Post by: fatalan on August 10, 2016, 12:31 PM
Recently I purchased a Hutch Frame from a member of the radbmx forum. It was sold to me as needing work and it does need work.
The reason why I am starting this thread so early on is that I am the king of procrastination. If I have a build record it will hopefully inspire me to complete the build rather than get half way through and break it. I know that ultimately project bikes seem to end up being broken in the end but Id rather finish it first!
All that has happened so far is I have paid for it. Had it delivered and have booked it in for de-chroming. I will be dropping the frame off Monday.
At the moment the plan is to build a nice looking bike with period correct bits that will not kill me financially!
Starting point
1)Frame as purchased -
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG1273.jpg)
2)Rear brake bridge
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG1276.jpg)
3)Headtube
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG1275.jpg)
Post by: deeman on August 10, 2016, 02:36 PM
What colour are you going to go with? I love the old candy reds and blues...not sure if they were out when this frame was made.
You should be able to build something tasty for a reasonable budget if you use some repop parts here n there. Have you sourced forks yet?
Damo :daumenhoch:
Post by: fatalan on August 10, 2016, 02:56 PM
2 things that have been taking up much of my spare thought process have been included in your comment - forks and colour!
Looking at forks I have seen the "proper" forks in the US changing hands for rather significant amounts of money. I have been looking into similar looking forks - perhaps some landing gears.. not sure. I could always keep my eyes open for proper forks once built. I cannot really justify the cost.
Colourwise I am keen on black but part of me is telling myself to just do something a bit mad.. I considered pink.. I like futuristic black that they did for a while. I think they look good white and a sky blue colour. I have till the frame comes back to decide! Part of the issue I had with the ultra burner I had is that I could see others just like it online.
Gonna be re-pops a plenty on this deeman.. have you seen the price of proper pedals for these! They are thing of beauty but as my first full build Im going for completeness and rideability. I can always look at those rare bits as time goes on.
I really need to have the fork choice made before powder coating really!
Post by: deeman on August 10, 2016, 04:38 PM
Thanks Damo.. thanks for the comment.
2 things that have been taking up much of my spare thought process have been included in your comment - forks and colour!
Looking at forks I have seen the "proper" forks in the US changing hands for rather significant amounts of money. I have been looking into similar looking forks - perhaps some landing gears.. not sure. I could always keep my eyes open for proper forks once built. I cannot really justify the cost.
Colourwise I am keen on black but part of me is telling myself to just do something a bit mad.. I considered pink.. I like futuristic black that they did for a while. I think they look good white and a sky blue colour. I have till the frame comes back to decide! Part of the issue I had with the ultra burner I had is that I could see others just like it online.
Gonna be re-pops a plenty on this deeman.. have you seen the price of proper pedals for these! They are thing of beauty but as my first full build Im going for completeness and rideability. I can always look at those rare bits as time goes on.
I really need to have the fork choice made before powder coating really!
Definitely go mad!! The pink ones look cool..personally I would go candy red, the finish looks amaing. check the galleries of SBD's work, you should see some examples there. white is a little boring imo.
Forkwise, you might get lucky and find some hutch forks..a wanted ad on here may turn some up. Other than that, people usually use Tange ARx or similar, or maybe newer stamped Landing Gears.
Yea, the hutch pedals are stupid money, even the repops...As you intend to ride the bike probably for the best as they are not exactly shin friendly! A pair of Suntour XC II's look similar and nice, if you are getting the frame powdered you could get a bit fancy on the pedal cages or bodies...or maybe a pair of Shimano/Victor DX..It doesn't have to be a full Hutch build to be a nice bike. I have a nice pair of gold Araya 7X which would look ace on there depending on where you go with the colours. :daumenhoch:
Post by: oldschoolace on August 10, 2016, 04:52 PM
Post by: fatalan on August 10, 2016, 05:02 PM
Been looking at SuperBike Steves work and love the look of it. So many colours to chose from and if you cant decide why not have several! Not sure Id go a multi route but i quite like the idea of a nice red or similar.
