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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: kungfunky on September 15, 2014, 09:35 AM
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Well it's finally been done and done by Johnny Chopper. Many in the BMX world consider the holy of holy trails to be the SE STR-1 Prototype (down tubes under the bb). There's only 1 known and it's owned by Jeff until now....
JC has made two and ones for sale on ebay for around £1000 and the other ? Well..
At a recent show in OZ one was shown fresh powder, JC cranks, JC forks etc and the owner was telling people it's a 78 and been in OZ for years !!
The one for sale
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/15/qu7y2a7y.jpg)
The other one
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/15/rume4eha.jpg)
So are you looking at both fakes or the mother of all coincidences ? My guess is both fakes.
Ohh and the black one won 1st place in the vintage race section, go figure.
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Why is it that anything JC seems to repop/fake seems to be accepted as quality goods?
Fake is fake is fake.
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I love the way people use the word tribute as an excuse to fake something ::)
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That's not good at all. Dog shit thing to do.
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I love the way people use the word tribute as an excuse to fake something ::)
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
It really is a lovely way of faking something :daumenhoch:
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Dirty fecka,and a bag of sand as well? :bellend:
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I love the way people use the word tribute as an excuse to fake something ::)
Dunno I quite like it when the wife does a tribute to orgasms at bed time. The double standards cow doesn't like it when I do a tribute to the housework though.
If he'd be honest and just say what they were, people would probably still buy them there ware plenty of retro Haros and the like selling well.
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Have you a link for the Sale ad? :(
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Saw this 1st thing this morning.
Exactly part of the reason I sold up and got out. Too many snides are seriously devaluing the originals. I'm guessing this is not stamped anywhere either.
Sad times which will only get worse.
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Have you a link for the Sale ad? :(
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Old-School-BMX-Johnny-Chopper-Quadangle-STR-1-Tribute-20-Frame-/121436329844?pt=AU_Cycling_New_&hash=item1c462b5774
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The fact they exist doesn't really bother me to be honest. What bothers me (especially if I was a collector) is them being judged along side original bikes, that is crazy and should never happen.
If there is demand and it can be made it will, it has been going on in other hobbies or collectables for years and years, that's just the way it is. It's possibly comparable to the AC Cobra, Ford GT40 or Porsche Spyder, some of the replicas of them are now collectors items in their own right but only the originals will ever have the real kudos and value.
The argument that it will devalue the originals doesn't hold water and has not been the case, the argument it will piss off some of the people who own the originals does hold water though.
Controversially I'd question the motives of anyone who gets out of the hobby because of replicas and repops, not aimed at you specifically Adam because you are not the only one to abandon ship, you might be able to answer a question though.
Why were you in the hobby in the first place, love of BMX or the thrill of owning stuff no one else has or can have?
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:daumenhoch:
Have you a link for the Sale ad? :(
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Old-School-BMX-Johnny-Chopper-Quadangle-STR-1-Tribute-20-Frame-/121436329844?pt=AU_Cycling_New_&hash=item1c462b5774
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I have no problem with it as long as its easy to spot the fakes/copy/tribute. A simple date stamp should do it or an obvious difference from the o/s frame.
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Some fake boobs are ok though ;D
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There was I hoping this was going to be an Alexander O'Neal thread
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Some fake boobs are ok though ;D
Prefer a nice pair of tribute tits myself :whistle:
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Some fake boobs are ok though ;D
Prefer a nice pair of tribute tits myself :whistle:
Remember when you book for the op chubby, most surgeons don't like doing the porn look :LolLolLolLol:
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There was I hoping this was going to be an Alexander O'Neal thread
Superb ;D :2funny:, that comment made my stomach hurt so much with laughter :4_17_5:
Buz :daumenhoch:
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There was I hoping this was going to be an Alexander O'Neal thread
Superb ;D :2funny:, that comment made my stomach hurt so much with laughter :4_17_5:
Buz :daumenhoch:
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The fact they exist doesn't really bother me to be honest. What bothers me (especially if I was a collector) is them being judged along side original bikes, that is crazy and should never happen.
