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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: griff on February 11, 2016, 03:58 PM
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Since we've opened up the FB group to sales, it's worth having some discussion on what everyone thinks about SSTs and how we propose to keep this forum AND MK going.
Things to bear in mind...
We can't charge admission for MK
It takes more than a whipround to pay for it and needs to be organised well in advance (with funds available)
Appreciate any of your inputs, please bear in mind that no single option will keep everyone happy but it's always good to hear your ideas.
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SST is the way if it isn't enough then that's due to its popularity , if more ablutions marquees etc then that's due to non members turning up for the freebie you can't charge but you can stop them using the dog and duck with wrist bands that will save a few hundred in freeloaders having free ale as I said last year they will learn from that lesson and next year pay for an SST and maybe even use the forum, win/win
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*A volunteered % of sales sold on the FB Group to go to the Rad Pot
*Crowdfunding
*Rad Forum Shop or T's designed in collaboration with Dave at B73's with % of sales to the Rad Pot.
*Rebrand MK to put Radbmx UK first in people's minds & explore new branded products.
*Fundraiser rides.
*General fundraising events: BBQ's, Swap-Meets, Car-Boots etc.
I'm sure there's more...
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funny really as most of the people who sell on here are the same every week anyway as not been on the for sale section for ages and still the same people selling stuff :LolLolLolLol:
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Happy to pay my sst as it's great value over the year. Obviously the tighter people will moan that there's no point in buying one anymore, just remember it not only goes towards MK but the running of the site aswell.
Jono's idea about the wrist bands is a good one, suppose charging 50p/pound a can to non sst's would Involve licensing problems then ???
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Agree with Jono, and not sure of the reasons why you cant charge for MK.
But if you can't charge for general admission then camping could be £?? per night (toilet facilities dont pay for themselves), access to the sales tents area £?? Dog and Duck wrist band£?? Hog roast £??. I think we need to ensure that a site supporter tag / status is seen as a benefit, and to those that want to just turn up they shouldn't expect a freebie.
Administering this could be a nightmare i know, but i'd like to see MK live long, even if the site supporters tag price increased a little.
The trouble with facebook sales is they can be on many pages & on the forum, dont get me wrong, i use facebook for buying stuff because it is easy, but saying a percentage of sales total or some other method to direct funds to RADBMX means people will use other pages.
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Agree with Jono, and not sure of the reasons why you cant charge for MK.
But if you can't charge for general admission then camping could be £?? per night (toilet facilities dont pay for themselves), access to the sales tents area £?? Dog and Duck wrist band£?? Hog roast £??. I think we need to ensure that a site supporter tag / status is seen as a benefit, and to those that want to just turn up they shouldn't expect a freebie.
Administering this could be a nightmare i know, but i'd like to see MK live long, even if the site supporters tag price increased a little.
The trouble with facebook sales is they can be on many pages & on the forum, dont get me wrong, i use facebook for buying stuff because it is easy, but saying a percentage of sales total or some other method to direct funds to RADBMX means people will use other pages.
Council land so open to anyone, that stops charging going, selling beer is licensing issue as chubby says only way round is buying wristband, entitling you entry to beer tent and refreshments maybe also allowed to enter bikes into show too, non SST can't enter comp? Gotta make it worth their while joining it's not bribery it's courtesy
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I like some of the idea's put forward. :) Would like to see the Sales section for the RAD BMX site only. This would help bring traffic to the site. :daumenhoch:
:radbmxsmilie:
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I like some of the idea's put forward. :) Would like to see the Sales section for the RAD BMX site only. This would help bring traffic to the site. :daumenhoch:
:radbmxsmilie:
Sales are flying in left, right and centre over on the FB page tonight, non SST holders snapping up all that NOS loveliness. Thumbs down
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If you cant charge, you can have donation buckets at a gate that everyone has to pass through to get in, i dont think anyone would walk/drive in without donating, putting craig on the door with a really scary tan and some tight speedo's should ensure this.
No good for cleared funds before the event but great if you can use SST for supplier deposits and pay the balance at the end of the event
There you are solved.
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Policing entry to MK would be impossible. We could use a wristband or lanyard thingy which could be posted out when you pay for you sst and flash it in the d&d to get you free ale but even this is difficult and probably unnecessarily complicated. I reckon more people buy an sst then ever use the for sale section so maybe the two are not as interlinked as they once were.
Sponsorship would be a possibility but from bitter experience it can taint the independence of something like MK. It really needs to be for the people by the people. The problem is most regular non supporters are happy to turn up and have their slice of pie but rarely put their hand in their pocket to contribute.
we need to think of a benefit to having an sst tag that doesn't have a knock on cost
something like a raffle of sst members to win a complete or frameset from Alans or something might work. If each Sst had a number, so if I was the 26th tag buyer my number would be 0026, then besides the joy of contributing to the site and MK I also stand the chance of winning something.
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I suppose I'm biased as don't use Facebook. But this is a good reason why to have the For Sales for the :radbmxsmilie: website only. :) Have you a link I wouldn't even know how to find the Facebook page. :-[
I like some of the idea's put forward. :) Would like to see the Sales section for the RAD BMX site only. This would help bring traffic to the site. :daumenhoch:
:radbmxsmilie:
Sales are flying in left, right and centre over on the FB page tonight, non SST holders snapping up all that NOS loveliness. Thumbs down
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Clint, I like that idea of your SST being assigned a number and being entered into a raffle or something :daumenhoch:
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Put up a poll SST only, let them decide if FB should only be sales if linked to sale on here
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Put up a poll SST only, let them decide if FB should only be sales if linked to sale on here
Jono, there already is, at the top of this thread. :LolLolLolLol:
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What's the date? ;)
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As said above really SST holders should have benefits like the dog & duck free ale and the free hog roast, putting bikes in the show n shine also and this will i know need policing so itsprob ano go SST holders who want to camp should be given the helipad and the boundry as first choice freeloaders should be kept to the field.
I think we do need to do more like pick a charity for the year and do things to raise money
Raffles for completes maybe on facebook by anyone not just SST should give 10% of earnings.
Last year we had Mr Ruffles join us at MK he was signing loads of stuff we could have used that as a chance to earn some money for a charity £1 a sig if Andy was ok with that
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Where else could you go in the UK, turn up, park up, eat for free and get legless for free, all off the backs of a few people who paid for it? Oh yeah, nowhere. I have never been to MK yet, and rarely drink, but after MK, all you read everywhere is how drunk people got........for free. And you know they are not site tag holders. Such a shame that so many see MK as just a free pi$$ up :yahoo_silent:
How about you make car stickers for anyone camping on site. Number them and sell them here to SST holders only. Display it on your windscreen when turning up, thus allowing you to park near the helipad. Anyone not displaying one will have to park elsewhere.
Also, as others have said, get wristbands made with a number and SST holder stamped on them, and charge for the price of the band and postage. Only sell them to confirmed tag holders.
