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Title: Tioga BB question
Post by: OldGooseGuy on March 21, 2015, 06:38 PM
I have a Tioga bear trap bb attached to a takagi opc, and want to remove the spider to clean it. What size is the nut between the spider and the drive side bb cone?
I must have a crank spanner that fits, because I fitted it in the first place, but can't find it so need to get another...
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Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: Bfellows on March 21, 2015, 07:58 PM
I still use one of these - old Raleigh bike spanner!  Seems to fit everything ;)

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Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: snoopy72 on March 21, 2015, 08:09 PM
Sure it's a 30 or a 32 but needs to be slimline
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: OldGooseGuy on March 21, 2015, 08:41 PM
I still use one of these - old Raleigh bike spanner!  Seems to fit everything ;)

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Yep, pretty sure I have one of these somewhere.... Just need to find it.
All time classic bike spanner! Any chance you can measure the big gap for me?
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: Bfellows on March 21, 2015, 09:33 PM
I still use one of these - old Raleigh bike spanner!  Seems to fit everything ;)

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Yep, pretty sure I have one of these somewhere.... Just need to find it.
All time classic bike spanner! Any chance you can measure the big gap for me?

32mm or 1 1/14 ;)
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: OldGooseGuy on April 14, 2015, 10:54 AM
The old raleigh bike spanner is too small.

So now I need a super thin 34mm x 2mm thick spanner that can get in between the spider and the BB cone...

any ideas?
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: That Swan Guy on April 14, 2015, 11:00 AM
vice
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: OldGooseGuy on April 14, 2015, 11:04 AM
How would a vice help?
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: rodriguez on April 14, 2015, 11:15 AM
Normally the cone screws up against a washer which is up against the spider, so it's the cone you need to loosen.

As they usually don't have flats for a spanner I use a vice, vice grips or stilsons.

Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: That Swan Guy on April 14, 2015, 11:17 AM
clamp the nut

turn the crank
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: bobbbbsy on April 14, 2015, 12:15 PM
The bit between the spider and the cone/backnut is a washer / shim. How do you hope to loosen it when the cone/backnut is clamped to it ?
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: That Swan Guy on April 14, 2015, 02:19 PM
how has this thread got so confusing?

to take the spider off you need to remove the nut holding it on to the crank.

either you take it off using a spanner and turn it aginst the stationary crank or you clamp the nut and turn the crank against the staionary nut!

whether there is a washer/spacer in between the nut and the spider is irrelevant!
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: HUTCHMAN on April 14, 2015, 06:48 PM
i use a dirty great 18" long 1/2" thick adjustable.. plenty of leverage !! Why do you need such a thin spanner?
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: Bfellows on April 14, 2015, 08:54 PM
The old raleigh bike spanner is too small.

So now I need a super thin 34mm x 2mm thick spanner that can get in between the spider and the BB cone...

any ideas?

Just wondering....... You have taken the crank out of the BB? 
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: BMX1973 on April 14, 2015, 10:02 PM
 8)

I still use one of these - old Raleigh bike spanner!  Seems to fit everything ;)

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Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: Gary72 on April 14, 2015, 10:36 PM
Your not the 1st
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,58607.msg596527.html#msg596527
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: That Swan Guy on April 14, 2015, 11:57 PM
The old raleigh bike spanner is too small.

So now I need a super thin 34mm x 2mm thick spanner that can get in between the spider and the BB cone...

any ideas?

Just wondering....... You have taken the crank out of the BB?

 :LolLolLolLol:

fook knows

I think we need pictures of wtf is going on here
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: OldGooseGuy on April 15, 2015, 01:32 PM
Here is the offending item, how do I get at that nut?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kcIW14STXVk/VS5Qg6yRqbI/AAAAAAAANpM/dV6Hzgp6yOs/w893-h669-no/IMG_20150415_124925.jpg)

Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: pickle on April 15, 2015, 01:39 PM
doesn't that seal just slide off back over the crank leaving you with access to the nut?
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: OldGooseGuy on April 15, 2015, 01:46 PM
The black seal will come off, but the bearing cone is still there hard up against the nut, and bigger than it, so you need to get in between.

Is the nut actually part of the cone, or are they separate?
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: pickle on April 15, 2015, 01:52 PM
If the seal comes off away from the chainring then just get a huge set of mole grips on it
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: OldGooseGuy on April 15, 2015, 02:04 PM
Mole grips will chew the edge of the bb cone, and I want to reuse it...
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: pickle on April 15, 2015, 03:17 PM
not if you're careful and who's going to see it once you've refitted it? 
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: Bfellows on April 15, 2015, 03:42 PM
Here is the offending item, how do I get at that nut?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kcIW14STXVk/VS5Qg6yRqbI/AAAAAAAANpM/dV6Hzgp6yOs/w893-h669-no/IMG_20150415_124925.jpg)

All is now clear  ;D I just widened an old Raleigh bike spanner with a file and it seemed to work fine on mine.  Fingers crossed someone has not over tightened it though.......
Title: Re: Tioga BB question
Post by: That Swan Guy on April 15, 2015, 05:27 PM
put that cone in a vice, turn the crank, it'll all come off
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