If there is demand and it can be made it will, it has been going on in other hobbies or collectables for years and years, that's just the way it is. It's possibly comparable to the AC Cobra, Ford GT40 or Porsche Spyder, some of the replicas of them are now collectors items in their own right but only the originals will ever have the real kudos and value.
The argument that it will devalue the originals doesn't hold water and has not been the case, the argument it will piss off some of the people who own the originals does hold water though.
Controversially I'd question the motives of anyone who gets out of the hobby because of replicas and repops, not aimed at you specifically Adam because you are not the only one to abandon ship, you might be able to answer a question though.
Why were you in the hobby in the first place, love of BMX or the thrill of owning stuff no one else has or can have?
Summed up perfectly.........
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This is not a money making hobby,
I've paid well over the odds to get some rare parts just because I really wanted them, sometimes your lucky to be in the right place at the right time to get what you class yourself as a bargain.
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...and I thought BMX was about having fun on bikes :-\
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I don't have a problem with repop parts or even the likes of Johnny Chopper making copies/ 'tribute' bikes, as long as they are indentifiable as such. I have repop Hutch cranks, Profile 'anniversary' cranks, Hutch beartraps and Skyway bars on my bikes, and these kinds parts have enabled me and others to build their dream bikes. It's when people try to pass them off as originals - that's when I have an issue with it. Not good "nono"
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nice to see everyone getting on ::)
just think - MK was only a month ago
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I don't have a problem with repop parts or even the likes of Johnny Chopper making copies/ 'tribute' bikes, as long as they are indentifiable as such. I have repop Hutch cranks, Profile 'anniversary' cranks, Hutch beartraps and Skyway bars on my bikes, and these kinds parts have enabled me and others to build their dream bikes. It's when people try to pass them off as originals - that's when I have an issue with it. Not good "nono"
Exactly. Buy the stuff you want. If its rare and "worth a lot" then someone will copy or reproduce it. Its the way of the world. You will always get less money out of bmx than you put in, but you get fun, excitement, happiness, exhilaration, laughter, satisfaction, friendship, and whatever else out of it. Ride on and stop bleating.
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Jesus guys, they're only fooking kids bikes remember :daumenhoch:
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I got into the hobby in the 1st place when I bought my Son his first BMX in 2008/9 and great memories came back from my youth, subsequently I looked on EBay and the collecting sort of stemmed from there. For me, I loved the chase of hunting down the exotic, really hard to find parts which as we all know generally cost a lot. I genuinely believe repops are hurting the scene and here's a simple example;
I had a pair of VDC Cruiser Monkey bars, 4 sets known to exist. You can email Voris today and he will make you a set to the exact specs of the originals with the addition of a small date stamp. That stamp can easily be ground off and the bars rechromed and hey presto, you've suddenly got an OG set so now there's 5 sets, the more this happens the less 'exclusive' they are and less desirable and so less valuable. I had too much money tied up in my collection to see it dwindle on an almost daily basis. I still have 7 bikes which I'll keep as I love them.
Fair play on your reasons for becoming involved, reason I asked is there are a lot of people who become involved in BMX because they see an investment opportunity. Any investment opportunity is risky be it stocks and shares, gold or whatever, there's a difference between collecting and speculating.
In my opinion any money you have in BMX should be money that you are prepared to lose. A true collector will keep their collection until it turns to rust or is worthless because they want the item for what it is not what it's worth. If you are worried about how much your stuff is worth then you should havef load it because you have it for the wrong reason.
So you know there are currently there are four sets of bars known and another set turns up and a NOS set of VDC monkey bars turn up are you are not suspicious that they might be doctored repops especially given they are in new chrome so they have been stripped, doctored, prepped and finished. Part of the skill as a collector is spotting the difference and sorting the wheat from the chaff because the genuine item still holds its value.
