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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: rodriguez on January 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
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In light of recent events I think it's only right and proper that BOTY vote should be re-run, with Seans entry disqualified and Bennos entry replacing it.
It's still only January after all so there's time to do it and I'm sure there will be plenty of voters.
What is the concensus of opinion.
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Agreed
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In light of the fact that this is still being looked into I think it's a bit early to be making judgments/disqualifying anyone
That's just my opinion though
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Griff there has been 24 hours to look in to this .
Facts
Accounts were set up for voting and used only for voting . Your stats show that .you can't get away from that .
What's the hold up ?
Are people trying to cast shadow over whats out in the public . Or just to embarrassed to admit it or not got the balls to tackle the bull with the horns .
Lots of people are pissed but to afraid to raise it . My FB messages convey that
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Griff there has been 24 hours to look in to this .
Facts
Accounts were set up for voting and used only for voting . Your stats show that .you can't get away from that .
What's the hold up ?
Are people trying to cast shadow over whats out in the public . Or just to embarrassed to admit it or not got the balls to tackle the bull with the horns .
Lots of people are pissed but to afraid to raise it . My FB messages convey that
Shouldn't have to remind you that this is not a full time job for any of us
Yesterday I did 12 hours at work and got home at 8pm - personally I would rather have not been online arguing the toss with people making unsubstantiated claims based on mostly suspicion
I'm at work right now, as I suspect are the other people
It has nothing to do with balls, shadows or anything else. It is however a delicate subject when you're calling someone's integrity in public so all I'm suggesting is to let the people with enough technical knowhow find out if there is a way to give a definitive answer or not.
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Delicate yes . Radbmx admin has been caught out big time cheating . Are you forgetting all your friends that have lost out to this .
I'm at work but the facts are there
Do as you will but don't expect the support of members when no money comes in
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Also why do you need technical people to look at it when his mrs has basically admitted it .
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In light of the fact that this is still being looked into I think it's a bit early to be making judgments/disqualifying anyone
That's just my opinion though
Point taken.
In that case perhaps Sean will do the honourable thing and withdraw his entry himself for the BOTY.
Get the ball rolling and get a bit of positivity back into RAD again, it's been too negative for too long.
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like wot that fuk is going on???
bike doping with fake rad memberships???
shizzem skizzem man!!!
THIS IS A FUKIN HOBBY FOR FUKS SAKE GUYS it aint that important surely?
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nor is it fact Craig
you have seen a screen shot , please post that up here and explain how an IP range with five accounts proves that cheating has taken place?
we are still trawling logs to find out the FACTS
as it stands Sean has not cheated , he has three accounts registered to his IP , his, his wifes ,and a foster kid the 2 rad admin accounts have never voted for any BOTY or Month
so if you are saying that by Jo , sean and a foster kid voting for Seans bikes is cheating then fair enough but lets be fair why would your wife not vote for her husband
we are still looking at it and I will present any FACTS once I have them and will try to be honest when I do
but as it stands the accusation of cheating has been made , if it is true then we will act but those that are prepared to await the facts of this and not just grab the popcorn and point fingers will await what we know when we can take the time to present what we have found
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As per PM if your team are not prepared to come forward then your as bad as one another
Im sorry to have to say that but its true
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Sorry if this is detailed elsewhere (I don't do Facebook) but wtf is going on here??
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You've had your pound of flesh Craig so why don't you just pull your neck in until they have all the facts.
I personally can't see much wrong with a wife and kid voting tbh and if that's all it comes down to then it nowhere near warranted this kind of shit storm.
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I thought it was a bit of fun in the memory of the guy who passed..
I have a few of my builds entered just to get the numbers up with no intentions of winning just a bit of fun to show off the effort we all put into this great hobbie..
So now we are checking IP addy.. Family and friends voting etc..
We only had 5 bikes in last months Dec with well over 4k members.
If we all put more effort in entering your bike as too the negative efforts at present checking each others IP or starting threads about this even saying that this bike was built well over a month ago..
Personally most of the bikes that have won BOTY was the best of show so I don't know what the problem is..
Or subscription members can only vote..
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as it stands Sean has not cheated , he has three accounts registered to his IP , his, his wifes ,and a foster kid the 2 rad admin accounts have never voted for any BOTY or Month
so if you are saying that by Jo , sean and a foster kid voting for Seans bikes is cheating then fair enough but lets be fair why would your wife not vote for her husband
It all depends on the timing of those 2 votes really , the wifes and foster kid.
A week before the end of voting? Not cheating.
5 minutes before vote ends and hubbies bike is only 2 votes short of winning and hubby can see that information, on screen, in real time? Very cheating.
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Is Sean the new leader of IS or something?
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Could be, I don't care lol. I don't know whether he rigged the vote or not. I don't know the man, I don't know CrazyCraig either. But I do know that the timing on the extra 2 votes is the key.
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Unless they always voted for him , then timing does not matter
Like I have said I am trying to pick it apart and decide what went one , it's very hard to do and I am trying to work it out
What we have seen is lots of members only log in to vote for the BOTY etc , all different ip addresses so no links to other mebers
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Rich
if you believe that their child went online at 11.55pm on a school night and voted exactly the same amount votes as his mother your smoking some heavy sh!t
send us some up will ya :crazy2:
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Unless they always voted for him , then timing does not matter
Not if they only voted 5 minutes before the end on bikes that won.
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Tactical voting
I get it but if a vote is going to be cast , then as long as it is at some point in the poll then the outcome is set
It sounds like I am sticking up for cheating and I am really not , I hate cheating as I am sure do you
The outcome if obtained by cheating is low
I am only saying that the timing a vote that was always going to be cast is irrelevant
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Personally most of the bikes that have won BOTY was the best of show so I don't know what the problem is..
