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Events => Events => Topic started by: stidds on May 20, 2014, 10:50 PM
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We have been discussing things between the admin/mods and have decided that the Show and Shine judging at MK14 (and subsequent years) will no longer be picked by admin, it will be picked and judged by you the members of Radbmx®.
What I propose in this thread is:
a) outline the job and what it entails.
b) take nominations or volunteers for the job
c) if somebody is nominated then I would like that person to accept or refuse the nomination in this thread.
d) we will then run a poll/vote to see who the (un)lucky judges are
I hope that makes sense.
The reason that I would like the person nominated to accept in this thread is because it is not an easy job and I do not want it thrust on somebody who really doesn't fancy the task ahead.
So here we go
a) Judging can be tricky, you will have approx 1000 BMX's to look at, study and decide which ones are worthy of a prize or mention (medal).
Anybody who has judged a S&S concours competition before whether that is BMX or cars, motorbikes etc, will know what an emense task it can be. You start off thinking I am not going to be really anal about era correct parts etc, however you then find you have 4 or 5 bikes almost identical, so you then have to get anal about parts on the bike, simply because you HAVE to be able to differentiate between them to get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.
Therefore a big requirement will be a good/solid knowledge of original parts vs repo parts, ages and era's of parts, OG finish vs refinished etc etc etc. You honestly will start obsessing over the age of a brake cable.
This also leads me to the next bit, the judging of the S&S will and does take up a lot of your Sunday afternoon. We usually close the S&S entry about 12pm and then judging needs to start as it has to be completed by the end of the days racing so the prizes can be given out.
I am not trying to make the job sound hard or over play it at all and I am not trying to put anybody off of judging it, I just want you to know exactly what you are letting yourself into.
There will be enough ex-judges/admin/mods around to help in any way we can with any queries/questions etc, so you will not be on your own.
When the final judges have been decided then we (royal we as in admin) will then make sure we liaise and make things as easy to judge as we can, we will supply the marking sheets and also if you need some dogs bodies then we will make sure you have whatever is needed.
So that leads us onto the next part.....
b) Volunteers and nominations, have a read of the above again, then put names forward in this thread ONLY.
I will keep an eye on things and of course message me (or any admin/mod) if you need any clarification of what is required.
I would say that if you do nominate somebody then let them now they have been nominated and point them in the direction of this thread. I will not include anybody in the vote/poll that has not accepted the nomination as it is just not fair.
We need 3-5 judges for this task, that can be 3-5 judges to judge everything or we can have specialised judges for each S&S category, which would mean less time judging and more time enjoying MK.
It really is up to you guys how it is done.
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I nominate mr hunterdubber of anybody to me he's the Jedi master he's OCD on era correctness and he knows his onions
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I nominate mr hunterdubber of anybody to me he's the Jedi master he's OCD on era correctness and he knows his onions
And I 2nd this. :daumenhoch:
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I would like to nominate Mike, Grab on Kid, to be a judge. This guy really knows old school. He lived it, breathed it, and still does :)
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i nominate Midschooljon he really knows his stuff and what era correctness is all about (his own builds are all spot on)
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Sawzall for me, no one knows his way around a bike than Phil, dubber is another guy who would make a cracking judge even if he needs help getting upto the grips n seat.
Also fat Sam Met, he is away dogging for Mk, but if it's 82 to 84 there ain't much Sam don't know.....apart from Camo pads
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I nominate mr hunterdubber of anybody to me he's the Jedi master he's OCD on era correctness and he knows his onions
And I 2nd this. :daumenhoch:
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An extremely difficult job no doubt about it. Any thoughts for having judges for specific categories as a mid school expert may struggle with vintage etc :)
And yes for Mike :daumenhoch:
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An extremely difficult job no doubt about it. Any thoughts for having judges for specific categories as a mid school expert may struggle with vintage etc :)
And yes for Mike :daumenhoch:
I was thinking along those lines also Ash, I don't mind how it is done as long as the decisions are made.
So of course specific judges for categories would also benefit as each judge wouldn't have to spend so long judging.
Thanks Ash, I have updated the original post to reflect this.
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An extremely difficult job no doubt about it. Any thoughts for having judges for specific categories as a mid school expert may struggle with vintage etc :)
And yes for Mike :daumenhoch:
I was thinking along those lines also Ash, I don't mind how it is done as long as the decisions are made.
So of course specific judges for categories would also benefit as each judge wouldn't have to spend so long judging.
Thanks Ash, I have updated the original post to reflect this.