The scenario you give doesn't prove that the existance of repops, replicas or fakes negatively effects value of the genuine item, it can't because the quantity of the genuine item has not increased. When all is said and done there will still only be four genuine sets of bars known and the people who want a set will pay big money to get them.
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nice to see everyone getting on ::)
just think - MK was only a month ago
Was only saying the exact same thing last night to Rich, don't know what going on, on here at the mo :(
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I don't have a problem with repop parts or even the likes of Johnny Chopper making copies/ 'tribute' bikes, as long as they are indentifiable as such. I have repop Hutch cranks, Profile 'anniversary' cranks, Hutch beartraps and Skyway bars on my bikes, and these kinds parts have enabled me and others to build their dream bikes. It's when people try to pass them off as originals - that's when I have an issue with it. Not good "nono"
I like this statement above, i will buy genuine items (NOS whatever you want to call them) if i can justify it. In many cases i can't justify it so i'll buy repop bits.......does this make me a bad person. I still get to enjoy the build, hobby and ride, but i'm able to do it on a budget.
Oh no does this mean that my Curtis Cruiser is a fake, or is it o.k. because Brian has made it and it's identifiable as such. :LolLolLolLol:
To me its all about keeping it all alive, and if it's done genuinely (like the Curtis Cruisers?) then all well and good in my opinion, i dont know much about the item at the start of this thread....so can't really comment.
I'm not in it to make any money, i'm just in it to enjoy it. :daumenhoch:
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nice to see everyone getting on ::)
just think - MK was only a month ago
haha, i know but sometimes its nice to vent your frustrations, without getting personal, one or two negative comments but, easily ignored, Adam,s a good guy with some nice bikes, think a bit of jealousy going on, went out of his way to help me out and in a complete stranger to him :4_17_5: as for repops n fakes, 2 completely different animals, repops are a cheaper option for those who either cant justify price or cant find og, fakes are fraud, and shouldn't be tolerated
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nice to see everyone getting on ::)
just think - MK was only a month ago
Was only saying the exact same thing last night to Rich, don't know what going on, on here at the mo :(
We've lost that loving feeling :-*
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nice to see everyone getting on ::)
just think - MK was only a month ago
Was only saying the exact same thing last night to Rich, don't know what going on, on here at the mo :(
Oh stop being such a moaning prick Clint, you complete & utter twat. :D :-*
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Yorkshire cnut :P
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Easy tigers :coolsmiley: lifes too short :daumenhoch:
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for what its worth, I'd buy one... :coolsmiley:
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Flashbacks...
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Winter nights are drawing in haha
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Think Rads just picked up again.. :slayer:
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eeee.... this is like the old times of rad.... :popcorn:
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Is there something going on/gone on in the past that most of us don't know about?..... - it seems to be a very personal attack on Adam for whatever reason. I've only met Adam a few times, but in my opinion he's a genuinely nice bloke. Some of our tastes in bmx are similar - others completely different - Peugeot Black Lion Adam? Admit it - it's your dream bike! :LolLolLolLol:
As for Jono - met the man many a time. As generous and genuine a person as you could meet and is 100% upfront regarding his bikes/money paid etc.
This all seems very angry - don't know why..
It should be fun!
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Whoever started this thread needs a fookin slap. Who's first ?
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I love melons
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Cats & melons.
That's a recipe for global harmony.
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/M5AT/EBA24179-7212-4B78-A466-D7B1B8DE7384_zpslq94kryc.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/EBA24179-7212-4B78-A466-D7B1B8DE7384_zpslq94kryc.jpg.html)
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I love melons
Doesn't everybody?! Not a fan of blood boiling fakes mind....
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I like to throw my BMX on the floor outside the shop, run in but some fruit salad and black jacks, then Ride as fast as I can bunny hopping the curbs on the way home. Sometimes I fall off
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They're all at remaking the old stuff, Skyway, GHP, Haro, SE, Profile, Redline, Hoffman, Dia Compe, Hutch & it's been going on for a long time. I remember around ten years ago Kappa making Aerospeed Cranks as well as the PKs, it's just the way it is, there isn't enough "Old" stuff to go round.
