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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: ED209 on June 03, 2014, 10:53 AM
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So what is a survivor?
obviously a 'found complete' bike that has been cleaned rather than 'restored' for starters.
But what about bikes built with 'survivor' frames and a mix of new / survivor parts? is that still a survivor?
Can a survivor have any NOS parts?
Whats the thinking on this?
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I see them as either a complete as found or built with used parts, nothing nos on a survivor for me.
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A Survivor to me would have a used original finish
(i.e. no new parts and definitely NO rechromed/polished/reanno/repaint :police:)
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I would say a true survivor is a complete and original uncleaned bike.
A 'survivor build' should be an original used condition Frame and Forks with your choice of used era correct parts in a similar condition to that of the FF.
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I totally agree with Steve and Ben. Perfect description's of a 'survivor' build :daumenhoch:
Every part was used prior to me getting it to build this.
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j406/Londonhellboy/JMC/20140111_144540_zps1e04af8e.jpg) (http://s1084.photobucket.com/user/Londonhellboy/media/JMC/20140111_144540_zps1e04af8e.jpg.html)
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What about a bike built entirely from NOS parts, but when you ride it you sing 'Eye of the Tiger' at the top of your voice?
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What about a bike built entirely from NOS parts, but when you ride it you sing 'Eye of the Tiger' at the top of your voice?
I'd say that's half survivor half NOS build :-\
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Woooo I like that!
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What about a bike built entirely from NOS parts, but when you ride it you sing 'Eye of the Tiger' at the top of your voice?
but surely once you've used the parts to build the bike and then ridden it it's no longer NOS? ;) ;D
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They're only nos once they've been over polished, put on a show bike or powdered Rob.
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fook i've got it all wrong then :-\
thanks for the clarification though Ash :daumenhoch:
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What about a bike built entirely from NOS parts, but when you ride it you sing 'Eye of the Tiger' at the top of your voice?
but surely once you've used the parts to build the bike and then ridden it it's no longer NOS? ;) ;D
It then becomes NOS prior to being unpacked , fitted , ridden around various city's/BMX tracks sold to 3 or 4 different owners , polished or re anno'd and fitted again !!
Matt Swivel is the guy to speak to regarding NOS .... 'New Old School' wasn't it :D :LolLolLolLol:
What's happened to Matt by the way :-\
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:LolLolLolLol: Matt's still about as far as i know Joff, just very busy with work i think ???
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It doesn't matter Ed, even a NOS bike would be suvivor after you threw it half way around a skatepark like you do every time we ride :LolLolLolLol:
Survivor = as original as possible. I would still class something as suvivor if it had aftermarket parts on it if they were from the era and the owner BITD had changed them. Let's face it, how many of us created bald patches on our Compe3's doing skids on a buckled rim :2funny:
I bought a US made Haro Master last year with a proper multicolour swapshop of green, red, blue and white parts but they were what the guy had put on it between 84 and 86 when he rode it. Fast forward 28yrs and there it was in the back of his dad's shed..... suvivor :daumenhoch:
Nuff siad. Stop worrying Ed, just bang it together and ride it bud :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1: :2funny:
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thanks for your input Frodo :)
I was just wondering what people see as 'survivor'.
My Auburn and WAL are both original 'survivor' frames with battle scars and dints ... which I have built up with survivor parts and some NOS bits... on the WAL I had the forks rechromed as the originals were snapped and replaced. Things like cables and grips are NOS... but NOT as they are now on a bike thats being ridden.
I don't have regrets really ... but one of them may be not leaving this EXACTLY as I found it ... its just so much more interesting as a 'survivor' straight out the cellar
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i63/209ed/BMX/CIMG2503.jpg)
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As already said a survivor bike or survivor build is something with all used parts. No refinished parts. It can be taken apart, cleaned, greased, put back together and its still a survivor. :daumenhoch:
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Does this count? A complete survivor......pick it up on Saturday(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a498/pickle1970/IMG_7925_zpsvlzvbdin.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/pickle1970/media/IMG_7925_zpsvlzvbdin.jpg.html)(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a498/pickle1970/IMG_7790_zpsv2goji76.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/pickle1970/media/IMG_7790_zpsv2goji76.jpg.html)(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a498/pickle1970/IMG_9106_zps5qwhgvuv.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/pickle1970/media/IMG_9106_zps5qwhgvuv.jpg.html)(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a498/pickle1970/IMG_0798_zps6knytxsf.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/pickle1970/media/IMG_0798_zps6knytxsf.jpg.html)(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a498/pickle1970/IMG_7038_zpstqfdujpo.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/pickle1970/media/IMG_7038_zpstqfdujpo.jpg.html)(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a498/pickle1970/IMG_6702_zpszx7ltspv.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/pickle1970/media/IMG_6702_zpszx7ltspv.jpg.html)(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a498/pickle1970/IMG_1094_zpsadx3wgin.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/pickle1970/media/IMG_1094_zpsadx3wgin.jpg.html)
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Like this?
