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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: DIRTBIKER250F on February 02, 2014, 10:45 AM
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So I ain't been on the site for a good while really, but it's winter and maybe this year is another build at some point.
What's really striking me is these early mid school bikes, as I really know nothing about them apart from what rads mid collectors post.
I have built or owned nearly 45 bikes in my time, so old school, there is nothing really new to me about it (hunterdubber has most of old school porn anyway).
Does anyone else who has always been primarily old 80s bikes fell these mid school are almost a breath of fresh air in the hobby, could mid become the new old ?
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When i started out, i didn't look at mid school,but after doing some o/s racing i got into mid bikes as that was what i was riding :D
I started to appreciate how good the bikes were to ride,then built a few with my new rider perspctive :daumenhoch:
Mid school is the transition between old and new obviously, and as such its interesting to me to have some in my collection,plus they are way better to ride :daumenhoch:
Will mid become the new old?, don't know about that,all i know is they are great bikes :smitten:
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in short 'no', everything pre 84 for me, mid school are nice as riders (I have a 91 robinson) but for me all its all about my childhood memories for collecting...
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Nah, i raced from 83-88 so anything after that is alien to me as pretty much anything before 83 to be honest.
Old school only i'm afraid Paul. :)
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Sam, don't you get bored of it, you and me entered this hobby around the same time. I know it's bmx, and 84 and pre are the *classic* years, but there is nothing really that new anymore, fook me I remember selling you a T.A in 2006, 8 years ago....you have had some cracking bikes bud, but we're do you go once you have done a bike 4 different ways.
The only old school bike that I'd sell my kidneys for is the Big Tube, and that's cos I've had that build in my brain for a long time.
2026 had a 89 Kuwi, it was the bollocks, I think if I was to ever build another bike...I'd re ignite my interest by dipping into the unknown, like I did in 2005, I absolutely got immersed in the parts and chase. I need a wing man though, and you were always a good fella for swaps n the hunt.
I may challenge you to a after 88 build in the summer 👍
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Nah, i raced from 83-88 so anything after that is alien to me as pretty much anything before 83 to be honest.
Old school only i'm afraid Paul. :)
Andy, the fact it's alien to me is kinda what's getting me going, that gt that was posted up, if I was to build that, I wouldn't have a clue were to start, and that's almost like a new boob job on a missus that you love 😍
I don't know, I'm sorta finding my way out my own recession, cpl more bills to pay then I'm out again.
Mid school, or at least one rare bike that I have no idea about maybe on the cards to go alongside my super goose 3 😁
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I stopped riding 85/86, thought all later stuff was shite for a long time, then you started noticing splashes of quality and things outa the ordinary and if you ride you get usable great handing strong bikes to boot. :daumenhoch:
old for wanking, mid for spanking :police:
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I raced up to 1990 but was still on OS bikes at that point.
At that point I would have killed to have ridden the Revcore/Boss type bikes that were appearing, and the few mid bits that I had (Revcore bars, early Crupi stem as id'd by Orgasm Donor) were really well made and better fit for purpose than the OS stuff I'd bent and broken.
Having come back I've ridden a mid Haro myself, as well as trying out Freeagents, TNTs etc - they are all WAY better than the OS stuff. Of course my first memories are of Old Skool BMX so nothing will change that, I'm just not looking at those bikes with rose-tinted specs.
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The early 90's bikes are 'old school' enough for me! Caliper brakes and 1" stems.
I still don't understand how mid-school started in 1986/7 but that's another debate - I rode up until 89 then moved to mountain bikes. 90 is when mid school kicked off for me but the early 90 bikes give me almost the same nostalgic feeling as many of the top riders were still cranking.
Another great thing about early 90's bikes is they're generally cheaper to buy and parts are not that difficult to find - but there's still enough 'hunt' in the project to make it just as satisfying. In fact some of the mid school bikes seem rarer than a lot of old school bikes - but maybe that's just me.
Granted none of my grails are mid school but I probably couldn't afford them anyway so the early mid school bikes feed the habit...
Try one.
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I still don't understand how mid-school started in 1986/7 but that's another debate - I rode up until 89 then moved to mountain bikes. 90 is when mid school kicked off for me but the early 90 bikes give me almost the same nostalgic feeling as many of the top riders were still cranking.