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I was given a fantastic esp copy stem for a gift.. I was over the moon and thankful to my buddy for it.. :daumenhoch:
I've never hidden the fact that it's a fake and never would..
On the other hand, if copy's are being made and people are going to sell them at top dollar.. Ie saying it's the real deal. That's wank. Everything's a gamble if your in it for profit.. It's fun if your not..
Also I think your all queer. And you know I'll say that to ya face... :coolsmiley:
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They're all at remaking the old stuff, Skyway, GHP, Haro, SE, Profile, Redline, Hoffman, Dia Compe, Hutch & it's been going on for a long time. I remember around ten years ago Kappa making Aerospeed Cranks as well as the PKs, it's just the way it is, there isn't enough "Old" stuff to go round.
pk kappa is the bollox.. :slayer:
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Another typo John- 'is bollocks'.
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I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most. :yahoo_silent:
I'm also not a fan of personal digs and insults about who builds what or how long folk have been around etc etc, there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.
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Another typo John- 'is bollocks'.
fook off!! Bollox in my neck of the woods.. :daumenhoch:
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Another typo John- 'is bollocks'.
fook off!! Bollox in my neck of the woods.. :daumenhoch:
I mean you added 'the' by mistake ya piss head!
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I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most. :yahoo_silent:
I agree Ash - It's the passing the repop stuff off as OG - that's the problem I have..
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This is fookin great... not laughed this much on Rad in ages :LolLolLolLol:
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Thatll be at my expense again nick, thought i was smoothing shit over, now im gettin it too, took you Adam, youre on your own :LolLolLolLol:
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I rely on my fake laugh and smile as i hate everyone
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I rely on my fake laugh and smile as i hate everyone
You're a fake hater.
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fakie how to :pilky:
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Fake off.
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Fake off.
Fake you too.
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gaybo's ;D
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I rely on my fake laugh and smile as i hate everyone
You're a fake hater.
:LolLolLolLol: (fake)
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:popcorn:
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(http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/enfants/velo.gif)
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The Great British Fake Off :Great_Britain:
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I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most. :yahoo_silent:
I'm also not a fan of personal digs and insults about who builds what or how long folk have been around etc etc, there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.
There are con men everywhere in all walks of life, where there is money you will find them and this hobby is no different. The thing is to know your stuff, Gary (JC) makes no attempt to put his stuff out there as original, all of it is stamped JC YY (YY being the year) and his eBay sales all state they are replica or tribute and so on. If a buyer of one of his items wants to try and con someone else with it that is their decision and that would be a criminal offence (knowingly deceiving someone for financial gain). The thing is to "out" those people that lie, cheat and con buyers so that other buyers are aware of the risk they take when dealing with that person; Buyer Beware and it applies to everything not just BMX bikes.
On a same but different note that has appeared in this thread, sadly this hobby seems to attract a large number of people who are fanatical (defined by the Oxford Dictionary as "A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal" and "A person with an obsessive interest in and enthusiasm for a particular activity") who clearly think that their opinion is more relevant than anyone elses. Some people are fanatical in everything they do...
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I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most. :yahoo_silent:
I agree Ash - It's the passing the repop stuff off as OG - that's the problem I have..
it`s been happening for years anyway as look at the snide aerospeeds that biggio and rob were selling a original`s years ago ,it just catching them and letting people know before people spend there hard cash and places like this forum are where we should spread that info
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And a run of JMC seat posts too if I remember ???
Like you say fakes have been around for a long time and as long as there's money to be made they'll not be going away anytime soon.
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I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most. :yahoo_silent:
I'm also not a fan of personal digs and insults about who builds what or how long folk have been around etc etc, there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.
You are all gay boys. :daumenhoch:
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I'm enjoying this post , it's been a wile since there been a good bit of banter .
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banter....its pub fighting talk!!
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Pub fight talk?