2 - 3 per category, can't vote for their own bike etc but will be able to watch some of the racing which is a massive bonus.
It will help to speed things up for sure, the only issue I can see is all the separate judges deciding on bike of the show. :-\
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Steve69
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Midschool Jon, :daumenhoch:
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Steve69
steve69. under the radar, but knows his stuff.. Plus he's given up smoking and looks like a judge on a cake stall.. :daumenhoch:
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Hunter dubber and Radman
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Animal, Sawsall, Dordy, Steve69,
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some great shouts :daumenhoch:
good luck to whoever does it as it really is a thankless task.
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Steve Animal , Phil Sawzall , Hunterdubber , and i know Joff really really wants to do it too . so theres 4 names for the hat :daumenhoch:
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Steve Animal , Phil Sawzall , Hunterdubber , and i know Joff really really wants to do it too . so theres 4 names for the hat :daumenhoch:
No he doesn't !!! :knuppel2: Thanks for that Lenny ::)
Dubber , Phil Sawzall , Steve 69 , Mike all great shouts imo, Southern Andy knows his stuff aswell .
Steve Animal!! ..... have you seen what this guy looks like Sunday morning at MK .... he's lucky if he can focus on a marquee let alone a bike :crazy2:
Only joking Steve :-*
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All great shouts and nominations, but unless you get the person you have nominated to accept that nomination in this thread, it will be a useless nomination.
As I said I will not just thrust this job onto somebody who doesn't want it, they have to be happy to do it and understand what it entails.
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Glynn & Woody would do a good job ;)
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Stidds and Bubbs :daumenhoch:
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Glynn & Woody would do a good job ;)
Definitely Glynn.
Joff's would be a good judge too, IMHO. :daumenhoch:
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remember guys, it's no good just banging up peoples names. if you have a name in mind, have a word with that person and if they are okay with it then put them up in the thread :daumenhoch:
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I really appreciate the thought Paul & dan but after doing it for three years at the bb events I realise exactly what's involved.
I like to go round & gently soak up the BMX loveliness at my leisure whilst chatting to guys without the feeling of any pressure.
The judging is a high pressure job. It was for around 130 burners never mind the delites we have at MK.
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I really appreciate the thought Paul & dan but after doing it for three years at the bb events I realise exactly what's involved.
I like to go round & gently soak up the BMX loveliness at my leisure whilst chatting to guys without the feeling of any pressure.
The judging is a high pressure job. It was for around 130 burners never mind the delites we have at MK.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Now that is a comment from a man that has been there, done that and is not going anywhere near it again in the future.
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you'll never make a salesman Sean ;D
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Your right though Sean :LolLolLolLol:
I'm glad I didn't struggle getting my feeling across. Lol.
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Your right though Sean :LolLolLolLol:
I'm glad I didn't struggle getting my feeling across. Lol.
I had to read between the lines a bit Glynn, you did waffle and beat about the bush (ooh err) a bit mate :LolLolLolLol:
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you'll never make a salesman Sean ;D
Thats a shame as I am not a very good driving instructor either Rob :LolLolLolLol:
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:LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
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Joff, hunterdubber glenyboy... :4_17_5:
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I'd go along with all that have been mentioned .. Andy , Glynn , Joff , Woddy , Sawzall .
Mary p could be have an outside chance .. Polish the fook out you bike and it's won :whistle:
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Thanks for the mentions lads but im not interested , like Rob said earlier ..... a thankless task .
I have done it all before with the Ford RS owners club , judging concours cars and tbh i got fed up of all the moaning etc that comes with being a judge . I am also helping JT on his stand again .
I'll be there to help set up , take down and clear up on the Sunday evening but judging really doesn't appeal .
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great to hear that JT will be bringing his stall again Joff, might pick myself up another Panda :daumenhoch:
And thanks for all the help clearing and stuff, much appreciated :4_17_5:
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great to hear that JT will be bringing his stall again Joff, might pick myself up another Panda :daumenhoch:
And thanks for all the help clearing and stuff, much appreciated :4_17_5:
I doubt there will be another Panda ..... took two of us to lift it out the van last year :shocked: :D
You did a great job on it though Rob 8) JT will be there with the ''Shiner's of the North'' and no worries on helping clear up etc ........ i'll even do the beer run again with Carl and Dave if needs be !! :)
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Im happy to have a crack at judging. I do plan to enter a few bikes though, so as long as everyone knows that and is happy with it Im happy to be considered. :daumenhoch:
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Im happy to have a crack at judging. I do plan to enter a few bikes though, so as long as everyone knows that and is happy with it Im happy to be considered. :daumenhoch:
Thanks Jon, what we do with our own bikes is not judge or vote on them.