The reason it starts at 1986 on here is because everybody complained when I set the section up and had Midschool starting at 1990. We held a vote and it was decided that it would start at 86 so 86 it starts at.
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I got back into building because I wanted to ride my old DP 80s bike ... but having gradually moved onto a new school ride through various mid bikes I've come to love the design & innovation of early mid school ( warts and all ) ... and the sense of recapturing an era that I would loved being involved in if I hadn't sold my soul to Skateboarding ;)
I've just sold the last of my old school bits ... I've got the 2 bikes that were my Mid School grails... a WAL Riot and an Auburn CR20S ... playing with building a 2hip Pork ... but thats gonna be it for me :daumenhoch:
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I still don't understand how mid-school started in 1986/7 but that's another debate - I rode up until 89 then moved to mountain bikes. 90 is when mid school kicked off for me but the early 90 bikes give me almost the same nostalgic feeling as many of the top riders were still cranking.
The reason it starts at 1986 on here is because everybody complained when I set the section up and had Midschool starting at 1990. We held a vote and it was decided that it would start at 86 so 86 it starts at.
Sean, I thought the Mid school section started 87 to 97.
It was at MK last year
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the 1986 mid school divide objectively makes some sense...
->http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,167111.msg1677035.html#msg1677035 rod's theory, objectified :D
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Can anyone point me at the mid school starting age vote thread? missed that one completely!
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I still don't understand how mid-school started in 1986/7 but that's another debate - I rode up until 89 then moved to mountain bikes. 90 is when mid school kicked off for me but the early 90 bikes give me almost the same nostalgic feeling as many of the top riders were still cranking.
The reason it starts at 1986 on here is because everybody complained when I set the section up and had Midschool starting at 1990. We held a vote and it was decided that it would start at 86 so 86 it starts at.
Sean, I thought the Mid school section started 87 to 97.
It was at MK last year
If I remember correctly, when I first set up the sections when we opened the new site I had midschool starting ranging from 90-00, then I changed it to run from 87 as per the S&S cards. Then there was a vote and it was decided to change it to 86.
After that I washed my hands of it all Gish, I was always wrong so stormed off in a strop :LolLolLolLol:
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Fookin 86 mid school :2funny: :2funny:
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Sorry to tell you all... but midschool is up from 1990 IMO ;) :LolLolLolLol:
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Get some mid school in you boys! :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flWfHjlKEJg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flWfHjlKEJg)
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Fookin 86 mid school :2funny: :2funny:
Actually checking back through the midschool age threads, it was decided by the members on here that midschool was to start at 1987.
On the other big forums midschool is as follows:
Vintagebmx 1986
RADBMX 1987
BMX Society 1988
OZBMX 1990's
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I) ....until good reasons are given rod's theory holds imo :yahoo_silent:
II) one good reason: mid school is 90's bmx experience. (->http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,167111.msg1677244.html#msg1677244)
III) otherwise: it's the bashguard, it's the .... you name it.
radocratic (! word invent !) solution:
You could have a vote-thread and peeps give reasons (basically for I, II, III, as i see it).
i know this is pathetic, but this question keeps on rising up.... so....
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We have already done this, you guys had a chance to vote for the year, it was chosen as 1987 onwards and that is what was done.
For me it is over, we cannot keep changing it whenever somebody else feels it is wrong.
I feel that us being in the date middle of vintage and bmx society shows that mid-school start date is hard to pin down but considering all 3 sites are similar leads me to think we are all correct.
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We have already done this, you guys had a chance to vote for the year, it was chosen as 1987 onwards and that is what was done.
For me it is over, we cannot keep changing it whenever somebody else feels it is wrong.
I feel that us being in the date middle of vintage and bmx society shows that mid-school start date is hard to pin down but considering all 3 sites are similar leads me to think we are all correct.
Yep :daumenhoch:
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...but Ed will keep on nagging then :-\
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...but Ed will keep on nagging then :-\
Does anybody really listen to Ed? :LolLolLolLol:
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fook him :LolLolLolLol:
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Do we have a generation defining mid school bmx ?
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Do we have a generation defining mid school bmx ?
I don't think anybody knows that either, mid School is a bit of an enigma.
