RADBMX.CO.UK
Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Freestyle (frame stands and kickturns galore!) => Topic started by: akh666 on October 20, 2006, 05:20 PM
-
Hi everyone,
Just got back into this Old School lark (again) by accident and now its eating away at me? Anyway. Any advice on a nice freestyler that would give me back a bit of cred (which I lost in `86) but will be practical?
I am after a rider and not a show bike but want a good old schooler. Would pay up to £300. I`ve been looking at Streetbeats, Freestyler masters and Sports but know not what I do.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. :daumenhoch:
-
check out my streetbeat in the museum, yours for £200, & its a rider not a showbike, looks far better in the flesh, ask motomag...
-
Get a haro.
There the best :daumenhoch:
-
but not one he wants lol
youll never hear the end of it lol
:P
-
The retro haro sport would be a good choice. Sub £200 leaving a bit of spare cash to lighten it up a bit.
-
Do yourself a favor, get a new school bike now instead of in six months time and save some money :daumenhoch:
-
Thanks everyone.
Can anyone tell me whether the Quadangle would make a good rider? I feel like splashing out on what could possibly be my only BMX purchase. My kitty has just risen by £100. Thanks again.
-
Do yourself a favor, get a new school bike now instead of in six months time and save some money :daumenhoch:
I agree. I bought an old school bike to ride when I was getting back into it, then ended up buying a new school a month or so later. Cut out the middle man (bike) and save yourself some bucks.
Old school bikes are for show nowdays not for riding. I didn't believe it either when I got back into it.....
-
Thanks everyone.
Can anyone tell me whether the Quadangle would make a good rider? I feel like splashing out on what could possibly be my only BMX purchase. My kitty has just risen by £100. Thanks again.
they are made of balsa wood
-
Do yourself a favor, get a new school bike now instead of in six months time and save some money :daumenhoch:
Yes, If you want to ride it, then, get your self a New skool.
Or a New skool with an old skool look ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b366/claire169/IMG_0184.jpg)
-
Interesting info thanks. When I say ride though I mean a gentle one with my daughter and wife on a Sunday. I`m too old for the half pipe now. Still no good?
-
you're never too old to ride a half pipe.
we saw our very own Billy Stupple riding one last night at the ripe old age of 41.
Reminds me of BITD when Neil Stevens was the grand-daddy of BMX at 23.... :LolLolLolLol:
-
Interesting info thanks. When I say ride though I mean a gentle one with my daughter and wife on a Sunday. I`m too old for the half pipe now. Still no good?
yeah everyone says that
then you go to a skatepark have a little roll around a couple of little jumps
then before you know it
you'll be down casualty like the rest of us :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
HOOKED take the advice get a new school £300 you'll get what ya need
-
I guarantee I won`t be doing any jumps and the new school thing is defeating the object so now i`m chuffed off. There must be a half strong old schooler for a Sunday jaunt surely. Come on guys frickin help me out here. I need to do this i`m 37 now and my knees are still intact, just. Thanks again.
-
yer u can take the wife & kid 4 a gentle one down rom on a sunday afternoon.
-
or the morning when the rest of us old gits are there. :laugh:
-
I guarantee I won`t be doing any jumps and the new school thing is defeating the object so now i`m chuffed off. There must be a half strong old schooler for a Sunday jaunt surely. Come on guys frickin help me out here. I need to do this i`m 37 now and my knees are still intact, just. Thanks again.
Get a Haro Master 85 then, there`s still a few nos ones about and they are quite strong. I wouldn`t use any f/f thats been used and is twenty yearsa old tbh because no matter how good it looks you can`t tell if there`s any stress on it, or if it`s rusting from the inside out.
If they are too exspensive then a nos Prolite Reflex will do ya :daumenhoch:
-
I fully intend to buy NOS anyway so no danger there.
Thanks for the info..
