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Title: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: Retrodan72 on July 15, 2014, 08:20 PM
I'll admit, I'm not a big fan of anything pre '83, as I didn't get into BMX until then, so don't remember anything about it.

That being said, I've got a big respect and appreciation for these bikes, standing the test of time, and more respect for you guys that restore them and hang out for era correct parts. These bikes were the front runners for the bikes that came later on, that I loved.

So....who's got the oldest?

Lets see them, conplete's or frames.

How low can you go?
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: Bigfrawg on July 15, 2014, 08:51 PM
My guess is ash or stidds
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 15, 2014, 09:44 PM
I'd say Sean's stingray is the oldest bike.

There's a few with early Geese 77 onwards,  the earliest I have is a 75 Webco.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: Retrodan72 on July 15, 2014, 09:46 PM
I'd say Sean's stingray is the oldest bike.

There's a few with early Geese 77 onwards,  the earliest I have is a 75 Webco.

Is '75 regarded as the first year of BMX then Ash?
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: stidds on July 15, 2014, 10:17 PM
My Stingray is from 1970 my LRV and R&R are from 1976.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: In2bmx on July 15, 2014, 11:03 PM
76 Redline is the best I an do .
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 15, 2014, 11:13 PM
I'd say Sean's stingray is the oldest bike.

There's a few with early Geese 77 onwards,  the earliest I have is a 75 Webco.

Is '75 regarded as the first year of BMX then Ash?

November 1970 was the first official BMX race held in California in a Motorcross track. The original event was organised by the OM under his newly formed B.U.M.S  ( Bicycle United Motocross Society ).

Most raced on converted stingrays etc.

From memory the first Looptail BMX was a Redline, Jeff Haney obviously owns that one.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 15, 2014, 11:20 PM
Jeff's, Ricks Bike Shop Redline 1973.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/16/paqa3e9e.jpg)

Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: GRAB ON KID on July 15, 2014, 11:25 PM
I'd say Sean's stingray is the oldest bike.

There's a few with early Geese 77 onwards,  the earliest I have is a 75 Webco.

Ooh did someone say Webco?   :LolLolLolLol: Ash,you kept that one quiet dude.Any pics?   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: GRAB ON KID on July 15, 2014, 11:29 PM
That RBS Redline is killer!  :smitten:
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 15, 2014, 11:51 PM
I'd say Sean's stingray is the oldest bike.

There's a few with early Geese 77 onwards,  the earliest I have is a 75 Webco.

Ooh did someone say Webco?   :LolLolLolLol: Ash,you kept that one quiet dude.Any pics?   :popcorn:

First my DG then the Webco  :LolLolLolLol:  you'll be wanting the Dan Gurney after that  :whistle:  :LolLolLolLol:
I'll have a root around for some pics Mike  :daumenhoch: I don't have the mags for it though, missed out on a few sets over the years and the $1000 starting price usually puts me off.
And year Jeff's bike is amazing.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: stidds on July 15, 2014, 11:55 PM
For my next build, when I can be bothered to build it I have a 1975 A&A, I just need to start putting some parts on it.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: dinglem on July 16, 2014, 12:07 AM
The Stingray frame I've posted about in the Vintage section is 70-71 at the latest. It has no serial no. stamping on the head tube and I have read they were stamped there from late 71 onwards. I am back home tomorrow night so can hopefully date it then. By the current state of it though I'd put it down as pre-Ark.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 16, 2014, 12:10 AM
Which gone for a Shocker ?. Interesting frames.

Fingers crossed I'll be working on a 76 DeCoster soon.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: GRAB ON KID on July 16, 2014, 12:59 AM
Yeah just remembered that's  JP's  OG RL looptail. Doh!  :pilky:
I thought it looked familiar, I remember reading about this years ago.Used in the old Redline ad w/JP tucked & bombing it.It couldn't get any cooler now.Jeff has the grail then for loopies & RL.No surprise there!

What a wicked shot too!  ROOTS !!!!  :slayer:
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z412/mx67/torkerdmg/JP_zpsdbc17e5c.jpg) (http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/mx67/media/torkerdmg/JP_zpsdbc17e5c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: fischflo on July 16, 2014, 01:16 AM
I'd say Sean's stingray is the oldest bike.

There's a few with early Geese 77 onwards,  the earliest I have is a 75 Webco.

Is '75 regarded as the first year of BMX then Ash?