Fun to research, find parts for and depending on what you want to build parts are out there and won't break the bank.
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may I sugest 2 catagories for mid school to end this debate forever...
early mid school 86-91
late mid school 91-96
bumbum!
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That is fooking ace Danny. :LolLolLolLol:
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There were 80's bikes and there were 90's bikes...Dosen't really matter how you chose to class them at the end of the day...It's bmx, just enjoy what you remember :)
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may I sugest 2 catagories for mid school to end this debate forever...
early mid school 86-91
late mid school 91-96
bumbum!
Great idea but may I suggest an amendment
early mid school 86-91
mid mid school 91-96
late mid school 96-03ish
You can see why people get sick of these threads.
A bunch of middle aged men arguing about what was happened in BMX when a good lot of them had lost interest having found drink, women, and drugs and really can't remember what happened in the 90's anyway.
Personally I don't think the sections should be classified by years at all and just left the way they used to be with things falling into place.
It gets ridiculous when you get two models of the same bike and one falls into say vintage and the other falls into old school just because they are different years.
I blame the BMXsociety on all this nonsense who AFAIK come up with years to define the sections to facilitate their BOTY competition.
If ever there was a forum that you don't want to follow the example of that's it, they spend 99% of their time arguing about everything and anything.
Where's Stephen Hawkins when you need him :daumenhoch:
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I blame the BMXsociety on all this nonsense who AFAIK come up with years to define the sections to facilitate their BOTY competition.
But this site has a BOTY also and at MK we have S&S, so because of this we have to have the years of each 'school' clearly defined. Otherwise people start throwing their toys out of their prams.
The easiest way in my opinion is this, keep it as it is a everybody STFU about it. :daumenhoch:
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I blame the BMXsociety on all this nonsense who AFAIK come up with years to define the sections to facilitate their BOTY competition.
But this site has a BOTY also and at MK we have S&S, so because of this we have to have the years of each 'school' clearly defined. Otherwise people start throwing their toys out of their prams.
The easiest way in my opinion is this, keep it as it is a everybody STFU about it. :daumenhoch:
Surely grown men wouldn't chuck the toys out of the pram over BMX :yahoo_silent:
:LolLolLolLol:
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87 seems bang on, its just a guide after all :daumenhoch:
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Old / Mid / And new school are obsolete. Sticking to it forces all of BMX history to conform to three categories, and we all know BMX has been defined by more that 3 major shifts in its direction.
It should just be defined by the era, 70's, 80's, 90's, etc, etc.
Not a hope in hell that a 86 bike can sit along side a 2000 bike and both be called "mid".
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Old / Mid / And new school are obsolete. Sticking to it forces all of BMX history to conform to three categories, and we all know BMX has been defined by more that 3 major shifts in its direction.
It should just be defined by the era, 70's, 80's, 90's, etc, etc.
Not a hope in hell that a 86 bike can sit along side a 2000 bike and both be called "mid".
Just being pedantic but an 86 bike is classed as oldschool on here, not mid ;D
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Old / Mid / And new school are obsolete. Sticking to it forces all of BMX history to conform to three categories, and we all know BMX has been defined by more that 3 major shifts in its direction.
It should just be defined by the era, 70's, 80's, 90's, etc, etc.
Not a hope in hell that a 86 bike can sit along side a 2000 bike and both be called "mid".
I see where you are coming from but the term rough guide was used before which I think is right, Vintage, Old, Mid and New are just a rough guide really, in reality there's no such thing as any of them.
Work well if you lose the years, if you don't posts get moved around because they are in the wrong section.
Decades won't work either IMO, eg, 2 bikes exact same model one '79 and the other on '81 have to go in different sections.
Personally I hate to see posts moved unless they are blatantly wrong.
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...but Ed will keep on nagging then :-\
Does anybody really listen to Ed? :LolLolLolLol:
I fooking hope not ;D
I propose a new catagory ... 'Ed School' ... its just got Auburns & Wilkersons in :daumenhoch: maybe a Pork 8)
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Does it matter there all cracking builds :) although I would say 09:42 14th march 1987 is the start of mid school
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drink women drugs period. :slayer:
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ski school
driving school
Girlschool
This is a serious issue!