Or subscription members can only vote..
it would be best, (not fair on mods etc) if anyone with any behind the scenes connections did not enter the BOTM/BOTY. Same as MK show n shine builds being built and judged by judges. Its a little unethical and will always be open to scepticism.
I don't post on here often and its a shame that this has caused a stain on RAD that I imagine may linger for sometime.
maybe an option to show who voted as well as results would offer some transparency
i'll fook off back under my rock now :-X
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I'm sure there's no setting on a poll to show who voted and for what? If you try setting one up then you'll see how little settings there are.
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Will this make my calendar more valuable then :teef:
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Will this make my calendar more valuable then :teef:
It will make a great heirloom :daumenhoch:
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Will this make my calendar more valuable then :teef:
It will make a great heirloom :daumenhoch:
Still sealed in the envelope too ^"^
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My wife wouldn't vote for my bikes anyway :-[
I've read all of this lot, and tbh, I don't really care. It's all a bit of fun and I'm not going to get the hump if my entry gets 0 votes or 10million. I like my bikes and that's what the hobby is all about to me. It has nothing to do with winning BOTM whatsoever.
The forum is open for anybody and everybody to join and with that, they get the right to vote however they please. I don't think anybody can say they don't have a bit of bias if their good mates put in an entry. I didn't realize that if you are a forum member your family, children, close friends etc.... are automatically barred.
It's a hobby ffs, it's not like somebody is fixing the National Lottery.
Now can somebody post a build thread please?
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My wife wouldn't vote for my bikes anyway :-[
I've read all of this lot, and tbh, I don't really care. It's all a bit of fun and I'm not going to get the hump if my entry gets 0 votes or 10million. I like my bikes and that's what the hobby is all about to me. It has nothing to do with winning BOTM whatsoever.
The forum is open for anybody and everybody to join and with that, they get the right to vote however they please. I don't think anybody can say they don't have a bit of bias if their good mates put in an entry. I didn't realize that if you are a forum member your family, children, close friends etc.... are automatically barred.
It's a hobby ffs, it's not like somebody is fixing the National Lottery.
Now can somebody post a build thread please?
Not had time to build ow't with this going on :teef:
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How about in-thread voting on all BOTM/BOTY competitions from here on in... ???
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Personally most of the bikes that have won BOTY was the best of show so I don't know what the problem is..
Or subscription members can only vote..
it would be best, (not fair on mods etc) if anyone with any behind the scenes connections did not enter the BOTM/BOTY. Same as MK show n shine builds being built and judged by judges. Its a little unethical and will always be open to scepticism.
I don't post on here often and its a shame that this has caused a stain on RAD that I imagine may linger for sometime.
maybe an option to show who voted as well as results would offer some transparency
i'll fook off back under my rock now :-X
good idea and one i suggested in a discussion this morning :daumenhoch:
i used to post a fair bit on the forum but since becoming a moderator i see my role as exactly that. keeping a close eye on what goes on and getting involved only when I feel that some moderation is required. this includes back of house areas i will add, you wont catch me snooping around like a sneaky fooker
i think that if the site does move forward then the role of staff could mean non entry into boty/botm. MK is seperate as judges are not necessarily staff etc
just my thoughts
oh and if there is a secret room then I aint found it and I work here
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Personally most of the bikes that have won BOTY was the best of show so I don't know what the problem is..
Or subscription members can only vote..
it would be best, (not fair on mods etc) if anyone with any behind the scenes connections did not enter the BOTM/BOTY. Same as MK show n shine builds being built and judged by judges. Its a little unethical and will always be open to scepticism.
I don't post on here often and its a shame that this has caused a stain on RAD that I imagine may linger for sometime.
maybe an option to show who voted as well as results would offer some transparency
i'll fook off back under my rock now :-X
good idea and one i suggested in a discussion this morning :daumenhoch:
i used to post a fair bit on the forum but since becoming a moderator i see my role as exactly that. keeping a close eye on what goes on and getting involved only when I feel that some moderation is required. this includes back of house areas i will add, you wont catch me snooping around like a sneaky fooker
i think that if the site does move forward then the role of staff could mean non entry into boty/botm. MK is seperate as judges are not necessarily staff etc
just my thoughts
oh and if there is a secret room then I aint found it and I work here
Dave there is a secret room buddy, there's been one for years :-X
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Personally most of the bikes that have won BOTY was the best of show so I don't know what the problem is..
Or subscription members can only vote..
it would be best, (not fair on mods etc) if anyone with any behind the scenes connections did not enter the BOTM/BOTY. Same as MK show n shine builds being built and judged by judges. Its a little unethical and will always be open to scepticism.
I don't post on here often and its a shame that this has caused a stain on RAD that I imagine may linger for sometime.
maybe an option to show who voted as well as results would offer some transparency
i'll fook off back under my rock now :-X
good idea and one i suggested in a discussion this morning :daumenhoch:
i used to post a fair bit on the forum but since becoming a moderator i see my role as exactly that. keeping a close eye on what goes on and getting involved only when I feel that some moderation is required. this includes back of house areas i will add, you wont catch me snooping around like a sneaky fooker
i think that if the site does move forward then the role of staff could mean non entry into boty/botm. MK is seperate as judges are not necessarily staff etc
just my thoughts
oh and if there is a secret room then I aint found it and I work here
Dave there is a secret room buddy, there's been one for years :-X
no paul there isnt
there was but it went with the big crash :daumenhoch:
there is a staffroom but thats that
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sorry i think the whole thing is a really bad show :-[ I've been around since pretty much the beginning of rad and seen it evolve to what it is today. RAD is the corner stone of OSBMX in the UK, and to me its the standard!! All the FB groups want to be RAD. nowadays i dont spend as much time on here as i should due to business commitments but it doesn't mean I'm not as passionate as I've always been. I'm so happy to be a site supporter and think MK is a blessing, thank you to all mods for their effort, But playing devils advocate. I think mods should not enter BOTM. You are leaving yourself open to this sort thing. I now feel i have been caught up in this scandal (sorry if that is too dramatic of a term)but i had bikes in BOTM and its really has left a sour taste in my mouth now. :( :(
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Many have said its time for a revamp and I think they may be right, not necessarily the whole site but definitely BOTM. What should it be 'mim not really sure right now but RAD needs to get back to being RAD and it's not just down to the owners, admin and mods but mostly us mortal supporters. Pull together to make this place rock once again and the bickering will be long forgotten.