Just for info whats the ultimate Old School dream bike for everyone? Going to get a poll going but I reckon Hutch will p$£s it.
Ta for now
:daumenhoch:
-
I fully intend to buy NOS anyway so no danger there.
Thanks for the info..
Just for info whats the ultimate Old School dream bike for everyone? Going to get a poll going but I reckon Hutch will p$£s it.
Ta for now
:daumenhoch:
I still like Skyway T/A's :smitten:
-
Check this out not Nos, but well worth bidding on...
http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-BMX-FREESTYLE-HARO-INVERT-USED-TRADE-IN-SWEET_W0QQitemZ120043671528QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64644QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
-
Ok I'm fairly new on here and I don't want to be controversial but what the hell is so wrong with old school bikes? Everyone seems to be under the impression that they were made of silly putty or something! After 23 years of riding the only bike that I have ever broken was a Raliegh Ultra Burner (actually I think that they were made out of silly putty!) I managed to mildly bend a trickstar once but I did fall from about 20 feet (off the back of a quaterpipe - not sure how I got it so wrong!!!) and even then it straightend out and was riden by my brother for years.
OK, there have been technical inovations, brakes are better, headsets are better, 3 piece cranks are cheaper, alloy wheels actually stay straight for more than a day. But tune in your brakes (using quality components only), fit a decent locking headset, maybe a sealed bearing on your crank and......hmmm......yes the wheels were rubbish but skyways last forever (even though they are heavy) look fantastic and you could always bolt in a set of modern wheels for serious riding if you really feel the need).
I've got nothing against new school bikes. I am considering one myself. But you could argue that they often have quite lazy geometry that makes them great for jumping but quite tricky to really chuck around. Most of all, they lack soul (at least they do at the moment - in a few years everyone will be saying that they are bendy and they will become classics!!!!). Also, new school bars are too narrow and what happened to the seat posts? What's that all about? :LolLolLolLol:
If you like the look of and old school bike, buy one and ride it. The chances are that you won't break it, unless you are a real dufus. And if you do, at least it died doing what it was built for. I always liked the trickstar and rl-20 but they are wildly expensive now. DP freestylers were nice and I can't imagine that they are that expensive. Many posters on here love Haros and GT performers. So do I. That would be my pick list. As long as you stick to fully 4130 frames, I don't think you will have a problem. Aluminium frames are OK but for really abusive dirt jumping type use, I have seen a few snap. Oh no! now I'm saying oldschool bikes break!! It's infectious!!!!
-
Street beat..........lots about=cheap as chips+strong as fook!
Or aero reflex.........lots about=as cheap as the chip wrapper+doesn't matter if it breaks as there's lots about and cheap. :daumenhoch:
-
Yeah, I like those reflexes. Quite tempted by one myself.
-
Yes....very pleased with mine :smitten: and all built for less than £70!
Go on......treat yourself! ;)
-
Streetbeat is tuffer than the Aero Reflex as I have bent mine at the drop outs, straightened no probs and no kinks
-
Any oldschooler will be fine for a ride out along the paths with the wife and kids but thats what we all said we'd do!!!! you'll see! ;)
-
Great news. Old schoolers are Ok for gentle ride outs. Good, now back to searching.
I really fancy a Quadangle as I think they are about the best looking bike out there (personal opinion only).
So here it is, whats the safest bet Street Beat, Haro Freestyler Sport, Master or FST, or the Quad?
Any help would be great and you`ve all been tops so far and if anyone is selling any of these please let me know.
When I finally get one I`ll send in some pics from A+E.
Cheers all.
-
I just get the slightest feeling that you would quite like a Quad. Am I right?
I say build the bike you love. Quads are cool. You will only regret it if you don't.
Have you seen the re-issued Quads?
http://www.sebikes.com/2007/news.asp?id=95
Personally, I would buy original but it looks rather nice! (and the brakes will work! - oh no! I'm slagging off old school again!)