'Experts : The UK has too many types of school'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/experts-uk-has-too-many-types-of-school-2352191.html
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Old school : 1inch threaded headset, caliper only brake and pre 2000
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in another 50 years time all these defining era's will be classed as old school, but by then non of us will give a fook....
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but by then non of us will give a fook....
How true but TBH I don't give a fook now!
Bru :daumenhoch:
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:2funny: :daumenhoch:
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And you two are in charge ;D
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We are many things......but in charge? No ;D
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Fookin 86 mid school :2funny: :2funny:
Actually checking back through the midschool age threads, it was decided by the members on here that midschool was to start at 1987.
On the other big forums midschool is as follows:
Vintagebmx 1986
RADBMX 1987
BMX Society 1988
OZBMX 1990's
Dordy made a couple of good points on FB, first one was ask someone into mid school when it started they'd say 90's.
Stidds you're saying it was voted on by Radsters, I say the vote was a done deal because if you ask most Radsters when old school ended and they'd say 86-87, up until recently I would have agreed with that because that's when it stopped for me and probably the majority of Radsters, on the other hand my younger brother and his mates were riding old school BMX up until around 90 and they were old school bikes, in reality BMX was dying and continued to do so until around 90 then enter Hoffman and rider owned companies.
Second point Dordy made was why do we need to be guided by the US sites as they are full of shit, I totally agree with that.
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its like arguing when rave started or when the reniassance finished. it is different for different people . so in short there is no right answer only a point in time that has to exist to run the category in show and shine
so , you decide and the category exists to make it possible to run the event
such is life
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its like arguing when rave started or when the reniassance finished. it is different for different people . so in short there is no right answer only a point in time that has to exist to run the category in show and shine
so , you decide and the category exists to make it possible to run the event
such is life
That kinda sums it up Rich ... I can live with that 👍
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Dordy made a couple of good points on FB, first one was ask someone into mid school when it started they'd say 90's.
Stidds you're saying it was voted on by Radsters, I say the vote was a done deal because if you ask most Radsters when old school ended and they'd say 86-87, up until recently I would have agreed with that because that's when it stopped for me and probably the majority of Radsters, on the other hand my younger brother and his mates were riding old school BMX up until around 90 and they were old school bikes, in reality BMX was dying and continued to do so until around 90 then enter Hoffman and rider owned companies.
Second point Dordy made was why do we need to be guided by the US sites as they are full of shit, I totally agree with that.
See this is the problem, different people say different dates, who is right and who is wrong? If the mid-schoolers all say opposing years then what chance is there.
Just because somebody thinks that he wants it as 90- doesn't make it correct, it just makes it that persons opinion.
To be perfectly honest I don't know why I am arguing as I originally set the midschool section up as 1990-2000 and people moaned about the dates then, now it seems I may have been right... who'd have thunk it eh?
As for agreeing with the American's, maybe it is not so much we are agreeing with them, more like all 3 sites are in agreement. If vintage/society/RADBMX members (remember it is the member who chose not admin) all think that mid-school starts 86/87/88 then maybe that is roughly where it began.
As the saying goes if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then maybe it really is a fooking duck.
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Poor ole stidds gets it every time over this lol.
You should have left it as it was Sean. You were right after all :nuts:
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Poor ole stidds gets it every time over this lol.
You should have left it as it was Sean. You were right after all :nuts:
Its crazy Dave, I actually did get it right, I am going to change it to 95-97 that will sort the men out from the boys :LolLolLolLol:
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its like arguing when rave started or when the reniassance finished. it is different for different people . so in short there is no right answer only a point in time that has to exist to run the category in show and shine so , you decide and the category exists to make it possible to run the event
such is life
I agree with you totally and to that end I think the sections should be just given names on the site because they are vague and defined in years at MK for the S&S.
Dordy made a couple of good points on FB, first one was ask someone into mid school when it started they'd say 90's.
Stidds you're saying it was voted on by Radsters, I say the vote was a done deal because if you ask most Radsters when old school ended and they'd say 86-87, up until recently I would have agreed with that because that's when it stopped for me and probably the majority of Radsters, on the other hand my younger brother and his mates were riding old school BMX up until around 90 and they were old school bikes, in reality BMX was dying and continued to do so until around 90 then enter Hoffman and rider owned companies.