School playground fight talk ;D
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there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.
:whistle:
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Foot restyling talk..
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Mirroring an already made comment (several times) fakes or copies have always been about. In all the years i've been unfortunate to watch Antiques Roadshow i've never heard the pundit say "well thats a fake, you've just sodding well devalued the original"...
If you know your stuff you'll be able to spot them but it takes time to "learn" the differences and with new parts coming onto the market everyday the chances of being duped become more likely.
Perhaps we should have a "Fake/Copy" sticky that helps Radsters spot the difference? Keep it subjective and educational. ???
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Thats a very good idea Chris.
Here we have an example of an ORIGINAL Haro Sport.
Easy to tell as it has quality welds & the Haro chevrons stamped ito the down tube gusset :daumenhoch:
Plus it was spotted in Thailand which adds to its authenticity
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/kk44/M5AT/ThaiHaro.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/ThaiHaro.jpg.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/kk44/M5AT/ThaiHaro_1.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/ThaiHaro_1.jpg.html)
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It's also very very rare too. It isn't signed ;D
Thats a very good idea Chris.
Here we have an example of an ORIGINAL Haro Sport.
Easy to tell as it has quality welds & the Haro chevrons stamped ito the down tube gusset :daumenhoch:
Plus it was spotted in Thailand which adds to its authenticity
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/kk44/M5AT/ThaiHaro.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/ThaiHaro.jpg.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/kk44/M5AT/ThaiHaro_1.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/ThaiHaro_1.jpg.html)
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I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most. :yahoo_silent:
I'm also not a fan of personal digs and insults about who builds what or how long folk have been around etc etc, there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.
There are con men everywhere in all walks of life, where there is money you will find them and this hobby is no different. The thing is to know your stuff, Gary (JC) makes no attempt to put his stuff out there as original, all of it is stamped JC YY (YY being the year) and his eBay sales all state they are replica or tribute and so on. If a buyer of one of his items wants to try and con someone else with it that is their decision and that would be a criminal offence (knowingly deceiving someone for financial gain). The thing is to "out" those people that lie, cheat and con buyers so that other buyers are aware of the risk they take when dealing with that person; Buyer Beware and it applies to everything not just BMX bikes.
On a same but different note that has appeared in this thread, sadly this hobby seems to attract a large number of people who are fanatical (defined by the Oxford Dictionary as "A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal" and "A person with an obsessive interest in and enthusiasm for a particular activity") who clearly think that their opinion is more relevant than anyone elses. Some people are fanatical in everything they do...
Stop going on , my opinion is way way way more relevant than yours. Gaybo
Gaybo? made me chuckle that did.
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Thats a very good idea Chris.
Here we have an example of an ORIGINAL Haro Sport.
Easy to tell as it has quality welds & the Haro chevrons stamped ito the down tube gusset :daumenhoch:
Plus it was spotted in Thailand which adds to its authenticity
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/kk44/M5AT/ThaiHaro.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/ThaiHaro.jpg.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/kk44/M5AT/ThaiHaro_1.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/ThaiHaro_1.jpg.html)
Dibbs!!
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I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most. :yahoo_silent:
I'm also not a fan of personal digs and insults about who builds what or how long folk have been around etc etc, there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.
I think that pretty much summs it up well ASH :daumenhoch:
Mind you, can't stand retro new school stuff......who the hell would buy that crap ;) ;D
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I'll happily stick my ESP stem in it as a reference.. I know of a few that have been done..be good to see all the differences in the repops to.. So we can see what to look for.. Think yours are identical to mine Terry? :)
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Perhaps we should have a "Fake/Copy" sticky that helps Radsters spot the difference? Keep it subjective and educational. ???
That is an excellent idea especially padsets and small items
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So, are we all against del now with his "fake" stickers.... ???
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So, are we all against del now with his "fake" stickers.... ???
ya bustedfooted troll :chin:
don't think many could pass off new decals as OG ^"^
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So, are we all against del now with his "fake" stickers.... ???
ya bustedfooted troll :chin:
don't think many could pass off new decals as OG ^"^
There are a lot of double standards applied in this and many other hobbies where restoration is involved...