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How about you make car stickers for anyone camping on site. Number them and sell them here to SST holders only. Display it on your windscreen when turning up, thus allowing you to park near the helipad. Anyone not displaying one will have to park elsewhere.
You would still need to police that, and there are some hard-faced fookers in this hobby, that don't give a shiny shite about this forum, who'll turn up whenever they want, park up and pitch wherever they want, eat some pig, drink free beer, then fook off and slag the forum off for 363 days of the year, for being 'clicky' or some bollux like that.
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How about you make car stickers for anyone camping on site. Number them and sell them here to SST holders only. Display it on your windscreen when turning up, thus allowing you to park near the helipad. Anyone not displaying one will have to park elsewhere.
You would still need to police that, and there are some hard-faced fookers in this hobby, that don't give a shiny shite about this forum, who'll turn up whenever they want, park up and pitch wherever they want, eat some pig, drink free beer, then fook off and slag the forum off for 363 days of the year, for being 'clicky' or some bollux like that.
I wouldn't mind being on the gate with a couple of other volunteers and escorting people to assigned parking plots, if that helps.
And there will be leeches regardless Dan. So if you don't show your wristband, you don't get to eat or drink for free, full stop.
The event is getting bigger, and volunteers will eventually be required to assist in policing the event before it gets out of hand.
I personally don't agree with people get shitfaced with kids around anyway. They may not be physically in sight, but they have to hear it all. I am not a party pooper, but I would never get that way with my kids about.
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Put up a poll SST only, let them decide if FB should only be sales if linked to sale on here
Jono, there already is, at the top of this thread. :LolLolLolLol:
I'm on the piss :LolLolLolLol: not like you ladies watch heartbeat or whatever the fook you gotta watch with the wives lol
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Wristband / lanyard idea sounds great. Flash this to get your free beer, pig roast etc etc. No band....then fook off.
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Im all for the wristband idea , quick google search
Printed silicone wristbands http://adband.com/collections/wristbands/products/silicone-wristbands
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0726/6553/products/silicone-wristbands_a8d9c100-f349-45fe-ad0b-f5338d3a6025.jpeg?v=1449163025)
QTY 500 £0.32ea
QTY 1000 £0.26ea
Vinyl ones are about half the price of silicone
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0726/6553/products/vinyl-wristbands_5eaec1c6-f471-4a04-86e7-9860e6a67477_large.jpeg?v=1430901118)
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They also make for a good keepsake from the weekend if that type of thing floats your boat .
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Good idea. I won't take mine off, so if MK continues for years i'll have an arm full. I know we can't 'sell' tickets and policing the parking would be a pain, but for the hog roast and dog & duck it would be easy. No wristband, no 'free' food/drink. Lets be honest, if people can find out about MK, make the trip there for the weekend with all their stuff, they must have heard quite a bit about beforehand from whatever source. Ignorance on the SST and related topics is very hard to believe. Purely people taking the mick and freeloading.
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Jono's idea makes perfect sense to me, and I buy the SST with no intention of ever going to MK.
I've never been as it's always on our family holiday
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Can we have a bit more clarity on the poll questions please?
It's not clear if they just apply to the Forum or Forum & FB.
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i think the idea of wristbands for the D&D and hog roast is a good one, no wrist band = no freebies, simples. make sure its known well in advance along with the dates for example so that no one can say they didnt know.
as far as sales on FB are concerned it should be SST holders only.
as far as volunteers are concerned now MK is getting bigger, i'm happy to help in any way i can when i'm there :daumenhoch:
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Can we have a bit more clarity on the poll questions please?
It's not clear if they just apply to the Forum or Forum & FB.
Just talking about the forum here, however if you want to talk about FB as well that's fine ;)
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This is more about SST/MK. If someone comes along that isn't a site supporter (peoples wives/parters/kids) for example), then maybe they can get a wristband on the day or in the dog & duck by making a cash donation to the rad pot, so whilst they're not 'officially' site supporters, they are making a witnessed donation/contribution
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i think the idea of wristbands for the D&D and hog roast is a good one, no wrist band = no freebies, simples. make sure its known well in advance along with the dates for example so that no one can say they didnt know.
I think wristbands is the way to go. People cannot be charged on the gate (against council rules) but they could be charged £10 to buy a wristband on the gate - may not have a SST but will then be paying the same amount into the pot ready for next year.
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*A volunteered % of sales sold on the FB Group to go to the Rad Pot
*Crowdfunding
*Rad Forum Shop or T's designed in collaboration with Dave at B73's with % of sales to the Rad Pot.
*Rebrand MK to put Radbmx UK first in people's minds & explore new branded products.
*Fundraiser rides.
*General fundraising events: BBQ's, Swap-Meets, Car-Boots etc.
I'm sure there's more...
SSTs are kind of like an old school crowdfunding anyway - it's a badge to show that you're supporting the forum regardless of whether you use the sales section or not
T-Shirts etc in the merchandise section already do contain a small donation to the Rad pot
The % from sales is a nice idea, but imposing rules & costs might reduce interest and would require policing - of course if people want to do that voluntarily no-one would stop them!
Im all for the wristband idea , quick google search
Printed silicone wristbands http://adband.com/collections/wristbands/products/silicone-wristbands
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0726/6553/products/silicone-wristbands_a8d9c100-f349-45fe-ad0b-f5338d3a6025.jpeg?v=1449163025)
QTY 500 £0.32ea
QTY 1000 £0.26ea
Vinyl ones are about half the price of silicone
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0726/6553/products/vinyl-wristbands_5eaec1c6-f471-4a04-86e7-9860e6a67477_large.jpeg?v=1430901118)
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They also make for a good keepsake from the weekend if that type of thing floats your boat .
I like the idea of a wristband - raises some admin challenges which would need to be considered
Paying for them - if you're going to give one to all tag holders then someone is going to need to get hold of everyone's postal address to send them out, OR hang about at MK waiting to hand them out to people. another idea might be to simply sell wristbands on Saturday to anyone that wants one - but this is only really going to help MK17, not MK16 as everything will need to have been paid for already by then. I think that idea might work though as it's simple (& simple usually works!)
We already do t-shirts, mugs, stickers, calendars etc and will no doubt continue that, but the money raised from those things is peanuts compared with the money you get from SSTs
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another thing on those wristbands..
although I don't think there were many 'freeloaders' last year - if there is anyone scrotey enough to do something like that then in theory there's nothing to stop them getting drinks for their mates without a band, or (if it's one of those snazzy silicone bands) passing it around so they can take it in turns at the bar...
But you would have to be a tight cnut to do something like that :teef:
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i think the idea of wristbands for the D&D and hog roast is a good one, no wrist band = no freebies, simples. make sure its known well in advance along with the dates for example so that no one can say they didnt know.
I think wristbands is the way to go. People cannot be charged on the gate (against council rules) but they could be charged £10 to buy a wristband on the gate - may not have a SST but will then be paying the same amount into the pot ready for next year.
they would have to then be registered as a site supporter Jo otherwise it could be seen by the Council as charging entry or even worse charging for the drinks which would cause licensing problems.