When I did this a couple of years ago, when the we the judges got to my bikes, I simply walked away so they could have a look without me anywhere near. Also when we were looking at placing bikes in 1st, 2nd and 3rd and one of my bikes was in contention, again I would walk the other way so I had no say in the result.
You should indeed be able to enter your own bikes even if you are judging, lets face it we all do this out of love for the sport/hobby. We are only human.
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Brettypeeps has a vast knowledge of Freestylers, and is very anal with his builds and era's, so I'm nominating him. :daumenhoch:
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Brettypeeps has a vast knowledge of Freestylers, and is very anal with his builds and era's, so I'm nominating him. :daumenhoch:
I will judge freestyle no problem :)
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Brettypeeps has a vast knowledge of Freestylers, and is very anal with his builds and era's, so I'm nominating him. :daumenhoch:
I will judge freestyle no problem :)
There we go, sorted. :4_17_5:
Get his name down before he changes his mind Sean. :LolLolLolLol:
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As per Joff and Carl's nomination......
I'd be happy with assistance from others in Old school race, pits and street..
BUT................
I know nothing of Mid/new or Freestyle so i'd have to bail on these categories i'm afraid. Others would have to do these.
I won't judge Cruisers neither as i'll be entering one this year for the first time ever.
Happy to help anyhow. :)
I think.
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Out of 3 people i have PM'd asking if i can nominate them , one hasn't replied as yet , one said no and one ........ cue drum roll ...... he said YES !! but no freestylers :D .
That man is Southern Andy :4_17_5:
Edit ..... just seen your post above Andy :D
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Maybe there needs to be a list on page 1 of all the categories and judges names next to it :)
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Maybe there needs to be a list on page 1 of all the categories and judges names next to it ..... this will make it easier for members to PM the judge in question with offers of bribes and sexual favours before the event .
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: "nono"
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Or be targeted for random bumming on the Heli pad in Spens 4am club :LolLolLolLol:
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JOFF nuff said :daumenhoch:
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JOFF nuff said :daumenhoch:
Thanks for the mentions lads but im not interested , like Rob said earlier ..... a thankless task .
I have done it all before with the Ford RS owners club , judging concours cars and tbh i got fed up of all the moaning etc that comes with being a judge . I am also helping JT on his stand again .
I'll be there to help set up , take down and clear up on the Sunday evening but judging really doesn't appeal .
I think Joff was clear enough in his earlier post.
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Just an idea...........
as judging often causes controversy ... why not have a tent / area for each category . hang a number on each bike 1 - what ever. have a voting box in each tent/area. each radster gets 1 vote in each tent. that way the people chose the winner . no one can argue the toss then . like i say just an idea. :daumenhoch:
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Just an idea...........
as judging often causes controversy ... why not have a tent / area for each category . hang a number on each bike 1 - what ever. have a voting box in each tent/area. each radster gets 1 vote in each tent. that way the people chose the winner . no one can argue the toss then . like i say just an idea. :daumenhoch:
We did that a few years ago, we had a radsters vote for bike of the show and somebody stole a load of the voting slips and used them to rig the vote.
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Just an idea...........
as judging often causes controversy ... why not have a tent / area for each category . hang a number on each bike 1 - what ever. have a voting box in each tent/area. each radster gets 1 vote in each tent. that way the people chose the winner . no one can argue the toss then . like i say just an idea. :daumenhoch:
We did that a few years ago, we had a radsters vote for bike of the show and somebody stole a load of the voting slips and used them to rig the vote.
What a c*nt!!!
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Ilegidly ;)
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Ilegidly ;)
What?
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Ok, i've been thinking about this and i'm not too keen on being a judge now. I feel there are better people than me for this job.
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Thanks for the votes guys,it's really appreciated but I only made it to MK12 for a few hours & pissed that i missed it last year so wanna experience the whole weekend vibe.Also hopefully I'll be having a go at racing if i can get a ride together.I'll defo think about it for next year though if needed or voted for.
Cheers,Mike :daumenhoch:
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Allegedly ;)
What?
That's better
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Spen69 gets my vote for OS stuff, along with Steve Animal :daumenhoch:
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Guys, although I agree a lot of names listed would be great judges, its no good just putting up names for votes.
If you think someone would be good, ask them first and if they agree then put them up in here.