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I would not say no to one of those ESP stems but i wouldn't put it on any other build but a rider. They look like a work of art. :smitten:
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wait till everyone gets to know about the fake 7x and the fake 401s
plenty of them on bikes at MK and not one person knows they are rocking them on bikes.
oh and the fake alloy loopy PK rippers all with consecutive serials
and the fake hutch stems, bars and frames
plenty of fake goods knocking about and some of the most prolific collectors dont even know
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wait till everyone gets to know about the fake 7x and the fake 401s
plenty of them on bikes at MK and not one person knows they are rocking them on bikes.
oh and the fake alloy loopy PK rippers all with consecutive serials
and the fake hutch stems, bars and frames
plenty of fake goods knocking about and some of the most prolific collectors dont even know
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"
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I would not say no to one of those ESP stems but i wouldn't put it on any other build but a rider. They look like a work of art. :smitten:
Theres a guy taking orders for these on twatbook
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This was a gift.. And it's art..
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Top thread!
Just for info... I've been in touch with Lord Goff recently and the reason he's not into the hobby so much , due to the workload at his new buisness ....
http://www.mirthinabox.com/p/doggonit-by-ss-adams#.VBnfXGthiSM
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Not really lol
If I spotted a fakey I would tell the owner
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Well I choose to have a Helix square stem on my build, I have had a Helix and an original tuf neck side by side,
The hardware was available to buy separately from tuf neck so these parts are probably original to tuf neck.
The helix has a better quality grade aluminium and is more accurate than the original.
If I made a tuf neck square stem BITD, it would have been a good effort but in my opinion a balls up, especially after cutting the angles wrong on the 3 flats on the back, i've seen good ones and bad ones.
Engineering has come a long way in 30 years, some of these machines now are amazing, some of the original tuf necks to me look a bit homemade with the only tools being a hacksaw and a file :daumenhoch:
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^^ this is all a bit of a shame....
I've not been posting on RAD very long so have been quite surprised at a few of the posts in recent weeks. Lots of personal stuff being written that is probably best said via PM or to faces, as entertaining as it may be for everybody else to read....
Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own. Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.
I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.
I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.
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I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.
I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do :D
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^^^^ ermmm did you write something >:D ;D
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:shocked: Nice melons !!! "wantit"
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No one would wanna repro' any of my sh*t!! :-[
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:shocked: Nice melons !!! "wantit"
are they real or fakes? :teef:
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:shocked: Nice melons !!! "wantit"
are they real or fakes? :teef:
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Not too sure Griff ....... but i wouldn't mind finding out , with my own hands obviously :D
You can actually tell by the skin tbh , it's a fine art and many years of melon feeling has given me the knowledge to recognise the difference between a fake and the real thing ;)
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Fakies always have the nip on.
Which is just another reason to invest 3K :daumenhoch:
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Like i said, i don't do fakes :daumenhoch:
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^^ this is all a bit of a shame....
I've not been posting on RAD very long so have been quite surprised at a few of the posts in recent weeks. Lots of personal stuff being written that is probably best said via PM or to faces, as entertaining as it may be for everybody else to read....
Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own. Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.
I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.
I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.
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I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.
I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do :D
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Repop Oakley's are stamped 2010, repop Hand Grenades are made from harder rubber and if you can't get your hands on them they have an additional weep hole just past "Grenade" and repop Hutch pedals have an extra four grip studs on the platforms.... etc etc.
Like I said its all about educating yourself to know the differences, which can take time, but the fact that copies are out there certainly won't stop me buying anything original. I don't get that?
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^^ this is all a bit of a shame....
I've not been posting on RAD very long so have been quite surprised at a few of the posts in recent weeks. Lots of personal stuff being written that is probably best said via PM or to faces, as entertaining as it may be for everybody else to read....
Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own. Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.
I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.