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx358/nickswan1/DSCF2712_zps14369a17.jpg) (http://s771.photobucket.com/user/nickswan1/media/DSCF2712_zps14369a17.jpg.html)
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx358/nickswan1/DSCF2716_zpsf517f195.jpg) (http://s771.photobucket.com/user/nickswan1/media/DSCF2716_zpsf517f195.jpg.html)
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx358/nickswan1/DSCF2717_zps3e7391a3.jpg) (http://s771.photobucket.com/user/nickswan1/media/DSCF2717_zps3e7391a3.jpg.html)
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx358/nickswan1/DSCF2718_zpsda6fc9e4.jpg) (http://s771.photobucket.com/user/nickswan1/media/DSCF2718_zpsda6fc9e4.jpg.html)
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Lovely nick :daumenhoch:
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Both of the above. :)
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survivor to me is original paint and age era parts . no polish parts , no new parts and no repainting of bits
i love survivors and would love to find more as love my original trickstar`s in original paint but for some reason everyone repaint`s the bloody things
pickle that a beauty and tidy that garage up ;)
that gt is awesome as well , love the rust on the headset
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cheers mate, that's not my garage ;D that's where it's currently sitting waiting to be dropped off at mine on Saturday afternoon :)
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Here is a Haro Sport survivor I picked up from Dom:
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg145/KanerBurner/31D29C26-8C7D-4E05-B853-7FEABF807FA8-737-0000006B0346B10B_zps84c68990.jpg)
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Classic Ben :daumenhoch:
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Interesting post (and some great-looking "survivors")! A survivor for me is a bike that's in the same condition now, that it was bitd. My Trident is therefore a legitimate example, as I've not replaced anything on it for at least 20 years! I would also consider my Laserlite frameset a survivor but as it's going to be my rider, I'm going to run it with NOS brake pads, repro Knarler Knobbies and a repro (and slightly thicker than og) Nitto seatpost. I therefore guess it's going to lose its "survivor" tag, though hopefully it'll be a bit safer to ride! :daumenhoch:
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And this, still has shop sticker on it.
Rare as. Only one other on the Museum. :daumenhoch:
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx358/nickswan1/DSCF2810_zps29de7f04.jpg) (http://s771.photobucket.com/user/nickswan1/media/DSCF2810_zps29de7f04.jpg.html)
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx358/nickswan1/DSCF2820_zpsd006f4a2.jpg) (http://s771.photobucket.com/user/nickswan1/media/DSCF2820_zpsd006f4a2.jpg.html)
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Survivor, Original Paint, decals and most of the parts from 84. :)
(http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/AREA51ROSWELL/IMGP6642_zps7eafc225.jpg) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/AREA51ROSWELL/media/IMGP6642_zps7eafc225.jpg.html)[
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Complete ZL survivor still with cycle shop sticker on and as rare as a rare thing....
(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r604/J44NCG/CW%20ZL/CWZL1_zpsa32f853f.jpg) (http://s1174.photobucket.com/user/J44NCG/media/CW%20ZL/CWZL1_zpsa32f853f.jpg.html)
(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r604/J44NCG/CW%20ZL/CWZLPRO10_zpsaa301558.jpg) (http://s1174.photobucket.com/user/J44NCG/media/CW%20ZL/CWZLPRO10_zpsaa301558.jpg.html)
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Those survivors are looking far too spick and span for my liking! ;) Here's a pic of my grubby old Trident - the last change to which I reckon would have been the tyres, possibly back in the 90s. Otherwise it's a mishmash of parts that I put on it back in 1983/4:-
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/Trident393/Trident%20BMX/DSC02095.jpg) (http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/Trident393/media/Trident%20BMX/DSC02095.jpg.html)
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Liking the Trident, something different. :)
quote "Wanted: Top tube Laserlite decal!" Try Del on here for decals, or email him. :daumenhoch:
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Schwinnnnn
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v521/fischflo/Scrambler.jpg)
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Two survivers here :chin: a black 1983 GT pro and a chrome 1986 GT cruiser :coolsmiley:
I think that the way it is like its driven bitd ;) is having the surviver status :daumenhoch:
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa366/renken2000/gtbmx001_zps308acf0c.jpg) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/renken2000/media/gtbmx001_zps308acf0c.jpg.html)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa366/renken2000/gtbmx002_zpsd9b62df7.jpg) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/renken2000/media/gtbmx002_zpsd9b62df7.jpg.html)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa366/renken2000/gtbmx003_zpsd0dfe030.jpg) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/renken2000/media/gtbmx003_zpsd0dfe030.jpg.html)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa366/renken2000/gtbmx004_zps908e36c1.jpg) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/renken2000/media/gtbmx004_zps908e36c1.jpg.html)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa366/renken2000/gtbmx005_zps895cef46.jpg) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/renken2000/media/gtbmx005_zps895cef46.jpg.html)
:daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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I would say my master is a survivor build as the frame forks seat post clamp and cranks plus skyways with coaster original to bike from 84 when it was new unfortunately this was stolen in the late 80s I didnt want costers so I swapped them out for a set of.50 50 from a shed find super tuff burner , then all the other bits I bought from here and other sources they are all non cleaned survivor parts apart from maybe the calipers which I also bought from here (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/12/guhusu7u.jpg)
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I've got a cool one on it's way.. ;)
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A true definition of a 'survivor' bike is.....
Whatever makes it back from a London ride :coolsmiley:
:LolLolLolLol: