the pro star .... :-\ ... the angle of the loop is too narrow on the backstays.
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That Subrosa looks shit.
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This Hutch is a new school Race frame set more expensive than some and cheaper than others
It comes in chrome rather than paint ,,which is always a ten or twenty quid dearer per item frame ,forks and bars
Loop tail looks slightly tighter than an original Pro racer, but of course it is,,, new school rear ends are all low slung ,,,it's a new bike ,for track use
Is the BB slightly higher ,,, than a park bike you mean . It certainly isn't as high as say a Supercross ,,which are purposely race proven frames. So nothing unusual there . Again may be the angle of the pic ,or just the fact that people are comparing it to the 80's Pro racer
I think most people may be missing what this is.
I don't like repop,,,,but this isn't trying to be repop ::)
Like Bren said ,firstly it is just a new school frame aimed at serious use, with a nod to the original by the loop, seat stay bridge and decals only .
If you want a pub bike or show pony ,get the80's one for the same price :daumenhoch:
I saw the one one Alan Woods built and rode it looked a proper piece of kit and done right without any old parts, just the best of everything current 8)( ok bar the pedals :D )
I like it because it s a little different , useable and I suppose it would give everyone something to talk about at the track :LolLolLolLol:
But don't shoot me :LolLolLolLol:
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Ow :D
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This Hutch is a new school Race frame set more expensive than some and cheaper than others
It comes in chrome rather than paint ,,which is always a ten or twenty quid dearer per item frame ,forks and bars
Loop tail looks slightly tighter than an original Pro racer, but of course it is,,, new school rear ends are all low slung ,,,it's a new bike ,for track use
Is the BB slightly higher ,,, than a park bike you mean . It certainly isn't as high as say a Supercross ,,which are purposely race proven frames. So nothing unusual there . Again may be the angle of the pic ,or just the fact that people are comparing it to the 80's Pro racer
I think most people may be missing what this is.
I don't like repop,,,,but this isn't trying to be repop ::)
Like Bren said ,firstly it is just a new school frame aimed at serious use, with a nod to the original by the loop, seat stay bridge and decals only .
If you want a pub bike or show pony ,get the80's one for the same price :daumenhoch:
I saw the one one Alan Woods built and rode it looked a proper piece of kit and done right without any old parts, just the best of everything current 8)( ok bar the pedals :D )
I like it because it s a little different , useable and I suppose it would give everyone something to talk about at the track :LolLolLolLol:
But don't shoot me :LolLolLolLol:
Nicely explained Dubber, not being up in race bikes I wasn't really aware of this until Ron Burgundys post and I looked into it a bit further.
I wish you'd posted this before I posted the bike with the Skyways but I now realise the error of my ways :-[
Tis always good to be edumacated. :daumenhoch:
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That Subrosa looks shit.
I like the cut of your jib
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you'll have to wait until the expert comes out chris :LolLolLolLol:
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I'm a big fan of all things Hutch, and the new frames look fine, but I wouldn't get one at that price, or even for half the price. The same goes for the new Skyway T/A 20 inch. Both nice bikes, but if I want a bike for rad rides or going to the shops I'd use my original old school ones. If I was really into new school racing, but wanted that retro look but with modern technology/geometry, then I would consider one (I'm not into racing, so wouldn't honestly have a clue as to how these compare with other new school racers). I can see the point in the Skyway cruisers, as they are copies of the originals (I think), just with a few new school features to make them perform better. They look great and are good for a casual (and comfortable) ride - plus the original Skyway cruisers are uber rare, so getting one would be close to impossible.