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How about some sort of welcome pack to go with the wristband or lanyard. I'm sure the sst purchases could include the addition of a postal address when you sign up. Maybe a Rad sticker, keyring and a car window sticker? Just stuff that can be bought for pence but make a nice little welcome gift and reinforce the community spirit
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another thing on those wristbands..
although I don't think there were many 'freeloaders' last year - if there is anyone scrotey enough to do something like that then in theory there's nothing to stop them getting drinks for their mates without a band, or (if it's one of those snazzy silicone bands) passing it around so they can take it in turns at the bar...
But you would have to be a tight cnut to do something like that :teef:
With regard to the D&D, you could make it that an empty tin needs to be returned before they can get another one and still only if they have a wristband on - would mean all the rubbish ends up in one place as well rather than thrown all over the place (which then needs the big clear-up the next morning).
As for distributing the bands, rather than charge everyone the postage for them (and obviously the hassle of mailing) - set up another table same as the S&S registration - all you would need is a printed list of site supporters (in alphabetical username order) - go down the list, tick them off and give them a band (or cheaper still a hand stamp). If SSTs were willing to pay the postage for the bands then maybe a 50p collection charge could be applied instead - every little helps.
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i think the idea of wristbands for the D&D and hog roast is a good one, no wrist band = no freebies, simples. make sure its known well in advance along with the dates for example so that no one can say they didnt know.
I think wristbands is the way to go. People cannot be charged on the gate (against council rules) but they could be charged £10 to buy a wristband on the gate - may not have a SST but will then be paying the same amount into the pot ready for next year.
they would have to then be registered as a site supporter Jo otherwise it could be seen by the Council as charging entry or even worse charging for the drinks which would cause licensing problems.
could it not be seen as just 'buying a souvenier band' for that weekend, rather than an actual 'fee for entry'? This would be a one-off fee for that weekend only and if they want to be a SST after that then they need to join the normal way, online?!?!?
Just food for thought
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i think the idea of wristbands for the D&D and hog roast is a good one, no wrist band = no freebies, simples. make sure its known well in advance along with the dates for example so that no one can say they didnt know.
I think wristbands is the way to go. People cannot be charged on the gate (against council rules) but they could be charged £10 to buy a wristband on the gate - may not have a SST but will then be paying the same amount into the pot ready for next year.
they would have to then be registered as a site supporter Jo otherwise it could be seen by the Council as charging entry or even worse charging for the drinks which would cause licensing problems.
could it not be seen as just 'buying a souvenier band' for that weekend, rather than an actual 'fee for entry'? This would be a one-off fee for that weekend only and if they want to be a SST after that then they need to join the normal way, online?!?!?
Just food for thought
the Council and Licensing authorities would not see it that way Jo :(
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"scrotey" - it's a great word. :daumenhoch:
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Arm band great idea!!
Also at MK.. somewhere to buy an SST... then have youre band, enter into a draw and your donation to the event all in one
raises dosh, and hopefully some site traffic..
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On a selfish note I'd keep Rad sales to SST only but if the survival of the site depended on more traffic ( which comes through sales) then I'd go with letting the SST go. ( reluctantly )
I think funds could be raised in other ways but I'd keep the SST. ( I'd voluntarily pay it even if it wasn't mandatory )
Sticker packs for new members seemed a popular idea on a recent thread?
I'd personally like to see a cool 'Sons of Anarchy' style RadBMX logo that could be put on tees, sweats and jackets and SST could have their Rad Names printed at the bottom of the logo.
It would give us a more solid and easily recognisable identity.
It would also be good for newbies to identify themselves and others on the rides.
Just an idea ... I understand it wouldn't be everybody's cup of tea.
I totally agree with the car sticker/wristband for the helipad/dog and duck.
At the same time I can see the logistics of making/distribution/policing of such things.
For me the freeloaders at present are nothing more than a minor annoyance.
I guess the problem starts to get out of hand when the numbers of loyal SST diminish and the size of the heathen hoardes overruns the event.
Something needs to be done now to preserve our fantastic event.
It's always better to be proactive than wait and wait until it's too late.
Whatever decisions are finally made I'm very happy to continue supporting Rad in any way I can.
The very best of intentions and thoughts,
Ant
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I understand it wouldn't be everybody's cup of tea.
I like wearing my radbmx tees when out and about, kept them from previous MKs and also hada few from the merch section
If I'm honest, I don't fancy standing in a field full of people all wearing the exact same clothes with names on the back - reminds me of a bunch of foreign exchange students or bellends on a stag do
But.... with all the years Rad has been going (& the many designs we've had and will have in the future) there's quite a bit of scope for people to take their pick and wear what they want, while still supporting their favourite forum ;)
If there's enough interest I might do a rerun of the Dog & Duck ones - they went down pretty well and raised a bit for the pot, but it's kind of nice that they were a limited run...
There are many talented Radsters out there - if we can get some decent designs there's always scope to add to the merch section too
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Good point well made Griff and some good ideas too..
It would have to be done right or not at all... I wouldn't want anything Naff either but Hells Angels biker clubs don't look like foreign exchange students ... The idea was to have a sense of belonging to 'our' club.
Twas just a suggestion anyways.... I'm not usually one for being a 'joiner' either.
Ant
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If the wristband idea was a goer, one way of getting them out is the old school Blue Peter method of sending a stamped self addressed envelope to whoever gets the lovely job of sending them out. They could be put in the return envelope and put in a post box. Once sent out a thread can be updated as notification.
Or it could be done via paypal but that would mean someone having to get envelopes, stamps, writing the names down then posting them out. More hassle.
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i'm not sure restricting the Heli pad to just SST holders is such a good idea, there is already a view among some that there is a "Elitist" element among the members of RAD or that we are cliquey and i think that would just reinforce it :(
the D&D and Hog roast freebies however is a different matter
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Yeah sack the t-shirts. :LolLolLolLol:
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/CustardLips/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-02-12-12-53-42-1_zpsvpz08twf.png) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/CustardLips/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-02-12-12-53-42-1_zpsvpz08twf.png.html)
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i'm not sure restricting the Heli pad to just SST holders is such a good idea, there is already a view among some that there is a "Elitist" element among the members of RAD or that we are cliquey and i think that would just reinforce it :(
the D&D and Hog roast freebies however is a different matter
In some ways Rad needs to be opening its doors to new members .... Any whiff of elitism or cliques sends many potential new people away.
I guess "we"( Rad ) need to try to get the balance right ....
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i'm not sure restricting the Heli pad to just SST holders is such a good idea,
:pilky: I missed that suggestion.. but agree 100%
All the digs about cliques and elitism I see are usually just the result of rumours certain people like to band around. Of course there are people on here that are mates in real life (& in some cases have been for years) but that's just down to having met a bunch of times, keeping in touch etc.
I met plenty of 'first timers' last year @ MK that clearly had a great time despite what they'd been told
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Arm band great idea!!
Also at MK.. somewhere to buy an SST... then have youre band, enter into a draw and your donation to the event all in one
raises dosh, and hopefully some site traffic..
