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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Steve P on October 31, 2006, 11:42 PM
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I'm having major problems trying to find someone willing to take on my Pro Class F+F and refinish it in black/smoke chrome. I am now thinking about getting it powdered coated black instead, just because it's easier to get done and probably cheaper too. I've also thought about standard chrome but I prefer the original smoke finish
Help me decide . . . will I blitz a nice frameset if I get it powder coated in black :-\
Cheers
Steve
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hold tight fella thers is a way of doing that smoke chrome black stuff and ive read it and talked to somebody about it but due to chemical abuse i cant remember how its done :uglystupid2: but someone will tell you :LolLolLolLol: (just not me) :LolLolLolLol:
so dont get it powdered just yet :daumenhoch:
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I've heard that some powder coaters can achieve similar finishes but my local one frowned when I mentioned it. I've also spoken to several car wheel refurbishers to see if they can get a finish like these wheels on my car . . . they're not interested either >:(
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a217/steve167690/Misc/MR2wheels.jpg)
Steve
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stidds or pk radman are the fellas to talk to about this , lee (radman) , knows a fella who painted two sets of bars for a turbolite i had and a harry leary turbo i still have - and they came out really well - hope this helps :daumenhoch:
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I think Stidds done his himself, he just used some smoked lacquer (sp) and spayed it over the chrome, and it looks the bollocks :daumenhoch:
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I think Stidds done his himself, he just used some smoked lacquer (sp) and spayed it over the chrome, and it looks the bollocks :daumenhoch:
Cheers Billy.
When I restored the smoked chrome finish on my Pro Class I used tinted lacquer, this is how the original Pro Classes were finished, they were not a chemical smoked chrome.
I went to a local car paint manufacturer and told them what I wanted and they made it for me. I asked for a light tint with a hint of brown (Mongoose used a hint of brown, Diamond Back used a hint of blue for the HL Turbo). I applied about 6 light coats until I had the shade I required.
What you need depends on the use, obviously powder coating is tougher, but as my bike is a show bike I wasn't so worried about the toughness of the finish.
This is the result.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/ProClass1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/ProClass2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/ProClass3.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/ProClass4.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/ProClass5.jpg)
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Hhhhmmm...in this lovely catalogue ad that was provided by Duncan...it says that the Black Chrome Pro Class was electroplated? Here is the catalogue page and a link to, "Electroplating".
http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html (http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k134/redxxvi/mongoose/mongoose4.jpg)
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Stidds I love that bike, and the finish as Billy said is awsome.
I guess what might help others would be if your guy still knows the mix he brewed for you!
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Steve, don't take the easy route. Wait and get the correct finish bud. I've got one I need doing as well, and I've been waiting months for my painter to get some 'black chrome' paint, which he says will do the job. I'll chase him up again. ;)
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Cheers everyone . . . been looking at pics of your Pro Class Stidds and it looks superb :smitten:
Wait and get the correct finish bud. I've got one I need doing as well, and I've been waiting months for my painter to get some 'black chrome' paint, which he says will do the job. I'll chase him up again.
LMK when you get an answer Guy and I'll make more enquiries in the meantime . . . cheers mate :daumenhoch:
Steve
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something like this would be ideal nigh on impossible though
http://www.steelnavel.com/category.asp'type=MI&ID=23&MID=185
http://www.ultra-express.co.uk/site.htm
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Never thought about a jewelers . . . always worth a try. Nice one :daumenhoch:
Steve
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check out this place the chamber is only 1m x1m mabe some one has a big enough one to PVD a bike
http://www.ultra-express.co.uk/site.htm
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cant you get the burner boy to superchrome it tinted smoke instead of black?
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what about this
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What about the GT process of running an electric current through the chrome effectively "burning" it black, was a much sturdier finish than the DB n Goose though I'll agree not as pretty :) BTW if anyone knows anybody willing to do this LMK tried quality chrome n they said nah don't do black :(
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the problem is that chromers do runs of chroming ie they do the brass one day, then the nickle next then the top layer chrome next , they cant do individual finishes , if you had a run of smoked chrome on an industrial scale they might consider it
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whats classed as industrial? Am sure there are a fair few radsters that would be up for it ;D
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steve,im going to see one of our paint suppliers within the next couple of weeks about paint for my leary,was speaking to the rep the other day and he said they have a new lacquer for alloy which he recons they can tint and would have more chance of staying on as its made for polished surfaces i will keep you posted mate :daumenhoch:
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Thanks Phil :daumenhoch:
My Pro Class is will need a rechrome before the lacquer and I reckon I'll have to get that done first. There's some minor flake on one of the rear stays
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a217/steve167690/Pro%20Class/ProClassRearStays.jpg)
This is gonna be expensive ::)
Steve
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it seems that there is a paint product called clear 4 chrome which can be mixed with a full range of candy tints to produce any colour paint effects , check out the website looks really good , maybe superbikedan could do this :laugh:for us
check the site out http://alsacorp.com/clearcoats.htm
or uk
http://www.chromepaint.com/index.php?cPath=2&osCsid=a8005b2325795eda4e9056ef71490360
« Last Edit: Today at 06:38 pm by selfpreservation »
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That's what I've been waiting for my painter to get
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The smoke finish does come off with Solvol. I've polished the forks and they are now minty chrome . . . shame the rear stay has flaked otherwise I'd have a minter :'(
Steve
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Hhhhmmm...in this lovely catalogue ad that was provided by Duncan...it says that the Black Chrome Pro Class was electroplated? Here is the catalogue page and a link to, "Electroplating".
http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html (http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k134/redxxvi/mongoose/mongoose4.jpg)
I already said this a while ago...the Pro Class was proper electroplated Black Chrome... not painted or laquered... No one believed me ;D ::)
I take it you had no Joy with the wheel refurbishers then :( Isn't there a guy on here that does chrome finishes? Chrome UK or something... ?
Maybe he does Black Chrome ???
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Cheers Andy :daumenhoch:
I contacted the wheel refurbishers you told me about and still awaiting a reply. It looks like I'll end up getting the F+F rechromed instead now . . . shame, cause I do prefer the smoke finish
Steve
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i am liking this thread i have nothing relivant to add however when you have the reciepy i will use it thanking you and my spelling is not bad its all typing mastakes
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i must say stidds pro class is the best atempt at black chrome ive seen,i thought about doing mine in a similar way, but the factory riders always had normal chrome so thats what i went for
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v697/mattskybeat/p1-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v697/mattskybeat/p2a.jpg)
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Stidds Pro Class is awesome... I spent most of the weekend sat next to it with my eyes wandering over it. I had Sawzalls Dreamy Pro Class the other side too..... heaven :smitten:
Thats a Beauty too Mat... :coolsmiley:
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Hhhhmmm...in this lovely catalogue ad that was provided by Duncan...it says that the Black Chrome Pro Class was electroplated? Here is the catalogue page and a link to, "Electroplating".
http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html (http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k134/redxxvi/mongoose/mongoose4.jpg)
I already said this a while ago...the Pro Class was proper electroplated Black Chrome... not painted or laquered... No one believed me ;D ::)
I take it you had no Joy with the wheel refurbishers then :( Isn't there a guy on here that does chrome finishes? Chrome UK or something... ?
Maybe he does Black Chrome ???
It says on the advert High Polished Show chrome, so was this just normal chrome then, not smoked??????
Got a pic of it in normal chrome
(http://)(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/jimmyp12/bigadvertpage01T.jpg)
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Yes m8... frame and fork sets were produced in Show Chrome and Black Chrome :daumenhoch:
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Thanks m8, i think i would go for the show chrome but never seen the black chrome in the flesh :-\ :-\
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Once bitten m8.... ;)
forever in search of a black chromer :D
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I am also on the look out for some blk smoke chrome for a DB T Lite I am restoring, I have seen the ghost chrome and to be honest it is too light in colour, I have everything apart from the frame & Forks sorted sorted and I am desperate to get it back tot he original colour and glory !
Any help would be grately appreciated !!
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Turbos and Turbo lites are a deep gunmetal blue/purple colour.
I am looking into it :daumenhoch:
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What about mixing black ink into a 2k laquer,or just try spraying the black ink onto a test piece of chrome ;)
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OK like many others I bought a DB HL Turbo & TLite with the View to doing them up but asking around no one seems to know a company that can do !! there is lots of talk about Electro plating etc.. and types of paint and smoke chrome lacour etc...
pros and cons to most of them lacour peels off quite easy, Paint never gonna get the right effect
However......
How ever I think I have found a solution
http://www.fhlambert.com/services/nickel_black.htm
the Black Nickel is an Electrolytic colouring process which gives it a BLuish Black Chrome finish I am gonna speak to this lot first thing on Monday to see how I get on this bunch do all sorts so I think they would have no probs doing a F&F
I have a meeting in Watford on Wednesday so I will take the F&F to them see what they got to say !!
I will post a review once I have spoken to them, if they are any good I will let you know
Ta for now :LolLolLolLol:
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WoW . . . that looks fantastic and I'll be very interested to know how much they'll charge to do this :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a217/steve167690/Pro%20Class/ProClass.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a217/steve167690/Pro%20Class/ProClassRearStays.jpg)
Steve
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Steve I also put a post on
http://www.fhlambert.com/mi/gallery.htm
Look at the band camp trumpet looks de nuts :LolLolLolLol:
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Yeah, I saw that trumpet earlier. That black finish would look so cool on my Pro Class :D
Steve
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Am thinking it may even suit a GT pro ???
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if it is or can be done as good as it looks then chap the choice is endless I am thinks GT pro, Haro, PK Stripper !!!
lets hope they will be on our side if it is then we have found the holly G well here is hoping
KR let you know 2morrow
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if it is or can be done as good as it looks then chap the choice is endless I am thinks GT pro, Haro, PK Stripper !!!
lets hope they will be on our side if it is then we have found the holly G well here is hoping
KR let you know 2morrow
:)
Russ ? ,
I'm interested in this also for my Vector blk chrome :daumenhoch:
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You`d better find out the cost first :crazy2:
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Just spoken to them got an appointment to meet MR Lambert the MD on Wednesday taking the bits down there so will let you know exact costs etc... once I have spoken to him
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This sounds the ideal colour for Leary Turbos too :) Nice find m8... :daumenhoch:
I looked into Gunmetal finishes... they only work on carbon steel though :(
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Just spoken to them got an appointment to meet MR Lambert the MD on Wednesday taking the bits down there so will let you know exact costs etc... once I have spoken to him
I'm all excited now and keeping my fingers crossed that it's an affordable process . . . nice one :daumenhoch:
Steve
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Can you also find out how they would want to take delivery of parts? ie stripped of paint, powder or chrome??
If price is good then I expect they will get quite a bit of work!!
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NP I will let you know on Wednesday evening after the meeting with them fingers crossed and all that, I do not think they would have a problem with delivery but I will ask the questions !
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leary's have a blue'ish tint but keep me up to speed - posted this the other day
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=23866.0
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OK Chaps the answer you have all been waiting for I went to there offices today more like a Bank Security Centre the work areas were absolutely Mint I saw them in action doing the Instruments looks metal the colour was amazing.
The MD was very nice and polite and gave me the best advise, the good news is it can be done :daumenhoch: the bads new not by this firm the reason being is there tanks are not large enough to hold a frame of 36" + :'(
However they have put me in touch with the UK Institute of Metal Finishers of which I have now spoken to them and advised them of our problem, he has assured me there are people who can do this work for us in the UK and is going to get me the relevant details :4_17_5:
I explained that there are very keen enthusiasts who are after this solution for both new bikes and old bike restorations he has promised to get back to me tomorrow after lunch so watch this space !!!!
Once again the solution is out there and nearly in our grasp, I will update you all tomorrow :LolLolLolLol:
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N1 fella your endeavours are much appreciated, am sure you will be getting shouted the odd pint for sorting this if it comes off, good researching that man!! P.S. If a bit of the old boys networking is required, my mates dad is no2 at the cotton workers guild (I believe they are no longer a functional guild but due to the nature of the guild ie cotton which was huge, they still have impressive functions n plenty of dolla dolla bills! )
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good news, but does anyone know anyone who has got a smoked nickel trombone ;D
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Sadly no... the trombone was too big for the tank. He has a powdercoated Cornet though ;D
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Right Chaps nearly there I have today received a couple fo responses one goes as followes
Hi Russell
I have been copied your enqiry We do market a product called Trichrome Smoke.This is a trivalent chrome applied ontop of bright nickel to achieve the Smoke appearance It is not as dark as black nickel but still quite an attractive finish Please let me know if you want any further info
Regards
Bill Jones
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I spoke to him briefly this evening and he is gonna send me some pictures so we can see the quality and colour also to discuss costs, how many people poss might want this doing numbers please and I will let you know on the costs early next week
We will get there evenutally :daumenhoch:
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Keep up the great detective work and if the price is right . . . I'm defo up for it :daumenhoch:
Steve
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Me too :)
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Chaps still no reply as yet I am off for a week or two to the sunny Middle East so this will have to wait for a while a new year a new restore bike hopefully !!!
I will be in touch I do have access to emails so I will let you know should anything come through
Have a gooden speak soon ;D
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No panic on my part and thanks for keeping us updated . . . have a good one :daumenhoch:
Steve
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No panic on my part and thanks for keeping us updated . . . have a good one :daumenhoch:
Steve
Any updates Russ ?
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Matt none as yet been too bust riding my bikes and trying to fit in some work I am still on the case one of my neighbours is a sprayer and is coming around this week to discuss the possibilities and solutions I have not really been in the office to email the chaps and stuff !! will let you know back in the office next week well partially in between riding and stuff !!!
KIR speak soon
Russell
PS happy new year to all :LolLolLolLol:
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Hhhhmmm...in this lovely catalogue ad that was provided by Duncan...it says that the Black Chrome Pro Class was electroplated? Here is the catalogue page and a link to, "Electroplating".
http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html (http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k134/redxxvi/mongoose/mongoose4.jpg)
I already said this a while ago...the Pro Class was proper electroplated Black Chrome... not painted or laquered... No one believed me ;D ::)
I have a mag article that says they where lacquerd.Maybe the earlier ones where lacquered and the later ones Electroplated.Anyone got an original to see?
I take it you had no Joy with the wheel refurbishers then :( Isn't there a guy on here that does chrome finishes? Chrome UK or something... ?
Maybe he does Black Chrome ???
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Can these guys sort DB Turbos as well??
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Reviving an old thread...but...what was the outcome? Did you find someone to do smoke chrome...?
Come on guys dont leave us hanging? :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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Funny enough , got an email last week saying Fit have brought out a Smoke chrome frame
http://digbmx.mpora.com/news/fit-bike-co-smoke-chrome-colorway/
So Chromers can do it . and black chrome too :smitten:
A guy on Burnerworld called FHMreader used to do a translucent black powder coat for their Night Burner resto's and has done a number of Pro class too .
Not smoke chrome I know but it was a decent looking substitute
Spen's old rememeber , Daz :)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa149/Spen69/IMG_2378.jpg)
But it wasn't any good to do a true replica of the Harry leary colour , because it wasn't dark enough and no tint of blue .
About 4 years ago I asked the same guy to redo my HLT colour ,,,,,he said he'd try and do a translucent black over blue,,,,,it was an expensive mistake :crazy2:
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u24/hunterdubber/Photo07201752-1.jpg)
So I got N2cus on the job , turned out :4_17_5:
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u24/hunterdubber/P1090585.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u24/hunterdubber/P3081282.jpg)
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Wow. Old thread or what!
Mark at Impresive Finishes in Darlington did both my ProClass frames and matched the laquer to a couple of patches left on the original finish. He is a member on here as FHMreader but is hardly on so call him (lost his number so Google him - might be spelt "Imprezive")
He does all the Burner World finishes so is busy but worth waiting for. If you have a look on "me and my bikes" you can see the colour finish on my ProClass's.... Oh, i'm not on about the custom job done on my MiniGoose as Neil N2Cus did that as an experiment and couldn't get the colour right.
If you search under ProClass finish yiu should find my thread from a couple of years ago.
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I know this is an old thread but I use the same powder coater as lee radman. I spoke to him about doing my turbolite, apparently he used various layers of tinted laquer. As it was the ,cost involved meant that my db wasn't worth doing , however if anyone want his details I can pass them on :daumenhoch:
He's in Northampton by the way.
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Great replies - thanks guys. Shows how much the finishing process' have come in the last 5/6 years. Does anyone know if the black chrome PCs were chromed inside the BB shell or tubes etc or how the process worked? I have a tatty PC frame that has no sign of black chrome anywhere so Im thinking it was originally chrome.
Also this PC/HLT smoked chrome thing has been banging on for years and yet has anyone thought to cal in some favours and ask BMX Products or Chip Hess? There seem to be a lot of people on all these OS forums dropping names but surely a quick question to Skip as to where he had the frames done BITD would have sorted this..!?!? Just a thought.
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This is about as near as you can get for the Pro Class
http://www.merridalepolishingandplating.co.uk/nickel.htm
The HLT was a much darker finish that was applied after chroming.....I think :-\
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SBD did my GT last year in powder chrome with transluscent black on top that i imported from Rosie`s in the USA.It has a brown tint (just) which is how the original was like and it is perfect.I will try and get some piccys of the finish.