I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.
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I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.
I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do :D
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Run that by me again. ..
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I didn't know those points you just mentioned Jaan (many thanks for the info btw...) so until i'm used to spotting these things i'll try to keep away from items that are known to have been reproduced.
Being able to buy them new just kind of takes the magic away from it all for me, personally speaking. Can't really explain why tbh.
The comment made earlier about the decals is messing with my mind now i must admit! :uglystupid2:
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The comment made earlier about the decals is messing with my mind now i must admit! :uglystupid2:
:D
You had better not get anything powder coated either then Mart as most bikes were painted bitd ;)
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I didn't know those points you just mentioned Jaan (many thanks for the info btw...) so until i'm used to spotting these things i'll try to keep away from items that are known to have been reproduced.
Being able to buy them new just kind of takes the magic away from it all for me, personally speaking. Can't really explain why tbh.
The comment made earlier about the decals is messing with my mind now i must admit! :uglystupid2:
I didn't know them until I did (if that makes sense?). Like I mentioned before we really should have some sort of reference section for this to help one another know the differences and make more informed choices. :daumenhoch:
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Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own. Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.
I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.
I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.
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I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.
I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do :D
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Some of the repops have benefited the hobby (especially the ride outs), take tyres I remember bikes around 2002-3 being displayed with black wall tioga comp 3's or in some case no tyres at all. Atleast now you can get hold of various tan wall comp 3's which are a good alternative to mitsiboshi gen 2 green and blue labels which were going for £3-350 in mint condition a while back. Somebody recently fooked up a pair of 30 yr old tyres riding them they just disintegrated in no time.
Surely you don't and wouldn't use 40 year old tyres on your car restorations.
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Yeah, the OG finish thing is always a bit strange. I've only had one done, but that's a rider. Lots of people told me not to take the WHEELS stickers off my frame, but i couldn't live with them being all banged up. I did try just adding the new ones where they were missing but they still grated with me so i fitted a new set.
The reference section is a fantastic idea. How to ID reproduction items, assuming the new ones have identifying features (green, round, look like melons). It's not so bad as i'm talking about particular grips that i like and little things like that, but the thread itself started talking about an entire frame being cloned and passed off as an original item.
I have to say I have been PMing a fair few people on RAD since i started posting and have asked for plenty of advice and everybody has been really informative. The way things are going with prices though, if somebody makes a bad choice it could end up costing them a fair chunk :(
Yeah - that's a really good point about the tyres. There are some compromises, plus they won't MOT cars with tyres over a certain age anyway.
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I don't think anyone in their right mind would condone defrauding someone for financial gain - not even Devilock.
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I am a bit lost here just read 5 pages..
Re-cap:- Joff likes Melons but likes to handle the goods first, and Devilock is behaving himself .. Ye right .. Sir Richard stop it.. :daumenhoch:
No that's wrong .. Or was it Jono or Nick... ::) where's this going again guys...
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Hopefully it will turn into a 'members birds tits' thread :daumenhoch:
Fake or not, all good :D
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I am a bit lost here just read 5 pages..
Re-cap:- Joff likes Melons but likes to handle the goods first, and Devilock is behaving himself .. Ye right .. Sir Richard stop it.. :daumenhoch:
No that's wrong .. Or was it Jono or Nick... ::) where's this going again guys...
It's Ricky Carmichael.
You need working on boy... :bondage:
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I don't think anyone in their right mind would condone defrauding someone for financial gain - not even Devilock.
I even did it to Jesus.
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I am a bit lost here just read 5 pages..
Re-cap:- Joff likes Melons but likes to handle the goods first, and Devilock is behaving himself .. Ye right .. Sir Richard stop it.. :daumenhoch:
No that's wrong .. Or was it Jono or Nick... ::) where's this going again guys...
It's Ricky Carmichael.
You need working on boy... :bondage:
Mrs Miggins Pie Shop 10:30pm don't be late >:D
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I'm bored now.. I think I'll jog on..