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I think we should all remember this started out with your first BMX and the love affair began there.
It was always about having fun, knocking around with ya mates and trying to outdo each other on trix, bikes, parts or birds pulled due to any of those.
That's why you're here on this forum precisely the same sort of reasons just slightly changed now we're all a lot older n creakier.
We buy, build and dream of bikes we never could afford in our wildest dreams as kids but now with funds and affluence, yes we can afford 'that' dream ride or develop a Harem of bikes to cherish.
Never lose sight that we are in this planet just the once, no replays.
So let's just Fukin enjoy it while we can and not wither away but crash through the gates in a blaze of dust and chrome only to skid majestically waving a 'peace out' sign into the coffin.
If Admin and mods are excluded why not give them their own monthly botm to play around with?
It's unfair their builds not get appreciated at end of the day as so many are superb. But between them let the banter fly which for me is highly amusing a lot of the time.
STAY RAD AND DONCHA FORGET IT
PEACE
Jonboy
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Personally most of the bikes that have won BOTY was the best of show so I don't know what the problem is..
Or subscription members can only vote..
it would be best, (not fair on mods etc) if anyone with any behind the scenes connections did not enter the BOTM/BOTY. Same as MK show n shine builds being built and judged by judges. Its a little unethical and will always be open to scepticism.
I don't post on here often and its a shame that this has caused a stain on RAD that I imagine may linger for sometime.
maybe an option to show who voted as well as results would offer some transparency
i'll fook off back under my rock now :-X
good idea and one i suggested in a discussion this morning :daumenhoch:
i used to post a fair bit on the forum but since becoming a moderator i see my role as exactly that. keeping a close eye on what goes on and getting involved only when I feel that some moderation is required. this includes back of house areas i will add, you wont catch me snooping around like a sneaky fooker
i think that if the site does move forward then the role of staff could mean non entry into boty/botm. MK is seperate as judges are not necessarily staff etc
just my thoughts
oh and if there is a secret room then I aint found it and I work here
Dave there is a secret room buddy, there's been one for years :-X
no paul there isnt
there was but it went with the big crash :daumenhoch:
there is a staffroom but thats that
Staffroom, secret room much the same IMO, I don't really understand why you need one although given the number of mods and admin it's probably been the busiest part of the site until this morning.
Are there people who aren't mods or admin allowed in?
If it's all the people listed on the portal as staff then it's definitely a forum within a forum.
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Personally most of the bikes that have won BOTY was the best of show so I don't know what the problem is..
Or subscription members can only vote..
it would be best, (not fair on mods etc) if anyone with any behind the scenes connections did not enter the BOTM/BOTY. Same as MK show n shine builds being built and judged by judges. Its a little unethical and will always be open to scepticism.
I don't post on here often and its a shame that this has caused a stain on RAD that I imagine may linger for sometime.
maybe an option to show who voted as well as results would offer some transparency
i'll fook off back under my rock now :-X
good idea and one i suggested in a discussion this morning :daumenhoch:
i used to post a fair bit on the forum but since becoming a moderator i see my role as exactly that. keeping a close eye on what goes on and getting involved only when I feel that some moderation is required. this includes back of house areas i will add, you wont catch me snooping around like a sneaky fooker
i think that if the site does move forward then the role of staff could mean non entry into boty/botm. MK is seperate as judges are not necessarily staff etc
just my thoughts
oh and if there is a secret room then I aint found it and I work here
Dave there is a secret room buddy, there's been one for years :-X
no paul there isnt
there was but it went with the big crash :daumenhoch:
there is a staffroom but thats that
Staffroom, secret room much the same IMO, I don't really understand why you need one although given the number of mods and admin it's probably been the busiest part of the site until this morning.
Are there people who aren't mods or admin allowed in?
If it's all the people listed on the portal as staff then it's definitely a forum within a forum.
completley agree. If this staff room isn't listed on the forum page like ' BMX chat' for e.g. Then it's a secret area. Call it what you will but there's no need for this. It's an insult to everyone that pays their way. Some will come back and say it isn't secret. Ok, show me one old thread that openly mentions the staff room & I'll shut up.
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Or is it on a ' need to know' basis?
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Its only accessed by the moderators so they can discuss stuff and bounce ideas about.
I used to have access as a moderator but no longer do.
Its an admin section that's all.......dont try to make it something it isnt
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all I said was it should be known there is a 'staff' room. Nothing more. Am I not allowed my opinion?
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Its no secret there's an admin area, all forums have them.
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It was secret and certain members were allowed in it . It was publicised and certain members were shown threads of other members being slagged off . Myself included !
Nothing or nothing you can see is this room when you check who's online today. It was called the dog and duck if I can remember right.
Nevertheless all this is clouding the underlying issue of members being cheated . 2 main staff leaving the forum in embarrassment is my opinion . 300 posts on Facebook and several threads on here
Not a single apology or statment regarding the issue raised . And certainly not an apology to me for all the shit I've taken getting this out in the open. Just a " Stidds is the only one that knows and he will explain in his own time "
Threats of pulling the plug on the forum and MK .
I will say a big thanks for all my messages ( on text ,what's app and fb ) I've kept them off here as there's rumours admin can read our messages . That's for another day though . And for all the haters with your " good judge of character " where are you now ? We all loved Jim'll fix it didn't we . You never really know what people are like . Everyone has a shop front . Thanks for all the member that had the balls to step forward and say what you thought .