Good shout , get em to join at MK only cheeky fookers would say no then walk to the bar :LolLolLolLol: have an SST table
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Wristband or Hand Stamp is definitely a good idea. Hand stamp might avoid wristbands being shared around and avoid the postage issue but implementing it over the weekend might be tricky.
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I think wristbands for booze at the Dog and Duck and the hog roast is the way to go. There would still be an incentive to pay for a SST other than sales. I would pay for a SST regardless as £10 for the enjoyment I get from MK is a bargain IMHO. I was late to FB only been on it 18 months but it is a lot easier for loading photos than on here,so I would be more likley to sell on the Rad FB page than the forum TBH. More needs to be made of the permanent side of the forum.Ive heard a few times people suggesting a real vs fake,80s vs re-pop section.I think this is a great idea to be able to come on the forum and check a part you have seen for sale elsewhere is legit.Someone mentioned on FB about using real names on here so you know who is who.I think this is a great idea aswell.Im Andrew Sanford on FB. :daumenhoch:
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Griff, I'm not up on this malarkey , but is there a way to allow sales on Facebook , but restricted to only those that have a site supporters tag ? That way , you can raise a bit of cash through the site and enable sales on both platforms ?
Maybe this would encourage people to come on here ( to initially register for St etc.)and a tenner isn't much to ask ,to open up another sales avenue ( Fbook )?
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Griff, I'm not up on this malarkey , but is there a way to allow sales on Facebook , but restricted to only those that have a site supporters tag ?
Not that I'm aware of Mark
you could set up ANOTHER group on FB (like we need another one of those :D ) and only invite people you know are tag holders, but this would mean -
- you'd need to manually add people into the new group (and as you know rad usernames very rarely match FB names). This was attempted briefly a good while ago but didn't get anywhere, especially once people started pissing about giving out the wrong name
- you'd need to keep on top of everyone's tag status to ensure that they remained live tag holders
- you'd struggle to get new members if the group was closed and if open people would be reluctant to post because they're posting at work/out of sight of mrs etc etc
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It's looking that many of us are definitely on board with the wristband for SSTs idea ( for the D and D and Hog Roast ) :yahoo_silent:
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In my opinion time has come to separate the forum and the financing of MK.
MK could be run a long the following lines people pay for it 6 months in advance giving the organisers plenty of time to organise it and people time to book their holidays. Take a copy of your paypal payment receipt with you and you receive a wrist band for the D&D and a voucher for the spit roast, job done enjoy yourself.
The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
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Just a quick note about the wristband thing ,
I reckon the best way to distribute them is to have a tent set up between say 10am
and closing at 6pm just before the lake ride , for people to collect there wristbands if they are are a SST or buy one for a tenner if the're not .
I know it would mean it being Manned all day , but all the mods and admin could do a couple of hours each to dish them out .
Just push the fact big time that they have between 10 and 6 to pick them up , or they can fook off 👍🏼
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
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Remove restrictions based on SST and open up the sales and wanted section, see if traffic increases...this itself will tell if it has worked or not.
If people are happy to voluntarily pay an SST, you'll also see this when the time comes for them to renew their tag.
The wristband is a great idea, what you don't want to do is create an 'us' and 'them' scenario at MK, one of the many things I picked up on when I was there was how many people heard abut it through the grapevine on the day. I appreciate having something that SST's can benefit from is a great idea to but try not to create something that makes visitors feel ostracized.
Take MK back to basics if need-be
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Most of these ideas could be improvised, but I guess the main thing is the lads that are doing the ' behind the scenes' stuff?
Nick , John , Rich , Ed ( does being jovial, rosy cheeked @ stoned count :LolLolLolLol: ;)) etc etc ?
I'm sure it will get sorted one way or another :daumenhoch:
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??
Northern Ireland Dan :daumenhoch:
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??
Northern Ireland Dan :daumenhoch:
Thought so, so quite unlikely you're going to make the trip to MK, so maybe it's resentment that your £10 would go to help pay for an event you're probably not going to attend??
That's what it looks like?
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??
Northern Ireland Dan :daumenhoch:
Thought so, so quite unlikely you're going to make the trip to MK, so maybe it's resentment that you're £10 would go to help pay for an event you're probably not going to attend??
That's what it looks like?
Probably does but it isn't although that would be the obvious conclusion to make.
I paid the SST for 5-6 years before without quibble or moan, the forum was buzzing, so I didn't mind paying it as I always regarded it as a contribution the best BMX forum on the internet.
In recent times the forum slowed down dramatically so I have questioned what am I contributing to? A forum that I use which is slow or an event I don't go.
Most of the people who go to MK don't even contribute much to the forum as far as I can see.
I'm more of a forum user than a ride out attender or MK goer (obviously) so as I've said before I care about the forum more than MK.
As my opinion rankles with so many I won't give it again although I hope whatever is decided improves the forum.
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Remove restrictions based on SST and open up the sales and wanted section, see if traffic increases...this itself will tell if it has worked or not.
If people are happy to voluntarily pay an SST, you'll also see this when the time comes for them to renew their tag.
The wristband is a great idea, what you don't want to do is create an 'us' and 'them' scenario at MK, one of the many things I picked up on when I was there was how many people heard abut it through the grapevine on the day. I appreciate having something that SST's can benefit from is a great idea to but try not to create something that makes visitors feel ostracized.
Take MK back to basics if need-be
I don't know how to separate a 'quote' to answer each part so will do it in one....
Agree with first sentance in part - free up sales on here BUT stop sales again on FB (already too much scrolling needed on FB this morning to get past sales).
Totally agree with second point - I have always been an SST but mainly because I attend MK and want to contribute.
The wristband is the way to go imo - changing it for each year so people can't re-use them over and over, therefore the SSTs will be paid. Non SSTs should pay 'on the day' - like I said earlier, easy enough to set up a table to issue both SST bands and charge/issue non-SST. As soon as MK16 is over then MK17 bands could be organised and then posted out in advance (as someone said maybe in the Blue Peter style).
However, whether people hear it through the grapevine or not, they should still contribute in some way. I know most of what goes into making MK happen and it is a lot of blood, sweat and guts, together with preparations starting in September for the following year. Being behind the bar and also collecting empties, you get to hear a lot of conversations and it was dissappointing at MK14 to hear people talking about taking the piss by rocking up last minute and drinking all the free beer etc - these same people didn't even donate anything in the big tubs that are forefront on the bar. It seems that these people are either not even on the site or just locals that see everyone arrive. I don't think there is any 'us and them' so to speak, not from Admin/mods/members anyway.
One final comment for Griff - going by MK14 and the D&D T-shirt response - so many people asked where they could buy one that I think it would be a good idea to do some more - maybe too sh0rt notice for this year, but worth thinking about for MK17.
Just my thoughts, if anyone is interested.
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Why not allow non SST have a limited hits to view the wanted..for sale..sold pages.
Only allowed to look at the "main page only" to what listed for sale only.
They cannot click open the link to "view" listed items for sale from SST members prices sold plus not allowed to send a private message till a SST. :chin:
They then get a pop up to say need SST to see this page with a link to join..
Just an idea into tempt new members in to see what they are missing.
I often see more guest viewers than members most days.. :coolsmiley:
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Just a quick note about the wristband thing ,
I reckon the best way to distribute them is to have a tent set up between say 10am
and closing at 6pm just before the lake ride , for people to collect there wristbands if they are are a SST or buy one for a tenner if the're not .
I know it would mean it being Manned all day , but all the mods and admin could do a couple of hours each to dish them out .
Just push the fact big time that they have between 10 and 6 to pick them up , or they can fook off 👍🏼
Simple answer is Mike , let JT, Gaz and myself distribute/sell them from JT's stand .... it is manned by one of us from 8.30am through until 5/6 . I have done it in the past with mugs, t shirts , decals etc etc This way it free's up you mods to party i mean get on with your hard work :D
That's pending JT has a Stall this year and if you trust us with all your cash !! :D
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Wristband or Hand Stamp is definitely a good idea. Hand stamp might avoid wristbands being shared around and avoid the postage issue but implementing it over the weekend might be tricky.
i don't think the wrist bands are removable, I think you have to cut them off :daumenhoch:
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shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
Just for information, The Bmxmuseum.com has had non invasive ads running on the site for a couple of years now. It is still as busy on there as it has ever been, and I have never heard or seen anyone complain about them.
I'm sure Gary, the site owner, would be happy to advise on how it works, if you ask :daumenhoch:
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shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
Just for information, The Bmxmuseum.com has had non invasive ads running on the site for a couple of years now. It is still as busy on there as it has ever been, and I have never heard or seen anyone complain about them.
I'm sure Gary, the site owner, would be happy to advise on how it works, if you ask :daumenhoch:
i have to agree, hardly noticeable.
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Just a quick note about the wristband thing ,
I reckon the best way to distribute them is to have a tent set up between say 10am
and closing at 6pm just before the lake ride , for people to collect there wristbands if they are are a SST or buy one for a tenner if the're not .
I know it would mean it being Manned all day , but all the mods and admin could do a couple of hours each to dish them out .
Just push the fact big time that they have between 10 and 6 to pick them up , or they can fook off 👍🏼
Simple answer is Mike , let JT, Gaz and myself distribute/sell them from JT's stand .... it is manned by one of us from 8.30am through until 5/6 . I have done it in the past with mugs, t shirts , decals etc etc This way it free's up you mods to party i mean get on with your hard work :D
That's pending JT has a Stall this year and if you trust us with all your cash !! :D
Sounds like a great idea Joff. Can't wait for it this year! Better get cracking on my 2 builds :D
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
I want annoyed by your comments, just struggling to understand why you're trying to push ads so hard and separate MK from the forum
I certainly wasn't trying to give you a hard time about not having a tag (by the same token I'd appreciate you not making assumptions about how much I may have put in the Rad pot)
As for the 'forum vs MK', they are as important as each other in my eyes - without either I think the other would struggle to survive tbh - look how far away it is & see how many people are already buzzing about it (not just here, but on the Rad FB group and other groups too) it is by far the best advert for the forum and the highlight of many of our calendars.
I sincerely hope you & the rest of our members in NI make it over and have a fantastic weekend :daumenhoch:
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I want annoyed by your comments, just struggling to understand why you're trying to push ads so hard and separate MK from the forum
I certainly wasn't trying to give you a hard time about not having a tag (by the same token I'd appreciate you not making assumptions about how much I may have put in the Rad pot)
As for the 'forum vs MK', they are as important as each other in my eyes - without either I think the other would struggle to survive tbh - look how far away it is & see how many people are already buzzing about it (not just here, but on the Rad FB group and other groups too) it is by far the best advert for the forum and the highlight of many of our calendars.
I sincerely hope you & the rest of our members in NI make it over and have a fantastic weekend :daumenhoch:
I'm not trying to separate the forum from MK John, MK is the forum event, however, separating the financing of MK from the forum is a totally different subject altogether.
I'll say it again I hope they both survive and prosper and I was suggesting a way this could be achieved in a thread where suggestions are supposedly welcome.
My opinions and suggestions may be totally wrong only time will tell.
Thanks again for your offer of a hearty welcome at MK :daumenhoch:
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On the subject of selling, sell some stuff on the forum Radsters!
No parts = no builds :daumenhoch:
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Voting bump
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To be honest, without Tapatalk, I can't add any pics to any forum thread, so IF I wanted to sell on here to a SST holder, I'd break the rules by not adding pics to sale items.
So, FB is the only option for me. Ironic really, considering I've battled to shut the FB page down for so long.
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Probably just a glitch at the mo Dan........can't imagine its a permanent fault
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Probably just a glitch at the mo Dan........can't imagine its a permanent fault
Checking at daily Rob, it wasn't to everyone's taste (Griff), but it suited me well for forum accessibility.
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Never tried it but I'm sure it'll be fixed
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I think getting pics on here is a big obstacle for a lot of people? I personally would post a lot more if I could get pics on .
However , last night I did manage to get 2 pics on using the attachments link! Only took 15 mins!!
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I think getting pics on here is a big obstacle for a lot of people? I personally would post a lot more if I could get pics on .
However , last night I did manage to get 2 pics on using the attachments link! Only took 15 mins!!
I agree Mark, it's certainly going to prevent me getting involved in a lot of threads on here. I have used my PB app today, but it is a ball ache. ::)
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Probably just a glitch at the mo Dan........can't imagine its a permanent fault
Checking at daily Rob, it wasn't to everyone's taste (Griff), but it suited me well for forum accessibility.
I'm not the only one who thinks it's crap :teef:
Trying to remember who sorted tapatalk in the first place but hopefully will get sorted soon
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I think getting pics on here is a big obstacle for a lot of people? I personally would post a lot more if I could get pics on .
However , last night I did manage to get 2 pics on using the attachments link! Only took 15 mins!!
Plenty of people used to put plenty of pics on when all you could use was photobucket. Cant really see it as an issue but horses for courses, as they say :daumenhoch:
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Still fooked :tickedoff:
Tried to log on in the pub but couldnt fatal syetem error !
New server required i reckon :daumenhoch:
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I think getting pics on here is a big obstacle for a lot of people? I personally would post a lot more if I could get pics on .
However , last night I did manage to get 2 pics on using the attachments link! Only took 15 mins!!
Plenty of people used to put plenty of pics on when all you could use was photobucket. Cant really see it as an issue but horses for courses, as they say :daumenhoch:
I was one of those people Rob, but I had a PC back then, it's too tricky using a phone.
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Plenty of people used to put plenty of pics on when all you could use was photobucket.
It's because people don't seem to have the time or patience any more Rob, everything needs to be done in seconds.
I have never had an issue with Photobucket, have 4 accounts, and it is easy to use. I don't use it when I am not at home, just via the PC or laptop.
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Totally agree Terry :daumenhoch:
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Plenty of people used to put plenty of pics on when all you could use was photobucket.
It's because people don't seem to have the time or patience any more Rob, everything needs to be done in seconds.
I have never had an issue with Photobucket, have 4 accounts, and it is easy to use. I don't use it when I am not at home, just via the PC or laptop.
Exactly. People don't have the patience. Technology is an amazing thing, but can have negative effects. People want everything now. Photobucket can be a pain sometimes, both on the laptop and on my phone, but 95% of the time it works ok
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There's already a tappytalk thread going somewhere (hopefully that can be fixed soon)
In a vague attempt to divert chat back to the thread topic, let's have some more views/votes on how people think MK should be best funded :daumenhoch:
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Free up sales to everyone, voluntary sst, wristbands on the day to identify existing sst holders. There must be a way to list every sst holder, so go to JT's stall (if he has one this year), give in your username, get your name ticked off and get your wristband. Those who aren't existing sst holders can pay on the day, although this should only be for non rad forum members such as those on facebook only or those who are friends/partners/guests of existing rad forum sst holders - Mrs DTTDB for example. Everyone else should pay before MK (no excuse for paying on the day, as we have 6 months until MK). No wristband, no 'free' food/drink and no use of the bogs either. I've just been to Tesco. Bought a sandwich (egg & bacon), a green monster energy drink and a Terrys chocolate orange. Very nice, but lasted less than 30 mins. Cost me the best part of a fiver. Put into perspective, paying £10 a year for the best BMX forum out there (in my opinion), and MK is nothing.
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I broadly like this idea, but couple of admin challenges to work out
we can print out a list of site supporters, no problem
but seeing as usually people don't register with their real name, it's hard to match user names to any form of ID to verify that someone is who they say they are
it would be hard for someone to pretend to be you unless they shaved off their hair and put on a woman's tracky top but there could be ways to be sneaky..
regarding toilet access? good luck getting anyone to volunteer to be toilet monitor for the weekend :teef:
If we are going down the wristband route, I'd be inclined to simply require that access to the D&D / hogroast means paying for a wristband on the day, and keep SSTs on a voluntary basis for anyone that wants to publicly support the forum on an ongoing basis.
This means that they are effectively helping to put money in the Rad pot for 2017, rather than Mk16 since we'll need to have already paid for everything by then.
Personally - I don't want to push SSTs on anyone but have no problem paying my subs, especially since being able to see how the money gets spent. No-one uses the rad pot for personal gain, holidays, expanding their bike collections etc so I have no issue putting a few quid into it. Other people are more happy to support MK on the day with donations, again that's fine (it just makes fundraising a bit more of a gamble as you don't have as much of a clue how much is coming).
Worst case - we empty the pot putting on mk16 and then go 'back to basics' for MK17! I don't think that will happen somehow as long as the good people of Rad continue to support what I think is the best weekend of the year
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Obviously SST should be voluntary but if you not one you don't get the benefits D&D, hog roast it's simple, they can buy one for a tenner, or they can buy an SST n get one for free, their choice, but it's a no brainer just let everyone know NOW I agree with dttdb I'd only sell wristbands on the day to family/friends of SST ok people will lose out if they've not got SST prior to MK but with 6 months notice they will be aware of that if they rad users , if they not they'll learn the hard way n make sure they have one next year as they sit in their tent at night listening to the party in the D&D I know it sounds harsh but they have plenty of notice and if they don't use rad forum or rad FB page where it should be well advertised as SST needed then tough, how dare they turn up n expect a freebie and as I said they'll learn the hard way, if you leave it free they'll just keep coming , reap the benefits and never buy one !
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I've never been but surely everyone who turns up will have at least a tenner in their pockets. I doubt anyone would mind if it gives them food and drink.
Try taking a kid to a theme park and get one drink and some food from a tenner.
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that still doesn't get past the challenge of how to match real people to usernames though (@ Jono)
if we had to police that before handing out wristbands then we'd create a bottleneck trying to get online or something to verify people.
Bit more info - people make a big fuss about the drinks & pig roast but the costs of these are just one part of putting on the whole shebang. Ramps, Bogs, Skips, Marquees etc are much less visible but still very costly and need to be available on Saturday AND Sunday (unlike the D&D/Food which just benefits people on Saturday night)
Looking at the whole picture, this is why I would recommend having anyone (tag holder or not) pay for a wristband on the day so they can physically show that they have made a contribution on the day to the rad pot. It's no different from putting something in the collection jar but would at least put a stop to any potential scrotes lying about having made a donation. No doubt there would be a few disgruntled tag owners complaining about 'paying twice' but there has to be a cut off point somewhere if you're thinking of making changes to the funding model & we have to cover far more than just beers and food on one day. We could do nothing at all, leave it as is and have people moan about 'freeloaders' instead.
Whatever happens, however much money ends up in the pot - it all comes back to the :radbmxsmilie: community anyway. Just to restate - these are just my personal opinions, not speaking on behalf of the site owners/mods but trying to be as open/transparent as possible & contribute to the debate.
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Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)
This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
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Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)
This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated?
Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.
tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anyway
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??
Northern Ireland Dan :daumenhoch:
Thought so, so quite unlikely you're going to make the trip to MK, so maybe it's resentment that your £10 would go to help pay for an event you're probably not going to attend??
That's what it looks like?
I've paid my SST since being on here and I've never been to MK due to the fact my wife always books our holiday the same time MK is on. So I disagree with members not paying because they never intend to go.
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Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)
This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated?
Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.
tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anyway
Fair enough. How about the SST 'owner' creates his own password, then forwards it to admin. A simple printed off list would be all that was needed, when asked for user ID at MK to collect the wrist band , the password would be asked for to match it to what's on the list. Simples.
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Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)
This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated?
Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.
tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anyway
Fair enough. How about the SST 'owner' creates his own password, then forwards it to admin. A simple printed off list would be all that was needed, when asked for user ID at MK to collect the wrist band , the password would be asked for to match it to what's on the list. Simples.
I noticed the word 'simple' came up here twice :teef:
Sounds simple in theory, but in practice I can see a few stumbling blocks ( purely based on every single group request I've had anything to do with to date)
First, decide when to make the cut off date (as different people's tags run out at different times) simple, but someone is bound to be miffed if theirs has recently expired
Second, expect 400 people to bother sending a password to the right person (bagsy not me) by whatever deadline you specify using the right method eg pm rather than FB message & not moan when they send it afterwards when the list has already been printed
Third, get a load of grief when someone accosts you at MK saying it's far too complicated
Or...
Get a load of wristbands made up, put them in a bucket & sell them to anyone who wants one on the day,
Put the money in the pot towards MK17
Or...
Do fook all, wait for backlash when someone suspects they've seen a freeloader swipe a can of fosters :teef:
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Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)
This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated?
Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.
tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anyway
Fair enough. How about the SST 'owner' creates his own password, then forwards it to admin. A simple printed off list would be all that was needed, when asked for user ID at MK to collect the wrist band , the password would be asked for to match it to what's on the list. Simples.