Second point Dordy made was why do we need to be guided by the US sites as they are full of shit, I totally agree with that.
See this is the problem, different people say different dates, who is right and who is wrong? If the mid-schoolers all say opposing years then what chance is there.
Just because somebody thinks that he wants it as 90- doesn't make it correct, it just makes it that persons opinion.
To be perfectly honest I don't know why I am arguing as I originally set the midschool section up as 1990-2000 and people moaned about the dates then, now it seems I may have been right... who'd have thunk it eh?
As for agreeing with the American's, maybe it is not so much we are agreeing with them, more like all 3 sites are in agreement. If vintage/society/RADBMX members (remember it is the member who chose not admin) all think that mid-school starts 86/87/88 then maybe that is roughly where it began.
As the saying goes if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then maybe it really is a fooking duck.
Yeah, you were right on the start date although it stretches past the millenium by a couple of years and that seems to be the general concensus amongst mid-shoolers in fact if you look in the section you'll see bikes from the early 2000's.
Alright so we didn't follow the Americans, it was the vote which IMHO was flawed but do we have to be the same as them? The BMXsociety certainly know their stuff about vintage and old school but I don't think the same applies about mid-school or even OS freestyle for that matter, content on their sites clearly reflects that.
Never been on vintage heard on here it was shit so never bothered.
Just because it's born in a stable doesn't mean it's a horse.
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Just because it's born in a stable doesn't mean it's a horse.
Oooh I like that one, top quoting Sir :daumenhoch: :4_17_5:
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What the fook happens after new school? :LolLolLolLol: it'll be like the millennium bug.
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Just because it's born in a stable doesn't mean it's a horse.
Oooh I like that one, top quoting Sir :daumenhoch: :4_17_5:
Cheers, don't think I got it word for word though :LolLolLolLol:
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What the fook happens after new school? :LolLolLolLol: it'll be like the millennium bug.
that'll be newest school = 2010 onwards ..according to dordy's theory . simple, manageable, consistent.
bashguards and threadless forks are then rather characteristics than definitions of the categories.
good discussion! ^"^
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the only one's that say mid school as 87 were the ones that quit riding around then, for those of us who never quit would say 89-90. :police:
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the only one's that say mid school as 87 were the ones that quit riding around then, for those of us who never quit would say 89-90. :police:
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Well that is no help John, is it 89 or 90? This is always the problem for one it is 87 or 88, but for you it is 89 or 90. However for others it is 1" headsets and caliper brakes but there are 1994 bikes with 1" and caliper brakes, so did midschool not start until 1994?
So you see the problem, nobody is able to agree a year or a standard to run to.
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What the fook happens after new school? :LolLolLolLol: it'll be like the millennium bug.
that'll be newest school = 2010 onwards ..according to dordy's theory . simple, manageable, consistent.
bashguards and threadless forks are then rather characteristics than definitions of the categories.
good discussion! ^"^
Old school = 1inch threaded headset, caliper only brake and pre 2000, everything else is contemporary BMX, until the next major change in design n tech outdates what at present recognised as the norm
and anyway, does it reeeeeeeally fookin matter as long as you can find what yer lookin for :)
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I would say if you read back most the replies and yours our stidds 1990 is what the majority say.
I gotta be honest I thought when the vote thing happened it was 1990 that came out on top.
But saying that I can't remember yesterday so take no notice of me :crazy2:
I just find it funny that later streetbeats gt and them trickstar 2 things can be classed as mid school in the show and shine along side of standard/s&m/2hip/Hoffman etc.
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I didn't vote for the date but somebody did....
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,163914.0.html
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Dans only happy about it as the Pratt has a maddog.
Not that I want it or anything :whistle:
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the only one's that say mid school as 87 were the ones that quit riding around then, for those of us who never quit would say 89-90. :police:
:daumenhoch: Yup. I'm right with you on that one.
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the only one's that say mid school as 87 were the ones that quit riding around then, for those of us who never quit would say 89-90. :police:
:daumenhoch: Yup. I'm right with you on that one.
Well that's a load of bollocks cos I didn't quit and I think '87's about right - so na-na-na-na-naaaaaaa.
(personally couldn't give a toss really)