Nothing's been proved or admitted but everything points that way
There has been talk of its needs a shake up ,fresh blood fresh start ,put a line under it . That's the rad bmx carpet . I'm happy to let it stay there . Whatever has happened and all the good hard work people have done behind the scenes is wasted for cheating on a bmx competition that had no gain what so ever .
This mono shock bike thread that was deleted of which I have Seen cheated members from knowing the truth .
Seams I have been judged over the last few days and not everyone that commented know me .
I do hope that rad continues and I do hope we all get, an apology and the truth . I doubt it though .
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Couldn't agree more!
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Yes Craig I do remember it but it went along time ago when we rebuilt the site (4 years ago now I think)
The only place members don't see now is the admin section which is only accessed by mods and admin to discuss site matters.
You all talk about a shake up, but they guys who run the site do a superb job.......if you want the site to pick up and be jumping again then its down to its members.
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I cant see the problem with a secret back room.. how else does this thing get run!!
Craig... what is your beef and personal MISSION with this.... you should get over it dude
RAD is the cornerstone also IMO, others do follow
There is a hiccup atm, and not a little one... but no real BIG deal, and i too was affected by it!!
Big Shame Nick felt the need to step down... one of the good guys also IMO!!
Love RAD, Love BMX, Love MK!!!!
Hope you can continue boys n girls
THAT... is my 5 cents (and i dont want to discuss it with CrazY CraIG!!
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Oh and people ask why didn't I pm Sean . Fact is he deleted me from face book and others immediately when pickle mentioned BOTY and Sean . That tells me he doesn't want to talk to me . He's never spoke to me in all the years I've been on here . No love lost there .
BUSTED
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B O R I N G !!!!
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If your bored after 146 posts this forum ain't for you :daumenhoch: chop chop
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loads of talk about a secret room again......well all forums have them, they are there for the admin/mods to discuss issues on the site, i had one on a forum i used to run and also had access to on on another forum i used to mod on, forums CANT run without them. from what i know (i dont have access) the "secret" room on here is is just used for the purpose of forum admin, its not like the old dog and duck secret room from before the crash where certain other members were also allowed in and tbh not alot happened in there anyway as i found out when a member let me have a look at it.
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I will post what I have found out later tonight as I have a job I cant do it now
I will post what we KNOW not what we or others think or guess
as I said Craig , I will post up the facts later
you can call if you like
PM me for my number
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loads of talk about a secret room again......well all forums have them, they are there for the admin/mods to discuss issues on the site, i had one on a forum i used to run and also had access to on on another forum i used to mod on, forums CANT run without them. from what i know (i dont have access) the "secret" room on here is is just used for the purpose of forum admin, its not like the old dog and duck secret room from before the crash where certain other members were also allowed in and tbh not alot happened in there anyway as i found out when a member let me have a look at it.
Talk because it's happening if you think it's not you're naive.
Facebook groups are run without a staffroom/secret room so why is it necessary on a forum?
If everyone that's listed on the portal has access then that's 19 people, it's a forum within a forum.
Back to the subject of the thread the BOTY this year is a sham and it's only fair to those who participated it should be re-run.
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I'm not on Facebook so probably not best placed to ask this,but why did the whistleblower not do what Craig has done themselves?
It's like they've loaded the gun for Craig to fire the bullets
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loads of talk about a secret room again......well all forums have them, they are there for the admin/mods to discuss issues on the site, i had one on a forum i used to run and also had access to on on another forum i used to mod on, forums CANT run without them. from what i know (i dont have access) the "secret" room on here is is just used for the purpose of forum admin, its not like the old dog and duck secret room from before the crash where certain other members were also allowed in and tbh not alot happened in there anyway as i found out when a member let me have a look at it.
Talk because it's happening if you think it's not you're naive.
Facebook groups are run without a staffroom/secret room so why is it necessary on a forum?
If everyone that's listed on the portal has access then that's 19 people, it's a forum within a forum.
Back to the subject of the thread the BOTY this year is a sham and it's only fair to those who participated it should be re-run.
Of course facebook groups are run with a staffroom, there will be a group in messenger or on what's app etc... all groups that are policed have a 'staffroom' of some description or other. You cant police a public group without being able to talk with staff in private.
Its crazy to suggest you can!!
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loads of talk about a secret room again......well all forums have them, they are there for the admin/mods to discuss issues on the site, i had one on a forum i used to run and also had access to on on another forum i used to mod on, forums CANT run without them. from what i know (i dont have access) the "secret" room on here is is just used for the purpose of forum admin, its not like the old dog and duck secret room from before the crash where certain other members were also allowed in and tbh not alot happened in there anyway as i found out when a member let me have a look at it.
Talk because it's happening if you think it's not you're naive.
Facebook groups are run without a staffroom/secret room so why is it necessary on a forum?
If everyone that's listed on the portal has access then that's 19 people, it's a forum within a forum.
Back to the subject of the thread the BOTY this year is a sham and it's only fair to those who participated it should be re-run.
I've been in the 'secret room' as its being called, as a Mod. It's nothing special, just a place where Griff liked to polish is halo. :angel: :LolLolLolLol:
An example of why it's there, is that, when a banned member tries to set up a rival forum, using the same name, in order to bring this great forum down, the Mods/Admins need to come up with an action to prevent this. On this occasion, the decision was made to make RADBMX a registered trade mark, so that the name could not be used elsewhere. Steps were made, but it took months.
If this had been done without that room, said banned member, using a fake account would have thought, 'I know, I'll get in there before them'.
Seriously, it's really nothing to get agitated over.
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Sham of the month (as many call it) has been a bit of a joke for as long as I've been a member on here 3-4 years now.
One set of rules for most but these rules that can clearly be twisted as long as you're in the right clique & as such i hardly ever bother looking at it & have very rarely voted.
I know lots of members who also feel the same , they put hours in to their restorations with the greatest of intentions & after 1 or 2 attempts at BOTM wouldn't dream of including their bikes again as it's pretty clear even with stellar builds that they don't have a chance of winning... A lot of it has been a popularity contest with (mates voting for mates) a lot of the time.
Yes its's supposed to be (fun) but clearly its a lot more serious than that for a lot of people judging by current events & some of the views expressed in the various threads on here & across Facebook.
But for me the VERY least any entrant should expect surely is a level playing field......
Maybe some things to consider moving forward if BOTM / BOTY is to survive & to help reassure Radsters that this is going to be a fair monthly / yearly event.
1: Moderators shouldn't be able to enter.
2: Open voting should be published showing the time date & IP address of vote.
3: Massive Clamp down on people canvassing for votes & the calling out of those who do this.
4: Site supporters with say 500 posts or more only should be allowed to vote in order to deter some of the multiple account madness thats been going on
5: 1 vote only.
Personally i'm not into competition that's not why i build my bikes, but any competition should be as fair as possible & I hope anyone found to have been found cheating or know that this has been going on will do the honourable thing & throw themselves on their swords so to speak....
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It's nothing special, just a place where Griff liked to polish is halo. :angel: :LolLolLolLol:
seriously Dan.. what the fook are you on about?
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Just fook it off as its obviously causing too much heart ache.
Who are all these members who feel the same?
I often vote for a mates build but only because I know what has gone into it rather than just cause he's a mate.
Its like the judging at MK, people spend millions on a build and think it has a devine right to win, then you look at the bike and half the stuff is not original or era correct. They feel like the place is against them but its not the case.
It would be a shame but maybe best to kill the comp as not everyone can win.
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Ive had a lengthy conversation with Nick Gashead and i am happy with what has been said .
I will not be commenting anymore on the "voting" issue or any other issue that may tarnish the creditability of the site.
I believe there will be an announcement in the near future regarding issues that have been rasied over the last few days along with solutions on how the site moves forward.
My intentions were not to bring the site in to disrepute but merely wanted a fair shot for its members.
I think the site will be stronger now this has been aired .
:radbmxsmilie:
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Ive had a lengthy conversation with Nick Gashead and i am happy with what has been said .
I will not be commenting anymore on the "voting" issue or any other issue that may tarnish the creditability of the site.
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well thank fook for that!!
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Ive had a lengthy conversation with Nick Gashead and i am happy with what has been said .
I will not be commenting anymore on the "voting" issue or any other issue that may tarnish the creditability of the site.
I believe there will be an announcement in the near future regarding issues that have been rasied over the last few days along with solutions on how the site moves forward.
My intentions were not to bring the site in to disrepute but merely wanted a fair shot for its members.
I think the site will be stronger now this has been aired .
:radbmxsmilie:
As said in another thread - yes I have spoken to Craig, and have discussed the recent events. Both Rich and I have worked on this and Rich will post up a reply tonight.
Trust will need to be rebuilt, however do we have the balls to stand and continue, yes.
This is not an admssion of any wrong doing, but as a site owner, I will apologies for all that has happened, and we will endeavour to sort things out for the future of Rad.
Trust me, I've not had any sleep over this, however I will strive to make all good, with old and new support.
Nick
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Just fook it off as its obviously causing too much heart ache.
Who are all these members who feel the same?
I often vote for a mates build but only because I know what has gone into it rather than just cause he's a mate.
Its like the judging at MK, people spend millions on a build and think it has a devine right to win, then you look at the bike and half the stuff is not original or era correct. They feel like the place is against them but its not the case.
It would be a shame but maybe best to kill the comp as not everyone can win.
It's not for me to name names mate & to be honest i wouldn't know most of their user names on here as I've seen these conversations on Facebook in different groups & threads...
I totally also agree with what you're saying about builds at MK & money spend not giving anyone a right to a (win) as I've sen some builds that have cost loads of money & for my tastes just don't work (it's all subjective).
One thing is for sure though, there definitely appears to have been a feeling of discontentment within some members of the community when it comes to BOTM / BOTY & a consensus that it's a bit of a closed shop to a degree & not worth bothering with & from what I remember reading on here in recent months entries have been down as were voting numbers , which might bare this out as a fact..... ?
I honestly couldn't care less about it as I'm not in it for prizes or competition, but for those who are I just think it would be a really poor show if any foul play has been taking place, simply because of the time effort & hard earned cash that people in the hobby pour in to their builds & would like a little recognition for..
Personally I hope it all sorts itself out one way or another.
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Just fook it off as its obviously causing too much heart ache.
Who are all these members who feel the same?
I often vote for a mates build but only because I know what has gone into it rather than just cause he's a mate.
Its like the judging at MK, people spend millions on a build and think it has a devine right to win, then you look at the bike and half the stuff is not original or era correct. They feel like the place is against them but its not the case.
It would be a shame but maybe best to kill the comp as not everyone can win.
It's not for me to name names mate & to be honest i wouldn't know most of their user names on here as I've seen these conversations on Facebook in different groups & threads...
I totally also agree with what you're saying about builds at MK & money spend not giving anyone a right to a (win) as I've sen some builds that have cost loads of money & for my tastes just don't work (it's all subjective).
One thing is for sure though, there definitely appears to have been a feeling of discontentment within some members of the community when it comes to BOTM / BOTY & a consensus that it's a bit of a closed shop to a degree & not worth bothering with & from what I remember reading on here in recent months entries have been down as were voting numbers , which might bare this out as a fact..... ?
I honestly couldn't care less about it as I'm not in it for prizes or competition, but for those who are I just think it would be a really poor show if any foul play has been taking place, simply because of the time effort & hard earned cash that people in the hobby pour in to their builds & would like a little recognition for..
Personally I hope it all sorts itself out one way or another.
I'm sure some bitter people feel this but if you gunna enter you have to expect it's not gunna be to everyone's taste
Personally never felt this way (til this week) I won botm with a copy frameset (not to everyone's taste) and probably sacrilege by others , I'm assuming it was the fact I'd researched and sourced the og parts and I got votes for effort rather than the resulting builds nor have I had conversations or seen such threads about closed shop, I'm hoping what's gone off as a one off and not endemic I'm pretty sure this won't happen again ... Long live RAD
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here's a fun way to learn about the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS
(https://www.bcps.org/offices/lis/researchguide/k-4/images/factandopinion.jpg)
http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/factsopinions.html
In among a few reasonable questions, an awful lot of unsubstantiated bollox has been posted lately (that is a fact :teef: )
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That's actually an opinion until the facts are published.
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That's actually an opinion until the facts are published.
Not true, I said there are some reasonable questions (we would all like the answers to)
I'm talking about the negative general digs at the forum/admin popping up lately that have no basis in fact
Bit like when you see a fight in a playground, some kid will always want to get in at the end and stick a boot in
Everyone's entitled to an opinion of course, but they should be considerate about expressing them in public - some people are gullible enough to believe anything they read
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The facts cannot be proved as there is no way of tracking whats happened .The rad platform cannot save this info but you can look at what info thats here and form an opinion
3 accounts same IP voted
Late night bids
30/40 votes from accounts that have never posted again in the night that put seans bike in the lead
Ridiculous odds on the same person winning so many times
We can only form an opinion from whats above but we wont ever know
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That's actually an opinion until the facts are published.
Not true, I said there are some reasonable questions (we would all like the answers to)
I'm talking about the negative general digs at the forum/admin popping up lately that have no basis in fact
Bit like when you see a fight in a playground, some kid will always want to get in at the end and stick a boot in
Everyone's entitled to an opinion of course, but they should be considerate about expressing them in public - some people are gullible enough to believe anything they read
probably, but I suppose what all this had bought to light is the fact rad does indeed need a shake up and changes to keep the members happy. Only listening to what members suggest & then actually considering their ideas can the forum move forward. If it stagnates , people vote with their feet, as has happened in here over the last 18 months or so.
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nothing wrong with a shake up/refresh and suggestions for improvements are always good - just coming on and having a generic bleat or repeating 'what they heard from X' as a fact is not the same thing, especially if it's something that's blatantly not true. e.g. rumours we can read your PMs is a good example of one that did the rounds!
In fact a few days ago Sean agreed in the 'secret room' to put into action a bunch of suggestions that had been made to try and improve the layout of the site - now he's resigned they might take a bit longer to put into action but hopefully we can get them sorted before too long
If anyone has any website skills out there and could maybe offer some advice please feel free to get in touch via PM
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I've just got a new suit from George ready for my handover griff . Take plenty notes for me griff and leave your number in case I need you
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I've just got a new suit from George ready for my handover griff . Take plenty notes for me griff and leave your number in case I need you
very smart
this number should come in handy :daumenhoch:
0800 131 3151
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The facts cannot be proved as there is no way of tracking whats happened .The rad platform cannot save this info but you can look at what info thats here and form an opinion
3 accounts same IP voted
Late night bids
30/40 votes from accounts that have never posted again in the night that put seans bike in the lead
Ridiculous odds on the same person winning so many times
We can only form an opinion from whats above but we wont ever know
I reckon Batman could find out
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I've just got a new suit from George ready for my handover griff . Take plenty notes for me griff and leave your number in case I need you
Protein shake of the month
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I have said to you all that I would look into the accusations and respond
So here goes
As you have all probably realised Sean was accused of cheating on BOTM and BOTY
Not good for the site or for Sean
Lots of screen shots were sent to various people supposedly showing evidence of said cheating
I have looked at all these as well as delving into the sites logs to see if I can cut through the crap and get to some facts
What I can prove is that Seans IP had three active voting accounts which all voted . I have no idea who they voted for but Jo Seans wife confirms that all three accounts voted for Sean
They belong to Sean , his wife Jo and foster Son Declan
both Sean and Jo have stated that each account was used by the owner of that account and unless I had a time machine that could hover above them when they used them I have no evidence either way
There are many theory's based on timings of votes numbers of votes per account but none of that is anything but guesses and speculation as the logs do not show anything other than that these accounts voted and log in times
You decide if this is cheating or ethical because I am not going to either guess or speculate myself
Other accusations revolve around numbers of members who only logged in to vote 30 or 40 have been used as numbers and this is about right
None of these accounts share an IP with Sean and have joined from the beginning of the new site to hours before BOTY
We also have many Members with more that one account based on IP address
So we do know that Seans house has three accounts that voted and both Jo and Sean readily admit that this is the case
We also know that members have voted for Seans bike and some of those members do not post on the forum. However other bikes in the comp also would have had the same type of voting
So either fake accounts have been set up to vote or some people just vote on BOTY and do not post
We also many members with more that one account
Those are the facts I am sure some will draw a conclusion one way or another but in realty nothing else can be proved
For me it is sad that the opportunity to cheat has been allowed to exist and a better way of voting needs to be found and yes I am sorry that the site has been allowed to be compromised by the ability to cheat
however I would suggest that the scale and potential that it is a lot of people doing this exists and that needs to change
As far as the other suggestions we will look at them all in due course and act accordingly
I also think that the mods on here get a rough ride from some members and that also needs to change as it is a two way street .
I am open to PMs and welcome comments but please we have had enough of a slagging and let's keep it RAD
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Spot on Rich
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Cheers Rich :daumenhoch:
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Thanks Rich. Now that it's all been said, can I make an appeal to radsters? Now that it's been cleared up, can we try to put it all behind us and move on, to make :radbmxsmilie: the best resource out there for old/mid and new school. The community that we have here 99% of the time is something that we should all be proud of, from those who joined up today and have yet to post anything, to those who've been here right from the start. I've only ever met Sean at MK a few times, and only then briefly, but his dedication to the site and the running of MK seemed obvious to me. I for one wouldn't fancy getting up from my drunken pit on the Sunday morning to register peoples bikes for the show & shine. A thankless task :crazy2:. I hope that he feels like he is welcome to participate in all things :radbmxsmilie: in future, and i'd like to think that we can be grown up enough not to make him an outcast. We will all have our views on whether what happened was cheating/unsporting or even acceptable, but there is no proof that any rules have been broken as such. Hopefully we can all move on and the site prosper :daumenhoch:
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Absolutely :daumenhoch:
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Shit happens hey, it always will.
So put this to bed and move on. As a few have said, get this site back on track and buzzing again.
Can we somehow get people's thoughts/ideas etc on what to do to benefit the site? Thin down the categories, somehow make it easier to navigate etc?? Just a thought......... :daumenhoch:
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Thanks Rich. Now that it's all been said, can I make an appeal to radsters? Now that it's been cleared up, can we try to put it all behind us and move on, to make :radbmxsmilie: the best resource out there for old/mid and new school. The community that we have here 99% of the time is something that we should all be proud of, from those who joined up today and have yet to post anything, to those who've been here right from the start. I've only ever met Sean at MK a few times, and only then briefly, but his dedication to the site and the running of MK seemed obvious to me. I for one wouldn't fancy getting up from my drunken pit on the Sunday morning to register peoples bikes for the show & shine. A thankless task :crazy2:. I hope that he feels like he is welcome to participate in all things :radbmxsmilie: in future, and i'd like to think that we can be grown up enough not to make him an outcast. We will all have our views on whether what happened was cheating/unsporting or even acceptable, but there is no proof that any rules have been broken as such. Hopefully we can all move on and the site prosper :daumenhoch:
Bob on Andy :daumenhoch:
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Having read Richs reply I have come to the conclusion that IF Sean was at his work he certainly wasn't the only one that's for sure.
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It's done rod now .
I did expect more replies to the statement in Sean's defence . Especially from the yank voters through the night.
Like Mrs Stidds said I've been stitched like a kipper . I'll run with that . Doesn't look like I'll get my director seat .
I do wish Sean all the best and that he can continue building and entering the competition when a new robust voting system is in place .
The Results from the data going forward will clear him I guess
The smell of fish disappeard real quick
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:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: no really......bike fixing on rad!!!!! never............... aint been on here for over a year and BOOM bike fixing still going on........ and people thought i was just a moaner :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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Welcome back Steven :LolLolLolLol: ;)
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Welcome back Steven :LolLolLolLol: ;)
x2. How's RAD's very own Adonis? :daumenhoch:
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Welcome back Steven :LolLolLolLol: ;)
x2. How's RAD's very own Adonis? :daumenhoch:
lol im good guys thanks for asking :-*
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Bloody hell look what the cat dragged in. Hope your well mate :4_17_5:
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Bloody hell look what the cat dragged in. Hope your well mate :4_17_5:
::) ;D ;D :buck2:
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:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: no really......bike fixing on rad!!!!! never............... aint been on here for over a year and BOOM bike fixing still going on........ and people thought i was just a moaner :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Built some of the best bikes RADBMX has ever had on it (or will IMO) and I don't think ever won a BOTM IIRC.
Took it on the chin and just got on with it.
Did moan a wee tiny little bit though :teef:
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:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: no really......bike fixing on rad!!!!! never............... aint been on here for over a year and BOOM bike fixing still going on........ and people thought i was just a moaner :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Built some of the best bikes RADBMX has ever had on it (or will IMO) and I don't think ever won a BOTM IIRC.
Took it on the chin and just got on with it.
Did moan a wee tiny little bit though :teef:
Totally agree on that.....Steve did build great bikes. :daumenhoch:
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:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: no really......bike fixing on rad!!!!! never............... aint been on here for over a year and BOOM bike fixing still going on........ and people thought i was just a moaner :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Built some of the best bikes RADBMX has ever had on it (or will IMO) and I don't think ever won a BOTM IIRC.
Took it on the chin and just got on with it.
Did moan a wee tiny little bit though :teef:
Before FB there was a backup forum called the rad refuge
We put a special BOTM on there that only Steve was allowed to enter :teef:
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well that's 5 mins of my precious life I wont get back,,ffs boys ,,time to grow up
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well that's 5 mins of my precious life I wont get back,,ffs boys ,,time to grow up
5 mins ?!?! Lucky you.
I lost about 2 fooking days with this bull5hit !!
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well that's 5 mins of my precious life I wont get back,,ffs boys ,,time to grow up
5 mins ?!?! Lucky you.
I lost about 2 fooking days with this bull5hit !!
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and the rest :crazy2:
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Just noticed your post count Dave! :shocked:
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Just noticed your post count Dave! :shocked:
post count is merely a number young man
It is what you do and say that matters most :daumenhoch:
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Just noticed your post count Dave! :shocked:
post count is merely a number young man
It is what you do and say that matters most :daumenhoch:
Not so young anymore Dave, but thanks :daumenhoch:
Fingers crossed I've managed to get hold of that GJS freestyler we were talking about - not Terry's btw. Just waiting for it to be shipped from Philadelphia (if the geezer can get to the post office because of the snow)
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I agree with what Rich and then Andy have both said.
I'd always thought that it would be possible to get more votes if you got several accounts but never thought anyone would actually do it.
What's done is done.
Sean has been a massive positive force on here and has put a lot of time and effort in over many years.
Let's move forward from this and make :radbmxsmilie: great again.
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Just noticed your post count Dave! :shocked:
That was in the days when Dave got first dib dobs on absolutely every fookin thing !!