I noticed the word 'simple' came up here twice :teef:
Sounds simple in theory, but in practice I can see a few stumbling blocks ( purely based on every single group request I've had anything to do with to date)
First, decide when to make the cut off date (as different people's tags run out at different times) simple, but someone is bound to be miffed if theirs has recently expired
Second, expect 400 people to bother sending a password to the right person (bagsy not me) by whatever deadline you specify using the right method eg pm rather than FB message & not moan when they send it afterwards when the list has already been printed
Third, get a load of grief when someone accosts you at MK saying it's far too complicated
Or...
Get a load of wristbands made up, put them in a bucket & sell them to anyone who wants one on the day,
Put the money in the pot towards MK17
Or...
Do fook all, wait for backlash when someone suspects they've seen a freeloader swipe a can of fosters :teef:
who in their right mind would want to steal a can of Fosters?.... The most pointless lager known to man........ >:D
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Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)
This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated?
Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.
tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anyway
Fair enough. How about the SST 'owner' creates his own password, then forwards it to admin. A simple printed off list would be all that was needed, when asked for user ID at MK to collect the wrist band , the password would be asked for to match it to what's on the list. Simples.
I noticed the word 'simple' came up here twice :teef:
Sounds simple in theory, but in practice I can see a few stumbling blocks ( purely based on every single group request I've had anything to do with to date)
First, decide when to make the cut off date (as different people's tags run out at different times) simple, but someone is bound to be miffed if theirs has recently expired
Second, expect 400 people to bother sending a password to the right person (bagsy not me) by whatever deadline you specify using the right method eg pm rather than FB message & not moan when they send it afterwards when the list has already been printed
Third, get a load of grief when someone accosts you at MK saying it's far too complicated
Or...
Get a load of wristbands made up, put them in a bucket & sell them to anyone who wants one on the day,
Put the money in the pot towards MK17
Or...
Do fook all, wait for backlash when someone suspects they've seen a freeloader swipe a can of fosters :teef:
I say do fook all John, it's dragging on now, with no easy solution.
MK funding has always been there due to the generosity of the people that care and have a conscience, this won't change, but if there's not enough funds there for next year, then tough, drop the hog roast, don't use the RAD pot to buy ale - ask people to donate beer, give the ramps a miss for a year.
If people want to turn up and have a freebie, without contributing, then they really are proper coonts.
Isn't the most important thing about MK, being together, enjoying each other's bikes and having the craic? Do we really want all the tinsel and trimmings? It's nice to have, but I'd rather have a back to basics event where you guys are part of it too, rather than playing Security Guard/Barman/Wristband Distributer.
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Good points one and all
And Dan is talking sense , we all want to have a great weekend without having to fook about too much the event is so nice because it is a collective effort without rules and hassles for everyone who comes , the srprise of people when they put a donation in the tins and get beer all night is pretty special
We are talking about the funding how we proved and what we can do and comments are great whatever we do wants to continue the vibe of a collective event and The real pleasure of offering a great weekend for you
Band are a great idea but don't want to create an us and them event when the pleasure of giving a beer to visitor is priceless and imho is what makes MK a bit special
We will work it out and have a gretMK I am sure
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Good points one and all
And Dan is talking sense , we all want to have a great weekend without having to fook about too much the event is so nice because it is a collective effort without rules and hassles for everyone who comes , the srprise of people when they put a donation in the tins and get beer all night is pretty special
We are talking about the funding how we proved and what we can do and comments are great whatever we do wants to continue the vibe of a collective event and The real pleasure of offering a great weekend for you
Band are a great idea but don't want to create an us and them event when the pleasure of giving a beer to visitor is priceless and imho is what makes MK a bit special
We will work it out and have a gretMK I am sure
Funds, or not, the Silverfox Roadshow must stay. :4_17_5:
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Good points one and all
And Dan is talking sense , we all want to have a great weekend without having to fook about too much the event is so nice because it is a collective effort without rules and hassles for everyone who comes , the srprise of people when they put a donation in the tins and get beer all night is pretty special
We are talking about the funding how we proved and what we can do and comments are great whatever we do wants to continue the vibe of a collective event and The real pleasure of offering a great weekend for you
Band are a great idea but don't want to create an us and them event when the pleasure of giving a beer to visitor is priceless and imho is what makes MK a bit special
We will work it out and have a gretMK I am sure
This works for me :daumenhoch:
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Long live the Silverfox roadshow :4_17_5:
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Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)
This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated?
Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.
tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anyway
Fair enough. How about the SST 'owner' creates his own password, then forwards it to admin. A simple printed off list would be all that was needed, when asked for user ID at MK to collect the wrist band , the password would be asked for to match it to what's on the list. Simples.
I noticed the word 'simple' came up here twice :teef:
Sounds simple in theory, but in practice I can see a few stumbling blocks ( purely based on every single group request I've had anything to do with to date)
First, decide when to make the cut off date (as different people's tags run out at different times) simple, but someone is bound to be miffed if theirs has recently expired
Second, expect 400 people to bother sending a password to the right person (bagsy not me) by whatever deadline you specify using the right method eg pm rather than FB message & not moan when they send it afterwards when the list has already been printed
Third, get a load of grief when someone accosts you at MK saying it's far too complicated
Or...
Get a load of wristbands made up, put them in a bucket & sell them to anyone who wants one on the day,
Put the money in the pot towards MK17
Or...
Do fook all, wait for backlash when someone suspects they've seen a freeloader swipe a can of fosters :teef:
No cheese option :chin:
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The cash and beer donations every year has worked well.
I have always paid my SST and tried to support the site and will continue to do so.
:radbmxsmilie: rules.
There will be the free loaders that is for certain. You get them throughout life. There is little we can do about that. fistblump
Right lets get the Tshirt design contest open and get the order flowing in for them and Decals :4_17_5:
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The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.
Just food for thought long live the forum and MK :daumenhoch:
You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paul
if you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.
I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer :daumenhoch:
Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.
You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.
We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.
For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.
If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??
Northern Ireland Dan :daumenhoch:
Thought so, so quite unlikely you're going to make the trip to MK, so maybe it's resentment that your £10 would go to help pay for an event you're probably not going to attend??
That's what it looks like?
I've paid my SST since being on here and I've never been to MK due to the fact my wife always books our holiday the same time MK is on. So I disagree with members not paying because they never intend to go.
Good for you :daumenhoch:
More to it than not intending or being able to go which I outlined in my reply to Dan last week, you could have quoted that too. :daumenhoch:
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that still doesn't get past the challenge of how to match real people to usernames though (@ Jono)
if we had to police that before handing out wristbands then we'd create a bottleneck trying to get online or something to verify people.