-
Yes would love a Quad but just concerned about strength as they look a bit feeble.
I like the look of the reissue looptail but its all about the Old School for me.
I want that feeling back from the Eighties when it all went mental, oh god I sound like I`m trying to recapture my youth. I guess I am.
What it all boils down to is buying the bikes now that mum and dad couldn`t afford then.
I need to see a councillor.
Anyway I love the Haro`s though and Skyway have that certain something.
Thanks again
-
A reissue Quad would be a good buy, should be collectible too as they are only making a few.
The old ones were designed to be light for Racing, not really to be incredibly strong.
Just looking at my frame here, and although there are many tubes they are smaller diameter even than a GT race frame, it's quite delicate really.
Many freestylers used them, but we were all a lot lighter 20 years ago. Plus the 'rusting from the inside' issue.
Old for show, new for go.
-
I would have to agree that my recollection is that quads were really used for racing but were used for some very early freestyle (a bit like pk rippers really - having said that when I mentioned aluminium frames breaking earlier - it was a ripper). But what are you really planning to do on it? If you even slightly suspect that you may get into it all a bit again, I would steer towards a master or a streetbeat.
Old for show, old for go, new for thinking about.......and then buying old anyway.
-
If you're going to ride it then I'd go for a Streetbeat, so if you bend it you can get another pretty cheap(ish), although there's plenty of '85 Haro Masters around as well if you dont mind splashing out a bit more.
-
Old for show, old for go, new for thinking about.......and then buying old anyway.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k134/redxxvi/bmx/bobbyg.jpg)
I know what you mean though, oldschool bikes have a unique look.
I'm not sure if the new looptail Quad is built as an exact replica, or will be more sturdy.
At least it's new metal. As others have said a Streetbeat or TA will be a lot stronger I'd think (assuming no damage)
-
The big problem is not the f/f but the stem, although I find the new school bikes a lot more stable once in the air than an old school. When I got back into bmx a couple of years back it was on a Haro Master and nobody was going to tell me that new school was better, but after six months I was completely new school ::)
Here`s some pics why :
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v472/billstup/BrokenGraphites002.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v472/billstup/Harodamage003.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v472/billstup/Stem002.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v472/billstup/Harodamage006.jpg)
I still use a T/A for old school races, but once the bike leaves the ground it has a mind of its own as to where its going :crazy2:
-
Old school bikes aren't exactly made out of putty but they are weak compared to what we have now.
I was about 8-9 stone when I used to ride a Skyway. I'm sure we've all put on a bit of weight since then, hence weakness of the old frames would come to light a lot quicker.
There was less pressure on frames back then just from the trick range back then. Kickturns on a trick ramp or low airs out of a 6-8ft vincent ramp were hardly going to cause too much damage. Nowdays there are so many variations of a ramps, that more extreme jumps / airs are being done. Tailwhips airs / jumps / flyouts appear to be fairly basic to today's riders, and I'm sure the old school bikes wouldn't be able to take the pounding whilst learning them.
As for Skyways being strong.....just ask Carlo how many street beats he used to go through.....ok i know we weren't all doing 14-15ft airs back then.... I think at one time Carlo and Matt were breaking almost as many as were being sold.
I would love an old school bike to ride that had new school strength and new school brakes. I think Haro are doing that sort of thing.
-
I appreciate the pics of that poor Haro but the question is can I do that kind of damage going down a kerb or over a tree root because thats about as heavy as I intend to go. I don`t even think I could pull off a wheelie anymore so ramp work is not going to happen. For me its all about the bike and how it looks. I understand fully the whole show bike scene but for me getting on a genuine Old Schooler and actually riding it would be the ideal. BMX has definately evolved over the last 25 yrs and it appears more "street" now than back then when the magazines were full of team riders donning full Team wear and helmets. Thats what BMX is for me and i`ve been away from it for 20yrs (although ESPN Classic has brought it to the fore again). Got to say though its nice to be back and reminiscing again. Thanks everyone.
ET has got a lot to answer to. .........Oh and on that note I would love a Kuwahara as well......and a BSA Bullet with chopper handle bars.Sad. :idiot2:
-
i ride my 83 supergoose dont wanna break any bmx records but ride the track ,street local skateparks ect , but i have to say i have bent bars cranks ect just from baling , if i had any room in my gaff for another bike i probably would get a brute ugly new school bike to ride , ive never been on one , i dont even like them but the guys on the site know what they are talking about and if they say new school is best to ride and the radest guys on the planet ride new school then new school it is , they handle better they are bomb proof and they are cheaper
-
I am sure I would benefit from a New Schoolers strength, ride etc but thats not the point. I want an Old Schooler for me and me only so it has to be just that otherwise there would no point to all of this. Its all about whats gone before and what was considered cool when I was a kid and nothing more. Saying that though I also don`t want to make an arse of myself on a bike with brittle bones. I just want to ride and care for my own bike and a BMX from BITD is the one of choice.
By the way NOS is what i`m after, a survivor carries too much risk.
Once again thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.
-
I want an Old Schooler for me and me only so it has to be just that otherwise there would no point to all of this.
Its all about whats gone before and what was considered cool when I was a kid and nothing more.
Absolutely. I've stopped myself from buying a desirable bike a few times because it was 'after my time', and I suddenly questioned why I was considering it.
Case in point would be a 90's PK Ripper. Beautiful bikes, but I'll stick to pre-'87, because to be honest my 20" bikes will not be used unless I ever make it to a RAD meet.
Why buy one that doesn't have a personal connection if, as in my case, it's not going to be used.
I know your going to use yours, but I suppose similar reasons apply about bikes you had or remember seeing.
NOS oldschool Quadangle F&F's pop up occasionally on Ebay and on this site. You could place a wanted ad too.
One just went on Ebay for £350, so they're not cheap.
The past few I've seen from the US have been around the $500 (£265) mark, but after shipping and import duty it could be much the same.
The good news is they can still be found, unlike NOS Rippers which go for £700+ for F&F alone, and usually attract a lot of bidders/last minute snipers.
If you were to buy a complete NOS-built bike you would probably find the frameset is considerably cheaper when all the parts are taken into account.
Just keep searching :)
-
Cheers. I will. And thanks for the advice.
The search continues.
-
In all honesty, if I were in your shoes and was adamant that I would not be doing any proper riding, then I would definitely buy an old school bike and definitely a street beat. i think what me and a lot of other people on here were thinking is that you'll get an old school bike just for a gentle ride here and there, then think this is fun and try and learn something new and before long be itching to learn as many new tricks as you can. i would just say, try and remember back when you use to ride and remember the buzz you got the first time you pulled a trick you'd be trying for ages. i can't imagine any ex-rider buying a bike and not being curious about what they could still do. you may try a trick that you use to love and get close now, and you'll think "i know i can pull that" and before long you'll constantly try to pull it, then you'll want more... bmx riding is a drug. you may want to dabble with it, but before you know what going on, you are fully focused on pushing your skills to a new level.... you have been warned....
-
The big problem is not the f/f but the stem, although I find the new school bikes a lot more stable once in the air than an old school.
Can't say I have this problem.. The only time my bike gets air is when i lift it into the back of the car :LolLolLolLol:
-
This is on the Bay, very tasty... and pricey...
http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-SCHOOL-BMX-QUADANGLE-F-F_W0QQitemZ280041361492QQihZ018QQcategoryZ64644QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thanks everyone.
Can anyone tell me whether the Quadangle would make a good rider? I feel like splashing out on what could possibly be my only BMX purchase. My kitty has just risen by £100. Thanks again.
-
I know one thing, if I did try and pull any adventurous tricks I`d end up in casualty.
I was sawing wood yesterday and feel like I`ve been beat up.
So defo no major tricking for me. But then maybe............nahh. The voices in my head......stop.
-
Anyone tell me the difference between the Skyway streetbeat, streetscene and streetstyler? besides the oval tubing.Thanks
-
The street beat was prodiminantly just a frame and fork set. the street styler was a complete bike. i had both, and couldn't see any difference in the frames...maybe the metal was slightly stronger on the street beat?? the street scene was a budget freestyle bike. very weak, no ridged top tube and flatter around the seat tube. i think might have been hi-ten steel frame too....
i'm sure someone will correct me though.... :-\
-
Thanks for that, stay away then?
-
Nonsence, The street beat is strong enough for me a 16 stone rugby player.... maybe im smother than all u old farts on here as I have never bent or broke wheels in my life even now the beat with a tuff neck and flights strong as you'll need
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/DSC03315.jpg)
-
depends on what you are staying away from. the street beat and street styler will be plenty strong enough if you're not going to push it to it's limits... if you are just intending on cruising on an old school, then a street scene should also suffice.
-
Nonsence, The street beat is strong enough for me a 16 stone rugby player.... maybe im smother than all u old farts on here as I have never bent or broke wheels in my life even now the beat with a tuff neck and flights strong as you'll need
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/DSC03315.jpg)
Thanks but the "weak" reference was for the Streetscene and not the beat. But thanks for info and demo.Impressive.
-
Hi
I still only ride old school, and would most likely choose a Haro Sport for a new build as they are longer than a Master, so easier to ride, have the great name of 'Haro' and still look great!
The bent Haro of Billies must of had a serious wipeout and hard landing and the stem was also up a little so that is a fair bend.
Even back in the day, three piece cranks snapped and Skyways broke, but it's pretty damn hard to bend a cheap single peice crank and also to bend an Araya Aero.
Many old bikes that I know of that have been ridden hard are still in one peice and nearly original, as the solid parts and smoothness of the old tricks save any bending.
If you are going for ramps and new tricks, then fair call new school (but for me the bars feel so wrong, they weigh a ton and most have no class or variation) - just my opinion.
J.
-
just buy what your heart desires, youll learn, your own way eventually. theyre not that dear really. in comparison to a car...
-
Once again thank you.
I think the Haro Master or Sport are now favourite but the Streetbeat is nagging away at me.
We`ll see.
Thanks again..
Oh by the way what sort of price for the above in good nick?
Ta..
-
There's a nice green master complete bike on fleabay for £250 starting bid.
**CLICKY** (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARO-FREESTYLER-MASTER-1985-BMX-BIKE-OLD-SCHOOL_W0QQitemZ120047255630QQihZ002QQcategoryZ22677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
-
Depends on how much you want too spend buddy,the beats are cheaper and probably stronger, if you want a good beat I have 2 green and a baby blue available.TA's are still great bikes and I havent bent any yet.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/DSC06028.jpg)
-
Just out of interest, how much do you want for the beats? and are they complete bikes or just f+f?
Cheers Rob :daumenhoch:
-
There's a nice green master complete bike on fleabay for £250 starting bid.
**CLICKY** (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARO-FREESTYLER-MASTER-1985-BMX-BIKE-OLD-SCHOOL_W0QQitemZ120047255630QQihZ002QQcategoryZ22677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Is it worth £250? Know the frames good but what about the other components?
Thanks for the info
-
For £100 less you could get Weston's street beat.....it's on the bay now with a reserve of £150.......got much better parts (other than the Z's) but much stronger! it's also in the for sale section........you could always get the grey colour changed??
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bmx-skyway-streetbeat-old-school-haro-mongoose_W0QQitemZ190045854459QQihZ009QQcategoryZ22677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Just my oppinion of course :daumenhoch:
-
There's a nice green master complete bike on fleabay for £250 starting bid.
**CLICKY** (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARO-FREESTYLER-MASTER-1985-BMX-BIKE-OLD-SCHOOL_W0QQitemZ120047255630QQihZ002QQcategoryZ22677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Is it worth £250? Know the frames good but what about the other components?
Thanks for the info
Yes I would say thats worth £250 easy, its got z rims, Dia compe MX 1000's + a Nos Green 85 Master will cost you about £150+ & its a complete bike so you can ride it now & get better parts if you want later.
-
There's a nice green master complete bike on fleabay for £250 starting bid.
**CLICKY** (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARO-FREESTYLER-MASTER-1985-BMX-BIKE-OLD-SCHOOL_W0QQitemZ120047255630QQihZ002QQcategoryZ22677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Is it worth £250? Know the frames good but what about the other components?
Thanks for the info
Yes I would say thats worth £250 easy, its got z rims, Dia compe MX 1000's + a Nos Green 85 Master will cost you about £150+ & its a complete bike so you can ride it now & get better parts if you want later.
Given the choice of the Master or Streetbeat what is the best option for an all round rider. I am now confused as I have a few options but don`t know which way to turn. My heart says Haro but again the Beat is a tempting one. Again excuse my rustiness please, its been a while.
Thanks again
-
Hi
It's called a 'Master' for a reason ;), you got to love them.
J.
-
Disagree there the beat is as good as it gets, just remeber Neil Ruffel and Carlo Grigs
-
You got to love Rad -
Disagree there the beat is as good as it gets, just remeber Neil Ruffel and Carlo Grigs
And lets not forget 'Bob'.
;)
J.
-
Disagree there the beat is as good as it gets, just remeber Neil Ruffel and Carlo Grigs
and Craig Campbell, Mike Canning, Pepi Winder, Scott Freeman, Karl Denton, Scott Carroll....
-
Disagree there the beat is as good as it gets, just remeber Neil Ruffel and Carlo Grigs
So how much for the Beats then mate. Are they riders?
Quote me happy.
Jesus this bike buying lark is hard work. I am useless at making decisions.
Ta
-
Between the master and the Street Beat, I'd say flip a coin or pick the one with the nicest color. You'll have a blast and can't really go wrong with either of those assuming that's the size you like - both are fairly short.
I got back on in like '98 or so and put together an old Street Beat then found I liked riding the new parks. Upgraded to new school stuff and it sure made a difference in the parks. But, when I'm outside screwing around in the parking lot it feel like I'm throwing a pig around. So, just a few nights ago I started putting together a scrounge rider Street Beat from parts in the garage. I plan to use this bike when I take my 2 1/2 year old to the park. Looking forward to: the frame platform, the quicker steering, shorter wheelbase, the lighter weight, the taller bars, a seat height you can actually sit on and hold with the bars X-ed for side glides.
-
There's a nice green master complete bike on fleabay for £250 starting bid.
**CLICKY** (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARO-FREESTYLER-MASTER-1985-BMX-BIKE-OLD-SCHOOL_W0QQitemZ120047255630QQihZ002QQcategoryZ22677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Is it worth £250? Know the frames good but what about the other components?
Thanks for the info
Yes I would say thats worth £250 easy, its got z rims, Dia compe MX 1000's + a Nos Green 85 Master will cost you about £150+ & its a complete bike so you can ride it now & get better parts if you want later.
Given the choice of the Master or Streetbeat what is the best option for an all round rider. I am now confused as I have a few options but don`t know which way to turn. My heart says Haro but again the Beat is a tempting one. Again excuse my rustiness please, its been a while.
Thanks again
My guess is....if your heart says Haro (and you can afford it) then go with your heart.......the Beat is great (i would say that i have one) but if its a Haro you've always wanted....then you'll only kick yourself if you don't get one.
Not to get back on the Old school/New school thing.....you could buy one of the 06 Haro sports? that way you have a retro feel but a new school toughness??