Otherwise its pointless :daumenhoch:
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Guys, although I agree a lot of names listed would be great judges, its no good just putting up names for votes.
If you think someone would be good, ask them first and if they agree then put them up in here.
Otherwise its pointless :daumenhoch:
Rob, I know what you're saying about consulting people, but at the same time, I'm sure the people that are getting mentioned in this thread are reading this and are really appreciating the thought that people consider them worthy enough.
It's also jogging people to second the nomination too.
They can always say no, or luckily yes as in Brett's case. :daumenhoch:
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do some people really get arsey when they don't win? never been to mk but if i would like to be a judge, jury and executioner there. you should have a deadline of 10 minutes to judge a category and pick a winner, that way the judges would have time to enjoy the rest of the weekend and get pished. >:D
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Someone entered a bike with no chain or seat and got the proper ass as they didn't win
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do some people really get arsey when they don't win?
Hell yes!! Bit sad really that IMO :crazy2:
Bru :daumenhoch:
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I'd feel honoured to judge mid school. As someone who still breaths the ethos of midschool
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I'd feel honoured to judge mid school. As someone who still breaths the ethos of midschool
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That's the attitude needed to be a judge :daumenhoch:
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I personally think the best way was like a few years back when people jotted down what they think should win for what category on a slip of paper then pop it in the box as some people then cannot lean towards their favourite make of bmx-just my opinion :daumenhoch:
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I personally think the best way was like a few years back when people jotted down what they think should win for what category on a slip of paper then pop it in the box as some people then cannot lean towards their favourite make of bmx-just my opinion :daumenhoch:
As I put a couple of posts ago, that won't work because.......
We did that a few years ago, we had a radsters vote for bike of the show and somebody stole a load of the voting slips and used them to rig the vote.
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:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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I personally think the best way was like a few years back when people jotted down what they think should win for what category on a slip of paper then pop it in the box as some people then cannot lean towards their favourite make of bmx-just my opinion :daumenhoch:
As I put a couple of posts ago, that won't work because.......
We did that a few years ago, we had a radsters vote for bike of the show and somebody stole a load of the voting slips and used them to rig the vote.
oh ok mate fair point :daumenhoch: still does not stop people leaning towards their fav brand,bike or mates bike though does it :-\ give the slips out maybe say 1 for each cat = say 7 cats=7 slips per person-if people are going to "cheat" they will always find a way around it I suppose :-[
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the logistics of giving out forms to people , counting making sure people do not cheat etc is way more work than people realise , and as we all want to enjoy the day will mean it is not an option to allow voting etc.
Great in principal , nightmare in reality
as we can see with the lack of acceptance not many people want to take it on. So to all those who have complained about the judging in the past, accused us of cheating and being disonhest please step up and put your time where your very large and annoying mouth is! if not , shut the fook up.
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so now it's only MS: midschooljon and Philbert......? FS: brettypeeps and....? OS race: ....?
Looks like at least 3 more honourable judges needed for the main cats :coolsmiley: (if 2 - 3 per category as Ash suggested) ...or one or two more (according to Stidd's 3-5 "judges to judge everything" idea).
...and i support the Phil Sawza draft ....and Olé Esteban aka Animal :yahoo_silent: and suggest bodamus for FS
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I can help out for Mid School if we need three a cat :daumenhoch:
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Just a few questions,how long would the judging take for one category like OS race & would it be possible to race & judge on the sunday or is it a choice of one or the other?
Also what is the full list of categories?
Cheers,Mike :daumenhoch:
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I don't think you'd be able to give both the time they need
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Mike I think the categories are something like
Vintage
OS Race
OS Freestyle
OS Cruiser
OS Street
MS Race
MS Freestyle
New School
Could be others but from memory it's something like that.
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I don't think you'd be able to give both the time they need
I think you could if you were the judge of the Vintage / cruiser / mini categories where's there's fewer entries but no way if it's the OS race/street/freestyle sections.
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needed to bump this thread again. does anyone want to be a judge? ???
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offered on't last page to help with mid school Rob - could do NS as well but fooked for OS :daumenhoch:
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Yeah that's cool Danny, just seeing if we can encourage anyone else :daumenhoch:
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Yeah that's cool Danny, just seeing if we can encourage anyone else :daumenhoch:
Brett was happy to do it Rob. :daumenhoch:
Can we have list on page 1 on this thread.
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2 b honest I have been mulling it over a bit ::) I want 2 b don't wanna over commit u c :shocked: If u ask me on Sun morning and I'm on it I will help out 4 defo. Might even rope in my partner in crime 8)