Bit more info - people make a big fuss about the drinks & pig roast but the costs of these are just one part of putting on the whole shebang. Ramps, Bogs, Skips, Marquees etc are much less visible but still very costly and need to be available on Saturday AND Sunday (unlike the D&D/Food which just benefits people on Saturday night)
Looking at the whole picture, this is why I would recommend having anyone (tag holder or not) pay for a wristband on the day so they can physically show that they have made a contribution on the day to the rad pot. It's no different from putting something in the collection jar but would at least put a stop to any potential scrotes lying about having made a donation. No doubt there would be a few disgruntled tag owners complaining about 'paying twice' but there has to be a cut off point somewhere if you're thinking of making changes to the funding model & we have to cover far more than just beers and food on one day. We could do nothing at all, leave it as is and have people moan about 'freeloaders' instead.
Whatever happens, however much money ends up in the pot - it all comes back to the :radbmxsmilie: community anyway. Just to restate - these are just my personal opinions, not speaking on behalf of the site owners/mods but trying to be as open/transparent as possible & contribute to the debate.
Get what you say about who's who but they gotta know enough they won't have a list of SST and usernames as such you'd have to be some serious cheap bastard to try n pass yourself off for someone else hoping no one knows them personally in order to save a tenner, I can't see that being an issue John and who's gunna risk the public humiliation of trying it
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Back to the question in hand, I think I stand corrected , I didn't think allowing sales on the FB page would generate more on the forum, I was wrong! ...... I'm on here more now as the FB page is now full of sales and what's it worth and is now shit!!! Wonder how many sellers have come on here in last fortnight and joined
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Back to the question in hand, I think I stand corrected , I didn't think allowing sales on the FB page would generate more on the forum, I was wrong! ...... I'm on here more now as the FB page is now full of sales and is now shit!!! Wonder how many sellers have come on here in last fortnight and joined
well since you're on here more now hopefully you can find something a bit more positive to say :teef:
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Back to the question in hand, I think I stand corrected , I didn't think allowing sales on the FB page would generate more on the forum, I was wrong! ...... I'm on here more now as the FB page is now full of sales and is now shit!!! Wonder how many sellers have come on here in last fortnight and joined
well since you're on here more now hopefully you can find something a bit more positive to say :teef:
I'm going to Benairdorm in a fortnight :LolLolLolLol: but seriously the forums great and tbh so was the FB page I realise it's now less work (and abuse) for you now letting them do what they want but it was better I'm pretty sure everything for sale will be available on loads of other pages and don't need to be on rad FB , the threads up for voting and opinions on FB sales and on this subject I can't see any positives mate other than you not having to police it as much and the jibes you get for it ( so completely understand your position)
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well when I look at the FB page I see a decent selection of stuff put up (mostly) by radsters
things so far appear to have been selling quick with no big drama
as for it being shit and full of sales? there's a box at the top of the page with a gallery of sale items, followed by a load of pics from the London rideout yesterday and pics of members' builds...
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well when I look at the FB page I see a decent selection of stuff put up (mostly) by radsters
things so far appear to have been selling quick with no big drama
as for it being shit and full of sales? there's a box at the top of the page with a gallery of sale items, followed by a load of pics from the London rideout yesterday and pics of members' builds...
Listen John if this threads here for only those that think it's good thing, and debunk those that don't, make that clear and I won't give my opinion I think it's a bad thing ok, let's let the vote decide, of late you appear to put snide reply to my comments, get off my back!! I'm not the only one that disagrees pick on someone else cos I don't go quietly if you're still upset with my 11 months notice for a day out in London and your stupid analogy to booking holidays, tough!!! Get over it, you decided 2 years ago to stop sales creating a Facebook group and sales and trade in the process , they become popular and after the horse bolts the policy is changed and all of a sudden 2 years on you're advocating it sorry I agreed with it 2 years ago , I disagree now !!!! For me if you wanna sell on rad FB buy a SST on here , end of!!! If you disagree make your own point rather that try to deconstruct mine obviously if you can show me the sudden influx of SST since sales were allowed I'll bow to the decision but if not this has been said many times by many others ( without your idiotic replies)
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So back to you " nothing positive to say" shut it
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the thread was started to collect people's views and have a discussion - I'm not trying to single you out but simply saying something is 'shit' isn't exactly constructive is it? we should be able to have a difference of opinion without getting personal about it.
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the thread was started to collect people's views and have a discussion - I'm not trying to single you out but simply saying something is 'shit' isn't exactly constructive is it? we should be able to have a difference of opinion without getting personal about it.
Yes we should , if I'm not being singled out (getting personal as you put it) why quote my comment and reply , give your own opinion on it! I went on the FB page saw Pooch and pickles photos ( still gutted but was to Spen notice) followed by loads of sales that are all on other pages and yes they may be members on here but they not SST so not selling on here and that's the point surely, they've not bought an SST they've just been given another free platform and non FB forum SST members still don't get to see the sales , I never quoted you, you quoted me and then you accuse me of making it personal
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read the thread again & you'll see I've responded to most people posting in here
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read the thread again & you'll see I've responded to most people posting in here
Like Pooch's London ride that you didn't even go on , yet felt the need to comment on my "gutted too short notice" reply why go out of your way if it's not a dig
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Sums it up completely now people are asking if they can sell without using the forum , happy to do both, but being told they don't need to , explain how this enhances the forum, sure Paul will stick a link up but others won't
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Or am I just being negative
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read the thread again & you'll see I've responded to most people posting in here
Like Pooch's London ride that you didn't even go on , yet felt the need to comment on my "gutted too Spen notice" reply why go out of your way if it's not a dig
fooksake Jono I (thought I) was having some good natured banter with you
as for not going on Pooch's ride yesterday, I would have loved to have gone and met up with some people I haven't seen in ages but for personal reasons was not able to. Pooch knows why as I told him privately already - it's no-one else's business
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I'm not asking why you didn't go nor would I , just asking why you felt you needed to comment on why I wasn't ! Especially as you weren't going anyway my comment was to Pooch , your comment was to me, forget it, I'll keep my opinions to myself
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Not that my opinion counts for fcuk all these days but......
You're all too close to this - emotionally involved and all that.
I've been saying since the very first MK that it should be a chargeable event and I've always been thrown under the bus for saying it.
But I will say it again. MK should be a chargeable event - especially at this level.
Now, MK16 is going to be a bit bumpy no doubt if a charge is introduced, for all the reasons previously stated. So, the forum subsidises this year. Get some nice Dog & Duck wristbands/posh lanyards/VIP passes/whatever made up and sell them as previously suggested from one stand on the day (and behind the bar for people who only want to drink) But only charge 50% of whatever Admin decide the MK rate should be.
Then next year, full price and no exceptions.
That's it.
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:LolLolLolLol: sorry Rob, I've just got mental pictures of us all throwing you under a bus ;D
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I like to think the bus would trip up over me and scorpion :D
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:LolLolLolLol:
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What about membership?
You pay to become a rad member in the site. Only members can attend the meet.
It's like paying admission, but without all those pesky rules.
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Said it a couple of years back and still say it now. Stamp on the hand or wrist band.. I'll always pay my way👍 Some proper muggy c**ts out there.
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or, just go back to how it started. Everybody turns up and fends for themselves ;) just lay on a couple of bogs to keep it sanitary.
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