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Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please
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Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please
:LolLolLolLol: now my comments make no sense, again
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Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please
:LolLolLolLol: now my comments make no sense, again
It's like your having a conversation with the friend only you can see :LolLolLolLol:
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Repo Parts
I have said this on a few threads before if I bought a 2014 Skyway I would put all genuine repop parts on, e.g repo Kashimax, repo Dia Compe 890 etc. Would'nt even want to put Fake parts on. If it was a 1984 Skyway I would want to put Old School parts on.
Fake Parts
There are a few parts I steer clear of like Hutch as I can't seem to work out the difference between Old and New (some thread here have helped).
A couple of months back one of transactions I had on ebay was for Repo Victor VP300 that were being Sold as Old Stock..... this is what I don't like.
Also a few years ago there were a lot of Kuwahara Laser Post knocking about which were fake. These were quite easy to spot as they had CR-MO embossed just before Kuwahara Laser Post.
New Thread Sticky
What would be good if a member had a Genuine part and the Fake part side by side listing the differences and then posted on a sticky thread to help us all out. Trouble is is having both Old and Fake part to do this.
:radbmxsmilie:
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Repo Parts
I have said this on a few threads before if I bought a 2014 Skyway I would put all genuine repop parts on, e.g repo Kashimax, repo Dia Compe 890 etc. Would'nt even want to put Fake parts on. If it was a 1984 Skyway I would want to put Old School parts on.
Fake Parts
There are a few parts I steer clear of like Hutch as I can't seem to work out the difference between Old and New (some thread here have helped).
A couple of months back one of transactions I had on ebay was for Repo Victor VP300 that were being Sold as Old Stock..... this is what I don't like.
Also a few years ago there were a lot of Kuwahara Laser Post knocking about which were fake. These were quite easy to spot as they had CR-MO embossed just before Kuwahara Laser Post.
New Thread Sticky
What would be good if a member had a Genuine part and the Fake part side by side listing the differences and then posted on a sticky thread to help us all out. Trouble is is having both Old and Fake part to do this.
:radbmxsmilie:
Stop talking.
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:P
Repo Parts
I have said this on a few threads before if I bought a 2014 Skyway I would put all genuine repop parts on, e.g repo Kashimax, repo Dia Compe 890 etc. Would'nt even want to put Fake parts on. If it was a 1984 Skyway I would want to put Old School parts on.
Fake Parts
There are a few parts I steer clear of like Hutch as I can't seem to work out the difference between Old and New (some thread here have helped).
A couple of months back one of transactions I had on ebay was for Repo Victor VP300 that were being Sold as Old Stock..... this is what I don't like.
Also a few years ago there were a lot of Kuwahara Laser Post knocking about which were fake. These were quite easy to spot as they had CR-MO embossed just before Kuwahara Laser Post.
New Thread Sticky
What would be good if a member had a Genuine part and the Fake part side by side listing the differences and then posted on a sticky thread to help us all out. Trouble is is having both Old and Fake part to do this.
:radbmxsmilie:
Stop talking.
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as long as someone is willing to get their cash out, there will be willing providers of whatever you want. The fake market has been there from day dot, sanderspeeds being a good example, then the deep h with no recess for the top washer and it snowballed from there. The 24" skyway killed it a bit for me. It was unobtanium, then somebody dumped a skip load of unobtanium substitute on the market and it was a step to far.
when this
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/juanrmattos/Bicycles/24TA.jpg)
became this
(http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r545/markymark5055/SkywayTA24RhythmRacingComponents_zpsf47ebc9f.jpg)
i was saddened for collectors of real old school gems.
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Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please
:LolLolLolLol: now my comments make no sense, again
on the plus side hes now turned his attention from Adam to me now, in getting keyboard threats :LolLolLolLol:
It's like your having a conversation with the friend only you can see :LolLolLolLol:
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I've got a matching nos pair tuf necks if someone wants to part with an obscene amount of cash, I didn't make them myself I promise
Ps, they will never actually be for sale