That was another fix :-X :LolLolLolLol:
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and would also like to think people would welcome Sean back with open arms :daumenhoch:
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Just noticed your post count Dave! :shocked:
That was in the days when Dave got first dib dobs on absolutely every fookin thing !!
That was another fix :-X :LolLolLolLol:
I remember those days Steve. I think Dave had the fastest trigger finger in the west! Pure jealousy on my part! ;)
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and would also like to think people would welcome Sean back with open arms :daumenhoch:
He hasn't said that he wants to come back Rob, he's not said anything. :shocked:
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A "bring back stidds" thread won't be far off . He's been on here daily .
Remember jim'll fix it did loads for charity.
DTDB and pickle why don't you start a bumming page over on FB .
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Do you really not have anything better to do than follow me around the site when I log on and try strirring everything up again.
I said in my other post that I was open to PM's or questions and so would obviously be around to check.
You need to decide what your argument is now about - me not coming on site but voting, or coming on site but you not liking it!!!
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I couldn't give a toss if you come on the site or not Sean . Your Mrs Accounts getting some air time now so fair play .
The bottom line is it's blatant cheating but as the Mods admit, it can't be proven who pushed the keys . But admit there was a lot of unusual activity around the voters accounts . It's come to light that a few banned members voted . Don't ask me how but they have .
If certain members are naive enough to believe that you didn't cheat than that's great .
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. It's come to light that a few banned members voted . Don't ask me how but they have .
Not trying to take anything away from your comments, just trying to separate fact from otherwise
If a member votes on a poll anywhere on the site, then it will show up in their profile even after they are banned. Happy to be proven wrong, but as far as I know there is no way they can vote after the banning has taken place..
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so banned members voted , whilst they were active but cannot vote once banned. we checked
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Stick the screen shot up that Ed had of the votes then ..........Or has he deleted it ?
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I don't know which screenshot you're on about, but whatever is on it isn't going to tell you any different
Just because you're banned, the votes made on your profile before it happened don't just vanish
Petrol is probably not the best liquid to use to put a fire out
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You know what the best thing to do with this .
Get Jaymz to list out the findings of his investigation and what he discovered .You're all forgetting that i didnt dream up all this . This came from inside youre camp .
I suggest that JAYMZ throw up all his findings and then let the people decide for themselves :daumenhoch:
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And re run the competition again .....With Seans bike included
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A "bring back stidds" thread won't be far off . He's been on here daily .
Remember jim'll fix it did loads for charity.
DTDB and pickle why don't you start a bumming page over on FB .
We've all made mistakes/not done things the best way, Craig. I have. I'm sure you have too.
I've only ever met Sean briefly at MK during the S&S registration, so i don't know him at at. He's not really my type anyway, so there'll be no bumming from my end (so to speak)
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Look i was no saint in my younger days . Far from it . Karma has kicked me in the dick over the last few years .
I dont mind if Sean uses his own account to log back in or if he stays away . Like you said we have all made mistakes .
Bottom line is . There was a great deal of unusual activity and numbers around voting on the bike . No one can prove this . I get that .
If you all keep commenting trying to make out im the bad man . Bring it :daumenhoch:
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I'm not Craig. Fair play to you for coming forward and putting your neck on the line. This is the last comment i'll make on the subject. Hooefully see you on one of the rides this year :daumenhoch:
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You certainly will :daumenhoch:
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I wasn't trying to make you out to be a bad man Craig, but if I see something that doesn't seem right then I'll comment on it, otherwise it's just going to fuel further debate for no reason. Like I said before, not trying to take anything away from you - just know that this is being taken very seriously indeed and expect an announcement before too long. I'm not the site owner so it's not my place to comment beyond that but I wouldn't want to be a part of :radbmxsmilie: if I didn't think it was being run honourably/fairly.
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And re run the competition again .....With Seans bike included
Perhaps this is a good idea then perhaps we can put this whole sorry saga to bed. ??? Think Rad's been dragged through the dirt enough now... let's get back to building bikes. :daumenhoch:
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First a voting system that cannot be manipulated needs to be created
We have discussed this for hours this weekend and as you can imagine making something that will allow easy voting and a lack of multi votes is key so it will take time to implement
As will deciding what is fair for boty. But again time is the issue
So if you want tit all done today then unlucky as it will take a good few discussions to get it right
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A way to possibly sort this out could be to run a 'What Did You Vote For In BOTY' thread.
We know how many members voted, so excluding Sean, each of those members (should they choose to) can comment only once, with the bikes/ bike they voted for.
The strength of this, and proof from results, would massively rely on each individual truth and honesty, all coming down to trust. And also that no spoilers jump on saying they voted, when they diidn't.
Just a single member, single comment with the bike/bikes to, none of the additional comments.
Just a suggestion, and it may help?
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Lots of votes from non posters so unlikely they will post to confirm which is why this is a hard issue to resolve
Voting will change once we have a solution
Once we know how we can get an open and honest vote for all then we can look at how we use the new system
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Lots of votes from non posters so unlikely they will post to confirm which is why this is a hard issue to resolve
Voting will change once we have a solution
Once we know how we can get an open and honest vote for all then we can look at how we use the new system
Fair enough Rich, and probably best, under the circumstances. :daumenhoch:
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And re run the competition again .....With Seans bike included
As Sean's bike was only in the running as it came joint first in August with benno ( no doubt using his block votes) I think if it's re run it should be with 12 bikes if it's assumed his other botm wins were legit , if not without stidds bikes at all
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I voted for it in the BOTM and BOTY. I've no idea who Sean/Stidds even is but it's a lovely bike.
All of his bikes are stunners
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I loved that A&A too. The Super X mono shock thing wasn't for me (my personal taste), but it was a good quality build all the same.
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I like Sean's builds . Best one for me was the roger de Costa
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yeah that was gorgeous Craig, the rear brake set up inspired me for my DB build