Forkwise I am looking at ARx Tange as there are a few about. The only ones are see are in very good condition and it seems wrong to take a mint set of forks, de-chrome them and paint them a ludicrous colour (there's a nice set on a famous auction site at the minute). As a man who once broke an MK1 Escort RS Mexico as it was worth more in bits I know how soul destroying it can be to wreck something with a future value!
I agree with the point on shins and Hutch pedals- those beartraps can rip through skin and bone like a knife through butter and other such cliche's... Some true heroes riding with them on!
You got the plan spot on though deeman - build a nice hutch with some nice bits. Its not going to be hung from a wall so id rather have components Im not scared to scratch or damage.
Cheers,
Alan
Post by: oldschoolace on August 10, 2016, 05:12 PM
Post by: fatalan on August 10, 2016, 05:24 PM
Post by: deeman on August 10, 2016, 07:03 PM
If you get a pair of mint chrome forks just leave them chrome...it will still look great.
I will look great I reckon if done right...some repop silver pads maybe...
Post by: fatalan on August 10, 2016, 08:14 PM
I had not really thought about it but I reckon chrome forks will work regardless of frame color especially if accompanied by a few shiny silver components or parts. Nice idea!
Cheers
Alan
Post by: oldscool on August 10, 2016, 08:31 PM
Thats how I had my bikes when I was a kid and thats how I like them a mix of parts I like the look of. Most BMX bikes evolved when we were kids we swapped parts all the time. Im not a fan of bikeshop builds I think they are a bit dull.
Post by: fatalan on August 10, 2016, 08:38 PM
I think I'm getting a clearer idea of how to go with it.. I think a nice frame colour with period chrome or polished parts might be the way this is going. My problem is I needed to create a build thread to make sure I got this thing built! I am very bad at seeing a plan through to the end. I usually do finish what I start but the "backburner" section of my shed can become very full very quickly! I'm starting to get excited now.. appreciate the help gents!
Post by: fatalan on August 22, 2016, 06:31 PM
Decided on my color schemes and powder coating colour so updates will follow. I know there are lots of threads that start and never go anywhere hence the update 👍
Lots of shopping to do. I did intend going to MK but having lived there for many years I just couldn't get the motivation to drive down from Cleethorpes. Having seen the pics I should have.. looked awesome. I'll get this hutch sorted for the next one.
Post by: factory pilot on August 22, 2016, 08:13 PM
Seriously dude if you procrastinate we are all here to confuse you even more! ;D
Looking forward to this one :daumenhoch: 8)
Post by: fatalan on August 31, 2016, 03:44 PM
As I'm due to get the frame back within the next couple of days I need some help..
1) No way am I going to be able to fit the "correct" forks to this.. I simply could not justify the cost and it wouldn't be a budget build - Does anybody have any fork suggestions that would fit? Ideally period correct..
2) I have been looking at crank options. Hutch stuff looks beautiful but again the cost is quite scary. Having seen so many bikes ending up being broken once built Id rather not have a fortune invested and not need to sell it once built. Historically I didn't like 3 piece cranks due to creaking etc and was a fan of One Piece Cranks. Is it possible to fit an OPC on one of these frames? Any 3 piece suggestions?
I was going to fit some 7x type wheels as I don't recall seeing one of these on Skyways.. Would be cheaper to build with Skyway "news" with Kool Caps but not really what I'm looking for.
As the hutch stems are beautifully made I will probably just polish a MS-422 SR within an inch of its life. I know hutch used these with a "cap" but they seem quite pricey...
Once the frame is in my hand I'll inspect and the post pictures of the frame as it is now. I am pretty excited!
Sorry to ask what may seem like such basic questions. I probably shouldn't have tried to do a Hutch on a budget but Ive dipped my toe and fell in it seems.
Post by: fatalan on August 31, 2016, 07:48 PM
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG1618.jpg)
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG1619_edit_1472669527657.jpg)
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Post by: BMX1973 on August 31, 2016, 09:01 PM
Post by: fatalan on August 31, 2016, 09:11 PM
I'm struggling to get a picture of the frame where it doesn't look black.. its only in light the purple appears. That was how I wanted it but its difficult to photograph hence the photos not being the best really.
Post by: oldscool on August 31, 2016, 09:42 PM
Post by: fatalan on August 31, 2016, 10:00 PM
If you've got anything you feel might be of use Dave you are welcome to drop me a PM! I cant guarantee purchase that day but period correct and ready to be polished is good for me!
Ill get a better picture of the frame tomorrow.. Its a black base with a purple meta-flake type effect. I like it but I need good light to get a picture where its not just black. I don't really want to apply any graphics until the end. A final touch type thing.
Post by: fatalan on September 01, 2016, 05:21 PM
The frame today..
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/b28475d2-d079-4cd1-8425-646fcf5514aa.jpg)
Drop outs
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG1626.jpg)
And Im on the lookout for some reasonably priced forks.... :D
Post by: CustardLips on September 01, 2016, 05:51 PM
Like BMX1973 says... Tange forks are your best bet and shouldn't be too difficult to find. :daumenhoch:
Post by: BMX1973 on September 01, 2016, 06:38 PM
To keep cost's down you could go with a one piece crank. :) Although I'm biased as most people know on here I have never built a bike with a 3 piece. ;D :daumenhoch:
Post by: fatalan on September 01, 2016, 07:27 PM
BMX1973 - I think I am very likely to go the opc route. I'm kind of working on the basis that I want to build it up first. I could perhaps but some nice parts on once its usable. I prefer riding with an OPC but a nice 3 piece is a thing of beauty.
CustardLips - I have put up a wanted ad. I do like Tange stuff. Always looks nice. As long as it fits and looks right (and is safe) I'm good with it! Who knows.. I might find some cheap undrilled Hutch forks one day.... "nono"
Im going to have to go with layback seat post and some sort of far reaching stem so that I might actually ride it. I don't really want to go with bars pushed right forward.
Post by: BMX1973 on September 01, 2016, 09:02 PM
Better off with a lay back seat post if you need the leg room. I always use one on my riders. :) Don't lean the bars too far forward as you will then be leaning over the bike. It will not feel right. :daumenhoch:
Post by: fatalan on September 10, 2016, 11:58 AM
Budget blown..
Back to the powder coaters.
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG1768.jpg)
Going to be a while now.. I've got to get my PayPal fun funds back up..
Post by: oldscool on September 10, 2016, 02:53 PM
Post by: fatalan on September 10, 2016, 03:00 PM
The likely answer is no.. more sparkly purple black base goodness!
Cheers,
Alan
Post by: fatalan on October 09, 2016, 01:59 PM
I'm still wondering if I was right to go with the colour scheme but it's on now and very thick. My initial plan was to go with a budget build but now its not seeming so budget since the proper forks were obtained. It may end up getting re-done before purchasing graphics for it..
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/alanr1/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG2340.jpg) (http://s1155.photobucket.com/user/alanr1/media/Hutch%20BMX/IMAG2340.jpg.html)
Post by: Avro on October 10, 2016, 07:47 PM
The componentry colour scheme/finish will need some thought to match the bling frame and fork.
I have a build coming up, all Japanese, where I decided to source mostly from the SR parts bin. I has proved a great choice as they are quality parts but do not attract silly money. Also availability has been good. I do not know how this approach would work with something as American as apple pie though. Maybe ban yourself from nos? OPC would be a very good way of saving money for other things and can look just as good with a nice chainring assembly.
Look forward to more updates :daumenhoch:
Post by: oldscool on October 11, 2016, 09:12 AM
Post by: fatalan on October 11, 2016, 12:47 PM
I have to agree oldschool - it might end up having a colour change as soon as its built. I was torn between so many different colours when I ordered this. I remember getting a car sprayed and taking about 2 or 3 weeks deciding on colour. Its down to if I can get a reasonably priced set of graphics for it.
Regarding the NOS stuff im building it to use it a little bit so I'm quite happy with tidy used bits. I'm planning going to down the route of old school racer - spoked wheels etc but the colours would be important. Im starting to sound like a girl!
Even the misses reckons that the colour would make a nice nail varnish!
Next im going to get looking for a nice headset.
Post by: oldscool on October 11, 2016, 09:09 PM
Post by: fatalan on October 11, 2016, 09:18 PM
whats out there the black seems to come on foils to go on chrome. I think black might look ok yet subtle. on the other hand it might look rubbish. I didnt know if only judges came with chrome letters. Failing that i'll have to go with a white set.
I suppose i could summarise as "not sure"
Post by: deeman on October 11, 2016, 09:56 PM
Post by: oldscool on October 11, 2016, 10:19 PM
Post by: fatalan on October 11, 2016, 11:11 PM
I do quite enjoy polishing but I wouldn't like to do it full time.
There seems to be a lot of bikes being broken (more than are being built it seems) so there seems to be some nice rare period items around reasonably priced. Some may argue that if the market is declining im wasting my time. The build is more because I want a hutch though rather than I want to invest in hutch parts.
Im not a fan of wheel restoration though.. I am rubbish at threading all the spokes... last one i did took days and lots of swearing!
I think black would not be a good look. Hutch US sell graphics and I have seen a man in France selling kits. I quite like the idea of chrome or white.
Post by: deeman on October 11, 2016, 11:41 PM
Some may argue that if the market is declining im wasting my time. The build is more because I want a hutch though rather than I want to invest in hutch parts.
That's the only reason to build it! No rules saying a Hutch must have Hutch parts...
I am sure Del would probably do the decals...he is the best in the business and here in the UK
If it were mine which it's not I would go for chrome decals or silver...whatever the originals were, matched with the 'chrome' Hutch pads :daumenhoch:
Post by: fatalan on January 07, 2017, 07:19 PM
Well.. it's still in progression. Got some Hutch restoration graphics (couldn't get hold of Del).
Mucked up the application
Need to buy more..
Essentially I didn't realise I should have used water so I've got some bubbles. They are not instantly obvious but I know they are there
Just wanted to say hello so the world knows the build didn't stop.. I just ran out of money at Christmas!
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Post by: deeman on January 07, 2017, 11:24 PM
Post by: fatalan on January 08, 2017, 06:53 AM
I'm going to have to sort it out. It's just not pretty.
I'm annoyed with myself as I have applied graphics before on a motorcycle and solid that wet.. don't know why I thought this would be any different!
I'm pleased With the overall look of silver graphics over the purple so at least I know I'm heading in the right direction.
Post by: deeman on January 09, 2017, 09:11 AM
I got rid of lot using this method but the large graphic on the lower tube looks quite rough when close.
I'm going to have to sort it out. It's just not pretty.
I'm annoyed with myself as I have applied graphics before on a motorcycle and solid that wet.. don't know why I thought this would be any different!
I'm pleased With the overall look of silver graphics over the purple so at least I know I'm heading in the right direction.
Definitely the right choice of colour for the graphics...does look ace so far! :daumenhoch:
Post by: oldscool on January 09, 2017, 10:12 AM
Post by: fatalan on January 13, 2017, 06:44 PM
I got a new set of graphics so I have put them away safe. I will be looking to get the rest of the bits sorted and then apply graphics as a finishing touch.
Im pleased with the colour scheme thus far. I think staying with chrome will work well. Back to an earlier comment I think I will go with a one piece. I can always change to something else in the future.
Glad to come on here and get help. Im pleased I paid my subs! I am on the verge of exploding at some of the negativity on the Facebook groups at the moment. Lifes too short!
Post by: griff on January 17, 2017, 11:50 PM
Post by: MrD on May 04, 2017, 07:59 PM
Im also building a Pre serial Hutch Pro Racer, its a matter of time waiting/hoping for the right parts to become available :(
Heres the built to date.
Anyone got a Hutch seat post ???