"The first Schwinn BMX-specific bicycle came out in 1975 (The Scrambler) so you know things were well on their way years prior to the largest bicycle manufacturer in the world coming out with their version."
"Since 1975 was the first year a BMX bicycle was available on a wide geographic scale, we'll use that as a rough starting point for "old school BMX"." (http://dirtysow.com/Eras_of_BMX_Defined.html)
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: Spen69 on July 16, 2014, 06:42 AM
OMFG that Redline is amazing "wantit"

'78 for me. Full chromo Team Mongoose, an early one from the first year they made them :smitten:

And no Ash, it's still not for sale as there is still air in my lungs to ride it :2funny: :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: pickle on July 16, 2014, 08:00 AM
Yeah just remembered that's  JP's  OG RL looptail. Doh!  :pilky:
I thought it looked familiar, I remember reading about this years ago.Used in the old Redline ad w/JP tucked & bombing it.It couldn't get any cooler now.Jeff has the grail then for loopies & RL.No surprise there!

What a wicked shot too!  ROOTS !!!!  :slayer:
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z412/mx67/torkerdmg/JP_zpsdbc17e5c.jpg) (http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/mx67/media/torkerdmg/JP_zpsdbc17e5c.jpg.html)

how fooking awesome is that picture!  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: Devilock on July 16, 2014, 09:20 AM
BMX is 44 years old...?!
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: bigfatolly on July 16, 2014, 05:07 PM
Is it me or is the front wheel on that Redline in the action shot a Motomag?
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 16, 2014, 08:28 PM
I'd say definitely wire as per photo. Not 100% sure what year motomags came out but I believe the action shot was in 74
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: GRAB ON KID on July 16, 2014, 09:24 PM
Motomags came out in 74'.OL Snaggletooth was a test rider for Bmx Products & RL being the main badass on Rick's team & Rick was one of the first guys to get motomags.I'm sure that front is a motomag Ash.You can tell by the hub & can defo see the motomag spoke pattern in the pic.The rear looks to be wire though.   :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: Retrodan72 on July 16, 2014, 09:42 PM
The knowledge you guys have stored away is outstanding.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 16, 2014, 10:04 PM
Another interesting point is that Jeff says the bike he has (which is the action shot bike) is a 74, where's Rick Twomey says it's definitely a 73 and still has the receipt from Redline.

Looking closer at the pic your right on the hub section. As always throughout the early days parts were developed / tested and swapped out on a regular basis with the riders.

Dan RAD has a plethora of hidden knowledge and it's only when questions like yours are asked do we get to see some of it  :daumenhoch:

The Redline in the pic is the very first hard tail BMX. A bit off topic but nice to touch on the early stays a little.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 16, 2014, 10:10 PM
Ricks Bike Shop Race Team circa 1973

John Palfreyman, Tom Lund, Doug Takahashi  and no idea of the kid on the right.


(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/17/unyjuja5.jpg)


Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: stidds on July 16, 2014, 10:11 PM
Motomags came out in 74'.OL Snaggletooth was a test rider for Bmx Products & RL being the main badass on Rick's team & Rick was one of the first guys to get motomags.I'm sure that front is a motomag Ash.You can tell by the hub & can defo see the motomag spoke pattern in the pic.The rear looks to be wire though.   :daumenhoch:


I have seen quite a few pictures of JP riding with a front and a pair of motomags wheels, so would make sense that he would be on that picture.
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: ron burgundy on July 16, 2014, 10:16 PM
Great team photo. 1973 and no straight fork legs
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 16, 2014, 10:21 PM
Better shot of the bikes.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/17/qepedaqa.jpg)

Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: GRAB ON KID on July 16, 2014, 10:46 PM
Well the JP shot was on the June 75' cover of  BMX news but Oz could have shot it earlier as it states a year in pics on the cover.There's also coverage of Saddleback where the pic was taken so it could be 75'.Be worth a check if anyone has this issue.

Looking at those pics of JP in 73' he looks half the size he does in the Saddleback pic.Must have eaten his Wheaties twice a day to sprout that big in a year.  :LolLolLolLol:

Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: Devilock on July 16, 2014, 10:47 PM
It's an info fight...!
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: kungfunky on July 16, 2014, 10:57 PM
Well the JP shot was on the June 75' cover of  BMX news but Oz could have shot it earlier as it states a year in pics on the cover.There's also coverage of Saddleback where the pic was taken so it could be 75'.Be worth a check if anyone has this issue.

Looking at those pics of JP in 73' he looks half the size he does in the Saddleback pic.Must have eaten his Wheaties twice a day to sprout that big in a year.  :LolLolLolLol:

I think many riders including the likes of Greg and Stu were also on some "weetabix"  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Who Owns The Oldest BMX On RAD?
Post by: beano kurtz on July 18, 2014, 09:10 PM

November 1970 was the first official BMX race held in California in a Motorcross track. The original event was organised by the OM under his newly formed B.U.M.S  ( Bicycle United Motocross Society ).

Most raced on converted stingrays etc.

From memory the first Looptail BMX was a Redline, Jeff Haney obviously owns that one.

10th July 1969
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